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with the front hub change the stock brakes will not fit you will have to upgrade to the vette brakes for the hubs to work as for the rear you can use the vette or the S10 rotors and 6000 calipers I wont do a kit as I dont have access to corvair parts I buy mine from ebay and that is hit and miss at times If you get the parts I can have the hubs done for you and the 6000 uprights machined but that would be all I can do you would have to follow the instructions posted here and on my site to get it done

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the fit is so close that only a small amount needs to be removed the first ones I did I removed the extra material with sanding brums and it worked fine
now I going to se if I can reduce the size of the bearing surface to match the fiero bearing shells If so iI will go that rout

When I first saw this on your website I got an S10 bearing to try, but it had a shoulder that prevented it from going into the A-body upright, as well as bolt pattern issues, IIRC. I didn't feel like doing the necessary machining to get it to go together. I don't believe in modifying wear parts like bearing cartridges.
I looked more closely at your website and one of the pictures you had up at the time showed quite clearly about 1/4" gap between the bearing and the upright. I was quite graveled that you called it a bolt together upgrade...
But if you're doing it right now, that's all gravy.

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the first ones I did are still working fine on an old fiero I sold the owner has put over 40,000 miles on the setup with no problems the one I will be doing for the back will have the hub itself remachined to fit new bearings and fitted to a smaller bearing shell If possible if not I will rework the 6000 upright to fit the bearing and install a press in collar around the inner bore which will make it fit better than in a stock S10 upright for the bolts I bolt the bearing housing in from the front and drill out the stock threads and slot the holes .this moves the bolts closer to the housing and retains its strength moving them outward would weaken the housing

this is one of the pics from the site

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I refuse to modify a wear part. I have visions of being stuck in the middle of the desert needing a wheel bearing that requires 2 hours of machine shop time before it can be installed.

I would be willing to modify the upright, however, but I'd rather just start from scratch...

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thats what I do is retrofit the upright to fit the bearing I will see if it is possible to move the holes in the upright to make the bearing a bolt in without slotting the holes
and post my results as uprights are cheep from the bone yard there are plentifull

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I refuse to modify a wear part. I have visions of being stuck in the middle of the desert needing a wheel bearing that requires 2 hours of machine shop time before it can be installed.

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Understandable. But, you could always make a spare and bolt it to the back of the spare tire and take it with you where ever you go. In reality, bears usually give plenty of warning (like wining or growling) before they fail. But, modifying the uprights would be preferred.

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I have owned Fiero's since 1984 and one that I put 190K on and have never had to change a rear wheel bearing but axles yes I'm bad for twisting them

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I have owned Fiero's since 1984 and one that I put 190K on and have never had to change a rear wheel bearing but axles yes I'm bad for twisting them

Sounds like a FUN problem .

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you got that right but it does get expensive axles are not cheep

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While your online, what master cylindar are you using for your brakes? Corvette or K series Blazer?

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corvette as it is desined for 4 wheel disk the blazer one is not as it has a residual pressure valve where as the vette one does not

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well I picked up the parts for the rear hub swap today and have remeasured all the components and it is possible to mount the S10 bearing without changws to the bearing all than needs to be done is rebore the upright to fit the bearing and put a bearing spacer in I have the diagram for the spacer done and once machined I will do the test fit and then post pics of the unit

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here is some of the info needed for the rear hub change

fig. A: you need to rebore the inside diameter from 3.55 to 3.615 to a depth of 1,085 inches
fig. B: the bolts holes need to be moved over .020 inches to bolt the new hub in
as you can see in this diagram the hole are only off a small amout
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as I am using the Vette brakes in the rear I need to remove these ears in yellow for the caliper brackets to be installed

the diagram for the bearing filler is done and will post it separetly

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Clear as a bell

What can I say Bubba, you rock!

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put it together and take a turn sideways!!!

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http://www.fierodriver.com/fiero_images01/extended.jpg

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The El Fiero (not to be confused with the El Camino).

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Bubbajoe,

Do you know from what model year (roughly) you pulled the S10 hub? It seems that the current model and the previous model both used a CV type carrier bearing.

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as I said earlier in the post this car in the pic has over a 20 inch stretch
and is not what I am doing .My stretch was done to acomidate the engine trans axle I am using
as the th 425 will not give you a true mid engine and is auto when I preffer a stick

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83 to 92 are all the same the 92 have a abs ring but is easy to remove but are the same diamention
83 to 89 have no ring so are cheeper to buy

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well I hope to have the uprights back from the machine shop tomorrow and start the rear swap if the weather is good been sick with the flue for the last few days
will post pic's if every thing goes good in the morning

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Thanks alot for the info Bubba.
so...
for the rear of the fiero, user 6000 front hubs(i believe 6000's go to 91 or 92 and olds ciera's go to 1996) and s10 wheel bearings:

83 to 92 are all the same the 92 have a abs ring but is easy to remove but are the same diamention
83 to 89 have no ring so are cheeper to buy

wheel bearings, i am assuming the pickup trucks have them and those are the ones you mean and not the blazer.
Please let me know because I'm going pickin at the yards Monday

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S10 Chevy blazer or truck
S15 GMC Jimmy or Truck
the small 4X4 S series are all the same up to 92

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got the uprights back yesterday with the rebore done and the holes slotted and the bearings fit without being reworked hope to have the spacers done this week and will start removing the old setup for test fitting of the brakes and wheels tomorrow

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Looks great. How is the rest of the body work going?

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nothing but rain for the past week so no body work done but hope for some dry weather so I can install the rear wing and finish the back hatch

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did you test fit the wheels and brakes? is it dry today??? huh huh huh???

i just looked and noticed that this thread is almost at 30000 views!!!

yes that was THIRTY THOUSAND!!!! THATS INSANE!!!!

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will be at it this afternoon and will post pics

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Just incredible. Absolutely incredible.

I'm in awe.

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HI Joe what a job really now not one I would like but can't wait to see it done if anyone should get a prize it's you. Thanks for all the pic on my car hope all will enjoy that was a lot for me, it would be to much with out all your help thanks.

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BubbaJoe, another question. A local 6000 friend said there are 2 different hubs for the 6000, regular and heavyduty, both were available for all model years. Any Idea if both work. They said the regular model used hubs with the 5x100 bolt pattern, while the HD unit used the 5x114.5 or 5x115 bolt pattern. Do you remember which bolt pattern wheel bearing the 6000 was? Thanks

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Heavy duty 5X115 or you will have the stock fiero pieces with the 5X100 light duty

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there on the car still more to do though to go with the 9.5 rim I have to move the strut inward 1/4 inch and will do that with the new struts and coil overs

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Where did you get that little e-brake caliper?

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I buy them here at the local princess auto store they are air hart calipers

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Cool.

I was planning on using those for my rear Grand Am brake swap. Did you have to make a spacer to widen it? How'd you mount it? How did you attach the cable?

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The mount for the caliper they have you must make a mount to bolt it to the upright and the cable is 2000 vette with my own cable clip there are pics
here http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/carcorner/52/id33.htm

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I will admit that when you first started this project, I had doubts about most everything. All I can say now is, SWEET!

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I was just curiouse if you were planning on a larger gas tank or just being the fastest car to the gas station every day. Also is this thing going to be able to pass emmisions testing. When i dropped the v8 in the ford i used to own i had to spend a day at the emmisions shop waiting for them to tell me since the car was a 78 and the engine was a 90, i had to pass 90 emmissions laws.

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where I live the emission laws are out when a car reaches 20 years of age no testing required

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