Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. And a woman who wears provocative cloths is to blame if she gets raped.
The implication here is that one should just never get involved. I suppose you guys would have the same opinion about a neighbor who sees someone suspicious eyeballing your house while you're on vacation?
beat me to it. I guess if these guys had their way we would be to blame if something bad ever happens because we didn't just stay home, or cower in fear in the corner where it's safe.
Really? The history of Black people in North America and the racism they have and do endure.
To clarify I have NO idea if this case was motivated by racism or any type of profiling though I understand how some might be extra sensitive to it.
Ooooooooooooooohhhhhh....that history. Got it. That's great info to have. Many probably don't know this, but I'm actually Scottish. It's good to know that I can now just go around and assault any English people I run into and have it be excused for the centuries of oppression my people endured. Awesome!
Many probably don't know this, but I'm actually Scottish. It's good to know that I can now just go around and assault any English people I run into and have it be excused for the centuries of oppression my people endured. Awesome!
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Ooooooooooooooohhhhhh....that history. Got it. That's great info to have. Many probably don't know this, but I'm actually Scottish. It's good to know that I can now just go around and assault any English people I run into and have it be excused for the centuries of oppression my people endured. Awesome!
Not sure how you arrived there?? Do you find a lot of Scottish English racism going on where you are? Have you say in the last 100 years? Is there a noticable difference between scottish and Irish in say skin colour?
Heh, I was actually assaulted once by a black guy in my own back yard. We were having a confrontation over his annoying dog that barked all day. He sucker-punched me and I had had him arrested. In court his lawyer concluded their lame defense by saying they thought the whole incident was "racially motivated". I could practically see the judge rolling his eyes. When he asked me for my side I concluded my statement by saying that it was possible it was racially motivated...but, "what my being Scottish has to do with it I don't really know". The whole court room howled.
Not sure how you arrived there?? Do you find a lot of Scottish English racism going on where you are? Have you say in the last 100 years? Is there a noticable difference between scottish and Irish in say skin colour?
Oh, so he has to be a certain color before he can claim racism? Is that what you are getting at?
Please, continue with this game, I imagine it's going to end so well.
Not sure how you arrived there?? Do you find a lot of Scottish English racism going on where you are? Have you say in the last 100 years? Is there a noticable difference between scottish and Irish in say skin colour?
Do a little research of the history of the treatment of the Scottish at the hands of the English. I flat guarantee you that the Scottish suffered far greater inhumanities at the hands of the English than any blacks ever did, and for a far greater time period. Funny how so few people know anything about all of that. Or maybe not...
And of course, the Chinese, no one talks about them and how they were treated. Including them, and yet, here they are, living amongst us almost like real people. Funny thing that....
There is a news story, an emotionally charged one. Group 1 is calling for a guy to be killed/put in jail/justice to be served despite there being no real evidence that justice is really needed.
Group 2 is saying we all need to step back and see what the issue really is (because nobody knows), and it's not like the guy in question is going anywhere, there is a record of everything we just need to wait for it to come out.
Then Group 1 starts calling Group 2 racists because we think things could be sorted out without a media circus, or all the name calling, or just jumping to conclusions.
Do a little research of the history of the treatment of the Scottish at the hands of the English. I flat guarantee you that the Scottish suffered far greater inhumanities at the hands of the English than any blacks ever did, and for a far greater time period. Funny how so few people know anything about all of that. Or maybe not...
And of course, the Chinese, no one talks about them and how they were treated. Including them, and yet, here they are, living amongst us almost like real people. Funny thing that....
Ignores the reality of black white racism in my opinion not to mention we are talking about current times and the current dynamic between black and white people in the U.S. specifically. Continue to think whatever you wish though and how the Scottish vs English is comparable. It's kinda cute.
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Because Brad, the race card is so easy to play. It totally plays on the guilty white person complex that so many have been convinced they should possess. So what happens is when that card gets played, those who have that complex will shut up because they don't want to be considered racist, those of us who DON'T carry around that guilt aren't affected by the race card, so then we're considered to be racist by everyone else because we don't have the GUILT.
The good news for some of us is, we have enough self respect, and know ourselves well enough to know we can choose not to carry that guilt, and still not be racist. And that just because some idiot on an internet forum thinks he can win some argument by shutting us up by inferring that we are racist, doesn't make it true
Originally posted by newf: Ignores the reality of black white racism in my opinion not to mention we are talking about current times and the current dynamic between black and white people in the U.S. specifically. Continue to think whatever you wish though and how the Scottish vs English is comparable. It's kinda cute.
Not too sure if you know, Newf, but the US, which you claim is so racist, just elected a black president. Here's a heads up, if there is any racism, it is now going in the other direction. While Obama's office has given the green light to the Black Panther's death threats against Zimmerman, can you imagine the outrage if a white supremacist group called for the killing of a yet to be found guilty black man? The president and all other black rights groups would have a hay day with this.
I get so pissed off when some group says I should excuse their actions and even be made to feel guilty for actions of my distant relatives against their distant relatives. Life goes on, quit dwelling on the past and do what you can to better yourself and get over it. Ironically enough, while I have been made to feel this guilt, I have not once ever done harm or treated a person of color badly, yet on the flipside I have been robbed at gun point by a black kid back when I was university, and also been attacked by natives out to prove their "redness" during their spring gang initiation days. The difference is, no matter how often me as a white person am attacked by the likes of Trayvon Martin, I will never let them win by giving up, declaring I am I victim, and using it as a crutch for the rest of my existence.
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Originally posted by newf: Ignores the reality of black white racism in my opinion not to mention we are talking about current times and the current dynamic between black and white people in the U.S. specifically. Continue to think whatever you wish though and how the Scottish vs English is comparable.
Hahhahahaaaa, how convenient. The Scottish were still fighting for independence during the 70's. How's that for recent? The Emancipation Proclamation was signed in 1863. Just exactly how long is long enough before people start to consider slavery to not be "current"? And frankly, if you want to talk about racism, why not look to the very actions taking place right here and now, this very topic? Do you not think that the actions of some very high profile blacks in this case (and others before this one) is completely inappropriate? Really? Black Panthers basically putting out a contract on Zimmerman? Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton leading protests? Spike Lee obtaining and releasing Zimmerman's address? How do you NOT think that those kinds of things are completely out of line, and do NOTHING to advance the cause of blacks? Are you so naive that you don't think those actions themselve CREATE racism where none existed before?
I'm not ignoring anything. I'm simply stating that blacks aren't the ONLY people to suffer mistreatment by others. Just about every race/culture/religious sect/nationality has at one time or another been mistreated by others. The big difference is, few others wear that mistreatment around like a badge, and use it as an excuse for pulling the kind of stupidity I mentioned above.
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Not so funny that we are back to a black white thing here. Thought this was a black Hispanic thing. (His-panic) see what I did there ?
Well, according to Newf, Zimmerman's skin tone is still contrasting enough to qualify as being white, since apparently, according to him, that's all that matters.
Well, according to Newf, Zimmerman's skin tone is still contrasting enough to qualify as being white, since apparently, according to him, that's all that matters.
Yawn...Not what I said at all, some of you seem to have a need to argue your points by projecting things on others. Have fun with that!
Yawn...Not what I said at all, some of you seem to have a need to argue your points by projecting things on others. Have fun with that!
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Not sure how you arrived there?? Do you find a lot of Scottish English racism going on where you are? Have you say in the last 100 years? Is there a noticable difference between scottish and Irish in say skin colour?
Sorry, did I misunderstand you?
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Obama's a lawyer, he'll probably fill out the paperwork to trademark Trayvon's name for his mom. 'Cause you know, he doesn't have any golf outings planned for today and there's nothing else pressing right now.
Obama's a lawyer, he'll probably fill out the paperwork to trademark Trayvon's name for his mom. 'Cause you know, he doesn't have any golf outings planned for today and there's nothing else pressing right now.
Youre right Obama is a lawyer, though we havent seen any papers from his law review in school (another topic). As a lawyer why would he inject himself in a emotionally charged matter without knowing all the facts, similiar to the black proffessor from Boston when he stated the police dept acted "stupidly" again without knowing the facts or both sides. A beer summit isnt going to calm this situation down.
This all smells just like the Duke Lacrosse case. None of the people who were ready to do "justice" upon the Lacrosse team had anything to say when they were found innocent. (yes, the State Attorney General went on record and declared them "innocent" when he dropped all charges) Not a peep was heard from Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton or the Group of 88. Several people's lives nearly destroyed and certainly derailed based on false accusations.
I don't know if Zimmerman is guilty or not, but at this point I wouldn't be surprised if to read about his death at the hands of the New Black Panthers. So, do the New Black Panthers wear black bedsheets for their lynchings?
So, do the New Black Panthers wear black bedsheets for their lynchings?
Hello, I heard that the panthers have upped their bounty from $10.000.00 to one Million. Dont know if that is true, but where would they get that money from and can someone legally collect it.
I cant imagine what if a white group had a bounty on a black person the outcry over that. Yet as Christians, Catholics and white beauty queens cant say anything that would be politically incorrect, just bear it.
A black person today in this country is better off both economicly and socially than ever before, AS it SHOULD BE. Its just a certain % havent taken advantage of those opportunities, that they have fought for and earned. Shame on the Jacksons and Sharptons who want to profit from further escalating division.
..looks like Trayvon is dirty,,he was caught with burglary tools,& what was though was stolen womens jewlery.he has been suppended from school 3 times people at his school think he is a scumbag theif,young high school blacks are harrasing any one that speaks against Travon. One of the lefty networks(CNBC ?) had many people listen to the tape 100 times trying to prove Zimmerman said coon,,He did not national left wing anchors are quoting zimmerman said coon,completely untrue Many right wing talk show host are going lite on this ,because of the recent limbaugh quack
Then can you elaborate on what you meant? Because from where I'm sitting it really did look as though you were trying to imply that skin color was the major determining factor in racism. As witnessed by not only the comments you made to that end, but also in the way you summarily dismissed the mistreatment of other cultures and nationalities, citing little or no difference in skin color.
The sad thing is it shouldn't matter what someone looks like how they might "pose" for a picture Martin or Zimmerman. NOt sure how it will change the facts of the killing, except maybe the preconceptions some might have.
I can't tell on the bottom left, I did not see it on his facebook, the top left was on his facebook, as were the bottom right, the ones with the gold teeth I posted earlier, and the tattoo pictures of his arm (wherever they went). Some of them were on his sisters Facebook that wasn't initially secured, and therefore easier to find. His facebook was under the name "Slimm" Martin, so it was more difficult to find but someone could easily have messed with it.
His facebook is locked down so I can't find the bottom one, and tinyeye comes back empty. It is right, they don't look like him.
EDIT, the bottom left is the right picture, Martin was standing in the back, in the Hoodie cropped out of the current for some reason.
Brad
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The sad thing is it shouldn't matter what someone looks like how they might "pose" for a picture Martin or Zimmerman. NOt sure how it will change the facts of the killing, except maybe the preconceptions some might have.
I agree with that. But I do think the Media and "civil rights people" purposely and deliberately used younger photos to meet their goal of making it look like this was a little kid.
I'm just curious if some nefarious folks on the other side are also using untrue photos to try to meet their goal of making it look like Trayvon was a gang banger.
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Then can you elaborate on what you meant? Because from where I'm sitting it really did look as though you were trying to imply that skin color was the major determining factor in racism. As witnessed by not only the comments you made to that end, but also in the way you summarily dismissed the mistreatment of other cultures and nationalities, citing little or no difference in skin color.
Dismissed? nope, just don't think it has much to do with the current discussion. Comparing English Scottish racism to the black experience in america is like apples and oranges to me, I'm sure there are some similarities but I don't normally see the two as the same.
I wasn't trying to imply that skin colour was THE major determining factor in racism, there can be many factors, skin colour happens to be a very easy way humans have found to easily pick out and treat others as different.
I think if you read through my comments you would see that I clearly stated I have NO idea if race was a factor in this particular case. It may have been a white boy dressed the same and a white neighbourhood watch captian or an black boy and black captain and the same thing MAY have happened. I think the facts are murky at best. As I said though I DO see a reason for black people in America to be sensitive when it comes to the IDEA of racial profiling more than most other groups in America.
Originally posted by normsf: Hello, I heard that the panthers have upped their bounty from $10.000.00 to one Million. ...
This is my first and probably last comment in this thread. (All the other stuff has been done to death, and will come out, eventually. One way or the other.)
If this thing about the panthers is true (and I'm assuming it is, since it's being widely reported) why aren't they being investigated/watched as a terrorist organization? Where is Homeland Security?
I agree with that. But I do think the Media and "civil rights" groups purposely and deliberately used younger photos to meet their goal of making it look like this was a little kid.
I'm just curious if some nefarious folks on the other side are also using untrue photos to try to meet their goal of making it look like Trayvon was a gang banger.
Agreed as well certain people that have latched on to this case for whatever reason may have an agaenda to show this kid in certain ways, same goes for the shooter. I know we all probably have some pics that we would hope wouldn't be used to show others after our death, as to not be taken the wrong way. The way either person is shown in pics doesn't change whatever happened that night and SHOULDN'T ultimately be used to change anyones opinion but it's human nature.
I agree with that. But I do think the Media and "civil rights" groups purposely and deliberately used younger photos to meet their goal of making it look like this was a little kid.
I'm just curious if some nefarious folks on the other side are also using untrue photos to try to meet their goal of making it look like Trayvon was a gang banger.
I think some are on purpose. I'm a pansy in real life, but I'm sure people could come up with a convincing picture of me as a "thug".
There are a few though that made me stop and think, there were tattoos up both of his arm, I couldn't read them, but it was a 17 year old with tattoos up his arm. Just that alone would set off red flags for instance for a job, or dating someone's daughter. It should set of warnings for many people for many reasons. then there are the pictures of his with Gold teeth. That is certainly him, I originally passed it off as him playing, but then I saw other pictures that looked like he could have gold teeth in them. I know I'm probably "mis-judging", but his Mom was a single mother, and he has enough money at 17 to have at least 4 gold teeth. It doesn't take a genius to start adding things up. It wasn't long after that it came out that he was dealing drugs, and his suspension was for drugs.
Thinking on the pictures.
It wouldn't take too much for someone to tag him in pictures on facebook, and tie them to his account. Especially if he is dead and nobody had his password to dispute them. The account has been changed to a memorial page now though, and nothing can be added, however they also blocked all his pictures, so there is no real way to see. >_<
beat me to it. I guess if these guys had their way we would be to blame if something bad ever happens because we didn't just stay home, or cower in fear in the corner where it's safe.
Awesome!
