Here in CA where I live the call is 911 and you're talking to a real dispatcher and is being recorded. If the call isn't an emergency it's placed on low priority. In LA they have a non-emergency number, but the caller is directed to that particular number if the 911 operator thinks the call isn't an emergency.
Thank you for backing up what we have been telling you the entire time.
This just happened this past wednesday and these 3 teenage punks all live in the same town I do! Back on March 19th there was similiar incident at that same outlet mall and LEO have now confirmed a conection between the 2 incidents.
I will say it this way....Everyone that is saying retard did nothing wrong....If this was your kid that he killed....Would you still be on retards side?
This just happened this past wednesday and these 3 teenage punks all live in the same town I do! Back on March 19th there was similiar incident at that same outlet mall and LEO have now confirmed a conection between the 2 incidents.
For the love of god get it right!!!!! HE WAS NOT ON THE PHONE WITH 911!!!!!!!
Quit twisting things to say whay you "hope/want" them to be.
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Originally posted by nosrac: My point is when someone is attempting to make sence out of a situtation they will draw on from what they seen or heard to make a viable conclusion.
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Originally posted by madcurl:
Here in CA where I live the call is 911 and you're talking to a real dispatcher and is being recorded. If the call isn't an emergency it's placed on low priority. In LA they have a non-emergency number, but the caller is directed to that particular number if the 911 operator thinks the call isn't an emergency.
I will say it this way....Everyone that is saying retard did nothing wrong....If this was your kid that he killed....Would you still be on retards side?
I will say it this way....Everyone that is saying retard did nothing wrong....If this was your kid that he killed....Would you still be on retards side?
I am sure that will be found offensive. Glad to know you would be willing lie for your kid up to and including someone else's death though.
It is just to say that the media and other people are portarying Martin as a helpless teenager but teenagers are far from helpless and are fully capable of committing crimes. I am not saying Martin commited a crime cause, as of yet, I do not know yet if he did or didn't.
Sure they will, if he takes the childish name calling out of it.
As has been said before on this forum, many people find that term to be offensive, I don't but find it very childish. If you want to set up a question that shows exactly where you stand, and your low IQ/ignorance at the same time, that would be it.
For those of you who think that a teenager is incapable of a heinous crime, think again...
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Originally posted by madcurl:
What does that have to do with Martin?
If I were to take an uneducated Guess....Jimmy No offence intended as I am being SARCASTIC....I AM NOT SERIOUS, seriously I AM being sarcastic....
Martin was a Teen and Teen's are capable of heinous crimes....Therefore Martin was up to NO good and asulted Zimmerman (because he was a teen) so he deserved what he got!
That sounds like the non-emergency number to me. 911 is a separate entity and each department announces who you have called.
For instance, call 911 and they say "911 Emergency what is going on. etc. etc. "
The Sheriffs department would be "Such and Such County Sheriff's Department"
And the Police department would be "Such and such town Police department"
Go ahead and call them and check, I'll wait. (Don't call 911 unless it's an emergency please.)
Brad
Dude, at the beginning she says, "Stanford Police department. Rene speaking." It even says it on the link. If Zimmerman was abusing the 911 system they didn't say or have a problem with it. I've read were they file charges if a person is calling for stupid reasons.
I will say it this way....Everyone that is saying retard did nothing wrong....If this was your kid that he killed....Would you still be on retards side?
Originally posted by madcurl: You can answer the question yourself. Would you have did the same things Zimmerman did that night?
We carry all the time so sure I would have asked if someone next door who they were and what they were there for, armed if I didn’t recognize them. Your dam right I would have asked, and if they punched me in the face and repeatedly knocked my head on the ground I would have shot them.
What would you have done? Yelled for help, no one answered his calls for help now did they so he was on his own left to defend himself with whatever means he had.
It is just to say that the media and other people are portarying Martin as a helpless teenager but teenagers are far from helpless and are fully capable of committing crimes. I am not saying Martin commited a crime cause, as of yet, I do not know yet if he did or didn't.
Helpless is correct. A creepy guy with a loaded weapon who was following him. What would you do Jimmy if your Fiero broke down and you were passing through a neighborhood and a creepy guy is following you? I can pretty much say you'd have your finger on the trigger.
We carry all the time so sure I would have asked if someone next door who they were and what they were there for, armed if I didn’t recognize them. Your dam right I would have asked, and if they punched me in the face and repeatedly knocked my head on the ground I would have shot them.
What would you have done? Yelled for help, no one answered his calls for help now did they so he was on his own left to defend himself with whatever means he had.
Steve
What if they answer you in a very mean voice "NONE OF YOU GAWD DAM BUSINESS" and look you up and down like a Fat kid eyeing Cake? then what do you do?
Helpless is correct. A creepy guy with a loaded weapon who was following him. What would you do Jimmy if your Fiero broke down and you were passing through a neighborhood and a creepy guy is following you? I can pretty much say you'd have your finger on the trigger.
Wow, sounds like a bigot right there. I thought it was not oK to be prejudging somebody by the way they look. Wasn't that what all the hoody crap was about?
We carry all the time so sure I would have asked if someone next door who they were and what they were there for, armed if I didn’t recognize them. Your dam right I would have asked, and if they punched me in the face and repeatedly knocked my head on the ground I would have shot them.
Steve
And that is why you'd be needing a lawyer, because you "followed" a unarmed guy when you were told not too. You are now the "aggressor" to which ever body knows all you needed to do is call the police. Please fork over half of your home to defend yourself in court. Expect to pay at least 60-100k for you doing it your way.
Madcurl. I'm not sure if you are drunk, or doing drugs or something man, but you are not making any sense to me at all. Perhaps you are just off your rocker a little, having a bad day or something. I'm not sure.
You say one thing, then the opposite, then back again. It's just not adding up.
And that is why you'd be needing a lawyer, because you "followed" a unarmed guy when you were told not too. You are now the "aggressor" to which ever body knows all you needed to do is call the police. Please fork over half of your home to defend yourself in court. Expect to pay at least 60-100k for you doing it your way.
I will say it this way....Everyone that is saying retard did nothing wrong....If this was your kid that he killed....Would you still be on retards side?
Are you calling Martin or Zimmerman 'retard'? I can't answer the question in its current form.
You're saying that everyone is saying Martin did nothing wrong, what if he killed your son (Zimmerman), then would you still be on Martin's side?
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You're saying that everyone is saying Zimmerman did nothing wrong, what if he killed your son (Martin), then would you still be on Zimmerman's side?
Either way, how can anyone answer that question? We don't know what happened, but of course you're going to be biased towards your sons side, no matter what the real evidence might be. I've seen shows on confessed killers and their parents still haven't accepted that their baby is a killer.
And that is why you'd be needing a lawyer, because you "followed" a unarmed guy when you were told not too. You are now the "aggressor" to which ever body knows all you needed to do is call the police. Please fork over half of your home to defend yourself in court. Expect to pay at least 60-100k for you doing it your way.
I have no words. With respect, please reread this madcurl. You can't be serious.
Helpless is correct. A creepy guy with a loaded weapon who was following him. What would you do Jimmy if your Fiero broke down and you were passing through a neighborhood and a creepy guy is following you? I can pretty much say you'd have your finger on the trigger.
With this statement you are implying that Martin knew that Zimmerman had a loaded weapon. There is no evidence (yet) to show that Martin knew Zimmerman had a loaded weapon or that Zimmerman brandished a firearm prior to the shot. If Zimmerman did by chance brandish a firearm to Martin, I would like to think Martin would have ran away at the first sight of it being that he himself was unarmed. I know that if I am unarmed and someone is following me and has a visible firearm I would run away. But seeing as how I carry myself then there would have been a shootout at the OK Coral.
Now as for you hypothetical scenario... Hypothetical scenerario's just lead to "what if's" and this thread is way to full of what if's as it is.
You keep refering to Zimmerman as a "creepy" guy. What is it that makes him "creepy"? To me, he looks just as normal as you or I.
We carry all the time so sure I would have asked if someone next door who they were and what they were there for, armed if I didn’t recognize them. Your dam right I would have asked, and if they punched me in the face and repeatedly knocked my head on the ground I would have shot them.
What would you have done? Yelled for help, no one answered his calls for help now did they so he was on his own left to defend himself with whatever means he had.
Steve
As far as what we do know at this point ,I am 100% with you. I would do the same.
Are you calling Martin or Zimmerman 'retard'? I can't answer the question in its current form.
You're saying that everyone is saying Martin did nothing wrong, what if he killed your son (Zimmerman), then would you still be on Martin's side?
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You're saying that everyone is saying Zimmerman did nothing wrong, what if he killed your son (Martin), then would you still be on Zimmerman's side?
Either way, how can anyone answer that question? We don't know what happened, but of course you're going to be biased towards your sons side, no matter what the real evidence might be. I've seen shows on confessed killers and their parents still haven't accepted that their baby is a killer.
Recently Chris Collins was found guilty here of Rape and Murder of Rowen Ford. He (still waiting on the court case for the second guy) and perhaps another guy brutally raped, killed, and dumped her body in a sinkhole.
Even after the Guilty verdict his Dad was saying that he was a good kid and didn't deserve to die. Then the Reporter said. "But when such and such killed your brother you stood in front of the court pleading for the death penalty, are you now against the death penalty?" He replied, "I'm against the death penalty for my Son."
Parents are never a good judge of their kids. There are convicted murderers sitting in prison with parents that swear to God that he would never do it, that it's all a mistake.
And that is why you'd be needing a lawyer, because you "followed" a unarmed guy when you were told not too. You are now the "aggressor" to which ever body knows all you needed to do is call the police. Please fork over half of your home to defend yourself in court. Expect to pay at least 60-100k for you doing it your way.
Lets now see if we can teach you another fact instead of you saying what you hope/want to hear... Zimmerman was NOT told to "NOT" follow (as you keep saying). The police dispatcher asked Zimmerman if he was following the person (Martin). Zimmerman said "Yeah" The dispatcher then said to Zimmerman... "WE DON'T NEED YOU TO DO THAT". Zimmermans response was "OK". That response, to me, implies that Zimmerman acknowledged what the dispatcher said and quit following him. Zimmerman then tells the dispatcher that he does not know where he (Martin) was. The call is then ended shortly after. What happened after the call ended up to the shot is pure speculation.
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At 2min's 24 seconds into Zimmermans call, the dispatcher asked if he (Zimmerman) was following him (Martin). At 2min's 25 seconds Zimmerman replied "Yeah". At 2 min's 26 seconds the dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that". At 2 min's 28 seconds Zimmermans says OK. At 3 min's 40 seconds Zimmerman says he doesn't know where the kid (Martin) is. At 4 min's 7 seconds the call is ended.
There is no evidence to say that Zimmerman kept following Martin after the dispatcher said "We don't need you to do that".
All the evidence as I read and hear the phone call supports that Zimmerman "did" stop following martin and that he didn't even know where Martin was at the time the call ended.
How or why the 2 of them ended up in a scuffle is pure speculation at this point.
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Heh, on NBC they just had a story about how Zimmerman was arrested for interfering with an officer 7 years or so ago, and how he was not charged with a felony, and if he had he wouldn't have had a concealed license.
I'm sorry, but.
If the School had called the Police on Martin, and had him charged with whatever laws he broke by having drugs in a school zone he probably would have been in jail, and not shot by Zimmerman.
We can play "what if" all day long, but that gets you nowhere. In the end the school did not have Martin arrested, (I'm assuming because that would have destroyed a teenagers life over what many see as "nothing".) And Zimmerman was not charged with a felony 7 years ago, for whatever reasons. (none of us were at either place.)
The news is just continuing all this crap, causing more issues by stirring up crap. I imagine in a few days (If Zimmerman is still alive) they will have stories about how Zimmerman once got in a fight in grade school.
Originally posted by nosrac: What if they answer you in a very mean voice "NONE OF YOU GAWD DAM BUSINESS" and look you up and down like a Fat kid eyeing Cake? then what do you do?
It is not what if, it is what happened as far as we know in the Zimmerman case at hand, the FACTS we know so far. We know the kid was beating Zimmerman’s head on the pavement, We don’t know what was said, We do know the kid was beating Z’s head on the pavement, from what has been in the news so far. What would you do if someone was pounding your head into the pavement?
I will say it this way....Everyone that is saying retard did nothing wrong....If this was your kid that he killed....Would you still be on retards side?
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Originally posted by madcurl:
They won't answer that question.
If it was my kid that was killed, facts and evidence would be less important to me than retribution for my child's death. I wouldn't be interested in justice, I'd want vengeance. I don't think you'll find many parents who will say about their son being killed, 'Well he was a punk gangsta wanna be thug. I'm surprised nobody popped a cap in hizz azz before now."
Parents defend their children. Evidence or fault has little to do with it. You can look at virtually any juvenile criminal case and there's always a momma talking to the camera about how her baby didn't do it.
Parents defend their children. Evidence or fault has little to do with it. You can look at virtually any juvenile criminal case and there's always a momma talking to the camera about how her baby didn't do it.
So, your talking about what Trevon Martin did or about every one else now? If you're trying to attempt to make a comparison here at least use one where somebody was shot for no other reason than walking through a neighborhood on the cell phone doing nothing.
Once again you're doing nothing more than classic victimizing.
This just happened this past wednesday and these 3 teenage punks all live in the same town I do! Back on March 19th there was similiar incident at that same outlet mall and LEO have now confirmed a conection between the 2 incidents.
I deliver and pick up at several stores in that outlet mall.
We had a 16 year old charged for 5 counts of attempted murder just this week here. Not long ago even younger kids killed a relative ( grandfather i think ) and buried him in the basement.
I agree, just being a 'child' does not mean you aren't a threat. Especially when you are almost an adult, and bigger than the average adult.
Originally posted by 84fiero123: We know the kid was beating Zimmerman’s head on the pavement,
Steve
Bzzzz. Wrong. The smoking gun (Video) demonstrates nothing on Zimmerman's head.
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Originally posted by 84fiero123:
What would you do if someone was pounding your head into the pavement?
Steve
According the EMT nothing. If Martin was ringing blows upon Zimmerman's skull he'd have all types of lacerations, contusion, and/or LOC. The only that can be said is the Zimmerman was a hard head when it comes to listening to instructions.
Originally posted by Formula88: If it was my kid that was killed, facts and evidence would be less important to me than retribution for my child's death. I wouldn't be interested in justice, I'd want vengeance.
Originally posted by madcurl: According the EMT nothing. If Martin was ringing blows upon Zimmerman's skull he'd have all types of lacerations, contusion, and/or LOC. The only that can be said is the Zimmerman was a hard head when it comes to listening to instructions.
Now, I'm not saying it was a smart thing for him to do after calling it in, but "you don't need to do that" isn't an instruction, its a suggestion. "we need you to break off pursuit" would be an instruction.
I doubt that would change much. You're talking about the death of someone's child. They're not going to look at it dispassionately and rationally. I doubt I would either.
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