The video just sets on load for me. Is it working for you ok?
Brad
I didn't work on Firefox for me, but played ok with I.E. It doesn't show much other than Zimmerman being brought in for questioning in handcuffs. There's some discussion about his injuries, but the surveillance video isn't clear enough to tell anything. He was treated by EMTs at the scene (according to the video) so he had been cleaned up some before the police brought him in. The video mentions the lead investigator wanted to charge Zimmerman for manslaughter, but the DA overruled him. In another article I read it said the DA said there wasn't enough evidence to press charges.
I see a lot of calls for "Justice for Trayvon" but I want to see justice for both Trayvon AND Zimmerman. Justice for Trayvon would be letting Zimmerman go *IF* Zimmerman isn't guilty of any crime, but that's not what the protests are about. What they should be chanting is "Retribution for Trayvon." That's what they really mean.
Maybe this link will work for the video. At about :35 the officer removes something from Zimmerman's pocket and quickly puts it into his pocket (not sure what that was about). At about :50 the officer looks at the back of Z's head (to check injury?). As they're walking past the motorcycles maybe there's something on the back of Z's head (maybe). Other than those 3 things, I don't see anything unusual about the tape and Z's physical condition. I don't see any blood anywhere ( maybe he cleaned up? Maybe he left some at the scene?).
[QUOTE] Above is the iconic picture we’ve been become accustomed to seeing everywhere in the media, used to represent the recent Trayvon Martin shooting in Sanford, Florida. From everything the public has been told, Trayvon Martin was a fresh-faced, innocent looking teenager and the visage of the man who shot him, George Zimmerman, is right out of a booking photo.
The media narrative being sold is quite clear, Trayvon Martin is the innocent victim here and George Zimmerman is a horrible bigot who attacked the young man for doing nothing more than buying skittles while being black. Even Barack Obama seems to accept the fresh-faced innocence of Trayvon, stating, “If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon.” More on that later.
It’s becoming more and more clear however that the innocent appearance the mainstream media is so desperate to apply to Trayvon isn’t at all accurate. The picture we’re used to seeing to represent Trayvon Martin appears to be a far cry from how he actually looked once he was a few years older.
Extended School Suspension
There has been a lot of analysis about the character of George Zimmerman in the media, and surprisingly little about Trayvon Martin.
For instance, a few days before he was killed, Trayvon was suspended from school for ten days.
Still, Trayvon had nonviolent behavioral issues in school, and on the day he was killed, he had been suspended for 10 days from Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School in North Miami-Dade. “He was not suspended for something dealing with violence or anything like that. It wasn’t a crime he committed, but he was in an unauthorized area [on school property],” Martin said, declining to offer more details. Before that, Trayvon attended Miami Carol City High School near his mother’s home in Miami Gardens.
There has been very little follow-up in investigating exactly why Trayvon was suspended for such a long period of time for what seems to be the relatively minor offense of “being in an unauthorized area.” In most schools, something like that would be a detention, or one-day, in school suspension at most. Not ten days.
Of course, this is why Trayvon was staying as his Father’s house, so far away from school. And it also explains why George Zimmerman, who by all accounts seemed to stay on top of everything that happened in his neighborhood, didn’t recognize him that evening, Trayvon didn’t really live there, and was only in town because of the suspension.
It seems we may not find out more anytime soon, as a lawyer representing Trayvon’s family has sealed his school records.
Multiple Tattoos
To learn more about Trayvon’s character, we have to look to his friends and family to offer clues. Unfortunately, it seems as if most people who knew him are intent on cleaning up his image, rather than discussing what Trayvon was really like.
Even though Trayvon was only 17, he already was sporting gold teeth, and several large tattoos. This one was on his wrist, apparently of his girlfriend’s mother’s name.
This photo, taken from Tray’s MySpace page, shows another large tattoo that took up most of his upper arm.
Twitter
It seems that Tray was also on Twitter, but his account seems to have been recently deleted by his family or friends.
His screen name was “@NO_LIMIT_NIGGA, as you can see from the twitpic account screenshot above. He was also a member of a twitter hash group #team4dat.
At first, I was skeptical that anyone would maintain an account with that sort of derogatory slur in the title, but after doing some research, it’s apparent that it was Trayvon’s account.
The account was in existence long before the shooting occurred a few weeks ago, and was deleted only recently, there are still dozens of references to @NO_LIMIT_NIGGA in google’s cache.
The associated twitpic account matches the account name and is still online at the time of publication. Most of the pics were uploaded months ago, so this account was associated with Trayvon long before the shooting took place.
Several of Tray’s friends have been very open about referring to Trayvon using that account as well. His cousin, who is quite active on Twitter, refers to Trayvon more than a dozen times using the @NO_LIMIT_NIGGA nickname.
Violence & Gang Activity
There seem to be several allusions to violence on Tray’s Twitter account.
His friends posted supportive messages using it as well, about how happy they were that Trayvon whooped Zimmerman’s ass before he died.
@NO_LIMIT_NIGGA IMA MISS YU TILL I DIE DOG I KNOW YU WHOOPED HIS ASS DOE.. CUZ I PRAY GOD HELP ME AND WATCH YU LOVE YOU CUZZ REST ETERNALLY.
Another post makes reference to Trayvon having “swung on a bus driver” a few days before he died.
Did that have something to do with his ten-day suspension?
On Trayvon’s MySpace page, at least one of his top friends, Romario305, is featured making a gang sign towards the camera in his default profile picture.
Almost all of this is in stark contrast to the media’s central narrative that Trayvon was a normal, happy, well-adjusted teenager.
Instead of that, we are seeing long suspensions from school, tattoos, racially-charged epitaphs, and violence.
Drug Culture
Several of his friends have posted pictures of rolled blunts to twitter in memorial to Trayvon.
There is also fairly direct evidence that Trayvon may have been a small-time drug-dealer.
On Facebook on February 5th, his friend posts on his wall asking to talk business. Trayvon says he doesn’t have a phone available and his friend says, “Damn were u at a nigga needa plant.”
That Facebook url should still work, if anyone is intrepid enough to check it out.
Unless Trayvon was selling Orchids, it seems fairly reasonable to posit that he may have been somewhat well-known among his friends for selling marijuana.
Conclusions
Hopefully this info paints a somewhat different picture of Trayvon than the one the media has been forcing down our throats for the last several weeks.
This is a complex case, and while all the facts are not in yet, we do know that Zimmerman was well within his rights to make verbal contact with someone he didn’t know or recognize in his neighborhood.
In fact, that’s exactly what Neighborhood Watch groups are for, to be the “eyes and ears” of the community. It appears that Zimmerman was very good at this job.
No matter how offended someone might be to have a stranger come up and ask what they are doing there, it doesn’t give anyone a license to commit assault.
From what I can tell, Zimmerman was doing a routine neighborhood watch, called in someone he considered suspicious, and was maintaining a visual on him until the police came.
Then he was attacked, had his nose broken and was in a prone position while crying out for help.
Zimmerman was pinned to the ground, according to a witness, and was still being beaten by someone much younger than him.
Many people are reading a lot into the weight difference between Martin and Zimmerman, but Zimmerman was also 5’9 and out of shape. I’m pretty sure many tubby thirty-year-olds wouldn’t do well against a fit, 6’3, 17-year-old.
This is a textbook self-defense case, and I’d urge anyone reading to look at the full set of facts before drawing conclusions.
I am so tired of this white/black thing, seems he, Zimmerman is neither or maybe both.
On Twitter, there was genuine confusion about Zimmerman's race. Is he Latino or white? Is Hispanic a race, or not? Shouldn't he, a Latino, have known better than to engage in racial profiling? Might he be Jewish, based on his last name? Many said his Hispanic lineage had nothing to do with the fact that the justice system had failed Martin, while some said Zimmerman's identity was very important. "I'm actually happy that George Zimmerman is Hispanic so the usual white people are all guilty by virtue of their skin color stuff won't work," said a March 22 tweet by John Hawkins, who described himself as a professional blogger at Right Wing News. Hispanic people can be black, white, Asian or mixed. Some 18 million Latinos checked the "some other race" category on their 2010 Census forms - which admonished in bold letters that Hispanic is not a race. So many Hispanics identified themselves as white, the overall number of white people in the United States increased. "We sit in this in between place in the United States. In the U.S., when we think about race, it's usually black and white. ... Latinos complicate that dichotomy," said Cynthia Duarte, associate director of research for the Institute of Latino Studies at Notre Dame. On voter registration forms, George Zimmerman identified himself as Hispanic, as did his mother. His father, Robert, listed himself as white on voter registration forms. Zimmerman's mother, Gladys, is originally from Peru. Ethnicities in Peru run the gamut. Descendants of the original people or Amerindians of Peru, those who were under rule of the Inca empire, are the largest ethnic group, followed by those who are a mix of Spanish and Amerindian ancestry, also known as mestizos. Whites are about 15 percent of the population, followed by blacks, Asians and other groups. Class distinctions based on race and language persist in Peru, with whites at the top of the societal hierarchy and indigenous people often at the bottom, a vestige of Spanish colonialism. Kay Hall, a former neighbor of the Zimmermans when they lived in Manassas, Va., said Zimmerman's mother spoke fluent English and Spanish but she's not certain if George Zimmerman or his brother spoke Spanish. She didn't remember Gladys sharing any stories about her life in Peru or seeing the family carrying out any traditional Peruvian cultural activities. "I saw Hispanics, blacks, all kinds of people visiting over there," Hall said. "I don't think they had any kind of racial problems." http://apnews.excite.com/ar...20329/D9TQ49982.html
I did, maybe I missing the point, I was under the impression that anyone could profile or discriminate against anothers race, age ,sex, gender etc, no matter what their own origins are.
Originally posted by newf: I did, maybe I missing the point, I was under the impression that anyone could profile or discriminate against anothers race, age ,sex, gender etc, no matter what their own origins are.
Looks like he had a little bit of everything in him, now doesn’t it?
The police station video has been on all the news shows this morning. The family says it clearly shows Zimmerman is not injured. They fail to mention the police reports all said he had a bloody nose and head. They fail to mention police said he refused to go to the hospital, so EMTs treated him on scene.( why did they want to take him to hospital if there were no obvious injuries). The failed to mention the video was at least 4 hours after the incident. Even I would have cleaned myself up and even changed clothes in 4 hours. At least one witness said one person was on top of the other and was wearing a white shirt. The video clearly shows Zimmerman dont have on a white shirt.
Whats going to clear most of the whole thing up is recordings from video cameras on the property and people have said police took pictures of Zimmermans injuries on the scene.
The failed to mention the video was at least 4 hours after the incident. Even I would have cleaned myself up and even changed clothes in 4 hours. At least one witness said one person was on top of the other and was wearing a white shirt. The video clearly shows Zimmerman dont have on a white shirt.
Police brought Zimmerman directly from the scene to the station to be questioned some more, so he didn't have time to freshen up and change clothes. He is wearing a red jacket that another eye witness described. The police seem to be checking out the back of his head for injuries and his clothing in the video. Martin had on a grey hoodie (and I think a white shirt). Maybe this is what another witness saw.
The funeral director who prepared Trayvon Martin’s body for burial told HLN’s Nancy Grace Wednesday that he did not see any cuts or bruises on the teen’s hands that would have been indicative of a struggle with George Zimmerman.
Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale said there appeared to be a gunshot wound in Martin’s upper chest area, but he received the body after the autopsy was completed so it was difficult to tell whether he had other injuries. He also could not determine the bullet’s entry or exit point.
“As for his hands and knuckles, I didn’t see any evidence he had been fighting anybody,” Kurtz said.
Citing police sources, the Orlando Sentinel reported that Zimmerman told investigators Martin punched him and slammed his head into the ground repeatedly before he fired the shot that killed the unarmed 17-year-old. He claimed he shot Martin in self-defense, and he has not been charged in the case at this point.
While Kurtz is not a forensics expert, the funeral director said he has handled the bodies of many homicide victims in his career. This case in particular affected him as he learned more about what happened to Trayvon Martin and how the case was handled.
“I think the police investigation was the most unprofessional one I've ever seen in my lifetime,” Kurtz said.
One thing I am wondering, if Martin was on top of Zimmerman when he shot him, wouldn't Martin have bled on him and his clothing? I couldn't see any evidence of this in the police station video. Zimmerman's clothes looked practically clean. The autopsy report will be very important as it will shed light as to which side of the body (front or back) the bullet entered and at which distance it was fired from.
One thing I am wondering, if Martin was on top of Zimmerman when he shot him, wouldn't Martin have bled on him and his clothing? I couldn't see any evidence of this in the police station video. Zimmerman's clothes looked practically clean. The autopsy report will be very important as it will shed light as to which side of the body (front or back) the bullet entered and at which distance it was fired from.
A funeral director is not an experiance doctor of forensics. Was treyvon autopsied (sp) ? Gunshots in real life are not like in the movies. Unless treyvon got hit with a .50 bmg. A 9mm penatrates but doesn't cause an explosion of flesh and blood.
In my post: "While Kurtz is not a forensics expert, the funeral director said he has handled the bodies of many homicide victims in his career." One doesn't need to be an expert to notice some things, especially after seeing them many times. I bet he has handled as many bodies as the coroner has supplied to him. He also said: " He also could not determine the bullet’s entry or exit point." I'm thinking it was a through and through hole made by a jacketed round. Martin's clothes should have powder burns on them, on the entry wound side.
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One thing I am wondering, if Martin was on top of Zimmerman when he shot him, wouldn't Martin have bled on him and his clothing? I couldn't see any evidence of this in the police station video. Zimmerman's clothes looked practically clean. The autopsy report will be very important as it will shed light as to which side of the body (front or back) the bullet entered and at which distance it was fired from.
The entry bullet would is small and Martin was wearing a sweatshirt hoodie and I assume at least a t-shirt under that. Clothing will absorb blood before it leaks down. Unlike Holliwood movies, people don't explode like watermellons when hit by a 9mm bullet in the chest.
The eye witness accounts seem to indicate that Zimmerman got out from under Martin immediately after the shot. That gives even less time for the transfer of blood.
Finally, there might have been some transfer of blood but it would be hard to distinguish from Zimmerman's own blood. His bloody nose could easily bleed onto the front of his jacket just as much or more than any transfer from Martin.
Recreating a shooting to determine exactly what happened isn't like watching an episode of CSI. There are multiple cases where perps were shot in the back and it was ruled self-defense. Yes, that's legitimate.
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What a load of crap! I've heard now three different stories from Zimmerman's account of what happen. Which one is it? Walking back to the car, Martin sucker punching him, or making a run to the store while or on watch as a neighborhood watch guy?
Here's something to ponder on. If Martin was beating Zimmerman's head on the concrete why wasn't there any physical evidence of this? If your head is being pounded into the concrete you'd need a emergency CT brain scan and at the very lest diagnostic films otherwise there might be internal bleeding causing death within minutes. If Zimmerman's nose was broken you'd get nasal films (lateral right & left with a Water's view) to determine a possible fracture for nasal bones are some of the easiest bones to break. Any EMT would know this and visually you can tell if the nose is tweaked left or right.
Another point. If the Father is saying that his son was making a errand to the store then why is carrying a loaded weapon? Why didn't Zimmerman notify the 911 police dispatcher of it? Surely, had he done so the 911 wouldn't told him to back off and let LE take over.
Lastly, was Martin committing a crime by walking a neighborhood? NO. According to the 911 tapes, Zimmerman stated that the suspect appeared, "to be on drugs, up to no good or something." I find it strange that a person could determine all of the "facts" regarding somebody walking in the neighborhood. I find it strange that a person can assume that a person is up to no good and then confront the person and then plead, "Stand your Ground" when in fact he was the person that followed and caused the altercation.
Recreating a shooting to determine exactly what happened isn't like watching an episode of CSI. There are multiple cases where perps were shot in the back and it was ruled self-defense. Yes, that's legitimate.
Maybe true in some cases, then the video surfaces and they scream, "It's doesn't show the beginning."
Seriously, we're talking about a guy with a loaded weapon who didn't bother to inform the 911 dispatcher. Now why is that? It's simple. Zimmerman wanted to take charge of the situation because he believe a possible crime was being committed when in fact there wasn't. When things got out of hand (the 911 dispatcher knew this) he now wants to plead the "Stand your Ground" law because if anything should happen Zimmerman knew he had the upper hand because he was carrying a loaded weapon.
Originally posted by madcurl: Another point. If the Father is saying that his son was making a errand to the store then why is carrying a loaded weapon?
Maybe true in some cases, then the video surfaces and they scream, "It's doesn't show the beginning."
Seriously, we're talking about a guy with a loaded weapon who didn't bother to inform the 911 dispatcher. Now why is that? It's simple. Zimmerman wanted to take charge of the situation because he believe a possible crime was being committed when in fact there wasn't. When things got out of hand (the 911 dispatcher knew this) he now wants to plead the "Stand your Ground" law because if anything should happen Zimmerman knew he had the upper hand because he was carrying a loaded weapon.
You make assumptions that aren't based on any reported evidence. There's been more than enough of that already.
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Would you tell the 911 dispatcher you're carrying a loaded gun if you're involved in a possible crime? If anything it might help your situation if things were to get out of hand. No doubt, the 911 dispatcher would seriously inform you to back off if nobody life was in danger.
As was the situation with Zimmerman. Nobody life was in danger, no crime was being committed. Therefore by not stating these facts to the 911 dispatcher Zimmerman could then use any excuse and say he was attacked and then claim self defense. Really it's diabolical for any Floridian can just walk up to you and claim you're doing something wrong and then shot. I assure you that if somebody you don't know is following you and is carrying a weapon the outcome isn't going to turn out good, especially if in the mind of the person following has already made his mind up as too what he "think" your doing.
You make assumptions that aren't based on any reported evidence. There's been more than enough of that already.
There's no assumptions to be made here. You have the 911 tapes. Zimmerman never mention he was carrying a loaded weapon for if Zimmerman had he'd be in bigger trouble. During any crime scene (before or after) a 911 dispatcher always states to the caller, "Is there any weapons involved."
There's no assumptions to be made here. You have the 911 tapes. Zimmerman never mention he was carrying a loaded weapon for if Zimmerman had he'd be in bigger trouble. During any crime scene (before or after) a 911 dispatcher always states to the caller, "Is there any weapons involved."
Did you hear the question asked and his reply?
You're still making assumptions about his intent. "Zimmerman wanted to take charge of the situation " Those are your words. I would like to see justice done, and if Zimmerman is guilty let it be the evidence and facts of the case convict him and not the media hype.
Assuming he isn't lynched before trial, of course. With the publicity this case has received, finding 12 impartial jurors is going to be next to impossible.
What a load of crap! I've heard now three different stories from Zimmerman's account of what happen. Which one is it? Walking back to the car, Martin sucker punching him, or making a run to the store while or on watch as a neighborhood watch guy?
Here's something to ponder on. If Martin was beating Zimmerman's head on the concrete why wasn't there any physical evidence of this? If your head is being pounded into the concrete you'd need a emergency CT brain scan and at the very lest diagnostic films otherwise there might be internal bleeding causing death within minutes. If Zimmerman's nose was broken you'd get nasal films (lateral right & left with a Water's view) to determine a possible fracture for nasal bones are some of the easiest bones to break. Any EMT would know this and visually you can tell if the nose is tweaked left or right.
Another point. If the Father is saying that his son was making a errand to the store then why is carrying a loaded weapon? Why didn't Zimmerman notify the 911 police dispatcher of it? Surely, had he done so the 911 wouldn't told him to back off and let LE take over.
Lastly, was Martin committing a crime by walking a neighborhood? NO. According to the 911 tapes, Zimmerman stated that the suspect appeared, "to be on drugs, up to no good or something." I find it strange that a person could determine all of the "facts" regarding somebody walking in the neighborhood. I find it strange that a person can assume that a person is up to no good and then confront the person and then plead, "Stand your Ground" when in fact he was the person that followed and caused the altercation.
So you want to skew things a bit huh? I had a bet that certain members here would not accept any truth, no matter how small if it meant Zimmerman could be innocent. Keep in mind, you are the one calling for a man to be killed "Justice be served", and I am the one trying to sort through the evidence, and see what makes sense before jumping to a conclusion (which would likely be wrong.) that could cost a man his life.
You have "heard stories" posted by the media, as I said before, I am just trying to get the truth sorted out. I do not think that what the media is pushing down your throat is the truth at all, and it is going to cause a man that very easily could be innocent to be killed. That's not justice unless you are the Black Panthers or the KKK.
Since you were kind enough to be blunt in your response, here is my counter response.
Your "lack of medical evidence" theory is total crap, your just throwing things against the wall to see what stick. Your basically saying "I won't believe it unless he went to MY DOCTOR." Medical records are private in any case, and not something that is released. To top it off, if he released them today you would claim they were doctored in some way.
I was hit in the head by a 1/4 inch thick plate steel shot from a 300 ton press. The doctor said if it had hit me anywhere else on my body (even a quarter inch lower) that it would have killed me. I didn't get a cat scan initially because I didn't even know what could happen from what looked like a little injury. And even I will not discuss most of my medical problems, or post scans from my head on here, I don't even do that with most of my family. I have nothing to hide, and it would possibly make people understand me better, but it's private for a reason, posting detailed information about your health is used against you later.
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Another point. If the Father is saying that his son was making a errand to the store then why is carrying a loaded weapon? Why didn't Zimmerman notify the 911 police dispatcher of it? Surely, had he done so the 911 wouldn't told him to back off and let LE take over.
Oh, please elaborate on this, I haven't had a good laugh today.
I have a theory of how you think this would work in my head: D: Bla bla bla Police, how can I help you? Z: There is a guy acting strange and in a place where he doesn't belong, I have a gun. D: Well what are you waiting for take care of this. I don't know why you called us. [click]
I think if he had a C&C and wasn't carrying a loaded gun he would be the stupidest man on earth. Asking why he would have a loaded gun when going to the store is just you throwing out talking points.
How about this theory, He had a loaded gun because there are people around that will attack and try to kill you without cause, luckily he was able to kill that person first.
According to the video I posted Martin was not "walking through the neighborhood" he was away from the sidewalk on the private property at the back door of the closed club house. That doesn't mesh with what you are saying at all. This doesn't make either story a fact, but I'll be honest I do find Zimmerman's story more believable.
If I saw a person wandering behind the a public building here I would call the police too, and you know you would as well so get over yourself.
Here is what is going to happen, no matter what is posted, said, or comes about, it is not going to be "relevant" or "how it happened according to Bubba Joe Smith that lives four blocks from there" or any other excuse you can come up with. As you see it right now Zimmerman murdered Martin in Cold blood, and anything said that does not make Martin look like a Girl Scout walking back from church on Sunday is just BS.
You are not open to anything else, therefore this is not a discussion and you are wasting everybody's time.
As was the situation with Zimmerman. Nobody life was in danger, no crime was being committed. Therefore by not stating these facts to the 911 dispatcher Zimmerman could then use any excuse and say he was attacked and then claim self defense. Really it's diabolical for any Floridian can just walk up to you and claim you're doing something wrong and then shot.
Now you are just spouting some fantasy you made up while drunk or something.
There's no assumptions to be made here. You have the 911 tapes. Zimmerman never mention he was carrying a loaded weapon for if Zimmerman had he'd be in bigger trouble. During any crime scene (before or after) a 911 dispatcher always states to the caller, "Is there any weapons involved."
As a person that has called 911 many times in my life, probably 30 all together, I have never been asked if there was any weapons involved. lol
Now one time in New Orleans I called 911 during a gunfight that started almost literally inside my cab, and I think it was evident then that weapons were involved and she may have skipped that question because of that.
I have been asked to describe what people have, never what I have, or what people look like etc.
You're still making assumptions about his intent. "Zimmerman wanted to take charge of the situation " Those are your words. I would like to see justice done, and if Zimmerman is guilty let it be the evidence and facts of the case convict him and not the media hype.
Assuming he isn't lynched before trial, of course. With the publicity this case has received, finding 12 impartial jurors is going to be next to impossible.
Did he or did he not follow Martin?
Did he or did he not assumed Martin was on "Drugs or up to something?
Did he or did he not inform the 911 officer he was carrying a loaded weapon?
These three question are the facts here. Martin was guilty from the "get-go" by Zimmerman's own words. Zimmerman, followed a guy with a loaded weapon and Martin hadn't committed any crime.
Here's something to ponder over. Who in there right mind follows a person whose hands are inside their hoodie? The first thing that a LEO would tell a suspect is to remove their hands (slowly) from out of their pockets. I can assure you the LEO has his finger on his service gun-ready to shot. Since Zimmerman isn't a LEO how did he respond to the situation, because Martin has no idea who the person that is following.
The part of the nose that gives shape and protrudes from the scull is cartilage not bone.
I have had a number of head traumas (stop snickering) caused by falling objects, bike accidence, and kick boxing. NOT ONE TIME was I given a CT scan.
I don’t think the racists are going to let this go no matter what. I heard an interview with one of Zimmerman's friends yesterday that gave a pretty good picture of Zimmerman, very different than what the media and the racists are trying to portray. If a could remember his name I would look for a recording for you. Maybe somebody else heard it?
The part of the nose that gives shape and protrudes from the scull is cartilage not bone.
I have had a number of head traumas (stop snickering) caused by falling objects, bike accidence, and kick boxing. NOT ONE TIME was I given a CT scan.
I don’t think the racists are going to let this go no matter what. I heard an interview with one of Zimmerman's friends yesterday that gave a pretty good picture of Zimmerman, very different than what the media and the racists are trying to portray. If a could remember his name I would look for a recording for you. Maybe somebody else heard it?
This one? Joe Oliver?
Brad
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You're still making assumptions about his intent. "Zimmerman wanted to take charge of the situation " Those are your words.
Didn't Zimmerman ignored the 911 dispatcher?
Didn't Zimmerman pursue Martin?
Didn't Zimmerman carried a concealed weapon and didn't tell the 911 dispatcher?
Sounds like a person taking "charge" of the situation to me. Any other person would've call the police and let them take it from there. The only other way to spin this incident is to say,
1. A crime was being committed.
2. A life was in danger.
Martin had a bag a Skittles, sports drink, and talking on his cell with his girl friend while walking through a neighborhood. If that's all it takes to follow somebody with a loaded weapon and them claim self defense-then I think you're going to have more killings where somebody is walking in their area and thinks somebody is up to no good. LOL.
Originally posted by madcurl: Sounds like a person taking "charge" of the situation to me. Any other person would've call the police and let them take it from there. The only other way to spin this incident is to say,
So now you are saying he didn't call the Police?
I'm gonna go ahead and ignore the rest of your bias though.
Is it working for you ok? 
Oh, please elaborate on this, I haven't had a good laugh today. 
That doesn't mesh with what you are saying at all. This doesn't make either story a fact, but I'll be honest I do find Zimmerman's story more believable. 
