The part of the nose that gives shape and protrudes from the scull is cartilage not bone.
I have had a number of head traumas (stop snickering) caused by falling objects, bike accidence, and kick boxing. NOT ONE TIME was I given a CT scan.
I don’t think the racists are going to let this go no matter what. I heard an interview with one of Zimmerman's friends yesterday that gave a pretty good picture of Zimmerman, very different than what the media and the racists are trying to portray. If a could remember his name I would look for a recording for you. Maybe somebody else heard it?
Dude, trust me I know. It's cartilage in early years but forms into bone. It is clearly seen on diagnostic films and CT brain scans just like a lot of other bones in the body. My point is that the nasal bone is easily broken during fights. However, back to the case.
Zimmerman claims his head was being banged into the concrete and no xrays were taken? I find that very hard to believe if Martin was positioned over Zimmerman while slamming his head into the concrete than not only there wasn't a broken nose, but a CT brain scan wasn't performed. The CT scan wouldn't shown bleeding in the brain and covered all facial bones-including the nasal bones. We're taking about a life or death fight if you believe Zimmerman.
Also, if a fight developed Martin should have clear signs of scarring and bruising on his hands. If the police department took any pictures of the victim it should show this. Skin samples from Martin's finger nail would also show something.
No visible signs of a broken, bloody nose and head wound that he claimed he sustained from being punched by Martin and having his head slammed into the sidewalk during their scuffle.
You know something that is getting very annoying about this thread, we don’t know if you are black or white. Me I’m white and red, what about all of those that are taking the kids side? You know why I ask? Because every black person I have heard post or talk on this thread except Doni and the guy in the video just posted have said it was the white guys fault. First of all he isn’t white; he is mixed just like most of the people in this country. So that right there sounds racist to me, not white against black but the opposite. The black don’t care one way or the other the white man killed a black kid, string him up. Think whatever you want the truth will come out in court but not in this forum and not in the media. There have been death threats from blacks, the New Black Panthers and others. This guy is in fear for his life because of what he did or had to do to save his life. Have you ever had your head pounded into the concrete? I have a confrontation with a guy who thought I had been messing around with his girlfriend, girlfriend not wife. Did I go for a cat scan? NO.
He attacked me.
What is going on is a racial war brought on by blacks because what they think is a white man, he is not shot a black man who was repeatedly pounding his head into the concrete.
No visible signs of a broken, bloody nose and head wound that he claimed he sustained from being punched by Martin and having his head slammed into the sidewalk during their scuffle.
Dude, trust me I know. It's cartilage in early years but forms into bone. It is clearly seen on diagnostic films and CT brain scans just like a lot of other bones in the body. My point is that the nasal bone is easily broken during fights. However, back to the case.
Zimmerman claims his head was being banged into the concrete and no xrays were taken? I find that very hard to believe if Martin was positioned over Zimmerman while slamming his head into the concrete than not only there wasn't a broken nose, but a CT brain scan wasn't performed. The CT scan wouldn't shown bleeding in the brain and covered all facial bones-including the nasal bones. We're taking about a life or death fight if you believe Zimmerman.
Also, if a fight developed Martin should have clear signs of scarring and bruising on his hands. If the police department took any pictures of the victim it should show this. Skin samples from Martin's finger nail would also show something.
I have been in fights and not bruised my hands, I have also bruised my hands though. I'm not a CSI guy, but since you have seen the autopsy, and are an expert in this area. How long would it take to show bruising after death from trauma to knuckles?
I love the "facts" you are creating. Nothing like muddying the waters to bury the truth huh.
Because every black person I have heard post or talk on this thread except Doni and the guy in the video just posted have said it was the white guys fault. What is going on is a racial war brought on by blacks because what they think is a white man, he is not shot a black man who was repeatedly pounding his head into the concrete.
Martin had a bag a Skittles, sports drink, and talking on his cell with his girl friend while walking through a neighborhood. If that's all it takes to follow somebody with a loaded weapon and them claim self defense-then I think you're going to have more killings where somebody is walking in their area and thinks somebody is up to no good. LOL.
When was the last time you strolled (walked by yourself) through Crenshaw or better yet East LA....ese at let say 2:30 AM?
Do you have a fact or something I missed, glossed over or something? I'm very open to changing my mind here.
Just keep in mind that I'm trying to point out that nobody knows exactly what happened here during certain parts of the story, yet despite not knowing, a group of people have told us what Zimmerman was thinking, how racist he was, how he was "looking to kill" etc. Then they call for Zimmerman's death. DEATH! Tell me where I am misjudging here, please.
Brad
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Do you have a fact or something I missed, glossed over or something? I'm very open to changing my mind here.
Just keep in mind that I'm trying to point out that nobody knows exactly what happened here during certain parts of the story, yet despite not knowing, a group of people have told us what Zimmerman was thinking, how racist he was, how he was "looking to kill" etc. Then they call for Zimmerman's death. DEATH! Tell me where I am misjudging here, please.
Brad
No, you are ok. We ALL are expressing our opinions and I love your quote as it applies to us ALL depending on the subject at hand. Can I keep it and use it for my OT sig?
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Originally posted by twofatguys:
I had a bet that certain members here would not accept any truth, no matter how small
Brad
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Was something i said wrong? or just to true to be talked about?
steve
Opinions can't be wrong but please use IMO or IMHO so we won't confuse your statements as ACTUAL facts. I'm glad you shared, really. I think you are DEAD wrong but that is my opinion.
My was meaning that your posting are NOT the Facts but rather your Feelings and that is sad to me... BTW sterotyping is just plain Wrong...IMO.
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Originally posted by twofatguys:
I had a bet that certain members here would not accept any truth, no matter how small
Was something i said wrong? or just to true to be talked about?
steve
I think the part you missed is where we are supposed to be racists for not calling for the death of Zimmerman because he killed a Black Man despite him being Hispanic and therefore the same group that we as white people are supposed to hate more than anyone*.
*Taken as fact from threads where I openly opposed illegal immigration.
The way I'm reading all this if I was a part of that group (racists) I would be cheering about a black guy getting killed, and egging on the killing of a Hispanic guy. It would be one of those "two birds with one stone" things.
Does anyone see anyone on here doing that? I'm being serious here, stop and think it through, I am not attacking anyone right now. I am asking you the reader to step back and ask yourself the real reason for what you believe happened.
No, you are ok. We ALL are expressing our opinions and I love your quote as it applies to us ALL depending on the subject at hand. Can I keep it and use it for my OT sig?
You are welcome to, but I am willing to bet I spit out more "gems" by the end of it. I can think clearly, and logically, but typing it out for me is like translating it through several languages on Google translate and then posting it for some reason.
Sometimes I think blue, see blue, type indigo, not even notice until I see a quote later where John was talking about red, and I missed the point completely.
Originally posted by nosrac: Opinions can't be wrong but please use IMO or IMHO so we won't confuse your statements as ACTUAL facts. I'm glad you shared, really. I think you are DEAD wrong but that is my opinion.
My was meaning that your posting are NOT the Facts but rather your Feelings and that is sad to me... BTW sterotyping is just plain Wrong...IMO.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by twofatguys:
I had a bet that certain members here would not accept any truth, no matter how small
Brad
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So now opinions are not allowed? I think many people’s opinions on here and in life are affected by the color of their skin. Especially in this thread. If you can’t believe what is a fact, that the white guy was treated by the EMT’s before he went to the police station and only believe that he was not hurt because there are no visible injures in the crappy police video.
Besides did anyone read about the black kid walking his dog who saw everything happen including the attack by the black kid on the white guy?
So now opinions are not allowed? I think many people’s opinions on here and in life are affected by the color of their skin. Especially in this thread. If you can’t believe what is a fact, that the white guy was treated by the EMT’s before he went to the police station and only believe that he was not hurt because there are no visible injures in the crappy police video.
Besides did anyone read about the black kid walking his dog who saw everything happen including the attack by the black kid on the white guy?
Or is that a figment of my opinion as well.
Steve
Shhhhhh, Don't be spilling my bag of video's to post later.
He did say that your opinon was welcome, but to put that it was opinion.
I think the part you missed is where we are supposed to be racists for not calling for the death of Zimmerman because he killed a Black Man despite him being Hispanic and therefore the same group that we as white people are supposed to hate more than anyone*.
*Taken as fact from threads where I openly opposed illegal immigration.
The way I'm reading all this if I was a part of that group (racists) I would be cheering about a black guy getting killed, and egging on the killing of a Hispanic guy. It would be one of those "two birds with one stone" things.
Does anyone see anyone on here doing that? I'm being serious here, stop and think it through, I am not attacking anyone right now. I am asking you the reader to step back and ask yourself the real reason for what you believe happened.
Brad
People tend to take the side they can relate to.
I'm sure you can't relate to just walking from local 7-11 to your parents house and get profiled as a criminal up to no good on drugs and possibly get shot. A lot of minority ppl can and have personally experienced it.
It is wrong to play the race card but it is effective so it is used, even though IT IS ABSOUTELY NOT TRUE 75% of the time. 25% of the time it is a Factor, as this is America, IMO. People play to win and not necessarly fairly.
To be honest Justin Beiber in a gray Hoodie and saging skinny jeans behind me at the BOA teller machine @ 12:00AM is NOT really scary, If that was lil Wayne then I'd be a bit nervous.
Also, after getting on a plane with a guy with a full beard, red Turbin sporting a leather briefcase I can better understand how the media has made certain people "scary" and cause an unnatural fear and negative mental profile.
So now opinions are not allowed? I think many people’s opinions on here and in life are affected by the color of their skin. Especially in this thread. If you can’t believe what is a fact, that the white guy was treated by the EMT’s before he went to the police station and only believe that he was not hurt because there are no visible injures in the crappy police video.
Besides did anyone read about the black kid walking his dog who saw everything happen including the attack by the black kid on the white guy?
Or is that a figment of my opinion as well.
Steve
We all are stating our opinions and there is NOTHING wrong with that. If you take out the race baiting and your feelings on the subject then your post won't distract from REAL issue. Unless your point is add fuel to the fire. Pretend it was a White guy that shot a White kid looking like justin Beiber in a hoodie. Just because Zimmerman said it dosen't make it fact. Hell, would you LIE in his situtation? Zimmerman said the kid attack him. Why do you beleive that? I'm sure zimmerman wouldn't say "I started the altercation and Martin started beating my azz and in the heat of the moment I shot him"
If Trayvon was still alive would he have the exact story to tell?
I'm sure you can't relate to just walking from local 7-11 to your parents house and get profiled as a criminal up to no good on drugs and possibly get shot. A lot of minority ppl can and have personally experienced it.
Ahh, but I can.
I'm the guy that was arrested when I was waiting for my Pizza to get done. I was arrested once when I turned in my Sister-In-Law for reckless driving etc. and I was accused of being a violent Ex, and a drug dealer. I was promptly hauled to jail.
Growing up I lived in North O, Omaha Nebraska. My Grandma and Grandpa wouldn't sell when the Government was buying property to build projects. I was mugged twice, told to move etc. I learned how to not wear nice looking clothes, or look anyone in the eye. I went to school with a Police Officer in each room, and walked home past bullet casings.
I owned and drove a Taxi in New Orleans pre-Katrina. The company I worked through was the only one that would go into the 9th ward at night, and I was there almost all night every night. I've been shot at, and people have attempted to rob me. I've been called about every name in the world just for the color of my skin. I've literally had a gun fight start in the back seat of my car, and had my wife think I was dead as I was calling for Police as shooting started and I went quiet waiting to see if I was going to live or not.
I've even lived on the streets, and waited in line for a cot to sleep on at night. and stood in line for food.
I'm just guessing here, but I'd say I've had it rougher than most of the people here that claim they have had it rough because of their race. Granted much of it is because of choices I made, or my family made, and it is just an opinion as I know nothing of what others have went through.
Besides did anyone read about the black kid walking his dog who saw everything happen including the attack by the black kid on the white guy?
Or is that a figment of my opinion as well.
Steve
Yes, but when did Zimmerman shoot? If it was when Martin allegedly was on topof him beating his azz then how come he dosen't have any blood on him? And how did Zimmerman get to the position of straddling Martin's dead body face down when he was suposedly on his back shooting? I NEED a trial so I can see a TIMELINE and FACTS mixed with reasonable assumptions. Everything else is interesting conversation and personal opinions.
I don't know if he is guilty or innocent of MURDER but this incident could have been prevented if he did his job as a crimeWATCH captain correctly (Watch and Report). Zimmerman saw a young black male in his neighborhood and asumed he was up to no good and that is called....wait for it....... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_profiling
I'm the guy that was arrested when I was waiting for my Pizza to get done. I was arrested once when I turned in my Sister-In-Law for reckless driving etc. and I was accused of being a violent Ex, and a drug dealer. I was promptly hauled to jail.
Growing up I lived in North O, Omaha Nebraska. My Grandma and Grandpa wouldn't sell when the Government was buying property to build projects. I was mugged twice, told to move etc. I learned how to not wear nice looking clothes, or look anyone in the eye. I went to school with a Police Officer in each room, and walked home past bullet casings.
I owned and drove a Taxi in New Orleans pre-Katrina. The company I worked through was the only one that would go into the 9th ward at night, and I was there almost all night every night. I've been shot at, and people have attempted to rob me. I've been called about every name in the world just for the color of my skin. I've literally had a gun fight start in the back seat of my car, and had my wife think I was dead as I was calling for Police as shooting started and I went quiet waiting to see if I was going to live or not.
I've even lived on the streets, and waited in line for a cot to sleep on at night. and stood in line for food.
I'm just guessing here, but I'd say I've had it rougher than most of the people here that claim they have had it rough because of their race. Granted much of it is because of choices I made, or my family made, and it is just an opinion as I know nothing of what others have went through.
Brad
You got most of us beat by a long shot. Soooo, I'm kinda confused on your position? I will be swayed by the facts and NOT by how effective the media can be with this racist...bandwagon white vs black circus. Race is a hot trigger to most of us and the media know it so they push the button and we go all crazy. I am NOT emotionally tied to this case as type of stuff happens all the time. But it DOES open peoples eyes that racial problems are alive and well in America.
Originally posted by nosrac: Yes, but when did Zimmerman shoot? If it was when Martin allegedly was on topof him beating his azz then how come he dosen't have any blood on him? And how did Zimmerman get to the position of straddling Martin's dead body face down when he was suposedly on his back shooting? I NEED a trial so I can see a TIMELINE and FACTS mixed with reasonable assumptions. Everything else is interesting conversation and personal opinions.
I don't know if he is guilty or innocent of MURDER but this incident could have been prevented if he did his job as a crimeWATCH captain correctly (Watch and Report). Zimmerman saw a young black male in his neighborhood and asumed he was up to no good and that is called....wait for it....... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_profiling
That has been explained before it ain’t like in the movies. I buried a utility knife in my arm one time at work and didn’t even feel it, new blade.
The girl next to me who saw it happen turned white as a ghost, I looked down at my arm and saw no blood just muscle and the bone. It took 36 stitches to close it up, 18 inside and 18 outside. There was no blood until I started to wrap a tourniquet around my upper arm. They guy was shot it ain’t like in the movies blood doesn’t just gush out as soon as the hole is made. The man shot him and he pushed him off as soon as he did, there would have been no blood at that point. Have you ever seen anyone shot in real life? I had, a friend in front of a bar and he didn’t start bleeding until he hit the sidewalk, he was standing in front of the bar and someone drove by and shot him.
Yes, but when did Zimmerman shoot? If it was when Martin allegedly was on topof him beating his azz then how come he dosen't have any blood on him? And how did Zimmerman get to the position of straddling Martin's dead body face down when he was suposedly on his back shooting? I NEED a trial so I can see a TIMELINE and FACTS mixed with reasonable assumptions. Everything else is interesting conversation and personal opinions.
I don't know if he is guilty or innocent of MURDER but this incident could have been prevented if he did his job as a crimeWATCH captain correctly (Watch and Report). Zimmerman saw a young black male in his neighborhood and asumed he was up to no good and that is called....wait for it....... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_profiling
I'm still thinking Zimmerman over Martin's body was him seeing if there was a pulse etc, checking to see if there was anything he could do.
It's once again an opinion, but it's based on my opinion that Zimmerman is not a cold blooded killer like people are saying. It does say a lot about the neighborhood that people didn't come running to see if they could help.
(About the last sentence) The other day (Saint Patrick's day) someone shot off three rounds right by our house in the middle of the night. Within minutes three neighbors were outside, Police had been called/notified, and people were walking up and down the streets looking for the shooter who was likely drunk, and we know had a gun that had only fired three shots. We were worried someone had been shot, or was hurt, and not worried about getting shot ourselves. Did nobody around there attempt anything, or did they wait for the Police to arrive. I ask because it says a lot about the violence levels in the neighborhood before this happened.
That has been explained before it ain’t like in the movies.
That's just the thing...People can ONLY relate to what they think they know. And If the only exposure to the subject is the movies then that becomes a persons reality. Whenever I see a real car wreck I think it is gona blow up? Rationally, I know it probably won't happen but in the back of my mind it is there... Shes gona Blow.
Now take the Average person and change the subject to a gunshot they would think it will hyappen like the movies.... because thats all they know.
Dexter the blood splatter expert comes to mind. Curse you Showtime.
Thing is people who have seen people shot have tried to explain this to you but you won’t believe them. You believe what you have seen in the movies, that is the movies. Up until the late 80’s movies had very little blood in them, how many movies from back then do you remember seeing blood? So back then you would have thought you didn’t bleed when you got shot, it is all about what reality you think is real.
That's just the thing...People can ONLY relate to what they think they know. And If the only exposure to the subject is the movies then that becomes a persons reality.
Witnesses testified that Tyson told them he saw two "crackers" -- a derogatory term for white people -- walking through the neighborhood and that he intended to rob them. The tourists said they didn't have any money and begged Tyson to let them go home. The men also told Tyson they were lost.
"Since you ain't got no money, then I have something for your ass," Tyson recounted to a witness, then added that he shot the men several times.
Here is CLEAR and OBVIOUS racism, and no one gives a **** .
Do you always believe what people tell you if you haven't experienced yourself? It made sence to me that if someone was on top of me and I shot them point blank range then I would have their blood on me. I haven't seen a real person get shot and hope I never do either so I have to make a logical ASSUMPTION. My point is when someone is attempting to make sence out of a situtation they will draw on from what they seen or heard to make a viable conclusion.
So WHO told you these FACTS OPINIONS???
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Originally posted by 84fiero123:
Because every black person I have heard post or talk on this thread except Doni and the guy in the video just posted have said it was the white guys fault. The black don’t care one way or the other the white man killed a black kid, string him up. What is going on is a racial war brought on by blacks because what they think is a white man, he is not shot a black man who was repeatedly pounding his head into the concrete.
Steve
These statement are sad to me because 1) they are NOT true 2) you actually feel like that 3) chose a particular side (based on race...IMO) 4) have a poor opinion of Blacks in General except Doni and the Guy in the video. (Doni dosent count..He's half White too. And the Guy in the Video is Zimmermans friend and probably half white too...LOL) 5) are sterotyping
I am Glad you shared but as a Nation we have much work to do. However, I don't blame you for feeling like, it is just sad.
I think that this is not a black couple. Only blacks can play the race card and do anytime they think they will profit from it. The kid who killed those 2 are the same age as the kid who got killed in this thread. Sorry if that sounds racist but I am tired that only black people use the race card, god forbid an American Indian does or a white man.
This (conviction of murderer) is just the tail end of a news story that was at or near the top of the news when the story first broke--that's my take.
Yeah? I lived in Florida during the time that happened, and I've never heard of this case before in my life... and probably neither has anyone else on this message board. As apposed to everyone on here who has heard of Trayvon Martin.
Do you always believe what people tell you if you haven't experienced yourself? It made sence to me that if someone was on top of me and I shot them point blank range then I would have their blood on me. I haven't seen a real person get shot and hope I never do either so I have to make a logical ASSUMPTION. My point is when someone is attempting to make sence out of a situtation they will draw on from what they seen or heard to make a viable conclusion.
So WHO told you these FACTS OPINIONS???
These statement are sad to me because 1) they are NOT true 2) you actually feel like that 3) chose a particular side (based on race...IMO) 4) have a poor opinion of Blacks in General except Doni and the Guy in the video. (Doni dosent count..He's half White too. And the Guy in the Video is Zimmermans friend and probably half white too...LOL) 5) are sterotyping
I am Glad you shared but as a Nation we have much work to do. However, I don't blame you for feeling like, it is just sad.
Did you see the post where I said that I have a black godson? How prejudice do I look now?
Steve
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Another point. If the Father is saying that his son was making a errand to the store then why is carrying a loaded weapon? Why didn't Zimmerman notify the 911 police dispatcher of it? Surely, had he done so the 911 wouldn't told him to back off and let LE take over.
Curly,
You know I consider you and friend and I believe you know me pretty well but your comment kinds pisses me off a bit. I carry a concealed firearm everywhere I go. I even carry it when I walk outside to check my mail. Does this make me a racist who is out looking to kill someone? As to why he didn't notify the police dispatcher (he did NOT call 911) that he had a weapon, he is not required to and at the time there was no need to.
The other thing that is pissing me off is everyone keeps saying he (Zimmerman) is white. If he is considered white then history is wrong and we have not elected a black president. Obama is half black and half white. Zimmerman is half black and half latino. So if Zimmerman is white then so is Obama.
You know I consider you and friend and I believe you know me pretty well but your comment kinds pisses me off a bit. I carry a concealed firearm everywhere I go. I even carry it when I walk outside to check my mail. Does this make me a racist who is out looking to kill someone? As to why he didn't notify the police dispatcher (he did NOT call 911) that he had a weapon, he is not required to and at the time there was no need to.
The other thing that is pissing me off is everyone keeps saying he (Zimmerman) is white. If he is considered white then history is wrong and we have not elected a black president. Obama is half black and half white. Zimmerman is half black and half latino. So if Zimmerman is white then so is Obama.
People who don't live in Florida, don't understand how free Florida is with the law. The rest of the United States has an image of guns that is so outlandish that they act like you're carrying around a live grenade with the pin taken out, or a spent nuclear fuel rod.
I've lived in South Florida for 17 years, and I know how common it is to see people wearing a gun on their belt and not being law enforcement, or anything else. It's not something we really care about or take notice of.
People in other states except perhaps Virginia and Texas, just automatically assume that if you have a gun... the **** is about to go down.
Florida is the only state in the union (that I'm aware of) that accepts all other state's conceal carry permit.
EDIT: I don't know if this is changed, but last time I remember actually taking notice of it... they were selling shot-guns in Walmart in Florida. I don't own a gun myself, nor have I ever, so it's not something I normally think about.
Todd
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: People who don't live in Florida, don't understand how free Florida is with the law. The rest of the United States has an image of guns that is so outlandish that they act like you're carrying around a live grenade with the pin taken out, or a spent nuclear fuel rod.
I've lived in South Florida for 17 years, and I know how common it is to see people wearing a gun on their belt and not being law enforcement, or anything else. It's not something we really care about or take notice of.
People in other states except perhaps Virginia and Texas, just automatically assume that if you have a gun... the **** is about to go down.
Florida is the only state in the union (that I'm aware of) that accepts all other state's conceal carry permit. Todd
Maine residents are allowed open carry without any type of permit you just have to be 21 and a resident of the state of Maine. I have to wonder how that makes us look.
Do you always believe what people tell you if you haven't experienced yourself? It made sence to me that if someone was on top of me and I shot them point blank range then I would have their blood on me. I haven't seen a real person get shot and hope I never do either so I have to make a logical ASSUMPTION. My point is when someone is attempting to make sence out of a situtation they will draw on from what they seen or heard to make a viable conclusion.
I'm not sure where Martin was shot, if it was in the heart there would be very little blood at all. I don't recall seeing any pictures of blood on the sidewalk where he laid either, so I'm going to have to say that no blood on somebody that was only touching him for a few seconds after he was shot is not out of the question.
After someone is shot it takes some time before blood starts appearing. I can't find information on where on his body he was shot, but it was most likely heart as he died quickly.
Maine residents are allowed open carry without any type of permit you just have to be 21 and a resident of the state of Maine. I have to wonder how that makes us look.
Steve
It makes you look like your lawmakers haven't stolen all your rights yet. This isn't supposed to be a gun discussion but when did open carry become a bad thing?
