I've heard reports both that Martin did run and didn't run. Considering his past with the suspension after being caught with burglary tools and women's jewelry, it's possible he was ditching evidence. However, I've not heard of any evidence of that being found or any mention of it.
As I understand events, Martin realized Zimmerman was following him and ducked out of sight to lose Zimmerman. Once Zimmerman lost sight of Martin, he turned to return to his vehicle. Martin then came up behind him and confronted him. (there's multiple versions of events where Martin attacks from behind and another that says they exchanged words before Martin attacked). Of course, there's also the story that Zimmerman stalked and hunted Martin down and killed him as soon as he found him for wearing a hoodie.
Hopefully the evidence will clearly show what happened so there's no doubt if Zimmerman acted in self-defense or not. The only thing worse than a criminal going free is an innocent person being imprisoned unjustly. I hope we find out for sure which Zimmerman is.
I do see were it does seem that I said that he did break the law . I do not think he broke any laws and that he has a GOD given right to carry a weapon with out registering any thing. As I said I do not know all the facts in this and that any body that just listen to the media is making a great mistake. So if it sounded like I thought he should be arrested I do not.
I think what lends truth to Zimmerman's side of the story, and that is all that we know, is that he called the police. More than likely if he was going to straight up shoot the kid he would not have called the police. Plus he has evidence of being struck and knocked to the ground. I am not hearing any mark or evidence of Trayvon being hit, except for the obvious gun shot wound. If you piece everything together, evidence and what Zimmerman is saying, it sounds like that is what happened. It may not be what everyone wants to hear but just looking at it objectively.
If he had not had the gun, simply he would have been beat pretty bad by this kid.
Speaking to everyone at large, if you have ever been hit, or been in a fight your brain automatically thinks you are dying. Your instincts kick in and you will do what you need to do to save yourself. It is not a matter of thinking things thru, but making sure you survive and are alive afterward.
I keep guns in my house and feel comfortable defending, or killing if the need comes, for anyone who is not welcome. I dont carry outside the house simply because I think it emboldens a person to feel safer than they should and negates common sense. Zimmerman did not use common sense. That does not make him guilty, but just not too smart.
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Exactly Nick. Court will have to sort it out. Of course the media and idiots like Sharpton HAD to sway any public opinion in favor of the 'good little boy' being assaulted by the big bad man. Im with the Constitution that a person is innocent till his peers judge him guilty except in a very clear cut case...which this is not.
If Zimmerman didnt 'hunt' him down to intentionally kill him, he didnt break any laws at all. He had a permit to carry whenever he wanted to. Your not under any legal requirement to obey a 911 dispatcher. In most places, there not even police officers. I know a girl thats a Columbus dispatcher part time while shes in college. Theyre just trained to route info to correct places (fire, police, EMT, ect), and be a warm body to answer a phone. Only other things are basic first aid like CPR and controlling bleeding.
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I bet next time(if there is) retard will listen to what the 911 operator tells him.....
Hes not retarded, and the 911 operator has no authority to tell anyone anything ( and he wasn't ordered to stop anyway ). And if it went down as he said, he was in the right.
I do see were it does seem that I said that he did break the law . I do not think he broke any laws and that he has a GOD given right to carry a weapon with out registering any thing. As I said I do not know all the facts in this and that any body that just listen to the media is making a great mistake. So if it sounded like I thought he should be arrested I do not.
Several of us were confused, but i think that redaction was clear enough.
on't post much in this thread, because I don't wish to get swept up in the abuse by the Media. But... there is one conundrum that puzzles me. Martin is reputed to have fled when he realised Zimmerman was 'following him'. And yet, he was seen to have attacked Zimmerman, irrepsective of whom attacked whom in the first place...WHY did he run the first instance? He obvioulsy wasn't scared, or else why would he have returned to confront him, and then beat him? Now, that could go either way: Either Zimmerman did in fact follow Martin, and confronted him, possibly with is gun in view...and Martin just lost it and attacked him. Or else Martin doubled back, and attacked him..and thus proved he wasn't so scared to run in the first place. Did he in fact have some incriminating evidence on him, which he disposed off whilst fleeing? because I can't seethe two things gelling at all. One completely says the opposite to the other. And until that is sorted out and proved one way or the other, I would not feel confident enough, on the suppose devidence being quoted in the Media, to make a decision either way. Nick
My question was why didn't Martin call the police or 911 and say "hey I have some crazy guy following me". Could have possibly prevented all of this from happening.
Good point!! Which might also indicate that he WASN'T scared at all, and thought he could handle it himself, by virtue of his height and age advantage...but then...we are guessing AGAIN!!
My question was why didn't Martin call the police or 911 and say "hey I have some crazy guy following me". Could have possibly prevented all of this from happening.
Its hard to tell why he didn't. We may never know.
My question was why didn't Martin call the police or 911 and say "hey I have some crazy guy following me". Could have possibly prevented all of this from happening.
C'mon. The kid had a history of trouble with the law. Let's call a spade a spade.....
How many thugs/punks/shitballs call the cops saying someone in this gated community I don't live in is following me?
I do see were it does seem that I said that he did break the law . I do not think he broke any laws and that he has a GOD given right to carry a weapon with out registering any thing. As I said I do not know all the facts in this and that any body that just listen to the media is making a great mistake. So if it sounded like I thought he should be arrested I do not.
So when you said he should be in jail, what you really meant was he should not be arrested. Gotcha. You can see why saying someone should be in jail might lead readers to think you meant he should be arrested. Thanks for clearing that up.
I watched "Face the Nation" on CBS this morning. There were two guests on the show and the CBS reporter that brought the story to the forefront.
I would appreciate others takes on the views of the two guest panelists. I have my own opinion of what they said in response to Bob Schieffer's questions.
.who calls the police before a murder if you can not have justice have a circus The national news trys to make zimmerman look bad the local news from seminole county,where it happen ,is very different from the national news
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.who calls the police before a murder if you can not have justice have a circus The national news trys to makes zimmerman look bad the local news from seminole county,where it happen ,is very different from the national news
Can you post some links to local news for us? I'd greatly appreciate it.
.who calls the police before a murder if you can not have justice have a circus The national news trys to makes zimmerman look bad the local news from seminole county,where it happen ,is very different from the national news
Yes, our news here in my area is a bit less biased ( still not perfect ) and they were trying to paint a more 'representative' picture of both parties involved. I agree that the mainstream media made their decision early on and has pushed their agenda hard. Its disgusting really. "News" reporting should be 100% unbiased. "Commentary" can be, but it shouldn't be portrayed as "news", like its been.
And i also agree, if he was out to kill someone like that.. he wouldn't be calling the police before, or after.. you stalk the guy, shoot him and dispose of the 'untraceable' weapon. But i bet that is also why they didn't charge him with 1st degree, and look even sillier since they couldn't show the intent..
Still say it was a stupid move if he did follow the kid after calling it in ( which is still part of the contention i know .. ), but stupid isn't against the law.
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l..The local papers are very left wing, The Orlando Sentinel hired 2 speech analys who wrongly thought Travon was calling for help the sanford herald is left wing but not as red as the Slantinel The Sanford Herald has been low key for fear they will be burned out or wrecked the information from witnesses,attorneys, police,relatives has been 100% more thruthfull ,on talk radio right from the start,I do not give a crap for this story & only reported because there was a lot of false information I would hear the local news, then the national news would come on saying that Zimmerman had gun down travon or a man had shot a boy/kid armed with skittles
Now I do think this shooting was hi jacked and blown way way out of proportion. You can see that when the Load mouth sharkfine and Jess show up .If race is in it.It when they showed up.
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,,you will not get the truth from the Orlando Sentinel,extra bias the Sanford herald is better but still left wing
you have to go back to march 22 when it happen,work up a lot of stuff to read,very bias the liberal Sentinel & Herald very anti gun,anti Zimmerman
..the first local news on the shooting ,,was nothing like the sensational national news reports blacks have killed ,hammered to death ,dumped in the woods numerous whites since this happen one brutal hammering,assault ,,then THE white man WAS thrown in the woods by travons buddies,a big story , not even reported nationally,why ..there are a lot of angry black kids here who never knew there father,plus they are VERY stupid ,& blacks killing whites is very common here ..DURING A TRAFFIC STOP ,,A white female police officer was shot & killed by a black felon who should have been in jail,about the time of the zimmerman /travon shoot,WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE??
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Now I do think this shooting was hi jacked and blown way way out of proportion. You can see that when the Load mouth sharkfine and Jess show up .If race is in it.It when they showed up.
You edited it before I could "quote it"..but anyway, it was Rahm Emanuel who stated:
"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before."
,,you will not get the truth from the Orlando Sentinel,extra bias the Sanford herald is better but still left wing
you have to go back to march 22 when it happen,work up a lot of stuff to read,very bias the liberal Sentinel & Herald very anti gun,anti Zimmerman
the first local news on the shooting was nothing like the sensational national news reports blacks have killed ,hammered to death ,dumped in the woods numerous whites since this happen one brutal hammering,assault then white man thrown in the woods by travons buddies,a big story , not even reported nationally there are a lot of angry black kids here who never knew there father,plus they are stupid ,& blacks killing whites is very common here A white female police officer was shot & killed by a black felon who should have been in jail,about the time of the zimmerman /travon shoot,WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE??
I'll probably regret this but I've got to at least try....
Stan...
As I'm sure you know, the largest newspaper in the Orlando area is the Orlando Sentinel and others that live there (as do you, I gather) have told me Orlando is a pretty "small C conservative" town. How could such a "left wing" paper survive in a predominately "right leaning" city and still remain the biggest one available? Also, if all the newspapers in the area are as biased as you say, what makes the local coverage any different than the national coverage you say is also biased?
I'm not trying to argue with you....just help me understand your logic.
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I'll probably regret this but I've got to at least try....
Stan...
As I'm sure you know, the largest newspaper in the Orlando area is the Orlando Sentinel and others that live there (as do you, I gather) have told me Orlando is a pretty "small C conservative" town. How could such a "left wing" paper survive in a predominately "right leaning" city and still remain the biggest one available? Also, if all the newspapers in the area are as biased as you say, what makes the local coverage any different than the national coverage you say is also biased?
I'm not trying to argue with you....just help me understand your logic.
Same way they survive up here. There is always an audience, regardless of the 'majority view' being different. Our major newspaper is extremely liberal, while the town in general isn't. Talk radio here is mostly right leaning.
I have also seen a difference between coverage here than on national. So i can easily buy what hes saying.
Same way they survive up here. There is always an audience, regardless of the 'majority view' being different. Our major newspaper is extremely liberal, while the town in general isn't. Talk radio here is mostly right leaning.
I have also seen a difference between coverage here than on national. So i can easily buy what hes saying.
Okay...I was hoping Stan would respond himself.....but what I gather from what HE'S saying is that the local coverage is somehow vastly different from the national yet he also says the local news sources are equally biased. Using that logic, how are they different??
Okay...I was hoping Stan would respond himself.....but what I gather from what HE'S saying is that the local coverage is somehow vastly different from the national yet he also says the local news sources are equally biased. Using that logic, how are they different??
I can only speak for my town, he will have to step for his area
I can only speak for my town, he will have to step for his area
I know, Nurb.
I'm not trying to start an argument with either of you but simply want to try to understand where he's coming from. The statements seem at face value to directly contradict each other.
Stan may be a bit "over the top" on occasion.....okay....frequently.... but I'm still interested in what he has to say.
Okay...I was hoping Stan would respond himself.....but what I gather from what HE'S saying is that the local coverage is somehow vastly different from the national yet he also says the local news sources are equally biased. Using that logic, how are they different??
I can say that here one form of media (newspapers) are completely different than television, and both are way off from radio.
We can look at a smoking ban to see the differences. (Lets say that the local city council has enacted a no smoking ordinance.)
The Television news has it as a lead story, with heavy emphasis on how much better the air will be in the next pub crawl The Newspaper runs stories about how more people can now take their kids out to eat, and the Government has once again saved the little guy. The radio has reports from businesses talking about the money they are losing, from people saying how they are going somewhere else to shop now etc etc.
And it goes the other way too, with the radio and paper slanting everything, and the television not spinning (rare.)
l..The local papers are very left wing, The Orlando Sentinel hired 2 speech analys who wrongly thought Travon was calling for help the sanford herald is left wing but not as red as the Slantinel The Sanford Herald has been low key for fear they will be burned out or wrecked the information from witnesses,attorneys, police,relatives has been 100% more thruthfull ,on talk radio right from the start,I do not give a crap for this story & only reported because there was a lot of false information I would hear the local news, then the national news would come on saying that Zimmerman had gun down travon or a man had shot a boy/kid armed with skittles
I bolded the key sentence that should answer your question.
Newf, I was going to post right after aceman and attempt to pull the emotions out and replace with what's been reported but not proven as bonafide facts as of yet but hopefully will be submitted in court so as to present a psychological 'profile' of Trayvon Martin.
Apparently, Mr. Martin has had run-ins with the school system concerning his tardiness, which he was suspended for and he boasted about on twitter, the defacing of school property and possession of traces of a controlled substance and paraphernalia, which caused the most recent suspension and the alleged possession of women's diamond jewelry and a big screwdriver in his backpack. These aren't normal items a high school kid needs to get through the day. Then there's the twitter comment to Trayvon about 'swinging on' a bus driver and requests for 'plant'. These things tend to wipe that innocent look off his face and portray him as a kid headed toward street thuggery.
[QUOTE]If he had not had the gun, simply he would have been beat pretty bad by this kid.
Probably, but I suspect, Zimmerman might have rather been beaten pretty badly as opposed to his current predicament.
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Speaking to everyone at large, if you have ever been hit, or been in a fight you brain automatically thinks you have dying. Your instincts kick in and you will do what you need to do to save yourself. It is not a matter of thinking things thru, but making sure you survive and are alive afterward.
I've been in a lot of fights(over 30 as a kid), luckily nobody ever pulled a gun or a knife. You just dealt with the consequences.
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I keep guns in my house and feel comfortable defending, or killing if the need comes, for anyone who is not welcome. I dont carry outside the house simply because I think it emboldens a person to feel safer than they should and negates common sense. Zimmerman did not use common sense. That does not make him guilty, but just not too smart.
Same here. There's a reason I haven't applied for a concealed weapon permit.
Apparently, Mr. Martin has had run-ins with the school system concerning his tardiness, which he was suspended for and he boasted about on twitter, the defacing of school property and possession of traces of a controlled substance and paraphernalia, which caused the most recent suspension and the alleged possession of women's diamond jewelry and a big screwdriver in his backpack. These aren't normal items a high school kid needs to get through the day. Then there's the twitter comment to Trayvon about 'swinging on' a bus driver and requests for 'plant'. These things tend to wipe that innocent look off his face and portray him as a kid headed toward street thuggery.
I am not by any stretch of anyone's imagination petitioning for the deification of Trayvon Martin...... but how does any of that have to do with the events of February 26th? Unless it's proven that he was in the process of acting on his "street thuggery" when he was shot and killed, I fail to see a cognitive connection...though I have little doubt such things will be discussed during the trial.
Probably, but I suspect, Zimmerman might have rather been beaten pretty badly as opposed to his current predicament.
Or his head cracked open, left to bleed to death. no one really knows what would have happened, since it didn't go down that way. its all just ( pointless ) arm chair guesswork.
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If I ask someone else a question, frequently I get a post from Stan.
It's a crazy world.
I wasn't attacking him, guys....and he's a big boy anyway. He's never (to my knowledge) had any problems expressing himself.
I knew you weren't. In my case i was just mentioning we have the same situation here, living in a mostly conservative area.
And all said, i do hope the complete truth comes out, regardless of which side of the 'public opinion' it falls on. And that the jury is brave enough to fairly judge the situation.
