If I recall correctly T-Martin dropped his phone ear peice shortly after he told his GF that someone was following him and he said he wasn't going to run. I also think there was a peorid of 5 minutes after that and before the altercation. A time line would be helpful. I also read that Zimmerman said that Martin went for his gun indicating that Zimmerman either showed it to him or it wasn't very concealed.
In your opinion what would make a 6.2 Football player posing as Gangsta Gangsta on his FB page run? After...(not sure on timeline) he told his GF he wasn't going to run?
ooowww, ooowww ...I know I know...
I'm confused, are you comparing this with a Jim Carey movie?
Things I can think of off the top of my head that make a poser gangster run: (hey you said it)
Guilt, perhaps he really was up to no good Fear, You know, just because the guy scared him, I can buy this. Fear, perhaps the gun was pulled, though that's really out there. Restless leg syndrome, I'm not sure if it causes running, but it's as plausible as the last one to me. Free burgers for the next ten people at What-A-Burger (I know I'd run for that).
As for a time line I can't help. I think all of this happened within a few minutes as you can download and listen to most of the "911" tape from Zimmerman calling.
It would have been wise to watch and report. Not chase with a loaded handgun. Would be no Mob, Media storm, Protesters if he was taken in for questioning and the police performed proper investigation. The DA didn't allow the manslaughter arrest...Why....maybe because zimmerman's father was a Judge??? maybe there was NOT enough evidence because the police didn't collect any???
It sounds like you have already made up your mind on this case even with no proof of what happened.
There are hundreds of them Brad, and very cheap, and work brilliantly. With an 8 GB microcard, you can get 5 hours filming...and just switch a new card in when you need to. Or just have 2, and alternate between them (I know you know...you've got one in your car, I believe )
And I keep telling everyone to get one. This day and age having "your word against theirs" is silly. Especially when almost everyone has access to a way to at least record voice. (even cheap cell phones have a "voice record", or "voice memo" option.)
I'm waiting right now on a new mount for mine, something happened this winter to cause mine to break and crack right where the suction cup hooks on. (I suspect freezing/heating of the plastic weakened it.)
Sounds like you are projecting. What my mind is made up on is that Zimmerman needs to get arrested and tried by a jury of his peers.
The DA said at the time of the incident that Zimmerman wasn't charged because there wasn't enough evidence to lead to a conviction. I've read reports that it goes before the Grand Jury next week for review.
Sounds like you are projecting. What my mind is made up on is that Zimmerman needs to get arrested and tried by a jury of his peers.
Why would that be? People may not LIKE the facts as they stand but it is what it is. When there is no evidence of a crime, why arrest? I am sure you might feel differently if it was you.
Reading what the kid wrote in his blog or whatever, him and his buddies dont even speak english. I dont have a clue what they were even saying. Did he go to a city public school ?
The DA said at the time of the incident that Zimmerman wasn't charged because there wasn't enough evidence to lead to a conviction. I've read reports that it goes before the Grand Jury next week for review.
Sad state of affairs when ignorant manipulated public opinion is the rule of the day.
If I recall correctly T-Martin dropped his phone ear peice shortly after he told his GF that someone was following him and he said he wasn't going to run. I also think there was a peorid of 5 minutes after that and before the altercation. A time line would be helpful. I also read that Zimmerman said that Martin went for his gun indicating that Zimmerman either showed it to him or it wasn't very concealed.
In your opinion what would make a 6.2 Football player posing as Gangsta Gangsta on his FB page run? After...(not sure on timeline) he told his GF he wasn't going to run?
Crump said Martin got off the phone with the girl for a few minutes because it started to rain and he was running to get under shelter.
The two reconnected via cellphone for the last time at 7:12 p.m. for four minutes. Police say they arrived at the scene at 7:17 to find Martin dead, Crump said.
The girl told Crump that Martin told her he was being followed and that she had encouraged him to run.
“She knew details about what went on because he was telling her,” Crump said.
He said the girl heard the initial confrontation between Martin and Zimmerman.
“Trayvon said, ‘Why you following me, man?”’ and Zimmerman said, ‘What are you doing here?’” Crump said.
He said the girl could tell by Martin’s voice that he was then pushed. She thinks Martin’s cellphone headset came off and then the call was disconnected, Crump said.
He said that when she called back, the girl did not get an answer and knew nothing else until she heard of her friend’s killing on the news.
7:12 PM + 4 minutes = 7:16 PM. The police arrived at 7:17 PM or 1 minute after the phone hung up on the girlfriend. A lot of what happened during that 1 minute is recorded on some of the 911 calls from neighbors and includes a lot of yelling for help from Zimmerman.
If Martin saw any indication of a gun, he would have said so to his girlfriend. He was speaking to her all the way up to the scuffle as I pointed out earlier and you ignored.
Care to revise your theory since the account as given by Martin's girlfriend does not support it?
I'm confused, are you comparing this with a Jim Carey movie?
A Gun will make a Grown man, Gangster, Toughguy, etc run, cry and beg for his life.
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Things I can think of off the top of my head that make a poser gangster run: (hey you said it)
*****SNIP***** On Trayvon’s MySpace page, at least one of his top friends, Romario305, is featured making a gang sign towards the camera in his default profile picture
Ok, Let me take that back as it is NOT Trayvon that is posing...my BAD!
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Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me. Dispatcher: OK. Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male. Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks? Zimmerman: He's got button on his shirt, late teens. Dispatcher: Late teens ok. Zimmerman: Somethings wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out, he's got something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is.
Please be serious and tell me why you think Trayvon started running?
7:12 PM + 4 minutes = 7:16 PM. The police arrived at 7:17 PM or 1 minute after the phone hung up on the girlfriend. A lot of what happened during that 1 minute is recorded on some of the 911 calls from neighbors and includes a lot of yelling for help from Zimmerman.
If Martin saw any indication of a gun, he would have said so to his girlfriend. He was speaking to her all the way up to the scuffle as I pointed out earlier and you ignored.
Care to revise your theory since the account as given by Martin's girlfriend does not support it?
Dude ! Didn't Zimmerman tell police Travon went for his gun? When Travon ran here:
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Zimmerman: Somethings wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out, he's got something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is. Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything ok Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here? Dispatcher: Yeah we've got someone on the way, just let me know if this guy does anything else. Zimmerman: Okay. These assholes they always get away. When you come to the clubhouse you come straight in and make a left. Actually you would go past the clubhouse. Dispatcher: So it's on the lefthand side from the clubhouse? Zimmerman: No you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left…uh you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. **** he's running. Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?
How does it fit in the timeline? Was it Before or after he was talking to his girlfriend? Why do you think he would have said to his GF the guy has a gun? He told her he wasn't going to run?
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Originally posted by Red88FF: 123, Your ability to actually change your opinion on this tragedy after reading the facts gives me a new respect for you. Glocks though confortable in the hand, straight shooting and reliable are the worst guns out their because of the “trigger safety” stupidest thing I have seen on a gun. If we were in a world without idiots and children might be OK. Flame away Glock owners! just my opinion.
The facts keep changing, not unusual in something like this where we are limited as to what we know and it changes as more and new facts come into view.
It may very well been men of color who were responsible for the brake ins all along, it may not. That fact has yet to have been proven, we are getting bits and pieces as they come out. We can only comment on what we hear in the news, good bad, indifferent.
Being questioned by someone no matter who they are about why you are someplace doesn’t give you the right to attack them, Zimmerman’s story so far.
We have only the facts that have been in the news to go by, if they are true then the boy was the aggressor and Zimmerman had every right to use deadly force.
Do you really think if you were in that same situation, having some 6’2” kid attack you and repeatedly bashing your head into the ground and you had a gun you would not have fired?
I know if it was me I would have. We have had kids here, who were here because of their own stupidity as juveniles, some change some don’t. Some have gone on to become model citizens and have even come back to offer us help free of charge. Some have gone on to be arrested again and done real time. I am sorry that what we have tried to show them did no good. Those who ended up doing real time disserved what they got.
So far from what I have seen on the news this kid disserved what he got, he thought he was a big tough guy. The only tough guys I know are in the jail house or the graveyard. Steve
How does it fit in the timeline? Was it Before or after he was talking to his girlfriend? Why do you think he would have said to his GF the guy has a gun? He told her he wasn't going to run?
You just don't get it. Martin never said to his girlfriend that Zimmerman had a gun. Martin never saw a gun because it was never brandished. No news stories that I have seen say that Zimmerman brandished his gun. It is only in your head that he did that.
If Martin saw any indication of a gun, he would have said so to his girlfriend. He was speaking to her all the way up to the scuffle as I pointed out earlier and you ignored.
Care to revise your theory since the account as given by Martin's girlfriend does not support it?
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Crump said Martin got off the phone with the girl for a few minutes because it started to rain and he was running to get under shelter.
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Zimmerman: Somethings wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out, he's got something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is. Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything ok Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here? Dispatcher: Yeah we've got someone on the way, just let me know if this guy does anything else. Zimmerman: Okay. These assholes they always get away. When you come to the clubhouse you come straight in and make a left. Actually you would go past the clubhouse. Dispatcher: So it's on the lefthand side from the clubhouse? Zimmerman: No you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left…uh you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. **** he's running. Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?
Sooo, if I put your theory with the above statement he ran to get Shelter from the rain??? Dosen't make sence.
Please be serious and tell me why you think Trayvon started running?
I am being serious, we have no proof that anyone ran, it's just something that was said. Asking me to tell you why Pluto is really made out of Gold, and the Government made it no longer a planet to keep us from paying attention to it is (to me) the same argument.
You have a situation where you do not know what happened, we are sorting through the evidence and trying to get to the facts and now you want people to tell you what would cause that to happen. "He's running" could simply mean leaving the area, or taking off.
"IF" Martin ran he is the only one that can say for sure why that was.
IF "running" simply means leaving the area as I took it to mean then it could have been for any reason. I have "personal" information on this, but I'll post it later.
Now, as for guns making men turn into sniveling whining babies, or whatever you said.
I've had a few guns pulled on me, I never cried, yelled, ran etc. I'm betting that there are several in this forum that would be the same way. (Mary Jane, Boondawg, etc.) Some people are trained to not react to guns being pulled on them, some just don't react. I've had guns shot at me, that did cause me to drive like a bat out of hell.
I know for a fact my neighbor doesn't react when someone pulls a gun on him too, I've seen it personally (he actually got pissed and tried to take the gun).
The people I'm talking about are not teenagers that think they are bulletproof, they are grown adults that know how short life is.
Brad
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Until something new develops I am sick of hearing about this.
As it stands looks like the kid was a violent fool and got himself shot. Too bad it cost him his life but instead of todays youth taking an important lesson from this about actions and consequences they are only learning to cry loud, ignore facts and tantrum their way to an ends that is not supported by the law.
Reading what the kid wrote in his blog or whatever, him and his buddies dont even speak english. I dont have a clue what they were even saying. Did he go to a city public school ?
Some of us speak fluent Caucasian....some don't.
BTW......what does "Git 'Er Done" mean anyway?
Sorry....I couldn't resist.
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Until something new develops I am sick of hearing about this.
As it stands looks like the kid was a violent fool and got himself shot. Too bad it cost him his life but instead of todays youth taking an important lesson from this about actions and consequences they are only learning to cry loud, ignore facts and tantrum their way to an ends that is not supported by the law.
Interesting point of view. I don't know what facts you are referring to that "the kid was a violent fool".
Are you making the point that "Stand your Ground" is a Foolish law. Does the law NOT equally apply to the "kid". At what point can he "stand his Ground" without being violent fool?
Who initiated the altercation is the million dollar question?
So if someone is chasing you with a Gun Is your advise is to run like hell and hide like an ostrich?? Are you saying never stand your ground as someone it going to get hurt or killed and that is NOT going to be supported by the law? Unless, of course your daddy is a Judge....Sarcasm ...
What if Trayvon had killed Zimmerman in the altercation... He would be in Jail.... No if ands or Buts I Guareendamtee it
I know I don't know what happened but I know what I want to see happen.
I will say that traditional training dictates leaving the safety on, however Police and Security personnel typically disengage their safety if they think they are about to need the weapon.
I also know people that make it a habit to disengage the safety as they unholster the weapon, as the only reason to pull it out of its holster is to use it.
Brad
That is correct. Police and security personel, which Zimmerman is not either one of, do that. A gun's safety is used to prevent "accidental" discharge. When I used to hunt I always had the safety on my weapons, it doesn't take much time to disengage it when the need arises,especially if one knows how to use their weapon. If you are pulling a gun out of a holster, it would be natural to disengage the safety, as one isn't usually pulling it out to just show it. It also is usual to place one's finger on the trigger guard and not directly on the trigger, unless one intends to shoot the weapon. That is just another safety step and even Police and security people do this. They don't want to accidentally shoot someone they didn't intend to shoot. Hopefully the responsible gun owners on here do not leave their loaded weapons with the safety off, while they are at home, and have no need of the weapon, especially if they have children. That is just inviting a tragedy. If one lives alone, that is another story and anything goes.
Originally posted by Formula88: In this family photograph, Trayvon Martin, is shown at age 14 when he played for the Optimists football team in Miami Gardens.
No **** ? We used to do a lot of volunteer work with the Optimists organization in Miami Gardens. That's where Joe Robbie / Pro-Player / Dolphins Stadium / Dolphin Stadium / Land Shark / Dolphin Stadium / Sun Life stadium is located (the name is soon to change again, hah).
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I suppose the real tragedy will be if they can't make good on their promise of a bounty for the person who kills Zimmerman?
No, the entire organization just needs to go away. It's basically the racist Islamic version of the Westborough Baptist Church
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Looks like there's going to be some race riots before this is over.
Every time this happens millions of dollars in damage will be done by black people to store-fronts and shops owned by black people.
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Originally posted by 84fiero123:
My Glock doesn't have a safety to turn on or off, so does that make me a irresponsible gun owner?
Only because a Barretta would have been a better choice. Hah... just kidding, I don't own any guns... but I know Barretta owners and Glock owners go back and forth just like Atari and Commodore people used to in the 80s (or Ford vs Chevy I suppose would be a better comparison).
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Originally posted by nosrac:
You SIR are Awesome...
Thanks Man, I appreciate it.
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Originally posted by newf:
I've heard that the New Black Panthers are comparable to the Westboro nuts and are using this youngsters killing as a way to garner attention similar to how the Westboro gang uses funerals.
Saw a clip of Anderson Cooper interviewing this group and making a mockery of them the other night.
I'd rather concentrate on what actually happened the night T. Martin was gunned down and hopefully the truth will come out, no matter what it might be.
I've been saying this for years... and I think even since page three.
This is like the discussions I have with my wife. I tell her something, and it's not a good idea until one of her friends tells her the same thing... then suddenly it's an awesome idea.
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Hopefully the responsible gun owners on here do not leave their loaded weapons with the safety off, while they are at home, and have no need of the weapon, especially if they have children. That is just inviting a tragedy. If one lives alone, that is another story and anything goes.
This is my fear as well. I fully support the rights of people to own guns, but I just don't feel comfortable owning one myself since I have a little girl. She gets into everything.
I expect to see much more before this is over. Florida, be ready for L.A. level of rioting.
Absolutely ridiculous... I've actually been in that Walgreens too... it's by the Glades Interchange. And just like I said, it's in a part of town that is predominantly black. Why does this happen every time? Why do they go in and destroy store fronts in their own neighborhoods?
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Absolutely ridiculous... I've actually been in that Walgreens too... it's by the Glades Interchange. And just like I said, it's in a part of town that is predominantly black. Why does this happen every time? Why do they go in and destroy store fronts in their own neighborhoods?
Somewhere between IGNORANCE and FOOLISH... is my guess.
But they aint too stoopid because if the were Dumb enough to do it in a predominantly white neighborhood all HELL would break loose. They don't play dat sh!t over on the other side of the tracks... Where was it again Trayvon GOT Shot???
Somewhere between IGNORANCE and FOOLISH... is my guess.
But they aint too stoopid because if the were Dumb enough to do it in a predominantly white neighborhood all HELL would break loose. They don't play dat sh!t over on the other side of the tracks... Where was it again Trayvon GOT Shot???
Sanford, FL... near Orlando... a good 4 hours north of North Miami Beach / Aventura area... (where that Walgreens was located).
All I get is The "Media" doesn't have all the facts. Some are trying to turn this into a Black vs White race war Racist punks like Spike Lee are putting innocent people in danger.
All I Know is a Hispanic male confronted a Black male and a shooting happened.
At the time the report was made and it was a partial report only so there is more to come. They did everything right from what I read, as far as what is in this partial report. There is no report as to what was said or done at the police department interrogation.
Police and other officials in Sanford, Florida, have released a number of documents relating to the investigation of the February 26 shooting death of teenager Trayvon Martin. In this post, we’ve collected some of the documents that show what police initially found at the scene and what authorities have told the public about the case.
Martin, a black 17-year-old, was unarmed when he was shot to death by George Zimmerman, a Hispanic neighborhood watch volunteer, as Martin was walking back to the house of his father's fiancee in Sanford.
Zimmerman had called police to report a suspicious person and said he was following Martin, despite being told by a dispatcher he didn't need to do so. He says he killed Martin in self-defense after the teen attacked him in the gated community. Zimmerman has been questioned but not charged, police said, because they lacked evidence to contradict his account.
The case has sparked a national debate about, among other things, race and self-defense laws. Between Zimmerman’s account to police, tapes of 911 calls and accounts from witnesses and others, much is in dispute. (See CNN’s breakdown of what witnesses say happened.)
The initial police reports
Sanford police have released initial reports from the officers who first responded to the shooting scene on February 26. The reports detail what the officers saw when they arrived, officers’ attempts to resuscitate Martin, and a very brief account from Zimmerman. They do not include statements from other witnesses or any investigative information beyond the officers’ initial observations.
The initial police reports describe the case as "homicide/negligent" and "manslaughter/unnecessary killing to prevent unlawful act." City officials have said that all reports need descriptions to help track types of incidents.
“This code does not indicate a formal charge that will be lodged against an alleged offender,” the city said in a news release on Tuesday. “It is used for internal processing and to type cases.”
Citing multiple sources, ABC News reported Wednesday that the lead investigator in the case recommended that Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter after the shooting, but the state attorney's office determined that there was not enough evidence to lead to a conviction.
February 27 letter to neighborhood
In this letter to residents of the neighborhood where Martin was shot, the Sanford Police Department informs the residents of the fatal shooting and gives a brief description of the incident. The letter is dated February 27, the day after the shooting.
It also tells residents that an investigation was being conducted and that the department would hold a community meeting.
Answers from police chief
On March 21, with national public interest in the case rising, the Sanford city manager released a letter in which the city police chief answered what he said were frequently asked questions about the shooting.
The letter addresses issues such as why Zimmerman was not arrested and why he was armed. It also answers why the city Police Department hasn't released 911 tapes, though readers should be aware the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office had done so.
Those tapes now can be heard on the city’s website.
City: Newspaper's report on Zimmerman’s account consistent with inquiry
More than a month after the shooting, the Orlando Sentinel, citing “authorities” as its source of information, reported that Zimmerman told police that he had lost sight of Martin after trying to follow him and that he was returning to his vehicle when Martin confronted him.
The Sentinel also reported that Zimmerman claimed to police that Martin attacked him before he shot Martin.
On Monday, the city of Sanford released a statement in which it condemned what it called "unauthorized leaks," but confirmed that the newspaper account "is consistent with the information provided to the State Attorney's office by the Police Department."
Well Obama and the Democrats have made their ruling: Zimmerman is guilty. After watching this clip, I do find it somewhat hilarious what some people will do to try and look intelligent. Probably in her pebble sized brain, she thought dressing up as a cow girl would make her look very learn-ed and scholarly.
(I know you know...you've got one in your car, I believe 
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