So, your talking about what Trevon Martin did or about every one else now? If you're trying to attempt to make a comparison here at least use one where somebody was shot for no other reason than walking through a neighborhood on the cell phone doing nothing.
Once again you're doing nothing more than classic victimizing.
Take yourself down off the cross and use the wood to build a bridge to get over it. I'm talking about parents IN GENERAL. Don't you think most parents are going to defend their child no matter what? I wasn't making a comparison with anything. I was answering the hypothetical question asked - you know, the one you said no one would answer.
You are desperate to find something to disagree with.
Heh, on NBC they just had a story about how Zimmerman was arrested for interfering with an officer 7 years or so ago, and how he was not charged with a felony, and if he had he wouldn't have had a concealed license.
I'm sorry, but.
If the School had called the Police on Martin, and had him charged with whatever laws he broke by having drugs in a school zone he probably would have been in jail, and not shot by Zimmerman.
We can play "what if" all day long, but that gets you nowhere. In the end the school did not have Martin arrested, (I'm assuming because that would have destroyed a teenagers life over what many see as "nothing".) And Zimmerman was not charged with a felony 7 years ago, for whatever reasons. (none of us were at either place.)
The news is just continuing all this crap, causing more issues by stirring up crap. I imagine in a few days (If Zimmerman is still alive) they will have stories about how Zimmerman once got in a fight in grade school.
Brad
The news is and you seem to have also with your links to Martins webpage and pics, funny enough I hadn't heard about Zimmermans arrests til the other day. Yet neither changes whatever may have happened the night Martin was killed.
I doubt that would change much. You're talking about the death of someone's child. They're not going to look at it dispassionately and rationally. I doubt I would either.
The news is and you seem to have also with your links to Martins webpage and pics, funny enough I hadn't heard about Zimmermans arrests til the other day. Yet neither changes whatever may have happened the night Martin was killed.
You hadn't heard about Zimmerman's arrest when he was 21? Really? The photo the media has been using all this time is his mug shot from 7 years ago.
Martin isn't 17 in this picture, and Zimmerman isn't 28. Zimmerman is 21 in this picture. I don't know how old Martin is, but he's 14 in this picture:
It's not like more current pics aren't available - but these are the ones that continue to be used most often. The way everyone has been trying this in the media and saying what the police surveilance video *proves* - it's clear that the man in the video isn't the same man in the pictures. The guy in the pics is much heaver. So that proves Zimmerman isn't the guy. (yes, that's sarcasm)
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It is not what if, it is what happened as far as we know in the Zimmerman case at hand, the FACTS we know so far. We know the kid was beating Zimmerman’s head on the pavement,
Was there some Video footage I missed or something as I thought that was what Mr. Zimmerman told the police and it has NOT been proven or dis-proven? Please direct me to the link?
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We don’t know what was said, We do know the kid was beating Z’s head on the pavement, from what has been in the news so far.
Why again is this a FACT? What unbiased NEWS source do you listen to? You aparently believe Zimmermans complete side of the account like he has Nothing to gain from lying. Mr. Z talking to the police ("I was walking back to my car when this 6'2" scary black male in a hoodie I was chasing approached me, he then suckered punched me and broke my nose for no good reason. I fell on my back and he got on top of me and tried to kill me by repeadly bashing my head in the pavement. Then, My gun accidentaly fell out of my holster and he went for it. We struggled and the gun went off.")
I guess there is No other possible way he could have fell back and hit his head and the bashing at the hands of Martin was Sooo violent Mr Z had to get 46 stiches...
Dude we Don't know what event or who actually started the altercation.
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What would you do if someone was pounding your head into the pavement?
Steve
I would BITE them. As everyone know you Bite when you are loosing a fight.
The bullet went clean through Martin. The police processed the crime scene. It is clear that one person was on top of the other during the struggle. If Zimmerman was on top, the bullet would be lodged in the ground and the police would have found it when they processed the scene. If Zimmerman was on bottom, the bullet could be anywhere but it certainly would not be lodged in the ground near the body.
I doubt that would change much. You're talking about the death of someone's child. They're not going to look at it dispassionately and rationally. I doubt I would either.
I wouldn',t and Nerither is Mr. Z Father. Acording to him, His son could NOT have done any of that without justification. For the record I doubt very serously if mr Z is anything close to racist. That is all media hype baiting the mob so people would tune in. Hell he's not even White, but that makes the story more juicy.
Originally posted by nosrac: I would BITE them. As everyone know you Bite when you are loosing a fight.
Ever have anyone bash your head onto the pavement? I have and there was no way I could have even attempted to bite them. Although the nut next door did bite Melanie on the arm when we were triing to throw her out the door after she kicked it in.
Ever have anyone bash your head onto the pavement? I have and there was no way I could have even attempted to bite them. Although the nut next door did bite Melanie on the arm when we were triing to throw her out the door after she kicked it in.
Steve
I think he posted a sarcastic remark refering to when Tyson bit the ear of Holyfield?
Ever have anyone bash your head onto the pavement? I have and there was no way I could have even attempted to bite them. Although the nut next door did bite Melanie on the arm when we were triing to throw her out the door after she kicked it in.
Steve
No, never have been pavement bashed. Did you shoot the head basher? Aparently they didn't kill you. What did you do in the actual situtation? Why couldn't Mr. Z have taken the same action? As aparently you can live through a pavement head bashing so why would you elect to end that persons life as you said you would?
A white supremacist hacker claims to have broken into Trayvon Martin's email and social networking accounts and posted his private messages online.
"I realize that some of this information might be to [sic] extreme to believe," a hacker named Klanklannon wrote, according to Gawker, which has an original copy of the message thread posted to the popular, unruly message board 4chan. "That's why I offer you evidence. Here are my sources."
Editor's note: Some readers may find language in this article objectionable.
A slide posted to the message board titled "Trayvon Martin Used Marijuana Habitually," apparently shows a conversation between Martin and a friend about getting high. Another alleged that Martin was a drug dealer and showed a picture of Martin standing "aggressively with a large amount of cash in his hand."
Gawker reported that Klankannon shared several of Martin's usernames and email accounts on the thread. The hacker also said that the passwords had been changed to racist slurs like "niggerniggernigger" and "coontrayvonnigger."
Martin, 17, was shot and killed by self-appointed neighborhood watch member George Zimmerman as Martin returned to his father's house in Sanford, Fla., on the night of Feb. 26. Zimmerman claimed that Martin looked "suspicious" in a 911 call. Not long after the call, Martin and Zimmerman engaged in a fight, and Zimmerman shot Martin in the chest. Zimmerman was not charged in the shooting, which has sparked a national outcry and drawn considerable media attention.
A much-circulated photo of a grimacing teen with his middle finger extended -- that many right-leaning sites have suggested is the Trayvon Martin the "mainstream media" does not want the public to see -- was also originally circulated on the white supremacist site stormfront.org, according to the Columbia Journalism Review. The person in that photo was not Martin, but another teenager who shared the name.
Slate's political reporter Dave Weigel, who has long covered the conservative movement, said that the misattributed photo was "part of a new cottage industry of 'truth about Trayvon' content, calibrated to convince people that they really shouldn't worry about the implications of this killing."
"Why, the kid wasn't even a saint!" Weigel said of the logic of such conservative sites. "He might have been shot after brawling with the man who creeply [sic] followed him around the gated community?"
But Gawker's Adrian Chen wrote that the attempts to smear Martin have backfired "because the picture they paint is of a normal high school junior preparing for college."
A screenshot of Trayvon's Gmail inbox our source provided us is heartbreaking. Martin apparently used his Gmail account for his college search, and it's filled with emails about upcoming SAT tests and scholarship applications. ("Trayvon, now is the best time to take the SATs!") One email included the results of a career aptitude test, our source said. It "talked about his interest in aeronautics and stuff."
This is not the first time Martin's online life has made the news. Earlier this week, conservative site Daily Caller obtained and posted messages from Martin's since-deleted Twitter account that date back to the beginning of the year. When The Huffington Post talked to the Caller's executive editor, David Martosko, who published Martin's tweets under his byline, Martosko said that he did so because his audience was hungry for information about the Martin shooting and the two people involved.
"These were not protected tweets," Martosko said. "While he was alive, these were not outside of the public sphere in any shape or form."
Martosko said that the Caller ran Martin's tweets "without value judgment," and would that he would publish Zimmerman's tweets if he was made aware of an account opened and used by Zimmerman.
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At 2min's 24 seconds into Zimmermans call, the dispatcher asked if he (Zimmerman) was following him (Martin). At 2min's 25 seconds Zimmerman replied "Yeah". At 2 min's 26 seconds the dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that". At 2 min's 28 seconds Zimmermans says OK. At 3 min's 40 seconds Zimmerman says he doesn't know where the kid (Martin) is. At 4 min's 7 seconds the call is ended.
There is no evidence to say that Zimmerman kept following Martin after the dispatcher said "We don't need you to do that".
All the evidence as I read and hear the phone call supports that Zimmerman "did" stop following martin and that he didn't even know where Martin was at the time the call ended.
How or why the 2 of them ended up in a scuffle is pure speculation at this point.
What do you mean there's no evidence that Zimmerman stopped following him. Zimmerman bone headed friend states that (he) lost sight of Martin. So what is it, near the car, or where the body was found? You can't ride two horse with one ass here.
What do you mean there's no evidence that Zimmerman stopped following him. Zimmerman bone headed friend states that (he) lost sight of Martin. So what is it, near the car, or where the body was found? You can't ride two horse with one ass here.
What do you mean there's no evidence that Zimmerman stopped following him. Zimmerman bone headed friend states that (he) lost sight of Martin. So what is it, near the car, or where the body was found? You can't ride two horse with one ass here.
Take yourself down off the cross and use the wood to build a bridge to get over it. I'm talking about parents IN GENERAL. Don't you think most parents are going to defend their child no matter what? I wasn't making a comparison with anything. I was answering the hypothetical question asked - you know, the one you said no one would answer.
You are desperate to find something to disagree with.
Yeah, you need to stop trying to ride two horse with one ass. You can "Generalize" till the cows come home but make sure it's one that matches.
Here is an image of the neighborhood. I have circled the Club House (mentioned in the police report) and the sidewalk (behind the buildings)where the altercation took place in Red. This should help others visualize things a bit better.
You tell me Jimmy. Where is the club house and where is was the body found? Zimmerman claims (in one of concocted stories) he was confronted by his car. Tell me how far is the nearest street that avengador1 nicely provided.
Are you saying Martin out flanked Zimmerman by running all the way around? Did Zimmerman state to the 911 dispatcher (I'm using 911 dispatcher, hehe) that he was going to meet up with LE at or near the club house?
I haven’t seen anything from the EMT’s have you read something I haven’t?
Steve
The EMT's can't speak on the matter and most likely would be a HIPPA violation. All you need to see is the police video. As for Zimmerman's claim of his head being banged into the cement that's totally bogus. LOL Chris Brown did more damage to Rhianna while driving.
The EMT's can't speak on the matter and most likely would be a HIPPA violation. All you need to see is the police video. As for Zimmerman's claim of his head being banged into the cement that's totally bogus. LOL Chris Brown did more damage to Rhianna while driving.
A. Exactly we can't speak on the issue. B. How do you know this? You just said the EMTs can't speak out, but you're cool to spout your "opinion"
I'm still not supporting Zimmerman.. I'm just against the lynch mob mentality that seems to be going around.
A. Exactly we can't speak on the issue. B. How do you know this? You just said the EMTs can't speak out, but you're cool to spout your "opinion"
I'm still not supporting Zimmerman.. I'm just against the lynch mob mentality that seems to be going around.
Dude, it only applies to the hospital (as we know he didn't go) or to the EMT's that treated Zimmerman. I'm going by what Zimmerman's concocted stories and the 911 tapes and videos which don't add up. There's no mob mentality from me.
Nose broken-no evidence.
Assaulted at his car-body found around the corner between town homes.
Zimmerman stated, "he on drugs and up to something"-no crime being committed by the victim.
Numerous neighborhood watch rules violations-Zimmerman is carrying a loaded weapon, following, ignoring 911 (from what I've read the association there isn't registered with LEO).
In the spirit of the Stand your Ground law-Zimmerman pursuit nullified his rights to claim self defense. His direct actions was the cause and effect of what took place.
Add the fact that Zimmerman had already prejudged the situation.
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Dude, it only applies to the hospital (as we know he didn't go) or to the EMT's that treated Zimmerman. I'm going by what Zimmerman's concocted stories and the 911 tapes and videos which don't add up. There's no mob mentality from me.
It applies to anyone that is giving medical care to someone, and it's a law for a reason. I know, I've had the friggin boring classes.
There is a LOT of mob mentality from you. You won't listen to anything, or anyone and have already made up your mind on this. WE are discussing this and trying to sort facts from made up BS, you keep pushing BS we have already established as either bs, or unknown as facts. All you have to do is relax, and the truth will come out, or you can keep spinning stories, making up crap, or buying everything the media says without a bit of hesitation. It's your call man.
Originally posted by madcurl: You tell me Jimmy. Where is the club house and where is was the body found? Zimmerman claims (in one of concocted stories) he was confronted by his car. Tell me how far is the nearest street that avengador1 nicely provided.
Are you saying Martin out flanked Zimmerman by running all the way around? Did Zimmerman state to the 911 dispatcher (I'm using 911 dispatcher, hehe) that he was going to meet up with LE at or near the club house?
I made a "drawing" based on what I think happened based on the interview with Zimmermans father. Pure speculation of course.
Zimmerman is Red, Martin is Blue. Oops. sorry
I have no idea where Zimmerman's house is, I assume he has to be able to go outside and see the Clubhouse or he wouldn't have seen Martin where he said he did. I also don't know if he was taking a car anywhere or not, the Grocery store is only a block away. Now first off, this is a gated community, if Martin was inside the gates he had to go over a fence, or break in somewhere. (Unless they do gated communities different in Florida than here.) I asked where people lived and never got an answer so I will assume nobody else knows either.
Red X Zimmerman walks outside, and somehow see's Martin behind the Clubhouse which is a strange place to if you look at the map zoomed out a little bit further.
Blue X Martin "behind" the Clubhouse.
Zimmerman calls the Police and walks to Point 1 on my fancy sketch.
Martin walks to point 2 where Zimmerman says he walked up to him he then starts walking.
Zimmerman who lives there and knows where the sidewalk goes runs from point 3, may have seen martin through the buildings.
At point 4 the operator says that he doesn't need to follow him, this is still only a few seconds, it doesn't take that long to go a block.
Zimmerman walks around the corner, and Martin is circling back around. It's a gated community and there are not a lot of ways out either.
A fight starts, and Martin is shot.
Once again, all guessing.
Brad
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Going to Google now. Zimmerman lives in a gated community, if you zoom in you can see a fence all the way around the complex.
The nearest place I see for a gas station is across the highway. There is no logical way for Martin to be inside the fence of a gated community unless he lives there, or is visiting someone there, and they have to let him in.
My Brother-in-law lives in a gated community close to here, if we go there we call his house on the keypad and he lets us in, or we follow him in. Either way we can't get in unless we use his special code, which he is not giving out, or he lets us in. We could wait for another car I suppose and try to follow them in, but I suspect that would get the Police called. The only other way is to climb the fence.
Now, If you look at the Map I marked the shopping center in green, Other than a Kohls I see nothing in line with the Gated community. If Martin was walking through the community as I read earlier he is going out of his way to go anywhere. The gated community is marked in red, right where the fence is if you zoom in. Martin was behind the Club house which is nowhere near either gate if he was taking a "shortcut".
Now, if Martins Fathers Girlfriend (not sure how to properly write that) lives inside the community you can be sure she would have heard, and relayed the message to Martins father that he had been shot, instead the Family did not know he was dead fro 24 hours.
He was supposed to be getting Skittles for his soon to be Step sister, or Brother, but nobody called when he didn't show up?
Somethings fishy here guys. Really, nothing that the Martin side is saying adds up.
Brad
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Dude, it only applies to the hospital (as we know he didn't go) or to the EMT's that treated Zimmerman. I'm going by what Zimmerman's concocted stories and the 911 tapes and videos which don't add up. There's no mob mentality from me.
Nose broken-no evidence.
Assaulted at his car-body found around the corner between town homes.
Zimmerman stated, "he on drugs and up to something"-no crime being committed by the victim.
Numerous neighborhood watch rules violations-Zimmerman is carrying a loaded weapon, following, ignoring 911 (from what I've read the association there isn't registered with LEO).
In the spirit of the Stand your Ground law-Zimmerman pursuit nullified his rights to claim self defense. His direct actions was the cause and effect of what took place.
Add the fact that Zimmerman had already prejudged the situation.
I find it hard to believe anyone about anything that lives in a van down by the river and has no job listed. Just how do you know about anything related to being injured in a fist fight/gunfight? Ever been in ether?
Somethings fishy here guys. Really, nothing that the Martin side is saying adds up.
Everything is fishy here, and everyone should wait until the all facts come out to make judgments. We should just let the police and grand jury do their job and stop speculating, interjecting our own personal feelings into it. All it does is cause the commotion that we have now, and risks the chance of a fair trial if it goes that far.
Not that i believe in 'news blackouts', but during an active investigation like this, it should be kept to a minimum.
In the spirit of the Stand your Ground law-Zimmerman pursuit nullified his rights to claim self defense. His direct actions was the cause and effect of what took place.
Taking things at face value of what happened: So simply because he followed someone suspicious to monitor him he gave up his right to not be pummeled into the ground? Now, while i agree that it wasn't a smart move, I have to disagree with your conclusion.
Just wait to see what happens if he isn't charged, or found guilty of a lesser charge. You have seen nothing yet. The media can smell blood, and will work this until we have full scale riots across the country so they can increase their ratings ($) for months ... and perhaps directly effect the elections.. ( I wonder if martial law could be invoked if we had mass hysteria and riots this November.. )
Brad, going along the same lines of pure speculation, I'll throw my $.02 in.
From what Martin's girlfriend said we know that Martin was speaking to her on the phone practically the whole time. We also know that Martin did not live in that community so he was not familiar with the area. We also know that at one point he took shelter from the rain.
I believe it is possible that Martin got lost on his way back. He was distracted by the conversation with the girlfriend, walking in the rain, in the dark and in an unfamiliar environment. People that are lost often look around and that could have been mistaken as suspicious behavior by Zimmerman. His path is unusual since most of the time when a person is lost, they stick to the road but Martin may have thought he was somewhere that he was not and was taking a short cut.
I don't fault Martin for the unusual path that he took. I think there are enough factors to explain it. I can even excuse Martin punching Zimmerman and breaking his nose.
When Martin pinned Zimmerman down and was beating him despite Zimmerman calling for help, that is when Martin signed his own death certificate. At that point I have no sympathy for him.
In a week of leaked high school disciplinary records, police reports and police station surveillance video in the war over public perception of Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman, more details have emerged about Zimmerman’s history of violence.
Zimmerman, the 28-year-old Sanford, Fla., neighborhood watch volunteer who shot the unarmed 17-year-old Martin to death last month, was fired from a job securing illegal house parties for “being too aggressive,” according to the New York Daily News, which quoted a former colleague of Zimmerman’s. According to the co-worker, Zimmerman worked for two agencies that provided security for house parties from 2001 to 2005.
“Usually he was just a cool guy,” said the former co-worker, who the newspaper didn't name. “But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When dude snapped, he snapped.” The Daily News said Zimmerman earned $50 to $100 a night for the parties. He was fired for being too aggressive with patrons.
“He had a temper and he became a liability,” the newspaper quoted the former co-worker as saying. “One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted,” he said. “It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.”
The new portrayal of Zimmerman comes as distinctly different images of both Martin and Zimmerman are being floated by people on both sides of the Martin killing. Zimmerman told police he shot Martin Feb. 26 in self defense after being jumped from behind. He has not been charged.
Photos of a fresh-faced, smiling Martin in a Hollister T-shirt helped attract sympathy to his parents' call for justice, as did a 2005 police mug shot of a scowling, overweight Zimmerman photographed after being charged with assaulting a police officer.
This week, stories challenging both portraits emerged. Photos of Martin with removable gold tooth caps and revelations that he was suspended from his Miami high school three times, including once for possessing an empty baggy that school officials said contained marijuana residue, became ammunition for conservative websites and and people sympathetic to Zimmerman.
Law enforcement in Sanford also leaked a police report to the Orlando Sentinel, offering details of Zimmerman's account of the killing for the first time.
The report said Zimmerman told police that Martin attacked him from behind, punched him in the nose, wrestled him to the ground and violently bashed his head on a sidewalk. It was then, Zimmerman told the police, that he pulled out his 9mm handgun and shot Martin in the chest.
Surveillance video from the Sanford police station recorded the night of the shooting, first broadcast by ABC News on Wednesday, showed a clean-shaven and fit-looking Zimmerman being ushered in to the station without visible abrasions, bruises or bloodstains on his clothes, all of which may fail to support his account of a violent death struggle. In addition, the funeral director who handled Martin’s body reported there were no cuts or other marks on the teen's hands that would suggest violent fisticuffs.
In the days after the shooting, Martin’s family said police officers told them Zimmerman had a clean record. But a cursory search of county records showed a 2005 arrest on charges of resisting arrest and assaulting a law enforcement officer. The charges were later dropped.
Also in 2005, Zimmerman was involved in a bitter domestic violence incident with his ex-fiancee, Veronica Zuazo. In that case, Zuazo filed for a restraining order against Zimmerman, who she said snatched her cell phone from her hand and pushed her during an argument. The next day, both filed court petitions accusing the other of violence.
According to the Miami Herald, Zuazo said that three years earlier, Zimmerman attacked her while the two were driving to a counseling session. Zuazo said she popped her gum in his face and he repeatedly smacked her in the face. In January 2002, she added, Zimmerman became enraged that she had come home late. They wrestled and he threw her on the bed, smacking her, according to the newspaper.
In September 2003, Zimmerman called police and reported that another motorist spat on him, according to reports, Zimmerman followed the man in his car until the police arrived. Daniel Osmun, the other driver, told police that Zimmerman was tailgating and that he spit his gum out the window "out of frustration."
Osum said that Zimmerman then pulled alongside of him, and the two argued. In a police report of the incident, Osum said “at one point, he thought Mr. Zimmerman was going to attack him." No charges were filed against either man.
Zimmerman was the self-appointed captain of the neighborhood watch at the Retreat at Twin Lakes, a gated community where Martin was visiting his father and his father’s girlfriend when he was killed. Zimmerman noticed Martin, who was walking home from a store, and called 911 to report the youth as "suspicious." (Zimmerman had called 911 46 times in recent years.) According to 911 recordings the night of the killing, Zimmerman followed Martin against a dispatcher’s recommendation. The police initially said that at one point Martin noticed he was being followed, turned to ask what Zimmerman wanted, and a physical altercation ensued.
Zimmerman was questioned and released by police, who said they lacked evidence to contradict his self-defense claim. The State Attorney’s Office is considering whether to file charges. A grand jury is scheduled to be called on April 10.
Some of Zimmerman’s neighbors said he had a history of being overly aggressive and followed people whom he thought appeared suspicious back to their homes.
At an emergency homeowner’s association meeting on March 1, days after the killing, “one man was escorted out because he openly expressed his frustration because he had previously contacted the Sanford Police Department about Zimmerman approaching him and even coming to his home,” a resident who spoke on the condition of anonymity told HuffPost. “It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics" in his neighborhood watch role.
The former co-worker quoted by the Daily News said he had not recently been in touch with Zimmerman, but his latest troubles came as a shock nonetheless.
“He definitely loved being in charge. He loved the power,” he said. “Still, I could never see him killing someone. Never.”
Enterring most gated communities here in Florida isn't hard if you are on foot. The sidewalks usually don't have gates and if they do they have to remain unlocked because of liability issues. Some of the better gated communities have a guard posted at the entrance to monitor who is enterring. They won't let anyone in who doesn't belong there. In the picture I posted, Trayvon's father's house is towards the bottom of the picture and the sidewalk goes right behind it, but It is not in the picture. I purposely cropped the picture and left out many details of the neighborhood for obvious reasons. With the information made public, one can figure out the addresses of both parties. I have figured this out, but will not pass this information on for obvious reasons.
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On top of all the media coverage, Al Sharpton is hurting the local economy in Sanford. Al Sharpton: Civil disobedience will escalate if Zimmerman remains free http://articles.orlandosent...national-association
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If George Zimmerman is not arrested in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin soon, theRev. Al Sharpton will call for an escalation in peaceful civil disobedience and economic sanctions.
Sharpton would not say the efforts would be taken against the city of Sanford specifically, but he has been critical of the police department's handling of the case.
Saturday's scheduled 11 a.m. march from Crooms Academy of Information Technology to the Sanford Police Department headquarters was organized by National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. Coordinators said people will be bused in from other states to participate.
The civil rights activist and syndicated television show host said he will elaborate on this plan Saturday.
"I will speak about how the National Action Network will move to the next level if Zimmerman isn't arrested," Sharpton said, who founded the organization. He added that it was the Martin family and lawyers who first asked him to get involved and nationalize this story.
TheRev. Jesse Jacksonis also expected to participate in the event.
The case has ignited ire and debate across the nation, galvanizing thousands of Trayvon supporters to the streets and social media, donning hoodies and toting Skittles.
Sanford police this week released a video of a handcuffed George Zimmerman apparently showing no visible signs of physical injury after he claimed that he shot the 17-year-old Miami teenager in self-defense.
Zimmerman's family have come to his defense on national news networks, releasing details about his version of what happened the night of Feb. 26 when police found the teen face down in wet grass.
Sharpton said the recent revelations only underscores the need for an immediate arrest and trial.
"Whether he [Zimmerman] had a swollen or broken nose, neither one means he had to take a 9mm and kill someone," he said. "It's not about saying Zimmerman is innocent or guilty, this is about whether there was probable cause to arrest him."
He criticized the way authorities have released information about the case and said they are setting a harmful precedent, he said.
Sanford city officials announced several road closures in anticipation of the march including 13th street, from U.S. Highway 17-92 to Lake Avenue; as well as, Persimmon Street from McCracken Road to 13th.
The demonstration is expected to end at 2 p.m., organizers said.
Just wait to see what happens if he isn't charged, or found guilty of a lesser charge. You have seen nothing yet. The media can smell blood, and will work this until we have full scale riots across the country so they can increase their ratings ($) for months ... and perhaps directly effect the elections.. ( I wonder if martial law could be invoked if we had mass hysteria and riots this November.. )
I fully blame Obama for making this nation-wide news... absolutely ridiculous.
I am QUITE sure that there will be mass-riots, and millions and millions of dollars in damages.
My parents were living in Washington D.C. back in the late 60s because my mom worked for the government then, and I asked my parents about something during that time, and they were telling me that after MLK was shot, they had essentially locked down D.C. Apparently the riots were so bad that there was the equivelant of 150+ million in damages throughout the city from rioting and vandalism.
I fully expect something assinine like this again, and I don't know why it keeps happening. Obama, the media, and radicals all have to blame for this... but of course, the media won't place blame on anyone other than Republicans... somehow, it'll be the fault of Republicans.
Here's what I'm getting from the discussion thus far...
(a) Martin was 17 years old, stood approximately 6' tall and weighed about 160 lbs. Zimmerman is 28 years old, stands approximately 5'9" and weighs between 175 and 180 (according to police reports.) In boxing terms (if I may be allowed to use them...I'm a boxing fan and as such tend to see physical types in that light) , Martin was a middleweight, Zimmerman a light heavyweight....pretty evenly matched from that perspective. The ability or skills in hand-to-hand self-defense tactics of either party has to my knowledge not been assessed by anyone thus far.
(b) Martin had a history of school-related disciplinary problems though whether or not that has any bearing on the incident as it seems to have occurred is extremely unclear to me. A dead teenager on suspension from school and a dead class valedictorian have one thing in common.. they're both dead. In simple terms, Trayvon Martin wasn't Theo Huxtable....go figure.
(c) As "avengador" has demonstrated and IMO disproved, the term "gated community" has been interpreted as being a closed enclave. Perhaps a better description would be "fenced community." For example, my home in Indiana is in a "gated community" which, in our case means there's a fence around the perimeter and entrance/exit is restricted to one point. There are no guards at that egress but, again in our case, we pay for private security patrols via our homeowners' association fees. That is not the case in the complex where the incident occurred. Also, the term "gated community" seems to give some the impression that the area is at the higher end of the affluence scale or is somehow "ethnically restrictive." The fact is the complex is an ethnically diverse community of middle-to-lower middle class homes in the range of $100K in market price. Hardly Beverly Hills.
Are my impressions of the discussion "on point" thus far or have I overlooked anything of import?
[This message has been edited by Doni Hagan (edited 03-31-2012).]
Are my impressions of the discussion "on point" thus far or have I overlooked anything of import?
How do you want the outcome to be?
1 - It was a racially motivated shooting? 2 - It was just a bad situation for everyone?
Everyone wants to have something to fight for... and I have a feeling that many are jumping on #1 because it gives idle people a reason to fight for something... whether they realize the psychology of it or not.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: How do you want the outcome to be?
1 - It was a racially motivated shooting? 2 - It was just a bad situation for everyone?
Everyone wants to have something to fight for... and I have a feeling that many are jumping on #1 because it gives idle people a reason to fight for something... whether they realize the psychology of it or not.
I tend to lean towards #2 (though I wouldn't arbitrarily discount the possibility that elements of #1 could be at play here as well). ...but even tragic mistakes frequently have subsequent consequences. Thus far, the only party who has had to tangibly deal with any consequences related to the incident is IMHO Martin who is obviously unavailable to speak for himself. However, Zimmerman is and could certainly clear up a great deal of the current supposition surrounding the incident if he did so.
I tend to lean towards #2 (though I wouldn't arbitrarily discount the possibility that elements of #1 could be at play here as well). ...but even tragic mistakes frequently have subsequent consequences. Thus far, the only party who has had to tangibly deal with any consequences related to the incident is IMHO Martin who is obviously unavailable to speak for himself. However, Zimmerman is and could certainly clear up a great deal of the current supposition surrounding the incident if he did so.
How likely do you think it is that he's racist, if in fact he voted for Obama in this last election since his registration card lists him as a Democrat?
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I fully blame Obama for making this nation-wide news... absolutely ridiculous.
I am QUITE sure that there will be mass-riots, and millions and millions of dollars in damages.
My parents were living in Washington D.C. back in the late 60s because my mom worked for the government then, and I asked my parents about something during that time, and they were telling me that after MLK was shot, they had essentially locked down D.C. Apparently the riots were so bad that there was the equivelant of 150+ million in damages throughout the city from rioting and vandalism.
I fully expect something assinine like this again, and I don't know why it keeps happening. Obama, the media, and radicals all have to blame for this... but of course, the media won't place blame on anyone other than Republicans... somehow, it'll be the fault of Republicans.
Todd
I don't think that you can fairly blame Obama for moving this story to the top of the national news section.
Wasn't it already at the top of the news when a reporter asked Obama about it?
Here's what Obama said, in full:
Well, I'm the head of the executive branch and the attorney general reports to me, so I've got to be careful about my statements to make sure that we're not impairing any investigation that's taking place right now.
But, obviously, this is a tragedy. I can only imagine what these parents are going through. And when I think about this boy, I think about my own kids. And, you know, I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this and that everybody pulls together -- federal, state and local -- to figure out exactly how this tragedy happened.
So I'm glad that not only is the Justice Department looking into it, I understand now that the governor of the state of Florida has formed a task force to investigate what's taking place. I think all of us have to do some soul-searching to figure out how does something like this happen. And that means that we examine the laws and the context for what happened, as well as the specifics of the incident.
But my main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin. You know, if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon. And, you know, I think they are right to expect that all of us, as Americans, are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves and that we're going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.
That strikes me as a carefully measured statement. He focused on Trayvon Martin, and not George Zimmerman, because Martin is the one who's dead. But he was very emphatic about getting "to the bottom of exactly what happened". So Obama has not put himself out on any kind of limb that he cannot climb back down from.
I don't think that Obama made a bad statement about this. Not at all.
I don't think that you can fairly blame Obama for moving this story to the top of the national news section.
Wasn't it already at the top of the news when a reporter asked Obama about it?
Here's what Obama said, in full:
Well, I'm the head of the executive branch and the attorney general reports to me, so I've got to be careful about my statements to make sure that we're not impairing any investigation that's taking place right now.
But, obviously, this is a tragedy. I can only imagine what these parents are going through. And when I think about this boy, I think about my own kids. And, you know, I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this and that everybody pulls together -- federal, state and local -- to figure out exactly how this tragedy happened.
So I'm glad that not only is the Justice Department looking into it, I understand now that the governor of the state of Florida has formed a task force to investigate what's taking place. I think all of us have to do some soul-searching to figure out how does something like this happen. And that means that we examine the laws and the context for what happened, as well as the specifics of the incident.
But my main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin. You know, if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon. And, you know, I think they are right to expect that all of us, as Americans, are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves and that we're going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.
That strikes me as a carefully measured statement. He focused on Trayvon Martin, and not George Zimmerman, because Martin is the one who's dead. But he was very emphatic about getting "to the bottom of exactly what happened". So Obama has not put himself out on any kind of limb that he cannot climb back down from.
I don't think that Obama made a bad statement about this. Not at all.
Ok, here's what I really think.
I know it was already a top-headline... and I don't /actually/ think that Obama would have said anything.
What I DO think happened, is his advisors (probably white) told him it would be a good idea to respond to comments on it... they probably gave him a canned response to give, and they wanted to make it look like he wasn't /really/ taking sides, but was being compassionate. I believe his advisors probably assumed it was a close and shut case, and that it would help gain sympathy from the left, and possibly independants by showing that there was still "work" that needed to be done towards racism, and that by re-electing Obama, that would somehow continue to "heal" America...
I don't believe for a second that Obama thought up any of this nonsense... but I do believe his aides did, and I believe that having not known the facts, this only served to seriously escalate things to the point that then the three Republican candidates also made comments on it, and now it's a big deal for the entire world.
I can't possibly imagine that this is racially motivated... I simply can't. The guy is a registered Democrat, pretty sure he voted for Obama, and he's also Hispanic. I know that being Democrat doesn't mean that you can't be racist... I know this because I actually know someone who voted for McCain last year that was a DIE-HARD Democat... always went on and on about how awesome Clinton was, and how horrible Bush was. Now he's a die-hard Republican and while he says he isn't racist (not outwardly so), he says Obama is a terrorist and can give no reason exactly why he doesn't like him.
Anyway, I think this is nothing more than a situation that went out of control, completely due to the arrogance and hype that the media loves to **** out, and then blown out of proportion from all the people who stand to profit from the tragedy. People profit from tragedy all the time... and I am no exception. Every time there is a tsunami that affects Phuket in Thailand, I buy stock in Cemex and other cement companies, and I always make a decent profit.
What Obama's aides had him do, and what Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson did is exactly that...
