Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: How likely do you think it is that he's racist, if in fact he voted for Obama in this last election since his registration card lists him as a Democrat?
Todd
I may be mistaken in this instance but I think Republicans/Democrats/Independents/Conservatives/Liberals/et al are still people, first and foremost. With that very obvious fact comes a plethora of human-based frailties, regardless of political affiliation, that we are ALL subject to. Theoretically, either man's politics (though obviously Martin was not of voting age) has little if anything to do with this unless there's some evidence that it was in the mind of one or both parties at the time of the incident. Unless Zimmerman voted for, say David Duke or Vladamir Putin, what difference would that make given the case at issue?
What's your point? I don't get it
Also, as far as Obama speaking about the case is concerned, it appears that he was asked about it by a reporter during a press conference (not an advisor or aide) and responded to the question. Whether or not you agree with his having responded to the question doesn't negate the fact that he was asked and he answered. As far as I've been able to assess his answer, it seems he was rather even-handed in his response and appeared to go out of his way to not assign blame for the incident to either party.
That's not his job anyway....it's the responsibility of our legal system to do that.
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I may be mistaken in this instance but I think Republicans/Democrats/Independents/Conservatives/Liberals/et al are still people, first and foremost. With that very obvious fact comes a plethora of human-based frailties, regardless of political affiliation, that we are ALL subject to. Theoretically, either man's politics (though obviously Martin was not of voting age) has little if anything to do with this unless there's some evidence that it was in the mind of one or both parties at the time of the incident. Unless Zimmerman voted for, say David Duke or Vladamir Putin, what difference would that make given the case at issue?
What's your point? I don't get it
Also, as far as Obama speaking about the case is concerned, it appears that he was asked about it by a reporter during a press conference (not an advisor or aide) and responded to the question. Whether or not you agree with his having responded to the question doesn't negate the fact that he was asked and he answered. As far as I've been able to assess his answer, it seems he was rather even-handed in his response and appeared to go out of his way to not assign blame for the incident to either party.
That's not his job anyway....it's the responsibility of our legal system to do that.
Others had the same question as I did about why Obama responded. And a White House aide specifically said that he had pre-empted that a question might be asked, so he had thought about it, and was prepared for the question (whether or not it would actually come). My belief is that his aides goaded that response that he gave for reasons of political gain. And my belief is that the question should never have been asked. Unless the president has a direct purpose involved in something, he really has no business answering something that is polarizing like this.
And my POINT, is that Zimmerman is not racist, and that this whole fiasco is the liberal media trying to encourage a crisis to boost ratings. There is NOTHING... NOTHING AT ALL that even remotely points to the concept that this was racist. WHAT PROOF does ANYONE have, what INKLING does ANYONE have that this was racially motivated?
On the other hand, there are literally DOZENS of indicators that would go AGAINST the argument that this is racist.
1 - We are told that only Republicans are racist, Zimmerman is a registered Democrat. 2 - We are told that only White people can be racist, Zimmerman is very clearly a mixed Hispanic (with distant black relatives), and not white of European descent. 3 - We are SHOWN that Trayvon is an innocent 14 year old, when really, he's a huge 17 year old (almost 18) senior with a history of getting into trouble... and homes in the neighborhood had been broken into 8 times in recent past. 4 - Zimmerman volunteered and tutored inner-city youths, most of whom were black.
... the list goes on and on.
What "facts" do you, or anyone else have that this was racially motivated? The "FACTS" are stacked heavily in favor of this NOT being racially motivated, yet the entire media circus, and every single black Democrat that I know believes this to be racially motivated. Incidentally, I actually know 4 black people (shock) that are Republican, and they think it's a media circus and that it's not racially motivated.
So do you believe it's racially motivated because you're a Democrat?
Honestly... I'm really sick of this race **** ... I really, REALLY am.
The job I'm currently in, do you know how I got the job? Because I listed myself as Hispanic.
I applied for dozens of organizations with the same credentials, and didn't get a single interview. I re-applied to all of those places 6 months later, but filled in the check box that says I'm Hispanic, and I got so many job offers, it was disgusting. It was a real kick to my ego... I felt like I had betrayed myself, but I wanted the job. I'm "technically" Hispanic because my mom is from Argentina.
I'm so sick of this racism **** ... really, I'm tired of it... it's bull **** . It doesn't exist except in small pockets in the middle of no where, and Sanford, Florida is not one of them.
There have been dozens of racially motivated shootings of white people in "black" neighborhoods, and no one gives a **** .
**** all of this...
I'm done with these stupid ass Trayvon Martin threads... even the one I started.
Now, if Martins Fathers Girlfriend (not sure how to properly write that) lives inside the community you can be sure she would have heard, and relayed the message to Martins father that he had been shot, instead the Family did not know he was dead fro 24 hours.
He was supposed to be getting Skittles for his soon to be Step sister, or Brother, but nobody called when he didn't show up?
Somethings fishy here guys. Really, nothing that the Martin side is saying adds up.
Brad
Dude, try connecting the dots. Trayvon's father's girlfriend lives in the community. Trevon was shot 70 yards from her place. Treyvon's cell couldn't have been over looked at the crime scene and all that was needed is to is scholl through and find Trevon's father's phone number. During this time Treyvon's father was looking for his son. I don't how long it took for Trevon's father to find out that his son was shot and killed, but givin that Trayvon was using a cell would've been the first thing to use to notify the father.
Dude, try connecting the dots. Trayvon's father's girlfriend lives in the community. Trevon was shot 70 yards from her place. Treyvon's cell couldn't have been over looked at the crime scene and all that was needed is to is scholl through and find Trevon's father's phone number. During this time Treyvon's father was looking for his son. I don't how long it took for Trevon's father to find out that his son was shot and killed, but givin that Trayvon was using a cell would've been the first thing to use to notify the father.
70 yards away, 210 feet. Why on earth were they, the parents unaware of something like this happening so close to their house? had to be a huge commotion! that’s only to or three house lots away in most neighborhoods. I know when a few physical altercations or people getting dragged off by paramedics for heart attacks have happened here most of the neighbors are out there watching.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Others had the same question as I did about why Obama responded. And a White House aide specifically said that he had pre-empted that a question might be asked, so he had thought about it, and was prepared for the question (whether or not it would actually come). My belief is that his aides goaded that response that he gave for reasons of political gain. And my belief is that the question should never have been asked. Unless the president has a direct purpose involved in something, he really has no business answering something that is polarizing like this.
And my POINT, is that Zimmerman is not racist, and that this whole fiasco is the liberal media trying to encourage a crisis to boost ratings. There is NOTHING... NOTHING AT ALL that even remotely points to the concept that this was racist. WHAT PROOF does ANYONE have, what INKLING does ANYONE have that this was racially motivated?
On the other hand, there are literally DOZENS of indicators that would go AGAINST the argument that this is racist.
1 - We are told that only Republicans are racist, Zimmerman is a registered Democrat. 2 - We are told that only White people can be racist, Zimmerman is very clearly a mixed Hispanic (with distant black relatives), and not white of European descent. 3 - We are SHOWN that Trayvon is an innocent 14 year old, when really, he's a huge 17 year old (almost 18) senior with a history of getting into trouble... and homes in the neighborhood had been broken into 8 times in recent past. 4 - Zimmerman volunteered and tutored inner-city youths, most of whom were black.
... the list goes on and on.
What "facts" do you, or anyone else have that this was racially motivated? The "FACTS" are stacked heavily in favor of this NOT being racially motivated, yet the entire media circus, and every single black Democrat that I know believes this to be racially motivated. Incidentally, I actually know 4 black people (shock) that are Republican, and they think it's a media circus and that it's not racially motivated.
So do you believe it's racially motivated because you're a Democrat?
Honestly... I'm really sick of this race **** ... I really, REALLY am.
The job I'm currently in, do you know how I got the job? Because I listed myself as Hispanic.
I applied for dozens of organizations with the same credentials, and didn't get a single interview. I re-applied to all of those places 6 months later, but filled in the check box that says I'm Hispanic, and I got so many job offers, it was disgusting. It was a real kick to my ego... I felt like I had betrayed myself, but I wanted the job. I'm "technically" Hispanic because my mom is from Argentina.
I'm so sick of this racism **** ... really, I'm tired of it... it's bull **** . It doesn't exist except in small pockets in the middle of no where, and Sanford, Florida is not one of them.
There have been dozens of racially motivated shootings of white people in "black" neighborhoods, and no one gives a **** .
**** all of this...
I'm done with these stupid ass Trayvon Martin threads... even the one I started.
There are so many assumptions made in your comment that it's hard to figure our where to begin.
(1) You consider me a Democrat. That's certainly your prerogative. However, I consider myself an Independent . How I define myself carries more weight with me than how you do.
(2) Anyone who thinks that Whites alone have a lock on the racism franchise is either incredibly naive or consciously chooses to have his/her head in the sand. People are people. As I've said before, we all have our respective nutjobs. Hispanics/Whites/Blacks/Asians/what have you are no different in that respect nor is any one particular group immune to it. Human nature.
(3) I don't have any unarguable facts that the incident was racially motivated nor do I have any evidence that it wasn't. That isn't now nor has it ever been the gist of my contributions to this discussion. Having said that, unless you're psychic and can see into the subconscious mind of George Zimmerman or have somehow obtained access to his diary, neither do you.
(4) Based upon your statements regarding how you obtained your present job, it seems you have more of an axe to grind than I do. I have no problems declaring to anyone who bothers to ask that I'm a Black man....but, then again, my self-identity does not hinge on that rather obvious fact. I for one, happen to celebrate my identity.
(5) I too know people that think racism played a major role in this case and alternately I know people who don't hold the same opinion. Again, human nature.
(6) This may start a bit of a firestorm but you are among the few Floridians I've ever communicated with that say racism doesn't exist in the state....other than in "small pockets in the middle of no where." I'm presently looking into relocating to the state and have been asking people of all ethnic backgrounds that actually live there what areas I should be considering. I have a rather ethnically diverse circle of associates and darn near universally, the matter of where I and my family would be least likely to encounter race-related problems has been made a part of the discussion. And I'm open to anywhere from Pensacola to the Keys.
We definitely agree on one specific statement you made.....I too am tired of discussing (and encountering) racism, both blatant and subliminal. I would be among the first to cheer the loudest should I wake up tomorrow morning and find it gone. But unfortunately, I'm also a realist and an amateur student of basic human nature.
Maybe in my granddaughter's lifetime, it might happen.
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And my POINT, is that Zimmerman is not racist, and that this whole fiasco is the liberal media trying to encourage a crisis to boost ratings. There is NOTHING... NOTHING AT ALL that even remotely points to the concept that this was racist. WHAT PROOF does ANYONE have, what INKLING does ANYONE have that this was racially motivated?
I Agree, I don't THINK Mr. Z a racist but he did in FACT assume TM was up to no good just because he was black, and wearing a hoodie, and that my friend is wrong. Unless, you can show where he called the police on non black males looking suspicious.
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What "facts" do you, or anyone else have that this was racially motivated?
Zimmerman: Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about. Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic? Zimmerman: He looks black. Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing? Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring… Dispatcher: OK, he's just walking around the area… Zimmerman: …looking at all the houses. Dispatcher: OK… Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me. Dispatcher: OK—you said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111? Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse… Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse, do you know what the—he's near the clubhouse right now? Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me. Dispatcher: OK. Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male. Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks? Zimmerman: He's got button on his shirt, late teens. Dispatcher: Late teens ok. Zimmerman: Somethings wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out, he's got something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is. Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything ok Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here? Dispatcher: Yeah we've got someone on the way, just let me know if this guy does anything else. Zimmerman: Okay. These assholes they always get away. When you come to the clubhouse you come straight in and make a left. Actually you would go past the clubhouse.
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So do you believe it's racially motivated because you're a Democrat?
Thats silly, Do you see everythng through Republican eyes ?
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Honestly... I'm really sick of this race **** ... I really, REALLY am.
Me too, Gawd..
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The job I'm currently in, do you know how I got the job? Because I listed myself as Hispanic.
It doesn't exist except in small pockets in the middle of no where, and Sanford, Florida is not one of them.
Actually, It does exist in small pockets in the middle of everywhere, and Sanford, Florida is one of them. You Just proved it with your own words.... (You ONLY got the JOB because of your race) ...What do you call that? Affirmative Action attempts to reverse the practice of NOT getting the job because of your race.
If you knew your History you could understand the why things are what they are today. The past shapes the present...Don't cha know.
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There have been dozens of racially motivated shootings of white people in "black" neighborhoods, and no one gives a **** . **** all of this...
Not True... but you feel slighted because those don't get national attention you feel they deserve.
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I'm done with these stupid ass Trayvon Martin threads... even the one I started.
Yeah, ME too! I done with this sheet. But when you make post like these I can't help myself. I gotta read it.
Zimmerman: Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about. Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic? Zimmerman: He looks black. Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing? Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring… Dispatcher: OK, he's just walking around the area… Zimmerman: …looking at all the houses. Dispatcher: OK… Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me. Dispatcher: OK—you said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111? Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse… Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse, do you know what the—he's near the clubhouse right now? Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me. Dispatcher: OK. Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male. Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks? Zimmerman: He's got button on his shirt, late teens. Dispatcher: Late teens ok. Zimmerman: Somethings wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out, he's got something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is. Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything ok Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here? Dispatcher: Yeah we've got someone on the way, just let me know if this guy does anything else. Zimmerman: Okay. These assholes they always get away. When you come to the clubhouse you come straight in and make a left. Actually you would go past the clubhouse.
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How do you get racial profiling out of that, am I missing something? sounds like he was answering questions andwas asked to describe him.
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In people's rush for vengeance - not justice - against Zimmerman, people completely unaffiliated with anyone involved in the case have been put in danger and forced to flee their home.
Spike Lee apologizes for #tweetfail in Trayvon Martin case [QUOTE]A tweet forced an elderly couple to flee their home and move into a hotel room after director Spike Lee incorrectly circulated to his 250,000 followers that their address was that of Trayvon Martin's shooter, George Zimmerman.
Since the tweet went out, Elaine and David McClain, 70 and 72, have gotten hate mail and unwanted visitors. Their son told the Orlando Sentinel they left to avoid the spotlight and possible danger.
Lee apologized in a tweet sent late Wednesday: "I Deeply Apologize To The McClain Family For Retweeting Their Address. It Was A Mistake. Please Leave The McClain's In Peace."
How does tweeting an address to a mob of outraged people help the cause of "justice?" How would you react if your address was posted online as Zimmerman's home? Would you welcome the attention? When he found out how stupid he was, he "tweeted" an apology.
Spike Lee, a vocal Trayvon Martin supporter, has settled financially with a couple whose lives were radically disrupted by his recent Twitter activism.
Lee, who has more than a quarter-million Twitter followers, over the weekend retweeted a Florida address said to be that of George Zimmerman, 26, the neighborhood watch captain who fatally shot 17-year-old Martin on Feb. 26.
While Lee was criticized up front for what some saw as a call for vigilante justice — some on Twitter threatened to tweet the film director's home address to put the shoe on the other foot — things took a twist when the address also turned out to be wrong. David and Elaine McClain, whose son is named William George Zimmerman, were forced to flee to a hotel to avoid the attention misdirected at their home.
"I Deeply Apologize To The McClain Family For Retweeting Their Address.It Was A Mistake.Please Leave The McClain's In Peace.Justice In Court," Lee said Thursday evening on Twitter, where he has since been silent. Lee had been tweeting and retweeting heavily regarding Trayvon Martin since March 17.
MARCH 29--The comedian Roseanne Barr last night tweeted the home address of George Zimmerman’s parents to her 110,000-plus Twitter followers, only to delete the posting after “not fully understanding that it was private not public.”
Yeah, I'm sure she didn't know it was public.
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Barr, who deleted her tweet in the face of criticism from some Twitter followers, noted that she first thought it “was good to let ppl know that no one can hide anymore.” That stance quickly changed, with Barr reporting, “But vigilante-ism is what killed Trayvon. I don’t support that.”
Same article. So which is it, you thought it was private, or you wanted to let people know they couldn't hide? She then unapologetically threatens to do it again...
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Still, the entertainer left open the possibility that she would again circulate the Seminole County address of Zimmerman’s parents. “If Zimmerman isn’t arrested I’ll rt his address again.” She added, “maybe go 2 his house myself.”
If she shows up at their home, I hope she's met at the door with a shotgun and told to GTFO in no uncertain terms. There are enough people out there screaming for retribution that someone is going to try something before long. It really drives home the fact that homo sapiens are not that far removed from the jungle when rhetoric like this can incite people into such a frenzy.
Originally posted by nosrac: Unless, you can show where he called the police on non black males looking suspicious.
And if he didn't, that does not mean he was a racist by default, it could mean that no non black males were wandering around in a suspicious manner while he was watching.
or he could be a racist, but the statement you made does not make either a 'fact'...
If she shows up at their home, I hope she's met at the door with a shotgun and told to GTFO in no uncertain terms. There are enough people out there screaming for retribution that someone is going to try something before long. It really drives home the fact that homo sapiens are not that far removed from the jungle when rhetoric like this can incite people into such a frenzy.
Last i heard he was in hiding. If he does escape being charged, or is convicted of something and let back on the street at any point in the future, he will have to change his name and move out of the area as i agree, too many people are only going to be happy with his head on a plate ( literally )
Most likely so will his family due to these idiots.
How do you get racial profiling out of that, am I missing something? sounds like he was answering questions andwas asked to describe him.
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Originally posted by User00013170:
And if he didn't, that does not mean he was a racist by default, it could mean that no non black males were wandering around in a suspicious manner while he was watching.
or he could be a racist, but the statement you made does not make either a 'fact'...
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Originally posted by nosrac:
I Agree, I don't THINK Mr. Z a racist but he did in FACT assume TM was up to no good just because he was black, and wearing a hoodie, and that my friend is wrong. Unless, you can show where he called the police on non black males looking suspicious.
"Use by law enforcement personnel of an individual’s race or ethnicity as a factor in articulating reasonable suspicion to stop, question or arrest an individual, unless race or ethnicity is part of an identifying description of a specific suspect for a specific crime."
"Use by law enforcement personnel of an individual’s race or ethnicity as a factor in articulating reasonable suspicion to stop, question or arrest an individual, unless race or ethnicity is part of an identifying description of a specific suspect for a specific crime."
He was asked to describe him, what would you say? He was October brown. Steve
Originally posted by User00013170: "Human of indeterminate race or gender in a jacket of undetermined design" doesn't go to far to help the police.
I realize that, you realize that most of the rest of the people who have posted on this thread have realized that. But nosrac doesn’t. Something tells me nosrac is Black and just thinks the way Jessie Jackson does that everything is a black and white thing. It isn’t this as Doni Said a tragedy. For both people the one who is dead and the shooter. Because the shooter isn’t going to get out of this alive if the blacks keep looking for Zimmerman to just string him up.
Sorry if I am wrong but he is getting on my nerves and the way he is posting sounds like he is just another Jessie Jackson or Sharpton
How do you get racial profiling out of that, am I missing something? sounds like he was answering questions andwas asked to describe him.
Here's how.
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Originally posted by nosrac:
Zimmerman: This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.
What did Zimmerman say again, "He looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something." Zimmerman had to add his "favor" to the mix by ratching it up a bit. Too bad that Martin was minding his own business while going to his father's girlfriend home and was killed.
Fox News commentator Bill O’Reilly lambasted the media Friday night, singling out MSNBC and CNN, saying the media "is exploiting the terrible death of 17-year-old Trayvon by convicting the man who shot him, George Zimmerman, of wrongdoing on television."
"It was pathetic watching the prime-time cable programs whip up the Trayvon Martin case to dangerous levels," O'Reilly said in his Talking Points Memo. "The media exploiting the terrible death of 17-year-old Trayvon by convicting the man who shot him, George Zimmerman, of wrongdoing on television."
O'Reilly speculated on what would happen if the Florida special prosecutor decided there is not enough evidence to prosecute Zimmerman.
"What if that happens? It could, because Florida's complicated stand your ground law has muddled the case. MSNBC, and CNN to some extent, have a vested interest in seeing Zimmerman punished because they have already found him guilty on the air. So they are not going to respect any verdict but guilty.
"Therefore, those entities tell the American public that racial injustice has been done if there is not a conviction, and that could very well lead to violence as we saw in the Rodney King case."
O'Reilly, who said he covered the 1992 riots in Los Angeles, reported that 58 people were killed and $1 billion worth of damage was done. "That absolutely could happen in the Trayvon Martin case.
"Leading the charge to convict Zimmerman is Al Sharpton."
O'Reilly then cut to a video of the civil rights activist's speech earlier in the week. "This is not about self-defense. This is about a man deciding somebody, based on who he was, was a suspect and that he would take matters in his own hands," Sharpton said.
Sharpton said that if Zimmerman is not arrested in Trayvon's killing, he will call for an escalation in peaceful civil disobedience and economic sanctions, the Orlando Sentinel reported.
Sharpton would not say what would be done against the city of Sanford, Fla., specifically, the Sentinel reported. A march at 11 a.m. Saturday is scheduled in Sanford, where the killing occurred, and civil rights activist Jesse Jackson is expected to join Sharpton at the event.
"Sharpton has, you know, a daily one-hour program on MSNBC and as I said has already found Zimmerman guilty on the air. Same thing with CNN commentator Roland Martin."
In a video on CNN, Martin says: "They gave George Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt because of who he is and they simply saw Trayvon Martin and I guarantee you in their minds they probably said, oh, young black kid, wearing a hoodie, George has got to be right. "
O'Reilly made a prediction, based on Martin's comments. "So you can see the racial animous is already being stirred up on MSNBC and that is flat-out dangerous.
"Pundits who have no blanken idea what happened that night are putting innocent people in danger by commentary based on emotion, not facts."
O'Reilly's commentary Friday night built on the theme of his Thursday night Talking Points Memo, where he said journalists are continuing to try the Trayvon murder case on television, regardless of the possibility that the coverage could spark racial violence.
“No media observer knows exactly what happened the night Trayvon Martin was killed,” O’Reilly said on Fox News. “Yet there they are, bloviating all over the place, exploiting the death of a young man, inciting violence against the system. Awful!”
O'Reilly said “many pundits” are demanding that Zimmerman, 28, be arrested for shooting the 17-year-old to death. “And we can now add Oprah Winfrey to that list,” O’Reilly began the Talking Points Memo.
O’Reilly cut to a short video, recorded earlier, of Winfrey comments.
“It is a tragedy and it is a shame. That we’re sitting here 33 days later and there hasn’t been an arrest or questioning of actually what happened. And it’s a tragedy and it is a shame and we all know it,” Winfrey said. “Black people, white people, yellow people and brown people all over this country and all over the world are saying the same thing: It’s a tragedy and it’s a shame and justice needs to be served.”
O’Reilly agreed that the case is a tragedy, but “Ms. Winfrey saying that there hasn’t been a questioning of what happened is simply absurd, and I’m surprised at her.
“Oprah is usually responsible and fair in her assessment and while you may not agree with her politics, her intentions are mostly good. But not on this one. The Florida special prosecutor is investigating this case and knows far more about it than Oprah or any other TV analyst who are demanding so-called justice.”
O’Reilly said Florida authorities will determine what happened, and take the appropriate legal action. “That could mean arrest and prosecution, or not. I don’t believe anybody’s corrupt here. When it comes to the pundits, I’m angry about the rush to judgment.”
But while he’s angry at the media, O’Reilly says Trayvon’s parents “should be cut some slack” and that they’re entitled to say what they believe.
Trayvon’s dad, Tracy Martin, pointed to racial profiling.
“I do know that my son was racially profiled,” Martin said, also in an interview recorded earlier. “I know that and the whole world knows that.”
O’Reilly said he respects Martin’s opinion and “the circumstantial evidence does point to racial profiling by Mr. Zimmerman, but that is not — not — a proven fact.
“And that’s what’s wrong with the media in this country. No longer do the facts matter. Accusations are enough to condemn folks. Press wants the story and doesn’t care who gets hurt in the process. Allegations become front page news no matter how flimsy they are."
Something tells me nosrac is Black and just thinks the way Jessie Jackson does that everything is a black and white thing. It isn’t this as Doni Said a tragedy. For both people the one who is dead and the shooter. Because the shooter isn’t going to get out of this alive if the blacks keep looking for Zimmerman to just string him up.
Sorry if I am wrong but he is getting on my nerves and the way he is posting sounds like he is just another Jessie Jackson or the other the other black rev.
Steve
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Originally posted by 84fiero123:
I find it hard to believe anyone about anything that lives in a van down by the river and has no job listed. Just how do you know about anything related to being injured in a fist fight/gunfight? Ever been in ether?
Steve
Dude, you're doing just what Zimmerman did. He too found it hard to believe that a Black guy in the neighborhood could be doing something "right." Zimmerman ignored the 911 dispatcher to prove his point as a neighborhood zealot with a loaded gun. Now you're trying to question me whether or not my comments in Don's thread are relevant when the knowledge is readily available even a "Cave Man" would know (or a 5 yr old). There's no need to try and attack me like I'm some idiot.
What did Zimmerman say again, "He looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something." Zimmerman had to add his "favor" to the mix by ratching it up a bit. Too bad that Martin was minding his own business while going to his father's girlfriend home and was killed.
Your mind is made up, nothing anybody says or does is going to change it. If you had read or watched half of what has been linked on this thread you would not make these baseless accusations about Zimmerman being a racist. I think you are calling the kettle black.
Not attacking you like you are some kind of idiot, you are doing a pretty good job of proving that all by yourself. 1. Have you ever been in a fist fight? I have way to many times 2.Are you a doctor or even an EMT? 3.Do you work in the medical field at all? He didn’t even know what color the kid was before he said he thought he was up to no good. You need to listen to that tape again. I find it hard to believe that a grown man can listen to what is said and not understand that Z didn’t know what color the kid was when he said he THOUGHT he was up to no good. At that point he just thought the kids actions not color made him think the kid was up to no good, no matter what color the kid was.
Your mind is made up, nothing anybody says or does is going to change it. If you had read or watched half of what has been linked on this thread you would not make these baseless accusations about Zimmerman being a racist. I think you are calling the kettle black.
Actually, it is you whose mind is made up. For you and few others here-there is no need to go beyond the 46 or so calls to the 911 dispatcher and the police video. All that is needed is to claim, "Stand your Ground" and you win by default. It really doesn't matter to you how many concocted stories Zimmerman uses that don't add up. In your mind-it’s all good.
1. Zimmerman was to meet up with LE at the club house yet the altercation took place far from it. Its okay because Zimmerman is claiming Stand your Ground rules.
2. Zimmerman alleges the altercation took place near his car. Never mind where the body is found.
3. Zimmerman head was being pummeled into the hard concrete so badly that a EMT felt the need to treat him with a bandaide. Stand Your Ground negates the need to go beyond this point.
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Originally posted by avengador1:
Here is an image of the neighborhood. I have circled the Club House (mentioned in the police report) and the sidewalk (behind the buildings)where the altercation took place in Red. This should help others visualize things a bit better.
Dude, try connecting the dots. Trayvon's father's girlfriend lives in the community. Trevon was shot 70 yards from her place. Treyvon's cell couldn't have been over looked at the crime scene and all that was needed is to is scholl through and find Trevon's father's phone number. During this time Treyvon's father was looking for his son. I don't how long it took for Trevon's father to find out that his son was shot and killed, but givin that Trayvon was using a cell would've been the first thing to use to notify the father.
I loled that the 3 different spellings of the same person.
Trolling to the max now, people are going too hard in this thread
Your mind is made up, nothing anybody says or does is going to change it. If you had read or watched half of what has been linked on this thread you would not make these baseless accusations about Zimmerman being a racist. I think you are calling the kettle black.
Zimmerman said he was headed back to his car. That is not the same as being next to it.
Also, it is not clear how much of the scuffle occurred on the sidewalk and how much in the grass. There were grass stains on the back of Zimmerman's coat.
Originally posted by 84fiero123: Not attacking you like you are some kind of idiot, you are doing a pretty good job of proving that all by yourself. 1. Have you ever been in a fist fight? I have way to many times 2.Are you a doctor or even an EMT? 3.Do you work in the medical field at all? He didn’t even know what color the kid was before he said he thought he was up to no good. You need to listen to that tape again. I find it hard to believe that a grown man can listen to what is said and not understand that Z didn’t know what color the kid was when he said he THOUGHT he was up to no good. At that point he just thought the kids actions not color made him think the kid was up to no good, no matter what color the kid was.
Steve
The info is common knowledge. The altercation Zimmer is claiming where his head was being slammed into the concrete is totally 100% You don't walk away from someone slamming your head into solid concrete and walk away with little or no external in injuries. Nasal films would be the least of a person's worries. A Subdural Hematoma could be happening.
Zimmerman claims to be near or at his truck during the alleged attack. The body was far away from the nearest street. "You can't ride two horse with one ass"-Dr. Phil.
As for rest of your questions- I don't know what to tell you. You can, "Go pound sand" (I guess?) for your enquires regarding me are not pertaining to what happened. What is important is how someone that claims he's not following, but ends up in a totally different place.
Who also claims to be in a fight so severe that his head was being banged into the concrete, but somehow needs just a simple band aide?
You need to seek those unanswered questions and don't worry about my business for I'm not asking for yours nor are you asking others on the forum.
"Use by law enforcement personnel of an individual’s race or ethnicity as a factor in articulating reasonable suspicion to stop, question or arrest an individual, unless race or ethnicity is part of an identifying description of a specific suspect for a specific crime."
Again for the people you can't read. What CRIME was being commited? Why were the police called in the first place?
The info is common knowledge. The altercation Zimmer is claiming where his head was being slammed into the concrete is totally 100% You don't walk away from someone slamming your head into solid concrete and walk away with little or no external in injuries. Nasal films would be the least of a person's worries. A Subdural Hematoma could be happening.
Zimmerman claims to be near or at his truck during the alleged attack. The body was far away from the nearest street. "You can't ride two horse with one ass"-Dr. Phil.
As for rest of your questions- I don't know what to tell you. You can, "Go pound sand" (I guess?) for your enquires regarding me are not pertaining to what happened. What is important is how someone that claims he's not following, but ends up in a totally different place.
Who also claims to be in a fight so severe that his head was being banged into the concrete, but somehow needs just a simple band aide?
You need to seek those unanswered questions and don't worry about my business for I'm not asking for yours nor are you asking others on the forum.
Why would anyone need to seek out answers, you already have them all lol.
While you are busy making stuff up, can you tell me which house Zimmerman lived in? Also, which house was Martin going to? Only 70 yards man, that's pretty close.
And then there was this.
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Originally posted by Red88FF:
How do you get racial profiling out of that, am I missing something? sounds like he was answering questions andwas asked to describe him.
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Originally posted by madcurl:
What did Zimmerman say again, "He looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something." Zimmerman had to add his "favor" to the mix by ratching it up a bit. Too bad that Martin was minding his own business while going to his father's girlfriend home and was killed.
You kill me... Do you seriously think that Blacks are the only Race of people that can be up to no good? What is wrong with you man!?!?
Again for the people you can't read. What CRIME was being commited? Why were the police called in the first place?
Well, trespassing would be the first thing that comes to mind. (Unless Madcurl cares to show me which house he was going to as that doesn't seem to be available to people that are not calling for Zimmermans death.
Public intoxication could be one if he really was high on something as Zimmerman reported.
The police would have to determine a crime, as Zimmerman was simply reporting a suspicions person, which is completely normal and legal.
I realize that, you realize that most of the rest of the people who have posted on this thread have realized that. But nosrac doesn’t. Something tells me nosrac is Black and just thinks the way Jessie Jackson does that everything is a black and white thing. It isn’t this as Doni Said a tragedy. For both people the one who is dead and the shooter. Because the shooter isn’t going to get out of this alive if the blacks keep looking for Zimmerman to just string him up.
Sorry if I am wrong but he is getting on my nerves and the way he is posting sounds like he is just another Jessie Jackson or Sharpton
Steve
Yes, I'm Black but what the frack does that have to do with ANYTHING. Dude PLEASE don't make me go there. Getting on your nerves? because in I keep calling out your I'm nothing like Jessie or Al so please don't put me in that camp or I will have to put you in the David Duke and Jim Crowe camp. Don't start none and it wont be none !
I realize that, you realize that most of the rest of the people who have posted on this thread have realized that. But nosrac doesn’t. Something tells me nosrac is Black and just thinks the way Jessie Jackson does that everything is a black and white thing. It isn’t this as Doni Said a tragedy. For both people the one who is dead and the shooter. Because the shooter isn’t going to get out of this alive if the blacks keep looking for Zimmerman to just string him up.
Sorry if I am wrong but he is getting on my nerves and the way he is posting sounds like he is just another Jessie Jackson or Sharpton
Steve
WRONG....HA HA...Nosrac is actually closer to a coco almond color than black I would say with maybe just a hint of mocca. I can say though that I agree with what Nosrac/Madcurl with this matter. Zimmerman profiled the kid without a doudt and his action where wrong. I myself think he should be brought in and held on murder charges. Of course this is just my opionion on the subject and like everyone elses opinion will not change a thing.
To take the guess work out of it....I am a white guy.....
Your mind is made up, nothing anybody says or does is going to change it. If you had read or watched half of what has been linked on this thread you would not make these baseless accusations about Zimmerman being a racist. I think you are calling the kettle black.
Sorry, but I'm just looking at the picture and listening the 911 call.
The 911 dispatcher ask Zimmerman, "Is he (Martin) at the Club house right now?" (1:00 sec into the recording)
Zimmermans response, " Yeah, and he's coming towards me right now." (1:02 sec into the recording).
Zimmerman tells the 911 operator, "He's running." (2:13 sec into the recording).
Sounds of the car door opening or closing (2:16 sec into the recording).
911 operator, "Are you following him?" (2:28 sec into the recording).
If you are following the time line @ 2:16 Zimmerman is opening or closing his car door and at 2:28 (12 sec later) he is instructed not to follow Martin.
911 operator ask Zimmerman, "Where do you want to meet with the officers at?" (3:00 sec into the recording).
911 operator, What address are you parked in front of?" (3:27 sec into the tape).
Zimmermans response, "It's a cut through and I don't know the address." (3:30 sec into the tape).
Zimmerman tells 911 operator, "Can you have them call me to tell them where I'm at." (3:57 secs into the reacording).
911 operator, "You want them to meet you at the mail box?" (3:47 sec into the tape).
Zimmerman, "Can you have them call so I can tell them where I'm at?" (3:56 sec into the tape).
Summary: From 911 operators, "Are you following him?" (2:28 sec into the recording) to ""It's a cut through and I don't know the address." (3:30 sec into the tape) to "911 operator, "You want them to meet you at the mail box?" (3:47 sec into the tape) to Zimmerman, "Can you have them call so I can tell them where I'm at?" (3:56 sec into the tape).
Clearly the mailboxes aren't located between the town homes and he (Zimmerman) was to meet with the officers at the mail box. The confrontation ended between the town homes. That's were the body was found.
Instead of Zimmerman remaining at the same location when Martin had ran passed him Zimmerman continued to follow. That is why he couldn't give a location and wanted the officers to call him so that he could tell them where his location would be (not where the mail boxes where) because he was still on the move following Martin between the town homes.
Zimmerman's actions indicate that he wanted to take charge of the situation. He became the aggressor and continually followed Martin. The "Stand Your Ground" Self defense can't be used if you're running around chasing the guy because if he's running he can't be a threat.
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Originally posted by avengador1:
Here is an image of the neighborhood. I have circled the Club House (mentioned in the police report) and the sidewalk (behind the buildings)where the altercation took place in Red. This should help others visualize things a bit better.
Well, trespassing would be the first thing that comes to mind. (Unless Madcurl cares to show me which house he was going to as that doesn't seem to be available to people that are not calling for Zimmermans death.
Public intoxication could be one if he really was high on something as Zimmerman reported.
The police would have to determine a crime, as Zimmerman was simply reporting a suspicions person, which is completely normal and legal.
Brad
Wow dude, really? Trespassing? It can't be trespasing if Martin is headed to his father's girlfriend home. No crime here to talk about expect the one the Zimmerman is trying to use.
The people that think you are a racist are going to think so no matter what you say, do, or even your actions.
They already believe that people are racists, and then just "prove it" by seeing everything as racism.
I believe that if Martin had been any other race other than black that this thread would not exist, a belief that has been proven by posts about other incidents involving similar circumstances, and opposite roles, or completely different races of people all together that have been almost completely ignored.
Wow dude, really? Trespassing? It can't be trespasing if Martin is headed to his father's girlfriend home. No crime here to talk about expect the one the Zimmerman is trying to use.
Oh, you know where she lives dude, really? I've asked you three times now man. Which of those places in that gated community is hers? Not telling me just says you are making this crap up as you go along.
Doni, I haven't read anything since I posted on page 1. I haven't bothered keeping up with this story, I just don't feel like it plays an important role in my day to day life.
Having said that, I mean no disrespect when I post the following two quotes, just found it awesome that PFF came out in full swing to prove you wrong.
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Originally posted by WhiteDevil88:
I have to wonder, do you read actual news sources ever? Any comment about Treyvon Martin murder?
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Originally posted by Taijiguy:
I doubt they'll ever know for sure.
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Originally posted by Doni Hagan:
....and that [tajiguy's post] is likely the extent of any discussion about it....here, anyway.
Just in: The voice heard crying for help on a 911 call just before Trayvon Martin was shot to death was not that of George Zimmerman, according to two forensic voice identification experts.
Before George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin on February 26, a 911 call recorded the voice of someone screaming. Whether that person was Martin or Zimmerman -- who police say claimed he was attacked by Martin before the fatal incident -- has been an open question since the calls were released by the Sanford, Florida police department. (WARNING: Above audio is disturbing.)
The Orlando Sentinel consulted two voice experts to try to settle the debate, and both came to the same conclusion: The cries could not have come from George Zimmerman.
One expert, Tom Owen, used voice identification software to rule out Zimmerman as the source. From the Sentinel:
"I took all of the screams and put those together, and cut out everything else," Owen says. The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent.
"As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's, because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare.
Another analyst came to a similar conclusion using different technology.
The voice analysis is the latest piece of information to cast doubt on the narrative, advanced by Zimmerman and his family, that the Neighborhood Watch volunteer was attacked by 17-year-old Travyon Martin. A police video this week showed no blood or bruises on Zimmerman in the aftermath of the incident, while Martin's funeral director said he saw no signs of a struggle on the teen's body.
Doni, I haven't read anything since I posted on page 1. I haven't bothered keeping up with this story, I just don't feel like it plays an important role in my day to day life.
Having said that, I mean no disrespect when I post the following two quotes, just found it awesome that PFF came out in full swing to prove you wrong.
I have to admit I'm pleasantly surprised at the number of responses.....not so much at the nature of some of them, however. As I tried to point out very early in this thread, the Martin case pushes several of the hot button issues so frequently discussed by both ideological bents on PFF.....i.e. the state of race relations in America, the debate over gun control, the power of the NRA lobby in formulating laws at the state level, the professionalism of law enforcement among others.
The debate has been enlightening thus far with only a few parochial personal attacks (something extremely rare on PFF) and limited demagoguery so I'm glad I was proved wrong in my initial assessment.
Now, let's see what the broader investigation into the case reveals. That's what all the protests were supposed to accomplish in the first place. As I said before, IMO anything else is simply showbiz.
[This message has been edited by Doni Hagan (edited 04-01-2012).]
But when you make post like these I can't help myself. I gotta read it. 
