It seems to me like you are the one saying things that have not been proven. Feel free to point out anything I have put that does not have evidence to back it up though.
As I said before, people that "came forward" a month after the fact and only talked to _____News are not witnesses, they are opportunist, and the things they say are not factual.
It seems to me like you are the one saying things that have not been proven. Feel free to point out anything I have put that does not have evidence to back it up though.
As I said before, people that "came forward" a month after the fact and only talked to _____News are not witnesses, they are opportunist, and the things they say are not factual.
Brad
I suggest YOU check your own opinion, as it isn't factual either . You have an axe to grind because of your own personal "false" arrest experience. This has clouded your judgement when it comes to Zimmerman being arrested and the events that have been revealed to have ocurred. The people that came foward, to talk to the news, had been interviewed by the police as witnesses, and even stated so. So who is trying to spin the facts now? Are you trying to say there were no witnesses now? You get upset when the news or witnesses stories don't match your view, so you try to discredit them by calling them false or made up, and yet you offer no proof of this. If I didn't know any better, I would think you are a liberal, as you are acting like they do when things don't go their way. This just proves that you are biased. You are unable to make an impartial decison based on the evidence being released by the media as itis revealed by the police and witnesses. As I have stated before, none of us is able to make an accurate opinion of Zimmerman's guilt because we do not have all the evidence in front of us. It also doesn't matter, because we aren't the ones that will ultimately judge him and sentence him if need be.I'll be perfectly happy if they find him guilty or innocent based on the evidence, witness testimony and the law, not public opinion.
I suggest YOU check your own opinion, as it isn't factual either . You have an axe to grind because of your own personal "false" arrest experience. This has clouded your judgement when it comes to Zimmerman being arrested and the events that have been revealed to have ocurred. The people that came foward, to talk to the news, had been interviewed by the police as witnesses, and even stated so. So who is trying to spin the facts now? Are you trying to say there were no witnesses now? You get upset when the news or witnesses stories don't match your view, so you try to discredit them by calling them false or made up, and yet you offer no proof of this. If I didn't know any better, I would think you are a liberal, as you are acting like they do when things don't go their way. This just proves that you are biased. You are unable to make an impartial decison based on the evidence being released by the media as itis revealed by the police and witnesses. As I have stated before, none of us is able to make an accurate opinion of Zimmerman's guilt because we do not have all the evidence in front of us. It also doesn't matter, because we aren't the ones that will ultimately judge him and sentence him if need be.I'll be perfectly happy if they find him guilty or innocent based on the evidence, witness testimony and the law, not public opinion.
So you can't point to anything I have posted that is wrong, instead personal attacks? Nice Douche move. This is the reason I keep everything close to my sleeve now. FU.
So you can't point to anything I have posted that is wrong, instead personal attacks? Nice Douche move. This is the reason I keep everything close to my sleeve now. FU.
Brad
So this is how you carry on an intelligent conversation? I have been able to back up everything I said, while you, on the other hand, have not. It appears that since you can't, and aren't getting your way, you need to be immature, call me names, and telling me FU. You have earned yourself a negative from me, for demonstrating the exact behavior of that you accuse me of being. I have a feeling you will be getting more from other members and I will encourage them to do so. If you can't back up your opinion with facts, that is all it is, your opinion and not a fact. Have a good day you sore loser.
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Originally posted by newf: 20 people that witnessed what exactly? What sub link are you looking at?
Don’t remember at the moment and really don’t care about this thread anymore. We had a member here on the forum who lost his little girl and to me that is more important at the moment than this. weloveour86se lost his little girl.
Steve
------------------ Technology is great when it works, and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.
This has to be the time for Honestly Guys...38 pages of speculation, tribulation and insults just lately ..Let's just leave it until the trial is over...no point in getting sore with each other over this
So this is how you carry on an intelligent conversation? I have been able to back up everything I said, while you, on the other hand, have not. It appears that since you can't, and aren't getting your way, you need to be immature, call me names, and telling me FU. You have earned yourself a negative from me, for demonstrating the exact behavior of that you accuse me of being. I have a feeling you will be getting more from other members and I will encourage them to do so. If you can't back up your opinion with facts, that is all it is, your opinion and not a fact. Have a good day you sore loser.
It stopped being a conversation when you attacked me personally. Sure, you win, enjoy whatever it is you won.
Don’t remember at the moment and really don’t care about this thread anymore. We had a member here on the forum who lost his little girl and to me that is more important at the moment than this. weloveour86se lost his little girl.
Steve
Wow I didn't know that and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not saying that I care about this thread (or any other) more than the loss of a members child.
I asked an honest question out of interest but completely understand if you (and anyone else for that matter) have other priorities.
My condolences to weloveour86se and his family at this time.
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Originally posted by newf: Wow I didn't know that and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not saying that I care about this thread (or any other) more than the loss of a members child.
I asked an honest question out of interest but completely understand if you (and anyone else for that matter) have other priorities.
My condolences to weloveour86se and his family at this time.
If you care then post in his thread, Would you like to offer the child comfort care?" by weloveour86se
As far as this thread goes, Nick is right let the courts decide.
If you were really interested in the FACTS you would look for them in the links I posted. Me I’m done here.
Steve
------------------ Technology is great when it works, and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.
The credibility of Trayvon Martin's shooter could become an issue at trial after a Florida judge said that George Zimmerman and his wife lied to the court about their finances to obtain a bond, legal experts say.
That's because the case hinges on jurors believing Zimmerman's account of what happened the night that the 17-year-old was killed. Zimmerman wasn't charged in the case until more than a month after the shooting, and the former neighborhood watch volunteer has maintained that he shot Martin in self-defense under Florida's so-called stand your ground law. Protests were held across the nation, and the case spurred debate about whether race was a factor in Zimmerman's actions and in the initial police handling of the case. Martin was black; Zimmerman's father is white and his mother is from Peru.
The questioning of Zimmerman's truthfulness by the judge on Friday could undermine his credibility if it is brought up at trial. It also may complicate how his defense presents him as a witness, said Orlando-area attorney Randy McClean, a former prosecutor.
"The other key witness, unfortunately, is deceased," McClean said. "Basically, Zimmerman is going to be asking the jury to believe his version of the facts. ... As the case stands now, his credibility is absolutely critical to the case."
He went into hiding in the weeks after the shooting amid an impassioned debate about the case, and his exact whereabouts since he bonded out of jail remain unclear. It also was not immediately clear exactly where Zimmerman would surrender.
Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder for the February shooting. He maintains he shot Martin in self-defense because the unarmed 17-year-old was beating him up after confronting Zimmerman about following him in a gated community outside Orlando.
Witness accounts of the rainy night that Martin was shot are spotty. There is no video of the fight, though photos released by prosecutors show Zimmerman with wounds to his face and the back of his head.
Zimmerman's credibility would be important if his attorney, Mark O'Mara, tries to get a judge without the jury to dismiss the charges based on the law, said Orlando defense attorney David Hill.
"If he was in on something that was not truthfully revealed to the judge, when there is a 'stand your ground' hearing, of course you're going to second-guess him," Hill said.
Both McClean and Hill said O'Mara would be able to challenge the admissibility of the bond revocation at trial by questioning its relevance.
Zimmerman was arrested 44 days after the killing, and during a bond hearing in April, his wife, Shellie, testified that the couple had limited funds available. Zimmerman took the stand at the hearing and apologized to Martin's parents.
Prosecutors pointed out in their motion that Zimmerman had $135,000 available then. It had been raised from donations through a website he had set up. They suggested more has been collected since and deposited in a bank account.
Shellie Zimmerman was asked about the website at the hearing, but she said she didn't know how much money had been raised. Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester set bail at $150,000. The 28-year-old was freed a few days later after posting $15,000 in cash — which is typical.
Prosecutor Bernie De la Rionda complained Friday, "This court was led to believe they didn't have a single penny. It was misleading and I don't know what words to use other than it was a blatant lie." The judge agreed and ordered Zimmerman returned to jail by Sunday afternoon.
"Does your client get to sit there like a potted plant and lead the court down the primrose path? That's the issue," Lester said. "He can't sit back and obtain the benefit of a lower bond based upon those material falsehoods."
The defense countered that Zimmerman and his wife never used the money for anything, which indicated "there was no deceit." O'Mara said it wouldn't be a problem to bring Zimmerman back into custody by the deadline.
The judge said he would schedule a hearing after Zimmerman is back in custody so he could explain himself.
Police in Sanford did not immediately arrest Zimmerman, citing Florida's "stand your ground" law that gives wide latitude to use deadly force rather than retreat in a fight if people believe they are in danger of being killed or seriously injured.
Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Trayvon Martin's parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, said his clients have always said Zimmerman should remain in jail until trial, which O'Mara said he believed wouldn't be until next year.
Crump was asked if he thought that if Zimmerman would be willing to lie about his finances that he would be willing to lie about what happen the night Martin was killed.
"We fully expect that the special prosecutor will make George Zimmerman's credibility be front and center in this entire case," Crump said. "And whatever dishonesty that comes forth by George Zimmerman that they can prove, you can best believe it will become the issue of this case."
The revocation of Zimmerman's bond also puts pressure on O'Mara not to delay the trial, McClean said.
"When your client is out on bond, the pressure is much lighter to rush to trial ... because your client is sitting at home," he said. "When your client is sitting at the Seminole County Jail, your client is going to want this resolved."
It must be noted that, when attempting to interpret George's actions regarding the funds, that he did disclose the existence of the funds five days after the bond hearing, during his first conversation with the defense about the fund. When the defense team learned of the funds, we disclosed this to the court and to the State Attorney's Office, and the money was transferred to the Legal Defense Fund which is now independently managed.
Of the original $204,000 raised by Mr. Zimmerman's fund, approximately $150,000 was transferred to the Legal Defense Fund. $30,000 was used to make the complicated transition from private life in Sanford, FL to a life in hiding as a defendant in a high-profile court case. The balance of approximately $20,000 was kept liquid to provide living expenses for the first several months as the legal process unfolds.
Since the independently managed Legal Defense Fund was established on May 3, supporters have contributed more than $37,000. Of this amount, $2,000 has been designated for household expenses. Less than $300 has been designated for fund management and fees associated with maintaining the conditions of the bond. None of the funds have yet to be allocated to legal expenses. Neither Mr. Zimmerman or the defense team has direct access to the independently managed Legal Defense Fund.
I don't see a problem with "Legal Defense Funds" being spent to live in hiding given the threats on his life. If I contributed to his fund, it wouldn't bother me at all. Of course, that has nothing to do with the legal aspects. I just hope this doesn't turn into "Palin's Clothes" and distract everyone from the facts of the case. Sure, it may hurt his credibility but if the justice system works the way it's supposed to, FL has to make the case and prove he's guilty. I really hope the trial is decided on actual evidence and not who the jurors "trust."
I found a great article detailing the last minutes of Obama's would be son's life. Paints a different pictures of the precious snowflake the media portayed.
June 7, 2012 What the Media Choose Not to Know about Trayvon By Jack Cashill
Unnerved by an unspoken mix of political bias and racial queasiness, the major media have chosen to know as little about Trayvon Martin as they know about Barack Obama.
As a case in point, consider this boy vs. man fable spun by the New York Times' Charles Blow:
A boy's blood had been spilled on a rain-soaked patch of grass behind a row of mustard-colored condominiums by a man who had pursued him against the advice of 911 dispatchers. That man carried a 9-millimeter handgun. The boy carried a bag of candy.
Blow was writing seven weeks after Trayvon's death. He had no excuse for missing the actual story. Worse, since he is a writer for the Times, his reporting has helped set the media tone worldwide
The media's willful ignorance was on display again this past week. In reporting this news of George Zimmerman's return to jail, more than a few media outlets showed the dangerously deceptive image of Trayvon as 11-year-old cherub. They did so in the assumption that the narrative was still theirs to control. It is not. The blogs, which have been doing the real detective work on this case, have long since taken control away from them.
The sites I have found most useful are the Daily Caller and theconservativetreehouse.com. What follows is largely culled from those sites and their independent contributors. By probing Trayon's background and parsing his social media chatter, they have put together a picture of a disturbed young man that begins to makes sense of the events that unfolded on that fateful rainy night of February 26.
6:21
Trayvon Martin is seen on the security video through the 7-11 window approaching the store from the direction of the Retreat at Twin Lakes. He had been staying there at the townhouse of his father's girlfriend, Brandy Green. In major media accounts, the helpful Trayvon ventured out in the rain in a mile-plus round trip to buy Brandy's 14-year-old son, Chad, some Skittles and Arizona Iced Tea. Not likely.
6:22
Trayvon, with his hoodie up, grabs two items from the shelves of 7-11. One is the Skittles. The other is Arizona Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail. The media avoid the name of the real drink -- possibly because of the racial implications of the word "watermelon," but possibly to avoid probing the real reason for Trayon's trip.
Trayvon, in fact, had become a devotee of the druggy concoction known as "Lean," also known in southern hip-hop culture as "Sizzurp" and "Purple Drank." Lean consists of three basic ingredients -- codeine, a soft drink, and candy. If his Facebook postings are to be believed, Trayvon had been using Lean since at least June 2011.
On June 27, 2011, Trayvon asks a friend online, "unow a connect for codien?" He tells the friend that "robitussin nd soda" could make "some fire ass lean." He says, "I had it before" and that he wants "to make some more." On the night of February 26, if Brandy had some Robitussin at home, Trayvon had just bought the mixings for one "fire ass lean" cocktail.
6:23
Trayvon pays for his purchases. He then appears to point to an item behind the counter, but the clerk seems to reject that option. Trayvon turns from the counter with a couple of dollar bills still in his hand.
6:24
Trayvon leaves the 7-11, but we do not see him walk in front of the store window back towards Brandy's home.
6:25
Three squirrely young men enter the 7-11, all of them with their faces concealed in part or in full. The clerk had to have been nervous. One of the three (Curly) takes off his hat and shakes out his long, curly dark hair. He is likely either white or Hispanic, or, like Zimmerman, a "white Hispanic."
6:27
Curly appears to be holding the two bills Trayvon walked out with. He approaches the clerk and buys two cheap cigars from behind the counter and then a third one as an afterthought.
6:28
Curly is the first of three to exit. The others will follow in a minute.
6:29
Trayvon, turning as he walks, can be seen through the window heading back towards the Retreat at Twin Lakes and Brandy's house.
7:09
Zimmerman calls police while watching Trayvon near the gated community's clubhouse, less than a half-mile from the 7-11. According to "Dee-Dee," the girl Trayvon was periodically talking to on his cell phone, he was ducking in out of the rain. She also said he put his hoodie up for the same reason. In fact, though, Trayvon had his hoodie up inside the 7-11, and he was walking in the rain when Zimmerman spotted him. The walk to this point should have taken 10 minutes.
It took 40 minutes. Some background may help explain why. Earlier that same month, Trayvon had been caught at school holding a bag with marijuana residue and a marijuana pipe. He was suspended for the third time that school year, this time for ten days. Trayvon may have been dealing as well. As one online friend had communicated earlier, "Damn were u at a ****** need a plant."
Trayvon was partial to "blunts," street slang for cannabis rolled with the tobacco-leaf wrapper from an inexpensive cigar called a "blunt." As a tribute after his death, one friend posted online a photo of a homemade badge honoring Trayvon positioned next to a blunt.
It seems altogether possible that Curly bought at least one of those cigars for the under-aged Trayvon and took those visible dollar bills as payment. Trayvon waited five minutes outside the 7-11 and did not leave until after Curly came out. In the 40 minutes before Zimmerman spotted him, Trayvon could have scraped the tobacco out of the cigar, replaced it with marijuana, and smoked his blunt.
"This guy looks like he's up to no good," Zimmerman tells the police. "Or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about." Trayvon was on drugs or had been recently. His autopsy showed the presence of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, in both his blood and his urine.
It is possible too that Trayvon was up to no good. "He's just staring, looking at all the houses," says Zimmerman. Trayvon had a history. On October 21, 2011, he received his second suspension that school year. A security guard at his school saw Trayvon writing "WTF" on a hallway locker. In looking through his bag for the marker, the guard found 12 pieces of jewelry, a watch, and a "burglary tool."
Zimmerman did the prudent thing by reporting Trayvon to the police. Ever since the Florida real estate bust, the Retreat at Twin Lakes had been troubled by vacancies, foreclosures, and renters of dubious repute. The community had suffered numerous break-ins and home invasions, the perpetrators of which were all young men, most of them black. "We report all suspicious persons & activities to the Sanford Police Department," reads the standard neighborhood watch sign at the community's gated entrance. If Trayvon did not fit the bill, no one did.
7:10
"He's coming towards me," Zimmerman tells the police about Trayvon, who is now walking towards his truck. He makes his first firm identification of Trayvon as "a black male." Adds Zimmerman, "He's coming to check me out. He's got something in his hands." Zimmerman sounds a little anxious: "Please, get an officer over here."
7:11
After Trayvon passes his truck, Zimmerman says, "**** , he's running." He is heading towards "the back entrance," says Zimmerman. That entrance is in the same general direction as Brandy's townhouse. A question that goes unasked is why Trayvon was running.
7:12
When asked by the dispatcher, Zimmerman agrees not to follow Trayvon, and his heavy breathing ends. "He ran," says Zimmerman. Even if running slowly, Trayvon could have made it to Brandy's house in a half a minute. It was only 100 yards from the truck.
7:13
Zimmerman is hesitant to give out his address. "I don't know where this kid is." He looks around to see where Trayvon has gone, fails to spot him, terminates his call, and heads back to the truck.
7:14 - 7:16
These are the missing two minutes. After receiving a call from Dee-Dee, Trayvon has come back to confront Zimmerman. Their final confrontation takes place 70 yards from Brandy's townhouse and only 30 yards from Zimmerman's truck. No one hunted Trayvon down. Although he has kept the drink and candy on his person, Trayvon does not have a blunt with him.
According to the autopsy report, Trayvon was 5'11" tall and weighed 158 pounds, the "ideal healthy weight" at that height being 160 pounds. He was not the skinny little boy with the Skittles that half of America still believes him to be. He was at least three inches taller than Zimmerman and only about 20 pounds lighter.
His home life a wreck, his school life in disarray, Trayvon had fallen victim to urban America's lost boy culture.
This culture, which the media also choose not to see, has been shockingly destructive. Citing Bureau of Justice statistics, black economist Walter Williams in a recent column notes that "between 1976 and 2011, there were 279,384 black murder victims." Of these, Williams estimates that roughly "262,621 were murdered by other blacks."
Trayvon had "statistic" written all over him. In the past year or so, his social media sites showed a growing interest in drugs, in mixed martial arts-style street fighting, in a profoundly vulgar exploitation of "bitches."
Trayvon posed for one photo with raised middle fingers, another with wads of cash held in an out-stretched arm. One YouTube video shows him refereeing a fight club-style street fight. A cousin had recently tweeted him, "Yu ain't tell me yu swung on a bus driver," meaning, if true, that Trayvon had punched out a bus driver.
Zimmerman never saw the cute little boy that the TV audience did. He saw a full-grown man, a druggy, a wannabe street fighter, the tattooed, gold-grilled, self-dubbed "No_Limit_Nigga."
Media obfuscation may still work in the court of public opinion -- it got Obama elected in 2008 -- but it will not work in a court of law. The truth will out. When it does, the major media will lose a good chunk of whatever credibility they have left, and our nation may lose a good chunk of its urban real estate.
I found a great article detailing the last minutes of Obama's would be son's life. Paints a different pictures of the precious snowflake the media portayed.
IF those assumptions are correct, it paints a starkly different picture than the one the media presented. I hope if it's true there's evidence to prove it in court.
I found a great article detailing the last minutes of Obama's would be son's life. Paints a different pictures of the precious snowflake the media portayed.
George Zimmerman's Wife Arrested: Shellie Zimmerman Charged With Perjury
"Records show Shellie Zimmerman in the days before the hearing transferred $74,000 in eight smaller amounts ranging from $7,500 to $9,990, from her husband's credit union account to hers, according to an arrest affidavit. It also shows that $47,000 was transferred from George Zimmerman's account to his sister's in the days before the bond hearing.
Four days after he was released on bond, Shellie Zimmerman transferred more than $85,500 from her account into her husband's account, the affidavit said. The affidavit also said that jail call records show that George Zimmerman instructed her to "pay off all the bills," including an American Express and Sam's Club card.
A state attorney investigator met with credit union officials and learned that she had control of transfers to and from her husband's account.
Jeffrey Neiman, a former federal prosecutor now in private practice, said cash transactions in excess of $10,000 usually trigger a reporting requirement by the bank to multiple government agencies – including the IRS.
"If Mrs. Zimmerman intentionally structured the financial transactions in a manner to keep the offense under $10,000, not only may she have committed perjury in the state case, but she also may have run afoul of several federal statutes and could face serious federal criminal charges," Neiman wrote in an email to The Associated Press."
SANFORD, Fla. -- It was once Florida’s tourism motto: “The rules are different here.”
And that is now once again holding true as this state’s permissive public records laws are clarified by Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester.
In the highly charged second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman, accused of shooting unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin, evidence that would ordinarily remain sealed from public view in many other states will soon be revealed for any and all to see. Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty. Police in Sanford say he told officers on the night of the shooting that he acted in self-defense.
Florida’s public records laws date to 1967, and while they’ve stood the test of time through a series of high-profile cases, including the trials of serial killer Ted Bundy, serial killer Danny Rolling and accused baby killer Casey Anthony – who was acquitted on all charges – Lester says 2012 is a different time.
“The majority of case law … predates the rise of the blogosphere, where the Internet has made news and opinion instantly available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week,” he writes.
Kerry Sanders is an NBC News correspondent based in Florida; click here to follow him on Twitter. Jamie Novogrod is an NBC News producer; he's also on Twitter. “Until recently, a change of venue would be sufficient to ensure that an impartial jury could be selected because the local print and television media would primarily focus on local news.”
So what new evidence can the public expect to see?
•Zimmerman spoke to law enforcement and those conversations, interrogations and interviews were likely recorded. While prosecutors claim they’re confessions, the defense says they are not. Soon, you’ll be able to read transcripts, and perhaps listen, too, and draw your own conclusions.
•Statement by Witness No. 9. Sources tell NBC News Witness No. 9 made some highly inflammatory claims about Zimmerman. They’re the type of claims, say those familiar with the recording, that may be off-topic but are an assault on Zimmerman’s character. For Zimmerman’s defense team, this witness may offer little in the courtroom, but sources familiar with the statements say they could be devastating in the court of public opinion.
•Zimmerman was given a “stress test” by Sanford police the night of the shooting. Sources tell NBC News he passed the test. Prosecutors did not want the test released because they say the science is suspect. While it’s unclear whether the test would be acceptable in a court of law, it’s about to become public, again for any and all to judge relevant or worthless.
•All the crime scene photos, other than those showing Martin’s body, will become public. That again will allow amateur sleuths to piece together theories of the crime and, as the judge notes, publish any and all opinions and conclusions on the Internet.
Defense Attorney Mark O’Mara said at a recent hearing the problem with making all of these records public is “we can’t control what the media chooses to publish.”
The lawmakers who long ago established Florida’s public records laws argued, in part, that the purpose of opening all files was to let anyone choose what they find important. Transparency, they argued, also holds everyone accountable, including the prosecutor, who by nature of the job has an established authority and presumed unassailable integrity.
But in an evolving Internet-driven world, Special Prosecutor Angela Corey believes it’s time for change. She says she’s going to take the public records debate to the Florida Legislature in 2013. She says she wants to change the laws established 45 years ago because she says lawmakers then could not have predicted the impact of the Internet today on our justice system.
I wonder if this is all being "handled" at a much larger level to bring about a nice calming "everyone will be served" outcome........it's beginning to feel............manipulated. Or is it just "the times" we live in?
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I wonder if this is all being "handled" at a much larger level to bring about a nice calming "everyone will be served" outcome........it's beginning to feel............manipulated.
I'm quite sure that this is really all that it's about...
Just wanted to show you guys that the mental illness know as "Liberalism" is not limited to south of the border. This is one of our Liberal party MP's view of the Trayvon Martin case, and why she believes we should have stricter gun laws up here in Canada:
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For those who have not followed the story, this was a young man who was going to visit his father. He was carrying a bag of Skittles, some sort of candy, and was talking on the phone with his girlfriend. He was unarmed, a good student and a young man whose parents were very proud of, not someone who was into crime and all the rest of it…
Talk about blinders, eh? This highly idolized lady by the left has been in the news before, the last two incidents being trying to force Canadian immigrants to assist with her political campaigns. You know, because she is liberal and obviously knows what is best for them.
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decision to step aside came only hours after the Toronto Star obtained a copy of an affidavit in which pizza shop owner Harjit Singh claims Sgro pressed him to supply food and workers for her campaign last spring. Singh, a father of three facing deportation from Canada, alleges in the sworn affidavit filed in the Federal Court of Canada in Toronto yesterday that when word of his arrangement with Sgro started to leak out, Sgro suddenly reneged on the deal and last month ordered his arrest and removal from Canada "to save her job."
[...]
It was recently revealed Alina Balaican, a 25-year-old stripper from Romania, was granted a ministerial permit to stay in Canada after she volunteered on Sgro's election campaign. Balaican's husband has told the Star that people with immigration problems flocked to Sgro's campaign office during the election. Sgro's problems are the focus of an investigation by federal ethics commissioner Bernard Shapiro, who is probing claims that she dispensed favours to Singh and Balaican and allegations that she had senior advisers doing campaign work while on the government payroll.
Too bad we can't just deport all liberals, and let common sense prevail in our countries.
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Bill Lee, Sanford Police Chief Criticized For Mishandling Trayvon Martin Case, Fired
The police chief at the center of the Trayvon Martin shooting case has been fired, according to sources who spoke with FOX 35. A spokesperson confirmed the news to CNN.
Police Chief Bill Lee was Sanford's top law enforcement official when George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin in February. Lee has been under fire for months for his department's handling of the case.
Lee submitted a resignation letter in April, but it was not accepted, and he has remained on administrative leave ever since.
Richard Myers, a former chief of police in Colorado Springs, Colo., has been serving as the town's top cop in the interim.
According to FOX 35, an official announcement is expected Thursday.
I just watched court tv showing the released video interogation of Zimmerman right after the incident. Later their going to show a police reenactment as described to them by Zimmerman. If hes correct, Martin was a total stereotype gangsta type. His parents are supposed to have a press conference later today no doubt telling you how he was a good volunteer bible school teacher.
They also said the police chief was fired. If I remember, the police chief QUIT months ago right after this fiasco started. I think technically he handed in his resignation and the city refused to accept it. You can fire someone who already quit months before.
wanna bet Sharpton or Jackson (or both) are on stage with them for their few minutes of fame too.
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George Zimmerman passed a pair of lie detector tests in February just one day after killing unarmed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.
The test results are part of the latest round of evidence made public by the office of Florida special prosecutor Angela Corey, who charged Zimmerman in April with second-degree murder.
Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty and said he was acting in self defense when he shot and killed the teen. Zimmerman submitted to a type of test called a computer voice stress analysis. The analysis underscores changes in speech to simple yes or no questions.
Here's what Zimmerman answered:
Did you confront the guy you shot? (No.)
And were you afraid for your life when you shot the guy? (Yes.)
While the video of one of the tests was released last week by Zimmerman’s attorney, the documents showing the results were only made public on Tuesday.
They show the person who performed the test determined Zimmerman “told substantially the complete truth” when he was questioned on Feb. 27, the day after the killing.
But the lead investigator in the case says murder Zimmerman could have defused the confrontation with the unarmed teenager if he would have identified himself as a neighborhood watch leader.
Sanford detective Chris Serino's written report says in a written report released Tuesday that Zimmerman verbally confronted Martin but didn't identify himself before the physical fight ensued and he shot and killed the 17-year-old.
Another investigator wrote that on the night of the shooting two lie detector tests given to Zimmerman found he wasn't lying about what happened. The results of such tests are usually not admissible in court.
The 28-year-old Zimmerman maintains that Martin attacked him and was beating him up before he fatally shot him. He has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder.
George Zimmerman failed to identify himself twice during a confrontation with Trayvon Martin and missed opportunities to defuse the situation that led to the death of the teen, a detective says in a newly released report.
Zimmerman, who served as a neighborhood watch volunteer, is charged with second-degree murder in the February 26 shooting death of Martin, 17, in Sanford, Florida.
The revelation is part of information Florida prosecutors released Tuesday. It includes a previously undisclosed portion of a video of Zimmerman showing injuries he said he suffered in the altercation with Martin.
Zimmerman, 28, told police he shot the teenager in February in self-defense and has pleaded not guilty. But Martin's family and civil rights activists said Zimmerman, who is white and Hispanic, racially profiled Martin and ignored a 911 dispatcher's advice not to follow him.
O'Mara: Tapes had to come out Among the documents released was a report from an officer who conducted computerized voice stress analysis tests on Zimmerman.
"Mr. Zimmerman was subjected to two exams, and was found to be classified as No Deception Indicated," the report said.
Also released Tuesday was an unredacted capias request, a request that someone be taken into custody, prepared by the lead police investigator in the case, Christopher Serino.
"Investigative findings show that (Zimmerman) had at least two opportunities to speak with (Martin) in order to defuse the circumstances surrounding their encounter," Serino wrote in the report. "On at least two occasions (Zimmerman) failed to identify himself as a concerned resident or a neighborhood watch volunteer."
The detective also said Zimmerman's actions "are inconsistent with those of a person who has stated he was in fear of another subject."
In the same report, Serino wrote that Zimmerman's injuries were "marginally consistent with a life-threatening violent episode as described by him."
Mark O'Mara, Zimmerman's defense attorney, said it will be up to a judge and jury to interpret what Serino's report means to the case.
"I don't want to get into a battle with investigator Serino's report considering what he believed after it seems he made the decision that charges should be filed," O'Mara said Tuesday.
"His suggestion that it's marginally consistent, again, is up for review. Those people will have to look at it, whether it'd be Judge (Kenneth) Lester in a motion hearing where the jury will also make that determination, whether or not those injuries give rise to a reasonable belief in George's mind that he was a victim of great bodily injury or potential death."
Martin's family attorney, Benjamin Crump, said he agrees with the detective's assertion.
"The lead detective made the determination at least on two different occasions Zimmerman had opportunity to defuse the situation. When he got out the car, he could have at least said, 'I'm a neighborhood watch volunteer' to defuse the situation and it's likely Trayvon Martin would be living today," Crump said.
Also released Tuesday was a previously undisclosed portion of a video re-enactment of the incident that police taped a day after the shooting.
In the video, Zimmerman, bandages on his head, talks about how his wife is treating his injuries.
"I have a broken nose. She says I could use stitches, but she'd rather not put them in -- as long as I didn't mess with my head. My skin is already healing nicely," Zimmerman said.
Also Tuesday, the Sanford Police Department announced that Serino had "voluntarily" asked to be moved from a detective to a patrol officer.
Sanford Sgt. David Morgenstern said the change is not a demotion and he said he did not know why Serino requested the move.
Crump said the move was clearly a demotion.
"The lead detective today got demoted and that's one of those things we have to question. He told what he thought was the truth," Crump said.
Zimmerman had been released on bond after his arrest. But he was ordered back to jail this month after a Florida judge revoked his bail, citing about $150,000 in donations in an account controlled by Zimmerman that he had not disclosed at the April 20 bond hearing.
O'Mara is asking Lester, a Seminole County Circuit Court judge, to set a bond similar to the $150,000 bond initially granted Zimmerman, arguing that he poses no danger to the community, is not a flight risk, and "cooperated fully" with police before his arrest.
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I don't think anyone will deny Zimmerman (and Martin) could have taken different actions to avoid the confrontation. The question will still be what laws were broken - not 20/20 hindsight on whether or not better decisions could have been made.
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I don't think anyone will deny Zimmerman (and Martin) could have taken different actions to avoid the confrontation. The question will still be what laws were broken - not 20/20 hindsight on whether or not better decisions could have been made.
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I don't think anyone will deny Zimmerman (and Martin) could have taken different actions to avoid the confrontation. The question will still be what laws were broken - not 20/20 hindsight on whether or not better decisions could have been made.
OK , Its all over now. GOD told him to shoot to kill. That settles it. As we all have been told on this forum over and over again, God loves guns.
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“I feel like it was all God’s plan,” Zimmerman told Fox 'news’ Sean Hannity in an interview that aired tonight, adding that it wasn’t his place to “second guess it or judge it.”
..Let's just leave it until the trial is over...no point in getting sore with each other over this 
I'm still here !
