The bottom line is that we don't know exactly what events occured to precipitate the shooting and we probably will never know. Zimmerman has the best defense a shooter can have, because he killed the only other person that could have stated what actually happened. If I was going to shoot someone, I too would make sure they are dead. Like the Pirates of the Caribbean ride says "dead men tell no tales". I will be the first to state that I wouldn't be surprised if they never arrest or try Zimmerman. I just don't like the way he stalked the teen and what he told the police dispatcher as he was doing this. It just sounded to me like he was setting himself up to shoot him and get away with it. He certainly covered his bases real good.
The bottom line is that we don't know exactly what events occured to precipitate the shooting and we probably will never know. Zimmerman has the best defense a shooter can have, because he killed the only other person that could have stated what actually happened. If I was going to shoot someone, I too would make sure they are dead. Like the Pirates of the Caribbean ride says "dead men tell no tales". I will be the first to state that I wouldn't be surprised if they never arrest or try Zimmerman. I just don't like the way he allegedly stalked the teen according to speculation and what he told the police dispatcher as he was doing this. It just sounded to me like he was setting himself up to shoot him and get away with it. He certainly covered his bases real good.
Fixed that for you to make it accurate.
Still waiting on that address Madcurl, whenever you are ready man.
Brad
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Hello a couple of questions I have. Trayvons girlfriend has not been interviewed by the police as she refuses, even when she says that she was on the phone with Trayvon while he was being as Trayvon said "followed" if this is true then the Police can look at Trayvons phone and see who and what times he was talking to someone. Also if his girlfriend was so concerned about Trayvons safety with someone following, why wasnt the family notified by her that Trayvon may be in trouble, as the police where unable to locate his parents until two days later of their sons death. During the time of his death and notification, his parents did not seek out the police by filing a missing persons report or even contact the Police of his possible absense of two days. Wouldnt you as a parent be going out of your mind if your 17yr old boy was not home for two nights. He was shot at 7:15pm 2/26 parents found 2/28. Yet the parents found the time to get his name copyrighted, (maybe not a fair statement, though it makes you wonder). This is going to get ugly!
Hello a couple of questions I have. Trayvons girlfriend has not been interviewed by the police as she refuses, even when she says that she was on the phone with Trayvon while he was being as Trayvon said "followed" if this is true then the Police can look at Trayvons phone and see who and what times he was talking to someone. Also if his girlfriend was so concerned about Trayvons safety with someone following, why wasnt the family notified by her that Trayvon may be in trouble, as the police where unable to locate his parents until two days later of their sons death. During the time of his death and notification, his parents did not seek out the police by filing a missing persons report or even contact the Police of his possible absense of two days. Wouldnt you as a parent be going out of your mind if your 17yr old boy was not home for two nights. He was shot at 7:15pm 2/26 parents found 2/28. Yet the parents found the time to get his name copyrighted, (maybe not a fair statement, though it makes you wonder). This is going to get ugly!
It already is ugly, Zimmerman will never make it to trial and IF he does he won’t get a fair trial because of all the media’s disinformation so far.
And if there are riots it wouldn't surprise me if they are spearheaded by Sharpton and Jackson.
Spearheaded? Probably not. Sharpton and Jackson will whip the crowds into a frenzy, but someone else, like the New Black Pather party, will be the spark to ignite the powder keg. Once the violence starts, everyone will join in.
I'm already seeing "No justice, no peace" posted to various other forums and comments about things not related to Martin's death. The narrative is becoming, "If you don't get what you want, take to the skreets!" We saw how fast that mentality can spread with OWS. The protest infrastructure is already in place. Our local OWS protesters added Trayvon to their playbill when this hit the MSM.
OWS is occupy wall street. This will probably end up in riots like after Rodney Kings Arresting officers were Aquitted. Just be ready to deal with angry blacks turning thier hate towards whites. I wouldn't doubt it if it turns into the Wisconsin state fair flash mobs. Be ready and vigilant .
And it is Illegial for a Reason too! I understand your reasoning but the Looking like a thug dosen't make you one. And Looking like a Thug is NOT a crime. Looking like a Hooker is NOT justification for Rape.
Profiling a person because they look like a thug is not racist, it's thugfiling. Like I said, if the person was a skinhead, with tattoos, and looked real shady, he would be profiled as a thug, not a white kid.
Looking like a prostitute is not justification for rape, but it is enough justification for the police to pull off to the side of the road and question them about it... just as Zimmerman did to Trayvon in the neigborhood.
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OWS is rioting? I thought they were too busy with sex and dumping where they sleep to riot.
Most of the rioting is taking place in California... though some in NY too. The perception I get is that it's more of a "rite of passage" for them. A lot of these kids have even been dressing up exactly how people did in the 60s when they were protesting the war... IE: partial Vietnam military clothes, and the girls all dressed bohemian. These are people that don't /really/ know exactly what they're protesting for, but that they want to feel like they're fighting for something.
People always want to feel like they belong to something, or stand for something.
There's a psychology behind everything...
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OWS is rioting? I thought they were too busy with sex and dumping where they sleep to riot.
I haven't seen any recent OWS violence, but I have seen this case become part of their ongoing protests and we've already seen localized areas where violence has erupted. I'm not predicting nation-wide riots, but when you stir up enough of a hornet's nest, someone is going to get stung.
The family of George Zimmerman, the Florida man who shot and killed Trayvon Martin, is offering more evidence that appears to counter claims that he harbored racist views against black people.
Ever since the tragic incident in Florida, charges have come from various members of the African-American community that Zimmerman's motivations for killing the 17 year old included racism against blacks. Zimmermann is Hispanic.
Now the Zimmerman family has released to the public a letter they wrote to the NAACP which recounts the efforts George Zimmerman took to seek justice for a homeless black man several years ago.
A controversy arose after it was reported the homeless man was beaten by local police officers. In their letter, the family says it was Zimmerman who led a campaign on behalf of the homeless man to call for the officers to be brought to justice:
"Do you know the individual that stepped up when no one else in the black community would?” the Zimmerman family member asked in the letter to NAACP president Turner Clayton.
“Do you know who spent tireless hours putting fliers on the cars of persons parked in the churches of the black community? Do you know who waited for the church‐goers to get out of church so that he could hand them fliers in an attempt to organize the black community against this horrible miscarriage of justice? Do you know who helped organize the City Hall meeting on January 8th, 2011 at Sanford City Hall??”
“That person was GEORGE ZIMMERMAN,” the letter insisted. “Ironic isn’t it?”
The letter, dated March 26, 2012, concludes with a challenge to the NAACP leader: "It's time for you to end the race issue in this matter and call for cooler heads to prevail ... There will be a press release with a copy of this letter mailed to the media, but I am going to give you a head-start in doing the right thing. The actions of the NAACP on this will help the world decide whether your organization is in fact racist or if it is for the greater good of society."
Originally posted by avengador1: “Do you know who spent tireless hours putting fliers on the cars of persons parked in the churches of the black community? Do you know who waited for the church‐goers to get out of church so that he could hand them fliers in an attempt to organize the black community against this horrible miscarriage of justice? Do you know who helped organize the City Hall meeting on January 8th, 2011 at Sanford City Hall??”
Soooo he wasn't going to church then...Just as I suspected, he's also satanic!
Recently, CNN enhanced the audio of George Zimmerman — the man who shot Trayvon Martin — to try and determine if he did, in fact, use a racial slur while calling police on the night of the shooting. Back then, it sounded like Zimmerman might have used the phrase “fu**ing coons,” and his critics have cited it as evidence of a racially-motivated attack. But now CNN has enhanced the audio again, and the reporter is casting doubts that the term was used.
“It certainly sounds like that word to me,” Gary Tuckman said when the audio was first enhanced. But after the latest enhancement, he’s not so sure:
“Now it does sound less like that racial slur. … From listening in this room, and this is a state-of-the-art room, it doesn’t sound like that slur anymore. It sounds like … we‘re hearing the swear word at first and then the word ’cold.’ And the reason some say that would be relevant, is because it was unseasonably cold in Florida that night and raining.”
The audio expert agreed it sounded like “cold,” and said the new method gets rid of a lot more background noise but doesn’t change the voice or words.
Watch the segment below, which includes the initial audio enhancement and the new one:
If only this poor guy was holding an iced tea and skittles maybe Obama would comment on this unwarrented racially motivated assault. Oh wait, because he's white, this attack is totally acceptable. And according the black community, probably his great great grandparents did something to his assaulters great great grandparents sometime in the past so not only is it acceptable, it's warrented.
If only this poor guy was holding an iced tea and skittles maybe Obama would comment on this unwarrented racially motivated assault. Oh wait, because he's white, this attack is totally acceptable. And according the black community, probably his great great grandparents did something to his assaulters great great grandparents sometime in the past so not only is it acceptable, it's warrented.
Hello, Hmmm his head hits the pavement with big thud. Im sure similiar to what happened to Zimmerson, and the bigger and heavier white guy gets hit by looks like lighter weight black guy also similiar. It looks as the white guy is unprepared for the attack and in disbelieve of what just happened to him. Im sure while he he was on the ground stunned that he could have been jumped on and hit further again similiar what could have happened to Zimmerson. Just aweful!!!
While Mr. Watts was down the boys kicked him, over and over, shouting, "[Get] that white [man]. This is for Trayvon ... Trayvon lives, white [man]. Kill that white [man]," according to a police report.
While Mr. Watts was down the boys kicked him, over and over, shouting, "[Get] that white [man]. This is for Trayvon ... Trayvon lives, white [man]. Kill that white [man]," according to a police report.
Well there's one count of violence incited by the Zimmerman case. It's so hard to tell if it was racism, though. Maybe they were just misunderstood? There will be more bloodshed before this is over and every one race baiting this case bear moral responsibility for blood spilled "for Trayvon."
Safe to say that the media has destroyed George Zimmerman. They set out to destroy George Zimmerman, and they’ve done it. It’s unconscionable what they’ve done. George Zimmerman doesn’t have a microphone, can’t fight back. He was just singled out and destroyed. The third network has come forward today and admitted that their original interpretation of a tape involving words spoken by Zimmerman may now not be correct. The third network. The first was NBC, which admitted doctoring a 911 tape. This is not an accident that takes place in the hustle and bustle of putting together a newscast.
This was a purposeful, racist, hate-oriented decision by a major American network to lie to the American people about a person involved in the Trayvon Martin case, George Zimmerman. Then ABC puts out police video where they claim there’s no sign of injury here to Zimmerman. There’s no sign of anything he says. He says his head was beaten against the ground, got a bloody nose, there’s no sign of that. Then all of a sudden ABC decides that they’re gonna enhance the video, and they say that they strip a layer away — this is police video, by the way, now — and that all of a sudden, lo and behold, there is evidence of injury on the back of George Zimmerman’s head. Now it is CNN saying that after enhancing the audio of Zimmerman's 911 call, they don't think he used a racial slur after all. The original report said the first inaccurate reports from the rooftops -- meaning that they just screamed this -- is that George Zimmerman referred to Trayvon Martin as a... well, how do I say this? Two words, the F-bomb. Gee, I'm not even comfortable saying what they said he said. It turns out that now they've enhanced the audio. They took it into a different room. Gary Tuchman at CNN, (paraphrasing) "We took it into a different room and we listened to it, and now it's pretty obvious he didn't say what we thought he said. There was no racial slur." As a result of this, the entire basis on which the mainstream media has been reporting this story has been shown to be a total lie and made up. They wanted there to be a racial component to this so bad that the New York Times referred to Zimmerman as a "white Hispanic" for only the fifth time that anybody could find in the New York Times archives... The word that they said that Zimmerman used to describe Trayvon Martin rhymes with goon. Do you know what it is? Dawn's looking like she doesn't know what it is. Okay, James told you. Rhymes with goon. Rhymes with June. Rhymes with moon. The second syllable of the name of an animal has this word in it. Folks, do you realize that the entire foundation of this story has now been blown up across three networks, by their own admission, after the fact, long after all the damage was done. And over at Politico, you don't even find any reference to NBC's apology or admission that they did something wrong. You find one little reference to it in a media blog, ostensibly. RUSH: Recently, ladies and gentlemen, CNN enhanced audio of George Zimmerman, the man who shot Trayvon Martin, to try and determine if Zimmerman did in fact use a racial slur while calling the cops on the night of the shooting. Back then, when CNN first examined the tape, it sounded like Zimmerman might have used the phrase... (sigh) The F-bomb i-n-g and a word that rhymes with "goons." How about "freaking raccoons"? That's what they thought he said (minus the "rac") and his critics have cited that as evidence of a racially motivated attack, along with NBC's now-edited 911 tape, which has been firmly established to have been edited in such a way to make it look like Zimmerman said something he didn't say.
He did not characterize Trayvon Martin until he was asked, and he was given multiple choice.
But now CNN has enhanced the audio again, and the reporter is casting doubts that the term was used. Gary Tuchman said, when the audio was first enhanced, "It certainly sounds like that word to me," the "raccoon" word. But after the latest enhancement, Tuchman isn't so sure. Now it does sound less like that racial slur. This a couple days after NBC admitted that they doctored this tape and then flimsily apologized for it, here comes CNN. So it's three networks now who had to say that what they originally reported wasn't true and each of these three reports have retracted the racial component. Without this racial component, without these fake media reports, you don't have a racial story here. These three media reports are the only reason we're talking about a racial story. That and the fact that the race industry saw an opportunity and jumped into it. Shelby Steele in the Wall Street Journal has a column today. He says this kind of thing makes the race industry happy because it allows them to continue to pontificate from this stage they live on. So Tuchman said so: "Yeah, it does sound less like that racial slur, from listening in this room -- and this is a state-of-the-art room. It doesn't sound like that racial slur anymore.
"Sounds like we're hearing the swear word the first and then the word 'cold'" instead of the "raccoon" word. So that Zimmerman said, "Gee, it's freaking cold." And it was unseasonably cold and wet in Sanford, Florida, that night. And Tuchman says, "And the reason some say that would be relevant is because it was unseasonably cold in Florida that night." The audio expert agreed it sounded like "cold" and said "the new method gets rid of a lot more background noise but doesn't change the voice or the words." Well, the whole case has collapsed here. The whole racial aspect of the case, made by the media, has apparently just collapsed, folks. RUSH: Let's go to the CNN piece, the audio. I'm not through with the racial component here of this Trayvon Martin story. The whole aspect of this being racial is repulsive. It need not have ever been. It was instituted, introduced by the media. It's all fallen apart now, and I want to expand on that, but I've been talking about the CNN stuff long enough. Let me get to this here. We're gonna start with Wolf Blitzer. This was last night on Anderson Cooper 10. Wolf Blitzer was filling in for Anderson Cooper, who was at the nail salon. And during a discussion about the newly enhanced audio for the 911 call, Blitzer and Jeffrey Toobin had this exchange.
BLITZER: It's a major issue as far as the Justice Department is concerned, that word, whether it was a bad word or simply saying, eh, eh, it was cold -- uh, "f-ing cold" -- because the Justice Department presumably wouldn't get involved in a civil rights case if the word is "cold."
TOOBIN: The only way the federal government has jurisdiction over this homicide is if they can prove there was some sort of racial hostility at the core of it. This is obviously very important. It's not the only piece of evidence in the case. The Justice Department presumably will investigate every aspect of this. But certainly if the word is "cold," not c-o-o-n, that is highly relevant.
RUSH: Really? Really? So the original report, because the original hearing of the tape sound like he's an "F-ing raccoon," but now if the word's "cold," why, there's no racial component. Oh, no! Oh, no! That means the Feds can't get involved! Oh, no. It also means the whole premise under which this was reported was wrong. So then on Anderson Cooper 10 they played a portion of correspondent Gary Tuchman's report, where he played an isolated part of the 9/11 call from Zimmerman to the cops the night Trayvon Martin was shot, believing it showed Zimmerman saying a racial slur. Here's Gary Tuchman.
TUCHMAN: Rick, can we play just that second word, what we think the second word is and see if it sounds any different. Okay?
ZIMMERMAN: (garbled word repeating)
TUCHMAN: I mean, it certainly sounds like that word to me, although you just can't be sure.
ZIMMERMAN: (garbled word repeating)
TUCHMAN: That sounds even more like the word than using it when it was with the "F-word" before that.
RUSH: Right. Right. Well, last night CNN enhanced the audio like NBC revisited their purposely doctored tape and like ABC enhanced their video. CNN enhanced the audio and they now conclude that Zimmerman was merely saying the word "cold."
TUCHMAN: Let's play it a few times.
ZIMMERMAN: Cold... Cold... Cold... Cold...
TUCHMAN: Now, it does sound less like that racial slur. Last time I acknowledged possibility it can have that slur. From listening in this room -- and this is state-of-the-art room, it doesn't sound like that slur anymore. It sounds like -- and we wanted to leave it up to the viewer, but it sounds like -- we're hearing the swear word at first and the word "cold." And the reason some say that would be relevant is because it was unseasonably cold in Florida that night and raining.
RUSH: Oh, give us... "And some say this would be relevant." The reason some people are saying it would be relevant, because you mighta gotten it wrong! It's a big difference if the word's "cold" instead of the other one because then the Justice Department has no reason to get involved. I remember -- and I wasn't the only one, folks. There were a lot of people when this story broke who said, "Don't forget the Duke lacrosse case." Don't forget it. We know who the media are, we know who the race hustlers are, and we know that they salivate over stories like this. But the racial angle is repulsive no matter how you look at this.
Even if Zimmerman were a Klansman, he wouldn't be guilty for shooting somebody who was beating him savagely. If Trayvon Martin were a Black Panther, it would still be wrong for Zimmerman to shoot him if he was not defending himself. We are supposed to have blind justice! It is not supposed to matter. The racial component here is not supposed to matter. We have a dead teenager. We have a dead American. We have somebody who shot him. We still don't know the details. All we have are a bunch of networks and race hustlers trying to create a stereotype out of this, going so far as the New York Times referring to Zimmerman (who's a Democrat, by the way) as a "white Hispanic" just to create the template or the narrative or the whole stereotype, if you will.
Race is being injected into this case to enrich the race-baiters, to whip up the Democrat base, to sell newspapers, to try to enhance television network audience, and to lay the groundwork for double jeopardy in case Zimmerman escapes state prosecution. Because with race, you can claim civil rights violations. You get the Feds involved here, Eric the Red and the DOJ to go in there for a second time on the same crime. If you lose the first time, you get DOJ in there on a civil rights violation. I am still willingly naive. In all the years that I have been on the radio, it has never considered to me to do what NBC did with a piece of audio.
It never occurred to me just to make a point or just to further my agenda. What good is it if it's a lie? And had I, can you imagine? But it never even occurs to me. These people, not only does it occur to them, it's one of the first things they think about! They see a story with a black teenager, and that's all it is. They're off to the races. In their mind, "Let's manufacture this. Do we have an element here where we can manufacture a race hate crime out of this?" Because that's what they think this country is. This is the real bottom line. NBC, CNN, ABC, that's what they think of America. That's what this country is still like.
RUSH: Craig Sonner is the lawyer for George Zimmerman. And he was on CNN Piers Morgan Tonight. Is Piers Morgan on before what's his name, Anderson Cooper? Piers Morgan replaced Larry King, so it's nine o'clock. That would be right, because I think Erin Burnett's on at eight, then Anderson Cooper when he's not at the nail salon is on at ten, and Piers Morgan's on at nine. What I'm getting at is I wonder if this aired before CNN announced that their latest enhancement to the audio found out that Zimmerman didn't say what everybody thought. Let's listen to the sound bites. Piers Morgan said, "If he was acting as a Neighborhood Watch official, then you would accept the fact he should not have been carrying a weapon, or indeed using it. Is that right?"
SONNER: The one thing we know as a fact is that George Zimmerman was attacked by Trayvon Martin. He was punched in the nose. His head was beaten on the ground, and he acted in self-defense when Trayvon Martin was shot.
RUSH: Piers Morgan then says, (imitating Morgan) "But they are suppositions; they are not facts. That's not a fact. I'm a journalist, and I know facts, and that's not a fact. That's supposition based on what George Zimmerman has told you, and the police, but in terms of facts, evidence, that's still not clear. It's not factual evidence yet."
SONNER: That's right. That's why I'm telling everyone to wait before you rush to judgment. Wait 'til the facts come in. Wait 'til this goes to court. Wait 'til the facts come in, admissible evidence in court, not what's admissible evidence in public opinion, because what's admissible in public opinion are doctored 911 tapes and whatever anyone else wants to say about George Zimmerman. It's been open season on just destroying this man's credibility, destroying who he was. He can no longer go back to the person he was, being involved in his community, mentoring children. You've destroyed him. The media has just absolutely destroyed him, unfairly, and the conclusions you're drawing in your questions to me show that you've already reached that same conclusion, too.
RUSH: Yep. Exactly right. Piers Morgan. Somebody, their first name is Piers, it's like unfinished bridges. It's like his parents really wanted to name him Bridges Morgan and they looked out the window and all they saw was "piers"? I don't know. At any rate, did you notice how calm this guy is about what's happened to his client? They did destroy him, but doctoring these tapes by major media. You take the First Amendment away, this is criminal stuff, folks. It's real hard criminal stuff, if you take the First Amendment and the freedom of the press away from this. This wasn't accidental editing in a hurry. They got what they wanted. All this stuff's on tape. Didn't air live. It couldn't have aired live because it isn't what happened.
This is ridiculous, the UN is a joke... total joke.
Stop giving money to warlords, and then maybe people will take them seriously.
I do think it's UNBELIEVABLY hilarious though that suddenly the world now recognizes that being Hispanic is not a race. I mean... the entire United States except maybe New York and Florida think that if you're Hispanic, you're Mexican.
Since it suits the media now... they are openly admitting that Zimmerman is White-Hispanic.
After this case is over, all Hispanics immediately go back to being Mexican again.
Originally posted by twofatguys: If it comes out that this kid was actually up to no good are there going to be apologies from the people that screamed racism? Brad
I guess we should start referring to President Obama as a "White-African-American." Maybe we can have the UN monitor our elections this fall, too, to make sure it's not racially skewed against Obama.
Originally posted by twofatguys: If it comes out that this kid was actually up to no good are there going to be apologies from the people that screamed racism? Brad
No, there won't be any apologies. Look the Duke lacrosse case. A black woman hired to work as a stripper at a frat party accused 3 white men at the party of locking her in the bathroom and raping her. Virtually the entire college faculty, campus groups, et al, came out to call for Justice for Crystal Gail Mangum. Then, as now, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were on the scene decrying the racist white boys and pledging to pay for Mangum's college tuition at Shaw University since she was just a victim who was trying to put herself through school.
Google the "Group of 88" - a group of 88 Duke professors who "placed an ad in The Chronicle referring to the circumstances surrounding the allegations as a "social disaster" and quoting primarily anonymous individuals citing racism and sexism in the Duke community. The advertisement concluded, "We're turning up the volume [...] To the students speaking individually and to the protestors making collective noise, thank you for not waiting and for making yourselves heard," and "These are the students shouting and whispering about what happened to this young woman."
Some professors who had some of the accused players in their classes gave them failing grades in retaliation. (When the student sued, it was settled out of court with "undisclosed terms" other than the F was changed to a P.
What happened when Mangum's story kept changing and DNA evidence proved the accused were innocent? The DA trying the case was fired, disbarred and convicted of withholding evidence and the Attorney General went on TV in the unprecedented case to officially declare the players "INNOCENT" and formally dismiss all charges. (they NEVER use the word innocent - this is how compelling the evidence was)
And what did you hear from the mobs screaming for Justice for Crystal?
NOT A DAMN THING.
They just move on to the next thing to claim outrage over.
You can expect the same if Zimmerman is not found guilty.
Oh, and as a side note, Crystal Gail Mangum is back in the news again. She stabbed her boyfriend to death and is now in jail awaiting trail for murder.
The only way to get past this issue is for whites to fight blacks to the death.
Hispanics can sit it out and go to Mexico ONLY if they are black-ish, white Hispanics have to fight blacks. Jews have to fight on the white side, most will run away back to the holy land just cause they're pansies.
Milk chocolate/ almond colored Muslims will of course blow everyone to hell, the whiter ones will escape to Europe.
Canada will close their borders to American trouble makers.
Aaaand we're all gonna die+ this country will end up being an Iranian satelite.
Clearly this is how it'll go down
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After this case is over, all Hispanics immediately go back to being Mexican again.
Hispanics take it as an insult to be referred to as being from another country they are not from. I'd personally would rather be called a Puerto Rican (especially since I was born in Puerto Rico) than a Mexican, and I have nothing against Mexicans. As a matter of fact, I have many former Mexican classmates that I have been friends with for over 30 years. Anyone calling any Hispanic a Mexican, when they aren't so, is just showing their ignorance and prejudice.
Hispanics take it as an insult to be referred to as being from another country they are not from. I'd personally would rather be called a Puerto Rican (especially since I was born in Puerto Rico) than a Mexican, and I have nothing against Mexicans. As a matter of fact, I have many former Mexican classmates that I have been friends with for over 30 years. Anyone calling any Hispanic a Mexican, when they aren't so, is just showing their ignorance and prejudice.
No, it's just because people are dumb. I'm half-hispanic, since my mom was born in Argentina. Being from South Florida, you clearly know the difference. What's always infuriated me though, was how Hollywood "elites" were too stupid to figure it out too. Can't tell you how many Bay of Pigs movies / scenes that I've seen where the Batistas and rebels are all native indian Mexicans wearing plaid button-down shirts and work-pants. What really kills me is that 95% of the United States totally doesn't even realize how ridiculous this looks. Cubans must be especially pissed since they're being represented by Mexicans in almost every movie, when they look NOTHING like Mexicans.
Boy, the media dropped this story like a hot potato after the truth came out. Of course they distorted that, but now that the facts are coming to be known they don't want to have anything to do with it!!!
Boy, the media dropped this story like a hot potato after the truth came out. Of course they distorted that, but now that the facts are coming to be known they don't want to have anything to do with it!!!
No one will ever know all the facts....Everyone can only try to put together the pieces and take out of it what they want....
Hispanics can sit it out and go to Mexico ONLY if they are black-ish, white Hispanics have to fight blacks. Jews have to fight on the white side, most will run away back to the holy land just cause they're pansies.
This doesn't really get taught... the history of it of course, so most people don't understand how this works. So I'll explain it, more or less from as far back as "I" understand it.
From 500-AD to 1094-AD, Middle-Eastern people were encroaching towards Western and Eastern Europe. They were slowly attacking and claiming land in the name of Islam. They nearly destroyed the Byzantine Empire, and were making their way West. By 1095 AD, the vast majority of Spain was pretty much Islamic. Basically, the Middle Eastern men had copious amounts of sex with white Nordic European women who had populated Spain originally from the north, and vice versa with Islamic women and white men. This produced a hybrid "race" if you will, that makes up most of the Spanish / Italian... basically, white people with a little bit of color, and lots of hair.
In 1095 AD, Pope Urban the 2nd, with the help of King Philip (of France I believe), enacted a war against Islam to reclaim Jerusalem and the holy land, and to fight back the near-conquering of Europe from the Muslims. It worked, for the most part, and the middle-eastern people basically stayed away. The Spanish culture was now forever "looking like that."
Then, when people were going around and colonizing, the Spanish colonized South and Central America.
So, there was lots more sex.
In places where there were indigeonous native indians, the Spanish conquered them, stole their gold, and had lots of sex with their women. This produced yet another sub-culture that we now known as "native-indian Hispanic" which includes people from Peru, Mexico, Honduras, etc.
In places where there were really no indigeonous people, the Spanish basically repopulated. Then some more white people moved to South America, like in the Falklands and Argentina, and Chile, so the Hispanics there (already referred to as "white Hispanic") became even more white. This is what I am. These people then went on to populated places like Cuba, Puerto Rico, Venezuela, and other countries and islands.
Then during the slave trade which was started by the Dutch... many blacks were brought to other places like Jamaica, Haiti, and the Dominican Republic. The Spanish primarily were responsible for the Dominican Republic, and once again, they had lots of sex, which in turn produced what is now known as black-Hispanic.
So you see... Mexicans are known as native-indian Hispanic, and white Hispanics are like Cubans, people from Argentina, etc...
Brazil is sort of a little different... they have a mix of all three because there's not only indigeonous native tribes there, but there were also slaves, and also a lot of white people as well as Spanish people.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I do think it's UNBELIEVABLY hilarious though that suddenly the world now recognizes that being Hispanic is not a race. I mean... the entire United States except maybe New York and Florida think that if you're Hispanic, you're Mexican.
Right...I thought all us white people were racists because we are against illegal immigrants, because they are Hispanic? So, does that mean we are off the racist hook for wanting to stop illegal immigration?
[This message has been edited by fierobear (edited 04-07-2012).]
