Pennock's Fiero Forum
  The Construction Zone
  We Build a Perfect Union (Page 63)

Post New Topic  Post A Reply
Email This Page to Someone! | Printable Version

This topic is 78 pages long:  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10   11   12   13   14   15   16   17   18   19   20   21   22   23   24   25   26   27   28   29   30   31   32   33   34   35   36   37   38   39   40   41   42   43   44   45   46   47   48   49   50   51   52   53   54   55   56   57   58   59   60   61   62   63   64   65   66   67   68   69   70   71   72   73   74   75   76   77   78 
Previous Page | Next Page
next newest topic | next oldest topic
We Build a Perfect Union by Archie
Started on: 01-11-2006 09:04 PM
Replies: 3080 (367690 views)
Last post by: troyboy on 10-29-2016 12:55 PM
ClayTonto
Member
Posts: 524
From: White, GA, USA
Registered: Dec 2008


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback

Rate this member

Report this Post01-15-2010 12:16 AM Click Here to See the Profile for ClayTontoSend a Private Message to ClayTontoEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
YEAH!!! This seriously made my day.

OH YEAH!!! Page 63 ownage makes it sweeter.

[This message has been edited by ClayTonto (edited 01-15-2010).]

IP: Logged
troyboy
Member
Posts: 2075
From:
Registered: Sep 2005


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 154
Rate this member

Report this Post01-15-2010 12:50 AM Click Here to See the Profile for troyboySend a Private Message to troyboyEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
My wife just gave me the evil eye and said "press that play button one more time and Archie will have a roomate" ........Great video !!!
IP: Logged
exoticse
Member
Posts: 8650
From: Orlando, Fl
Registered: Jun 2003


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 108
Rate this member

Report this Post01-15-2010 01:24 AM Click Here to See the Profile for exoticseSend a Private Message to exoticseEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

My wife just gave me the evil eye and said "press that play button one more time and Archie will have a roomate" ........Great video !!!


lmao !!
IP: Logged
Jake_Dragon
Member
Posts: 32848
From: USA
Registered: Jan 2001


Feedback score: (5)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 403
Rate this member

Report this Post01-15-2010 06:54 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Jake_DragonSend a Private Message to Jake_DragonEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Archie what is the red line on his car?
IP: Logged
Archie
Member
Posts: 9436
From: Las Vegas, NV
Registered: Dec 1999


Feedback score:    (12)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 546
Rate this member

Report this Post01-15-2010 09:59 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ArchieClick Here to visit Archie's HomePageSend a Private Message to ArchieEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

Archie what is the red line on his car?


Displacement = 7.0 L. / 427 CID
Bore x Stroke =
Compression Ratio = 11.1:1
Horsepower = 505 HP @ 6,200 RPM
Torque = 475 #-Ft. @ 4,800 RPM
RedLine = 7,000 RPM
Fuel Cut OFF = 7,100 RPM
Dry Sump


Archie

BTW, someone asked what size header tubes are in the headers. That would be 1-7/8".

A

[This message has been edited by Archie (edited 01-16-2010).]

IP: Logged
LT188GT
Member
Posts: 5181
From: Miami Fl
Registered: Jul 2003


Feedback score: (1)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 100
Rate this member

Report this Post01-16-2010 08:47 AM Click Here to See the Profile for LT188GTSend a Private Message to LT188GTEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Off topic a little but Archie do you remember these?
Ever wonder how you worked with so little room compared to now?
My LT188GT is on top of the lift.





And one for Curly



My car next to Curlys soon to be chop top.

[This message has been edited by LT188GT (edited 01-16-2010).]

IP: Logged
troyboy
Member
Posts: 2075
From:
Registered: Sep 2005


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 154
Rate this member

Report this Post01-16-2010 12:20 PM Click Here to See the Profile for troyboySend a Private Message to troyboyEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:



Can't upload video to UTube from my shop PC because we only have Dial-up in this industrial park.

I'll do it tonight from home.

Archie



Archie what grade of gas was used for this run? Looks like the 29th, and 30th for the pick up dates.
IP: Logged
Jake_Dragon
Member
Posts: 32848
From: USA
Registered: Jan 2001


Feedback score: (5)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 403
Rate this member

Report this Post01-16-2010 12:56 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Jake_DragonSend a Private Message to Jake_DragonEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


Displacement = 7.0 L. / 427 CID
Bore x Stroke =
Compression Ratio = 11.1:1
Horsepower = 505 HP @ 6,200 RPM
Torque = 475 #-Ft. @ 4,800 RPM
RedLine = 7,000 RPM
Fuel Cut OFF = 7,100 RPM
Dry Sump


Archie

BTW, someone asked what size header tubes are in the headers. That would be 1-7/8".

A



It just sounded like it had a little more in it but the guy let off.
IP: Logged
Archie
Member
Posts: 9436
From: Las Vegas, NV
Registered: Dec 1999


Feedback score:    (12)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 546
Rate this member

Report this Post01-16-2010 05:50 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ArchieClick Here to visit Archie's HomePageSend a Private Message to ArchieEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:


Archie what grade of gas was used for this run? Looks like the 29th, and 30th for the pick up dates.


Premium pump gas.

Dates look good, we should talk this next week.

Archie
IP: Logged
Archie
Member
Posts: 9436
From: Las Vegas, NV
Registered: Dec 1999


Feedback score:    (12)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 546
Rate this member

Report this Post01-16-2010 06:17 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ArchieClick Here to visit Archie's HomePageSend a Private Message to ArchieEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

Archie

9436 posts
Member since Dec 1999
 
quote
Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:


It just sounded like it had a little more in it but the guy let off.




You'll notice that between these 2 runs, we added a little timing above 5000rpm.

Notice that in the run called 003 the HP straightened out & held after hitting it's peak at about 6100 rpm.

At that point the datalogging was showing the injectors at 85% duty cycle. To get much more it'll need bigger injectors.

In the chart below notice how the same 2 runs gain a couple of HP by setting the smoothing at 0. Smoothing is at 4 in the 1st pic above.



Archie
IP: Logged
Jake_Dragon
Member
Posts: 32848
From: USA
Registered: Jan 2001


Feedback score: (5)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 403
Rate this member

Report this Post01-16-2010 08:06 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Jake_DragonSend a Private Message to Jake_DragonEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:Archie


I think I figured out what was missing in the exhaust sound. It should have went on for longer so I could fall a sleep with it ringing in my ears.
Good job!
IP: Logged
PFF
System Bot
ClayTonto
Member
Posts: 524
From: White, GA, USA
Registered: Dec 2008


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback

Rate this member

Report this Post01-16-2010 08:43 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ClayTontoSend a Private Message to ClayTontoEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Looks like your 1 7/8" headers, 3" exhaust, and the new tune were good for about a 25 HP increase!!! Corvette Forum says a stock Z06 makes about 450 RWHP. Great job.

Now if we only had 1 7/8 headers for the SBC guys.
IP: Logged
troyboy
Member
Posts: 2075
From:
Registered: Sep 2005


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 154
Rate this member

Report this Post01-22-2010 05:55 PM Click Here to See the Profile for troyboySend a Private Message to troyboyEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Archie I'm all set, two of my brothers and myself will leave for chicago next Friday.
IP: Logged
Archie
Member
Posts: 9436
From: Las Vegas, NV
Registered: Dec 1999


Feedback score:    (12)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 546
Rate this member

Report this Post01-22-2010 06:58 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ArchieClick Here to visit Archie's HomePageSend a Private Message to ArchieEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

Archie I'm all set, two of my brothers and myself will leave for chicago next Friday.


IP: Logged
whodeanie
Member
Posts: 3819
From: woodstock,Ga.,USA
Registered: Jan 2008


Feedback score:    (14)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 120
Rate this member

Report this Post01-22-2010 08:18 PM Click Here to See the Profile for whodeanieClick Here to visit whodeanie's HomePageSend a Private Message to whodeanieEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
LOL! it can come home with me just give Troy the bill
IP: Logged
madcurl
Member
Posts: 21401
From: In a Van down by the Kern River
Registered: Jul 2003


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 314
Rate this member

Report this Post01-24-2010 04:00 PM Click Here to See the Profile for madcurlSend a Private Message to madcurlEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

Archie I'm all set, two of my brothers and myself will leave for chicago next Friday.


IP: Logged
madcurl
Member
Posts: 21401
From: In a Van down by the Kern River
Registered: Jul 2003


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 314
Rate this member

Report this Post01-24-2010 05:08 PM Click Here to See the Profile for madcurlSend a Private Message to madcurlEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

madcurl

21401 posts
Member since Jul 2003
Hey Archie, what was some of the comments at the dyno shop regarding #022? Besides, the video, did you take additional pics?
IP: Logged
troyboy
Member
Posts: 2075
From:
Registered: Sep 2005


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 154
Rate this member

Report this Post01-26-2010 11:10 PM Click Here to See the Profile for troyboySend a Private Message to troyboyEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
The toy box is ready
IP: Logged
Archie
Member
Posts: 9436
From: Las Vegas, NV
Registered: Dec 1999


Feedback score:    (12)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 546
Rate this member

Report this Post01-28-2010 08:26 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ArchieClick Here to visit Archie's HomePageSend a Private Message to ArchieEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

The toy box is ready


Looks nice.

Big Day Tomorrow.
IP: Logged
pontiackid86
Member
Posts: 19632
From: Kingwood Texas..... Yall
Registered: Sep 2008


Feedback score:    (12)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 344
Rate this member

Report this Post01-28-2010 08:50 PM Click Here to See the Profile for pontiackid86Send a Private Message to pontiackid86Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Ill tell you troy. Thats on hell of a car you and Archie built. Great job.
IP: Logged
troyboy
Member
Posts: 2075
From:
Registered: Sep 2005


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 154
Rate this member

Report this Post01-28-2010 09:52 PM Click Here to See the Profile for troyboySend a Private Message to troyboyEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by pontiackid86:

Ill tell you troy. Thats on hell of a car you and Archie built. Great job.


Thanks I'll be in PA tonight via RT.80 on my way to pick it up.
IP: Logged
PFF
System Bot
pontiackid86
Member
Posts: 19632
From: Kingwood Texas..... Yall
Registered: Sep 2008


Feedback score:    (12)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 344
Rate this member

Report this Post01-28-2010 10:48 PM Click Here to See the Profile for pontiackid86Send a Private Message to pontiackid86Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:


Thanks I'll be in PA tonight via RT.80 on my way to pick it up.


Watch out for the state troopers if your going on the PA turn pike. They were out in full force today even clocking speeds by aircraft. Have a safe drive with it on your way home. And hell if you want to trade for a nice green fiero you can always stop off in downingtown on your way home.

[This message has been edited by pontiackid86 (edited 01-28-2010).]

IP: Logged
katatak
Member
Posts: 7136
From: Omaha, NE USA
Registered: Apr 2008


Feedback score:    (8)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 82
Rate this member

Report this Post01-28-2010 10:56 PM Click Here to See the Profile for katatakSend a Private Message to katatakEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Kind of a sad day coming up. The car is going home - no more build and tweak fixes. Feeling like one of my kids is leaving for college....... But it's a great day for Troy. It's been an amaing ride. Hope to see lot's of pics in the furture from all the car shows and rod runs. I hope to see this car in person someday. Very nice work fella's!

Pat
IP: Logged
madcurl
Member
Posts: 21401
From: In a Van down by the Kern River
Registered: Jul 2003


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 314
Rate this member

Report this Post01-30-2010 12:07 AM Click Here to See the Profile for madcurlSend a Private Message to madcurlEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I just received a call from Troyboy. They're in Indiana right now and no sign of snow.
IP: Logged
madcurl
Member
Posts: 21401
From: In a Van down by the Kern River
Registered: Jul 2003


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 314
Rate this member

Report this Post01-30-2010 02:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for madcurlSend a Private Message to madcurlEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

madcurl

21401 posts
Member since Jul 2003
Has the Eagle landed?
IP: Logged
Archie
Member
Posts: 9436
From: Las Vegas, NV
Registered: Dec 1999


Feedback score:    (12)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 546
Rate this member

Report this Post01-30-2010 08:28 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ArchieClick Here to visit Archie's HomePageSend a Private Message to ArchieEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Troy & 2 of his brothers were here today & picked up the car.

It was too cold to get any good pics outside.



Archie
IP: Logged
LT188GT
Member
Posts: 5181
From: Miami Fl
Registered: Jul 2003


Feedback score: (1)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 100
Rate this member

Report this Post01-30-2010 09:23 PM Click Here to See the Profile for LT188GTSend a Private Message to LT188GTEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
What. No Curly pose??
IP: Logged
Archie
Member
Posts: 9436
From: Las Vegas, NV
Registered: Dec 1999


Feedback score:    (12)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 546
Rate this member

Report this Post01-30-2010 10:30 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ArchieClick Here to visit Archie's HomePageSend a Private Message to ArchieEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by LT188GT:

What. No Curly pose??


Troy said he had done the Curley pose last time when he picked the car up after Phase One.

Archie
IP: Logged
troyboy
Member
Posts: 2075
From:
Registered: Sep 2005


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 154
Rate this member

Report this Post02-01-2010 03:43 PM Click Here to See the Profile for troyboySend a Private Message to troyboyEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Well Archie I had her out today for a little run, all I will say is HOLY SH!T..............
IP: Logged
Archie
Member
Posts: 9436
From: Las Vegas, NV
Registered: Dec 1999


Feedback score:    (12)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 546
Rate this member

Report this Post02-01-2010 05:33 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ArchieClick Here to visit Archie's HomePageSend a Private Message to ArchieEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

Well Archie I had her out today for a little run, all I will say is HOLY SH!T..............


As the lLate Show's Craig Ferguson would say "I Knowww".

That's why everytime someone rags on the car, I just grin & say, They have no clue.

Archie
IP: Logged
madcurl
Member
Posts: 21401
From: In a Van down by the Kern River
Registered: Jul 2003


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 314
Rate this member

Report this Post02-01-2010 07:04 PM Click Here to See the Profile for madcurlSend a Private Message to madcurlEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

Well Archie I had her out today for a little run.


Hey Troy, how much bigger is your smile vs. the chromed engine you use to have?
IP: Logged
PFF
System Bot
troyboy
Member
Posts: 2075
From:
Registered: Sep 2005


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 154
Rate this member

Report this Post02-02-2010 12:44 PM Click Here to See the Profile for troyboySend a Private Message to troyboyEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


Hey Troy, how much bigger is your smile vs. the chromed engine you use to have?


The old ZZ430 gave you a big smile, but the LS7 gives you a big smile but then you have to check your pants
IP: Logged
LT188GT
Member
Posts: 5181
From: Miami Fl
Registered: Jul 2003


Feedback score: (1)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 100
Rate this member

Report this Post02-02-2010 03:17 PM Click Here to See the Profile for LT188GTSend a Private Message to LT188GTEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
DEPENDS
IP: Logged
troyboy
Member
Posts: 2075
From:
Registered: Sep 2005


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 154
Rate this member

Report this Post02-02-2010 04:15 PM Click Here to See the Profile for troyboySend a Private Message to troyboyEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by LT188GT:

DEPENDS


New check list:





IP: Logged
Erik
Member
Posts: 5625
From: Des Moines, Iowa
Registered: Jul 2002


Feedback score: (3)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 168
Rate this member

Report this Post02-02-2010 07:36 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ErikSend a Private Message to ErikEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:


New check list:







Don't forget the wallet and a good lawyer
IP: Logged
Erik
Member
Posts: 5625
From: Des Moines, Iowa
Registered: Jul 2002


Feedback score: (3)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 168
Rate this member

Report this Post02-02-2010 07:39 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ErikSend a Private Message to ErikEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

Erik

5625 posts
Member since Jul 2002
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

Well Archie I had her out today for a little run, all I will say is HOLY SH!T..............


Please write a few paragraphs detailing how it ran

IP: Logged
troyboy
Member
Posts: 2075
From:
Registered: Sep 2005


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 154
Rate this member

Report this Post02-02-2010 08:09 PM Click Here to See the Profile for troyboySend a Private Message to troyboyEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by Erik:


Please write a few paragraphs detailing how it ran


Well only had her out twice, I have to renew all the paper work and didn't want to temp johnny law. But I made the best of the time we had together . The first trip in the car was crazy after having a heavy foot from a 1800 mile round trip pulling a trailer, it took all I had to keep her straight in first or second. The acceleration was off the charts, after getting a feel for the car I took it up 60 then hit the peddle....... like I said Holy s***...... The speedo only goes to 120 and it was pegged in seconds. ( note to Archie 120mph speedos and LS7's do mix well ) The ride was smooth and the new corvette rack ratio and P/S was great. The new corvette seats will have to go they sit to high and don't go as far back as the fiero seats. More this Spring
IP: Logged
Erik
Member
Posts: 5625
From: Des Moines, Iowa
Registered: Jul 2002


Feedback score: (3)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 168
Rate this member

Report this Post02-02-2010 08:25 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ErikSend a Private Message to ErikEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:


Well only had her out twice, I have to renew all the paper work and didn't want to temp johnny law. But I made the best of the time we had together . The first trip in the car was crazy after having a heavy foot from a 1800 mile round trip pulling a trailer, it took all I had to keep her straight in first or second. The acceleration was off the charts, after getting a feel for the car I took it up 60 then hit the peddle....... like I said Holy s***...... The speedo only goes to 120 and it was pegged in seconds. ( note to Archie 120mph speedos and LS7's do mix well ) The ride was smooth and the new corvette rack ratio and P/S was great. The new corvette seats will have to go they sit to high and don't go as far back as the fiero seats. More this Spring


Sweet! I have confidence that you will provide some video in the near future to placate us mere mortals . Is there any airstrip close by that could be utilized ? I have visons of video like the guy who owns a Mc Laren F1 who made one on an airstrip of him having fun with it.

IP: Logged
troyboy
Member
Posts: 2075
From:
Registered: Sep 2005


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 154
Rate this member

Report this Post02-17-2010 04:03 PM Click Here to See the Profile for troyboySend a Private Message to troyboyEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I'm back from surgery recovery, Time to start working on #22, this car needs alot of work b4 it can be considered done. In my opinion #22 is a working rough copy at best and needs to be completed. After all the work is done she will get a fresh paint booth paint job.
IP: Logged
troyboy
Member
Posts: 2075
From:
Registered: Sep 2005


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 154
Rate this member

Report this Post02-17-2010 07:39 PM Click Here to See the Profile for troyboySend a Private Message to troyboyEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

troyboy

2075 posts
Member since Sep 2005
B4 I get banned for no F******* reason. I don't know why my last post got me a neg but what the hey, it's been the norm for me on pff. All future updates will be on LS1TECH.com

It's been fun troy
http://www.ls1tech.com/foru...-ls7-fiero-swap.html

[This message has been edited by troyboy (edited 02-17-2010).]

IP: Logged
Previous Page | Next Page

This topic is 78 pages long:  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10   11   12   13   14   15   16   17   18   19   20   21   22   23   24   25   26   27   28   29   30   31   32   33   34   35   36   37   38   39   40   41   42   43   44   45   46   47   48   49   50   51   52   53   54   55   56   57   58   59   60   61   62   63   64   65   66   67   68   69   70   71   72   73   74   75   76   77   78 
next newest topic | next oldest topic

All times are ET (US)

Post New Topic  Post A Reply
Hop to:

Contact Us | Back To Main Page

Advertizing on PFF | Fiero Parts Vendors
PFF Merchandise | Fiero Gallery | Ogre's Cave
Real-Time Chat | Fiero Related Auctions on eBay



Copyright (c) 1999, C. Pennock