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We Build a Perfect Union by Archie
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Originally posted by dobey:

One of these. Or one of the models where the throttle body actually mounts on the rear, instead. Or a custom snout, and pulley cap, for the blower. If you want to pay the money to do it, it's not that hard to do.



What im saying is spin it around (standard Fiero fit) and get rid of the shaft driven pulley system, run the belt off the crank right to the pulley on the blower. it would be easier and gets rid of all the other pulleys and the shaft drive portion of the system. Bottom line is that you have to find someone who has a blower and put it on the car. I don't have the $$$ to just buy a $6K blower and then find out it wont work. Good luck and we are still trying to figure out what trans is going to hold 700+ HP.

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here you go, this should do the trick.





they have it without the U-turn intake

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Troy, you have a PM

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Troy, PM again

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Troy, PM again


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and the BUILD continues

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Joey dropping the chotop off at Archies

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Troy you are the man another step where no one has ever been before

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Can't wait to see how this turns out......

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That is going to take quite a shoe horn, but I am sure Archie is up to the task.

So the big question is will you install it with the air inlet on the passenger side (where the PS pump, water pump, & thermostat housing already are) or will you rework the jack shaft setup to install it with the air intake over the transmission like the current intake is?

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Thanks for the updates Archie.

Looks like they did a great job on the unit.

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That is going to take quite a shoe horn, but I am sure Archie is up to the task.

So the big question is will you install it with the air inlet on the passenger side (where the PS pump, water pump, & thermostat housing already are) or will you rework the jack shaft setup to install it with the air intake over the transmission like the current intake is?


It's going to be a tight fit but Edelbrock worked with Archie and this E-Force unit was built just for this car as a one off because they didn't have any units for an LS7 fiero in stock , so they built it using Archies specs. So far they have been great with support

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It's going to be a tight fit but Edelbrock worked with Archie and this E-Force unit was built just for this car as a one off because they didn't have any units for an LS7 fiero in stock , so they built it using Archies specs. So far they have been great with support


So the intake stays on the passenger side? Nice unit.

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So the intake stays on the passenger side? Nice unit.


That's the plan, but it's large so some modifications to the strut tower and decklid hinge will have to be made but I'll let Archie address that.

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It's going to be a tight fit but Edelbrock worked with Archie and this E-Force unit was built just for this car as a one off because they didn't have any units for an LS7 fiero in stock , so they built it using Archies specs. So far they have been great with support


That should be a nice little quip on the car's build sheet at shows; "Custom one-off Edelbrock E-Force supercharger"

Any time frame in mind for the work? Not gonna miss too much of trophy season I hope?

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DROOOOOL... talk about taking it to the next level!!!

That's a LOT of HP about to be added to the car... talk about a neck snapper... sheesh... can anybody say, "power-to-weight ratio" and "boooooooooost"?

This is going to be one to watch for sure...

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Let me tell you all a bit of the background on what Troy & I have been doing.

Last November, Troy started us looking at Superchargers.

That set off a 4 month search.

We really wanted a Supercharger with a front drive & a rear intake. That would have allowed us to keep the TB on the Drivers side &

Not in order we looked at & contacted, Magnacharger, SLP, Kenne Bell, Harrop & a couple of others.

Kept looking for a front drive rear intake with the blower drive pulley in the middle of (or forward of the centerline of the engine to keep the blower drive pulley from interfering with the shock tower.

We couldn't even consider one of the shaft drive blowers that have a drive shaft on the Right side of the engine because the drive pulley would have been in the shock tower big time.

I personally talked to techs from all the above companies & checked out their height, width & the locations of the blower drives from all of the above blowers to see if they could fit in this car. While doing all of this was having Troy go out to his garage & take measurements so we could figure out how much space we had to work with.

Troy & I knew that to get a blower that had an intercooler in it, the blower most likely would have required a major mod to his decklid ........

For a time MagnaCharger was our focus & we talked back & forth over about 3 weeks. Their rep said that they were machining LS7 base manifolds. Then they admitted that they didn't have any base manifolds for the LS7 engine & didn't have any castings to make them out of. I was disappointed.

We got interested in this one from Harrop ...





Notice how the shaft is in the middle & the height stays lower because the shaft goes thru the intercooler & the horn for the T.B. at least points away from our shock tower.

Get excited that the search might be getting results. The Rep. I was talking to turned it over to the engineering dept. A few days later they send me this ...



Now even more excited........ then the let down.... they haven't actually built one of these yet & they don't have any castings for the lower intake manifold on the LS7. We would be the 1st..it would take 6 months before they could have castings to machine for an LS7.. We're thinking that AU is a long way away if any of this needs to be serviced or if parts have to exchanged back & forth to get it right.

Then back to the E-Force, we had walked right past the E-Force initially mostly because it's looks were kind plain & didn't look like the other blowers we were looking at.

It doesn't use a rear shaft drive, It's lower in profile because of the unique way the intercooler is done & the drive pulley is almost in the center. And if we use a certain combination of parts we can get the best SC for an LS7 in a Fiero that we're going to find.



We still have quite a few things to deal with a couple of issues but confidence is high.

About a week from now we'll be setting this intake on the engine in the car to see what our initial fit is & we'll go from there. Then we plan to pull the engine/transmission/cradle out of the car so we can design the belt drive & belt tensioner system.

Troy has a bunch of other stuff he wants to do on the car& we'll also be working on that as we go.

I want to say one more thing...... Edelbrock Made in USA..... The 2 guys that I have been working with at Edelbrock have been SUPER HELPFUL every step of the way.

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Will you be using the same tranny with the additional power of the supercharger ?.

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Will you be using the same tranny with the additional power of the supercharger ?.


Yep, Im not going to replace it until it fails, and if it does, I already have a plan for it.

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I want to say one more thing...... Edelbrock Made in USA..... The 2 guys that I have been working with at Edelbrock have been SUPER HELPFUL every step of the way.

Archie


That's is perhaps the best thing I've heard in a long time. Made in the USA and with all three parties involved this build will no doubt be the baddest Fiero on the planet. GM should be looking at this car for ways to improve on the cars they make.

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With the modifications we will have to make to the S/C side covers for clearance, some of the coil packs will be exposed. You guys know how I feel about my Engine compartment, it has to look just as good as it performs and as good as the outside of the car...... so I found this on the Z06 forum Billet Ls7 coil pack covers



They looked great, but the thought of having to polish them was driving me crazy and you guys know I like chrome...... so out to the chrome shop they went. Found a great chrome shop in RI called D&D chrome plating, great price and crazy fast turn around. I shipped my parts to them on Monday 4/16 and they were back on my door step when I arrived home from work 4/23. They did a great job and more parts will be going to them soon.

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Troy, you should find a nice sunny day ~mid 50's mid afternoon when traffic is lite & take this car out & just give it heck.

I just had it out, you know "Testing" (somebody has to test it, right?) & I feel 20 years younger.

Somebody has to have the burden of test driving & I guess it's on me.

BTW: the testing was to determine if I coud get the clutch to slip. Now that the tach is working properly (the guys that did the interior had the tach on the wrong setting, that's all that was wrong with it) I was able to test it in several different conditions & it appears that the "slipping" that you say you might have felt was really the rear tires spinning.

But, please don't think that I'm done testing it. It will have to be tested several more times before you get here.

Next time, I'll take the video camera along

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Archie
I have to tell you that I am Jealous

I would love to see what this car feels like....
That would be a dream come thru for me.

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Troy, you should find a nice sunny day ~mid 50's mid afternoon when traffic is lite & take this car out & just give it heck.

I just had it out, you know "Testing" (somebody has to test it, right?) & I feel 20 years younger.

Somebody has to have the burden of test driving & I guess it's on me.

BTW: the testing was to determine if I coud get the clutch to slip. Now that the tach is working properly (the guys that did the interior had the tach on the wrong setting, that's all that was wrong with it) I was able to test it in several different conditions & it appears that the "slipping" that you say you might have felt was really the rear tires spinning.

But, please don't think that I'm done testing it. It will have to be tested several more times before you get here.

Next time, I'll take the video camera along

Archie


LOL, I know the feeling...






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I just had it out, you know "Testing" (somebody has to test it, right?) & I feel 20 years younger.

Archie



So you feel 20 years younger so that should make you around 50 years old?

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Archie

I would love to see what this car feels like....
That would be a dream come thru for me.


I'm trying to grasp what's it's going to be like once we have the Supercharger installed.

 
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So you feel 20 years younger so that should make you around 50 years old?


LOL, I hear you're feeling pretty chipper lately too.

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Some new toys to be installed during the upgrade




Archie is going to set them into the fiberglass IMSA sills

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First dry fit....







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Love the idea but the looks of the SC setup is going to kill the beauty of the engine bay....Gonna have to spice up the top cover to make the engine bay 'POP' like it did with the chrome intake....

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Love the idea but the looks of the SC setup is going to kill the beauty of the engine bay....Gonna have to spice up the top cover to make the engine bay 'POP' like it did with the chrome intake....


No kidding, what a brilliant observation

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No kidding, what a brilliant observation


Yeah..No kidding.....I agree I am brilliant.......

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Just sayin'.. Love the progress, those rocker sill plates are awesome!

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Today, a bunch more fitting & planning. The biggest thing to figure out is how we're going to do the belt routing & we now have a plan for that.

Here's a pic of where we left it today.



Tomorrow, Troy will be here to go over all the other stuff he wants to do & help us pull the engine out.

Lots of info will come tomorrow.

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Yeah..No kidding.....I agree I am brilliant.......


This thread is not about 3800.vs Chevy so if you are going to start something please go some where else and let us enjoy this interesting thread.

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This thread is not about 3800.vs Chevy so if you are going to start something please go some where else and let us enjoy this interesting thread.


I made a comment on the car that was not negative nor did I bring up anything about a different motor swap..Unsure where you and the other member that posted are getting your negative thoughts from. The comment I made was positive and giving a comment to the swap that is in the car before the change. I reply back to Archie's comment was somewhat smartazz but I was just returning the favor.....So take a deep breath, drink you a nice glass of ice tea and relax with deep breaths.....

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Report this Post05-04-2012 05:52 PM Click Here to See the Profile for IwannaIRMClick Here to Email IwannaIRMSend a Private Message to IwannaIRMEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

Just a question.

Why remove the whole drive-train if the supercharger is a "bolt-on" unit? Is this because of the belt problem?

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