Originally posted by olejoedad: Where does the money come from for the climate change 'journalists'..... https://www.re..._150480.html
If there is a news media report about climate change that I want to check up on, I will often search for a report about it in a professional science journal like Nature or PLOS (Public Library of Science) Climate.
Often, a news media report will provide one or more links to the scientific literature.
[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 02-12-2024).]
Hundreds of thousands of tons of CO² expelled into the planet's atmosphere, ruining your day ! Mother Nature cutting a giant fart, not a nice lady at all !
VOLCANO = MILLIONS OF TONS BUT NOT ALL THE TIME HUMANS = BILLIONS OF TONS MORE EVERY YEAR ALL THE TIME
THE EFFECT IS ADDITIVE NOT EPISODIC
'' If not for the influence of humans, the climate and carbon dioxide concentrations would be stable. Rising CO2 is a problem that we're actively causing, and if we want to fix it, that's up to us, too.'' ^YOUR LINK READ TO THE END !
CO², blown towards illiteracy, ignorance, stupidity to better the human genetic pool, making it smarter. https://www.fo...7544c0435cbf
I don't know much, but what I do know, is true. It is true that a man could be so foolish, that he would endanger his very existence by his own folly.
"You can't fix stupid!" ~ Ron White, comedian.
As Ray just remarked, this is from the article that Valkrie9 posted:
quote
The Earth's mantle is full of trillions of tons of carbon alone, and if even a small percent of it were added to the atmosphere, it has the potential to be absolutely catastrophic for the planet. But given the scales of the eruptions we actually have, less than a billion tons are emitted per year thanks to volcanic activity: a small enough amount that our planet can sequester roughly the same amount on a per-year basis.
If not for the influence of humans, the climate and carbon dioxide concentrations would be stable. Rising CO2 is a problem that we're actively causing, and if we want to fix it, that's up to us, too.
It's apparent that Valkrie9 is "gassing off" about the relatively small amount of CO2 emissions from volcanoes, and ignoring the far more significant 36.8 billion metric ton "gorilla in the room" of human attributable CO2 emissions during just the most recent full year of 2023.
That Forbes article is from 2017.
This is currently posted on NASA's Climate Change website:
quote
Volcanic eruptions are often discussed in the context of climate change because they release CO2 and other gases into our atmosphere. However, the impact of human activities on the carbon cycle far exceeds that of all the world's volcanoes combined, by more than 100 times.
To put it in perspective, while volcanic eruptions do contribute to an increase in atmospheric CO2, human activities release an amount of CO2 equivalent to what a Mount St. Helens-sized eruption produces every 2.5 hours and a Mount Pinatubo-sized eruption twice daily.
The most significant eruptions come from super volcanoes like Yellowstone or Mount Toba, which erupt very rarely, about every 100,000 to 200,000 years or more. Yet, the total annual CO2 emissions from human activities are akin to one or more Yellowstone-sized super eruptions occurring every year.
In essence, CO2 emissions from human activities greatly surpass those from volcanoes.
Rutgers University researchers want to develop floating offshore wind turbines like Hywind, the world’s first floating wind energy farm where structures ride big waves 18 miles off Scotland’s coast. At an offshore wind symposium Friday, Rutgers revealed it will explore building the Net-Zero Wind Energy Test Center, a warehouse-sized lab facility at the Jersey Shore.
NJ Spotlight News; January 12, 2024 on YouTube.
Another "Slice of Life" episode from the offshore wind energy sector. It's like an anthology of the best O. Henry stories.
[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 02-15-2024).]
mostly a complaint about hockey sticks little note of real temps getting higher every year ice area shrinking and thin
standard kochies BS nothing to see here burn more oil it will be fine
SOS got anything new different or ?
a new lie the old ones are lame tired and boring ?
the evidence mounts the con's will lose this badly
I'm not saying the earth isn't changing... but the past three years have had some of the coldest winters we've had in Florida in the past 10-30 years. Seems to be getting colder here. They say it's because of El Nino, and I'm not complaining... but somewhat relevant here. I just wish the summers weren't as hot.
January 2024 is the warmest January on record, when temperature data from all around the world and both the Northern and Southern hemispheres are reviewed.
According to CCCS [European Union] and WMO [United Nations] calculations, 2023 was 1.48°C warmer than the pre-industrial period, perilously close to the 1.5°C threshold that nations agreed to respect in the 2015 Paris climate accords, with 2.0°C not to be crossed. Breaching this limit, say scientists, risks more storms, droughts, extreme heat, and flooding than humanity can safely handle.
Back in 2015, scientists thought it would be decades before we reached 1.5°C. Yet, according to CCCS data, every single day of 2023 the global average temperature was at least 1°C warmer than pre-industrial averages; half were above 1.5°C, and two days in November surpassed 2°C. NOAA’s data, which tends to be more conservative, put the 2023 average at 1.35°C above pre-industrial levels, but warned that 2024 had a one-in-three chance of hitting even higher temperatures, and a 99% chance that it would rank among the top five warmest years in human history.
"2023 Was the Hottest Year Ever and 2024 May Be Even Worse"
SIGNIFICANT FLORIDA IMPACT FREEZES Freeze Event Tallahassee Avon Park Fort Myers December 1894 15°F 24°F 28°F February 1899 -2°F N/A N/A December 1934 20°F 21°F 29°F January 1940 15°F 26°F 29°F February 1958 19°F 23°F 30°F December 1962 20°F 24°F 28°F January 1977 16°F 21°F 30°F January 1981 8°F 18°F 28°F January 1982 14°F 19°F 29°F December 1983 14°F 23°F 33°F January 1985 6°F 21°F 30°F December 1989 13°F 20°F 27°F January 1997 18°F 24°F N/A
NO FREEZES POST 2000 ON THE LIST
WARMING
Yes, so... what you're doing is comparing record temps, which have nothing to do with what I'm saying. I'm saying prolonged cold weather has been increasingly more prevalent in the past three years than in the past 30 years. This has been a very cool winter. What I'm NOT saying is... "We had the coldest temperature this year" ... which you are stating. Back when I lived here before I left again in 2017... the winters were short and hot. But the past three winters here in Florida have been very cold, lasting a lot longer than I'm used to.
Also... for your list... I'm not really sure where you get that information... because last year we had multiple days of freezing temperatures here in Tampa since I moved here. My neighbors all had to put blankets and bags and everything else on their plants in 2022. I was well into the 20s for several nights.
It talks about numerous low temperature records being set in Palm Beach, Vero Beach, etc.. So again, I don't know where you're getting that information from... but it's incorrect or at best, incomplete.
last miami freeze was 89 lots of plants die as they are rare and we notice This page gives the lowest temperature for each year in Miami and the date that it happened. A date with a plus sign beside it means the lowest temperature also occurred on at least one other day earlier that year.
These temperature extremes were measured at Miami International Airport and go back to 1948. The lowest temperature recorded there during that period was 30 degrees Fahrenheit (-1 Celsius) on December 25, 1989 and January 22, 1985. Lowest Miami temperatures in recent years Min °F Date Min °C 42 January 30, 2022 6 49 February 04, 2021 + 9 40 January 22, 2020 4 46 January 21, 2019 8 44 January 18, 2018 + 7 47 December 14, 2017 8 46 January 24, 2016 8 42 February 20, 2015 6 46 January 19, 2014 + 8 45 March 04, 2013 7 43 January 04, 2012 6 44 January 23, 2011 7 35 January 10, 2010 2 Lowest temperature recorded at Miami each year Min °F Date Min °C 38 February 05, 2009 3 39 January 03, 2008 4 42 February 19, 2007 6 44 February 14, 2006 7 43 January 24, 2005 6 46 December 15, 2004 8 36 January 24, 2003 2 42 January 04, 2002 6 39 January 05, 2001 4 42 December 31, 2000 6 44 January 06, 1999 7 49 March 13, 1998 + 9 37 January 19, 1997 3 37 February 05, 1996 3 39 February 09, 1995 4 50 January 06, 1994 10 44 March 15, 1993 7 46 January 16, 1992 8 41 February 16, 1991 5 49 January 13, 1990 9 30 December 25, 1989 -1 43 December 18, 1988 6 41 January 28, 1987 5 36 January 28, 1986 2 30 January 22, 1985 -1 44 March 01, 1984 + 7 33 December 26, 1983 1 33 January 12, 1982 1 32 January 13, 1981 0 32 March 03, 1980 0 40 January 03, 1979 4 39 February 23, 1978 4 31 January 20, 1977 -1 40 January 18, 1976 4 42 December 22, 1975 6 44 February 11, 1974 7 39 December 22, 1973 4 42 February 20, 1972 6 35 January 20, 1971 2 35 January 10, 1970 2 44 December 27, 1969 + 7 34 December 16, 1968 1 36 February 26, 1967 2 35 January 31, 1966 2 35 January 18, 1965 2 36 January 15, 1964 2 43 December 25, 1963 6 35 December 14, 1962 + 2 39 December 30, 1961 + 4 34 January 22, 1960 1 40 January 11, 1959 4 35 February 05, 1958 2 35 December 12, 1957 2 39 January 14, 1956 4 40 February 13, 1955 + 4 41 December 22, 1954 + 5 44 December 17, 1953 7 42 December 16, 1952 6 36 January 09, 1951 2 39 November 26, 1950 4 39 January 02, 1949 4 34 January 15, 1948 1
last miami freeze was 89 lots of plants die as they are rare and we notice This page gives the lowest temperature for each year in Miami and the date that it happened. A date with a plus sign beside it means the lowest temperature also occurred on at least one other day earlier that year.
These temperature extremes were measured at Miami International Airport and go back to 1948. The lowest temperature recorded there during that period was 30 degrees Fahrenheit (-1 Celsius) on December 25, 1989 and January 22, 1985. Lowest Miami temperatures in recent years Min °F Date Min °C
Ok... so that's Miami... what does that have to do with the post you made before this where you listed several cities and areas and said there had been no freezing temperatures since 2000? There have been several since then... including record lows that were set in December of 2022.
Originally posted by rinselberg: January 2024 is the warmest January on record, when temperature data from all around the world and both the Northern and Southern hemispheres are reviewed.
Originally posted by rinselberg: According to CCCS [European Union] and WMO [United Nations] calculations, 2023 was 1.48°C warmer than the pre-industrial period, perilously close to the 1.5°C threshold that nations agreed to respect in the 2015 Paris climate accords, with 2.0°C not to be crossed. Breaching this limit, say scientists, risks more storms, droughts, extreme heat, and flooding than humanity can safely handle.
According to CCCS [European Union] and WMO [United Nations]. Consider your sources. Both of those charlatans are making money, lots of money, off of the Global Warming fraud.
It is no surprise to me they are amping up the scare factor.
According to CCCS [European Union] and WMO [United Nations]. Consider your sources. Both of those charlatans are making money, lots of money, off of the Global Warming fraud.
It is no surprise to me they are amping up the scare factor.
mr big oil man from texas who can read and record accurate temps ?
only the oil CORP-RATS ? ONLY THE Gop GUN NUTS ? FOX NEWS PAID TO LIE ABOUT EVERYTHING ?
WE HAVE A COOL SNAP HERE NOW but not as cold as awhile ago no freeze in 35 years here less ice at the north pole more new high records everywhere
real crazy conspiracy ideas always start with the letters CON your side claims UN and the world press all are in on a plot to hurt BIG OIL SEE ANY TRUTH THERE ? THEN THE NUT PAID TO LIE by big oil creatures like prager or real clear or heartland get quoted WITH OUT ANY DATA OR FACTS
we have hit 400+ ppm and seen the temps go up even in a sun spot dip [down solar output] the temps did NOT drop they just went up less then expected and the nut-con's claim victory far too soon we passed 1 and 1/2 deg up the con's still do NOT get it till claim BS and fixed reports the world is watching and knows the cons are lying how long will they try to lie ?
WTF ? Foaming at the mouth irrational is a good first clue, being nuts doesn't help diagnosis, sadly. Go see a psy.. psy.. go see a doctor ! ' Everybody Thinks I'm Crazy '
[This message has been edited by Valkrie9 (edited 03-03-2024).]
Originally posted by ray b: mr big oil man from texas who can read and record accurate temps ?
I am offended. I am MR BIG OIL MAN FROM TEXAS.
I don't need to read and record accurate temperatures. I worked year round, 12 hour days, in every climate you can imagine. Even some you can't. I don't need to read temperatures. I live them.
quote
Originally posted by ray b: your side claims UN and the world press all are in on a plot to hurt BIG OIL
They are. Big Oil is cheaper, more efficient, and easy to get and use than their "GREEN CRAP". They have to make a boogy man about oil just so they can sell their "GREEN CRAP".
SEE ANY TRUTH THERE ?
quote
Originally posted by ray b: tell us again how joe ended oil drilling
btw 2.97 reg
Drilling and production are different animals. All wells drilled still produce. We are actually getting more from not so good wells.
[This message has been edited by cliffw (edited 02-23-2024).]
The world’s largest-ever onshore wind turbine blades have been manufactured in China. At 131 meters [430 feet] in length, each foil [or blade] would dwarf Big Ben or the Statue of Liberty. Once installed in central China in the coming months, each of the structures, including a 15-megawatt turbine and three blades, will have a [rotating] diameter of over 260 meters [or 853 feet.]
[QUOTE]The world’s largest-ever onshore wind turbine blades have been manufactured in China. At 131 meters [430 feet] in length, each foil [or blade] would dwarf Big Ben or the Statue of Liberty. Once installed in central China in the coming months, each of the structures, including a 15-megawatt turbine and three blades, will have a [rotating] diameter of over 260 meters [or 853 feet.]
Newly manufactured SY1310A onshore wind turbine blades at the SANY Renewable Energy factory in Bayannur, in northern China.
"We in the United States could be on the wrong side of a turbine 'gap'... losing the international turbine 'race'..."
[/QUOTE]
That works well for well over half the people in this country. We would be very happy if they tore down the monstrosities. Same with the fudging solar farms. Get 'em off of our farmland, or put 'em on the roof of the Walmarts. We welcome natural gas and nuclear generated electricity.
To reprise what I've already said, some farmers and ranchers are looking at the potential of agrivoltaics to generate additional income from their land acreage.
"Agrivoltaics: Coming Soon to a Farm Near You?"
USDA Northeast Climate Hub; undated but recent blog entry replete with straightforward text, some "visuals" and a veritable plethora of embedded hypertext page links to access additional online information. https://www.climatehubs.usd...nd%20solar%20panels.
It's not going to work for every farmer or rancher, but there's likely a lot of solar power to be had from the relatively near term future of agrivoltaics.
It's the perfect manifestation of TWO THINGS AT ONCE.
CLICK FOR FULL SIZE
[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 02-25-2024).]
I think it is disgusting that people who live in rural areas are forced to live with the monstrosities of the green energy push - ugly ass solar farms and imposing wind turbines that defile the beautiful countryside.
And the power they generate is needed by the ultra high demand for electricity by the population centers, not the rural areas!
Put the fudging solar panels and wind turbine on top of your uglyazz buildings in the cities and leave our views alone.
It's an infringement on our peace and tranquility!
I think it is disgusting that people who live in rural areas are forced to live with the monstrosities of the green energy push - ugly ass solar farms and imposing wind turbines that defile the beautiful countryside.
And the power they generate is needed by the ultra high demand for electricity by the population centers, not the rural areas!
Put the fudging solar panels and wind turbine on top of your uglyazz buildings in the cities and leave our views alone.
It's an infringement on our peace and tranquility!
I think it is ''disgusting that people who live in rural areas'' suck off the public tit to pay for their power system
then complain about others making money from wind or solar power on private property as the kochie cult demands burn more oil while the farmers are commies living off the gov and other peoples taxes [crop supports giveaways cheap loans ect]
I think it is ''disgusting that people who live in rural areas'' suck off the public tit to pay for their power system
then complain about others making money from wind or solar power on private property as the kochie cult demands burn more oil while the farmers are commies living off the gov and other peoples taxes [crop supports giveaways cheap loans ect]
Fine. Grow your own fudging food. Don't spoil the landscape and quiet of the countryside with your hedonistic lifestyle.
Farmer Brittany Staie of Sprout City Farms, and farm manager at Jack's Solar Garden, picks tomatoes which have been growing at Jack’s Solar Garden in Longmont, Colorado. Jack’s is a 1.2 MW, five-acre community solar farm and is the largest agrivoltaic research project in the U.S. The solar project was designed and built by Namasté Solar. Photo by Werner Slocum / NREL; September 1, 2021.
Farmer Brittany Staie of Sprout City Farms, and farm manager at Jack's Solar Garden, picks tomatoes which have been growing at Jack’s Solar Garden in Longmont, Colorado. Jack’s is a 1.2 MW, five-acre community solar farm and is the largest agrivoltaic research project in the U.S. The solar project was designed and built by Namasté Solar. Photo by Werner Slocum / NREL; September 1, 2021.
I actually think this is a really good "dual-use" of agricultural land. As long as certain standards are met (4/8/12 month solar panel cleaning don't use chemicals that get into the vegetables or fruit), this could go a long way to minimizing the impact of land use, and sort of... playing off each other. The solar panels provide shade to the tomato plants so they don't get full-on sun and scorch them.
Couple of things I'm curious about:
1 - Irrigation... I'm assuming you don't want to just broadcast water across the solar panels. I know they're water proof, but that amount of water at constant intervals could affect them... perhaps drip irrigation.
2 - Recycling of the land (if needed) in between crop production... how can you till the soil without potentially damaging the underground utility? It appears the cabling in those images is underground... in my opinion, it should be suspended or even transmitted through each solar panel... like legos, if you will... not like 80s Christmas lights.
3 - Harvesting of the crops. Having the panels there largely prevents the use of equipment and machinery, so they'd need to be picked by hand... which is not a problem so long as we can get people with work visas. But something to consider.
Personally, I think it's a bit of an over-engineering for something that you're going to be covering with cars and pedestrians. It actually makes more sense to me to simply just build solar panels that act as roofs for the sidewalks. Why put them in the road when you can use them as shade for pedestrians and people in the bike lane?
I think it is disgusting that people who live in rural areas are forced to live with the monstrosities of the green energy push - ugly ass solar farms and imposing wind turbines that defile the beautiful countryside.
And the power they generate is needed by the ultra high demand for electricity by the population centers, not the rural areas!
Put the fudging solar panels and wind turbine on top of your uglyazz buildings in the cities and leave our views alone.
It's an infringement on our peace and tranquility!
We don't need 'dual use' agricultural land. It's agricultural land - use it to grow food.
Tomatoes grow just fine in a field, they have for longer than you and I have been around and they have leaves to prevent the fruit from scorching.
Put your green energy BS on your roof in the city and leave the countryside alone!
Originally posted by olejoedad: We don't need 'dual use' agricultural land. It's agricultural land—use it to grow food. Tomatoes grow just fine in a field, they have for longer than you and I have been around and they have leaves to prevent the fruit from scorching. Put your green energy BS on your roof in the city and leave the countryside alone..!
I can't remember how many stories I've heard about people with agricultural land expressing strong negative reactions—like olejoedad—to agrivoltaics. Then a "rep" showed them how it could actually increase the amount of income they had been realizing from the land that they owned. Suddenly, the same land owners became agrivoltaics evangelists, encouraging their neighbors to consider it for themselves!
Agrivoltaics can involve solar power generation on fields that are simultaneously used to grow farm crops, but that's not the only scenario.
quote
The majority of the over 2.8 GW of energy generated in the U.S. on agrivoltaic sites currently does not pair solar generation with crops. As an alternative form of agrivoltaics, solar developers have adapted projects to support livestock grazing and/or pollinator habitats. Grazing arrangements allow sheep or other small animals to manage the vegetation under and around the panels. These animals will graze for free, or with a payment from the solar developer to the farmer, often creating a win-win-win system: the animals receive food and shade, farmers reduce cost and often receive a payment for managing vegetation, and developers reduce vegetation management cost. Sheep are often the preferred grazing animal, as they present a low risk of damaging solar panels and will not chew on metal and wiring, unlike goats.
Other agrivoltaic projects utilize solar fields to cultivate habitats for pollinators, like bees. This agrivoltaic system is both simple and flexible: it often only involves the developer installing solar arrays and seeding pollinator-friendly plants around and/or beneath the panels. While the plants may take several seasons to become established, their presence will ultimately benefit the surrounding agriculture, which depends on pollinators for crop yield. As a secondary benefit, these plants keep the solar panels cooler, increasing performance and longevity while reducing mowing and maintenance cost for developers.
"Just 1% of U.S. farmland..."
quote
While agrivoltaics research is still in relatively early stages, harmonizing agricultural and solar energy interests has the potential to greatly benefit both industries. According to a 2021 University of Oregon study, converting just 1% of U.S. farmland to agrivoltaic systems would allow solar developers to reach upcoming renewable energy targets. For farmers, agrivoltaics create the rare opportunity to make agricultural land dual-use, allowing farmers to diversify income streams while continuing crop production. As interest continues to grow, developers should expect new and varied opportunities to implement agrivoltaics in future projects.
"Common Ground: Agrivoltaics Provide Mutual Benefits to Developers and Farmers" Jordan Farrell and Bo Mahr for Husch Blackwell "Climate Solutions"; December 20, 2023. https://www.climatesolution...cultural-production/
[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 02-25-2024).]
I can't remember how many stories I've heard about people with agricultural land expressing strong negative reactions—like olejoedad—to agrivoltaics. Then a "rep" showed them how it could actually increase the amount of income they had been realizing from the land that they owned. Suddenly, the same land owners became agrivoltaics evangelists, encouraging their neighbors to consider it for themselves!
Name them, and how many of them there were, the crops they were farming and the yields they were getting.
Originally posted by olejoedad: Name them, and how many of them there were, the crops they were farming and the yields they were getting.
My little anecdote about agrivoltaics evangelists was just a joke. But aside from that, the remainder of my post is For Your Information... the text that is Copy & Paste.
Farmers and ranchers aren't being forced to install agrivoltaic setups. They are being incentivized.
Some of it may prove ineffective, but your reaction to it seems more emotional than reasoned.
Can you think of any drawbacks to using fossil fuels for energy?
Even if you believe that more carbon dioxide is a good thing, there are other environmental impacts from the oil and gas industry and the coal industry, and they mostly come as environmental damage and not benefits for the environment. Or would you even argue with that?
As far as the photovoltaic solar panels or solar PV, there are drawbacks. How to keep the solar panel surfaces free of dust and grime, to maintain their efficiency. Are there better solar PV technologies that what is now commonly used? How to dispose of the solar PV at the end of its service life, or how to recycle it. It's a work in progress.
[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 02-25-2024).]
