We can live in fear of, or in harmony with nature. I choose the latter. Manage the forest for the benefit of both man and nature. This is where capitalism can again shine. The best people to manage the forests are those who can profit from the forest: the lumber companies. Lumber is a crop, not that different from corn and wheat. A farmer will always do what he can to increase his yield, not destroy his land.
The best people to manage the forests are those who can profit from the forest: the lumber companies.
Not from what I've seen here in British Columbia.
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Lumber is a crop, not that different from corn and wheat. A farmer will always do what he can to increase his yield, not destroy his land.
Not in this neck of the woods.
Lumber companies aren't interested in "managing" the land (unless they have no choice). They'd rather the government assign them vast tracks of virgin crown land in order to harvest old growth forest. I'm certainly not against logging, as we need wood, but I'm also fully aware that it's solely profit that drives the lumber companies... not caring for the land.
If there is one thing Canada has an abundance off, it is trees and wood.
Capitalism and corporates and international trade have created slash-and-burn-and sell to international markets. Same as the Amazon slashing and burning.
Sorry, I got no problem with taking the wood (or oil) from the land to support this country.
As for destroying the land to sell at the expense of our own....
Screw that idea. Go grow your own trees.
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Capitalism and corporates and international trade have created slash-and-burn-and sell to international markets.
Want to know why it's so difficult to find a straight 2x4 in the local lumber yards? Because the best lumber is sold and shipped offshore. Really pisses me off.
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Want to know why it's so difficult to find a straight 2x4 in the local lumber yards? Because the best lumber is sold and shipped offshore. Really pisses me off.
Is that just in Canada? I haven't gotten a 2x4 in 6 months... but last time I was at Home Depot, they have at least 4-5 different selections of 2x4s. They have the normal shitty wall studs, which can have knots in them, but then also pressure treated, and then they also have fine poplar and (some other wood) 2x4s which are perfectly straight with rounded edges.
But definitely, there are some crappy 2x4s... but also an equal selection of better ones. The price is definitely noticeable though... $4 bucks for basically crap, and $8 bucks for something decent. About 3 years ago, it was all half that price before inflation.
Ya got your bent, wet crappy pine-spruce-fir or equally bent SPF pressure treated.
Right. Dont bother.
Just head for the metal studs and composite deck boards. At least those are useable.
Poplar is just a type of tree that grows more quickly and is thus more sustainable. But when cut and cured properly, it's straighter, has fewer knots in it, and a much higher quality piece of wood with which to work with. The pressure treated stuff, and that which gets used outside or as studs in South East states (when they don't use galvenized thin steel studs)... no idea what they are made of, maybe poplar too, but it's a lower quality that's not rounded as much... basically they take the splinters off the corners, but it's garbage, and more likely to warp.
The shitty stuff, they basically leave it in stacks under a covered outdoor structure so that it dries under the weight of the stack, thus preventing warping as it dries.
If you guys are getting wood that's warped... it's likely because it's not being given time to dry properly. This would be more obvious if when you are buying the wood, it still feels wet, or is slightly heavier too. This could ALSO mean that there's a huge economic boom in Canada and there's a lot of construction and there's a shortage on it... no idea though...
Poplar is just a type of tree that grows more quickly and is thus more sustainable. But when cut and cured properly, it's straighter, has fewer knots in it, and a much higher quality piece of wood with which to work with. The pressure treated stuff, and that which gets used outside or as studs in South East states (when they don't use galvenized thin steel studs)... no idea what they are made of, maybe poplar too, but it's a lower quality that's not rounded as much... basically they take the splinters off the corners, but it's garbage, and more likely to warp.
The shitty stuff, they basically leave it in stacks under a covered outdoor structure so that it dries under the weight of the stack, thus preventing warping as it dries.
If you guys are getting wood that's warped... it's likely because it's not being given time to dry properly. This would be more obvious if when you are buying the wood, it still feels wet, or is slightly heavier too. This could ALSO mean that there's a huge economic boom in Canada and there's a lot of construction and there's a shortage on it... no idea though...
was a build boom here too
rhonda just run off the labor with illegal BS rules
Originally posted by Fats: If the Climate Activists really believed any of the crap they post, they would be out planting trees all day.
This remark has become something of a tagline or slogan. It made its way into this thread on July 11, in the midst of news headlines about record-setting high temperatures. It checks all the boxes for "glib" as defined in Merriam-Webster's online dictionary:
It's a glibness about the realities of human-attributable climate change that's shared by the current frontrunner for the 2024 Republican nomination for president:
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Trump claimed that unnamed people aren’t talking about the threat of nuclear weapons because they are obsessed with environmental issues, which he said, “they say may affect us in 300 years.” He added, “They say the ocean will rise 1/8 of an inch over the next 200 to 300 years. But don’t worry about nuclear weapons that can take out entire countries with one shot.”
Facts First: Trump’s claims are false—even if you ignore the absurd contention that people aren’t paying attention to nuclear threats because they’re focused on the environment. Sea levels are expected to rise much faster than Trump said. The US government’s National Ocean Service said on its website that “sea level along the U.S. coastline is projected to rise, on average, 10-12 inches (0.25-0.30 meters) in the next 30 years (2020-2050), which will be as much as the rise measured over the last 100 years (1920-2020).”
And though Trump didn’t use the words “climate change” in this claim, he strongly suggested that people say climate change may only affect us in 300 years. That is grossly inaccurate; it is affecting the US today. The Department of Defense said in a 2021 report: “Increasing temperatures; changing precipitation patterns; and more frequent, intense, and unpredictable extreme weather conditions caused by climate change are exacerbating existing risks and creating new security challenges for U.S. interests.”
Now we have Republican leadership "barking up the wrong tree" so to speak, by talking up the idea of planting 1,000,000,000,000 (one trillion) trees to counter the planet-warming effect of carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels and other human-attributable greenhouse gases:
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As Speaker Kevin McCarthy visited a natural gas drilling site in northeast Ohio to promote House Republicans’ plan to sharply increase domestic production of energy from fossil fuels last month, the signs of rising global temperatures could not be ignored. Smoke from Canadian wildfires hung in the air.
When the speaker was asked about climate change and forest fires, he was ready with a response: Plant a trillion trees.
The idea—simple yet massively ambitious—revealed recent Republican thinking on how to address climate change. The party is no longer denying that global warming exists, yet is searching for a response to sweltering summers, weather disasters and rising sea levels that doesn’t involve abandoning their enthusiastic support for American-produced energy from burning oil, coal and gas.
“We need to manage our forests better so our environment can be stronger,” said McCarthy, R-Calif., adding, “Let’s replace Russian natural gas with American natural gas and let’s not only have a cleaner world, let’s have a safer world.”
"House Republicans propose planting a trillion trees as they move away from climate change denial"
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The tree-planting push has drawn intense pushback from environmental scientists who call it a distraction from cutting emissions from fossil fuels.
John D. Sterman is the Jay W. Forrester (not "forester") Professor of Management at the MIT Sloan School of Management.
Andrew Jones is the Executive Director and Co-Founder of Climate Interactive and a Research Affiliate at the MIT Sloan School of Management.
These are their top-line findings:
Planting a trillion trees would account for about 6 percent of the total amount of CO2 emissions reductions needed by 2050 to achieve the climate mitigation called for in the Paris climate accord.
Planting a trillion trees would require a land area of 900 million hectares, or nearly three times the land of the entire nation of India.
Achieving the same amount of climate mitigation with CO2 reductions from additional wind and solar energy would require only 15 million hectares by 2050, or just a small fraction of the land for a trillion tree-scale reforestation effort.
The U.S. will be hard put to make good on current plans involving reforestation on the scale of 1,000,000,000 (one billion) tree seedlings by 2030, according to this report from Sheri Walsh for UPI; August 1, 2023: https://www.upi.com/Science...rcity/4071690862852/
This is a fulsome discussion of the glibness of the "No worries, we can just plan a trillion new trees" mindset when it comes to climate change:
"Republicans want to plant a trillion trees. Scientists are skeptical."
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New research casts doubt on the climate strategy pushed by House Speaker Kevin McCarthy and other GOP leaders.
If climate activists really believed what they say, they would be planting trees.
This is a glib remark. Anyone who says this is being glib. Anyone who is in the habit of saying things like this is manifestly glib, and so would be accurately characterized as having a glib personality type; i.e., a glib person... a person with the dubious "gift of glib"... being mindful of the age-old adage that "all that glibbers is not gold."
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I think that I shall never see, a HOAX more BOGUS than "plant a tree."
NOAA has been monitoring atmospheric CO2 and other greenhouse gases continuously at various stations around the world. This is data from a monitoring station near the South Pole, showing the steady increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide since 1975, when this South Pole station was inaugurated. The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, measured in Parts Per Million or "ppm", has increased steadily from 325 ppm in 1975, to the current level of almost 420 ppm.
The slightly "jiggly" appearance of the line that's been constructed from the data points is the seasonal variation of a small increase or decrease in CO2 as each year progresses through its winter, spring, summer and fall. This is a biologically-driven phenomenon. There's a gap in the data from 1982 to 1983, which I would have to look online to be able to explain. Where the line ends is accented with red, because that data is still preliminary.
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Nothing to worry about for residents and visitors to the Florida Keys, in terms of the impacts of rising sea levels?
Call me "skeptical."
"Seas have drastically risen along southern U.S. coast in past decade"
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Multiple new studies highlight a rate of sea level rise that is ‘unprecedented in at least 120 years’ along the Gulf of Mexico and southeastern U.S. coast
Originally posted by Patrick: Geez, I dunno Cliff... it appears you have little interest of interacting on this forum without dumping on rinselberg. JazzMan used to be your target.
I never have dumped on anybody. Only their opinion.
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Originally posted by Patrick: No one ever suggested that you had to "deal" with JazzMan at all... but you made the decision of your own volition that you were going to straighten him out to your liking because you had "experience with dealing with autism"... and oh yeah, your "empathy cup overflows". Worked out really well, didn't it.
The decision I made was to stand up to his decision of his own volition that he was going straighten out the whole forum to his liking about threads veering to political discussion.
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Originally posted by Patrick: Wow, that's an interesting way of desperately trying to totally flip the blame for what happened... but I guess you've had years to convince yourself that you weren't the least bit responsible for what unfortunately transpired.
I did not even need one year to soothe my conscious.
How well did my actions work out ? He was a valuable member of the Forum (I actually liked) who decided to punish the whole forum because he didn't get his way. The only post he did not delete was the one which said all threads deleted (?) because of cliffw. I learned very quickly because of my actions in life that I am replaceable.
You can think anything you want and believe it. I did not get a rise out of tormenting him. I did not follow him from thread to thread dumping on any opinion he made. Only his demand that thread conversation can not evolve to a political aspect.
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ChatRI, what happened to the tax payer backed Proterra? Guess another DNC pump and dump like Sam ("Sammy" as you know 'them' by) da-BANKmon FRIED. Laundering more phoney monies around as usual. They'll be more Solyndra's in the coming future thanks to these D-evil biblical ACTS.
Atop all of these [other] challenges, one of the bigger issues—and one that existed long before the economic conditions changed—are the special needs of transit agency customers. Every transit agency has different requirements for its buses, meaning every bus contract can have vastly different manufacturing requirements than the one before.
“These transit agencies demand highly customized buses that align with the other buses in their respective fleets,” Proterra wrote in the filing. “Therefore, the manufacturing process requires much customization, which makes scaling the business difficult and requires an extensive amount of working capital.”
Proterra still intends to continue as a business. Its hope—stated when it voluntarily filed for protection under Chapter 11—is that the move will “strengthen its financial position” through a recapitalization or going-concern sale.
“The reorganization is intended to maximize the value of each independent business line,” said Proterra spokesperson Shane Levy told TechCrunch, noting that it’s in progress and the end result is unclear.
The company said it will continue operations and will make a request to the bankruptcy court to use existing capital to pay employee salaries and compensating vendors and suppliers.
There are other U.S.-based electric bus manufacturers that are still in business.
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There are other U.S.-based electric bus manufacturers that are still in business.
EV "darling"? In other words, not manufacturing enough rainbow coloured short-buses with special recent bottom surgery seat padding for the transitioners with 5G hotspot and bud-light served on tap.
The fed gov backed a losing robo-horse.
Investors should be cross checked with those who are gov, and double check dates as to when numbers changed. Like multi Briben Generational Offshore Holdings Foundation.
When Solyndra (which WonderBoy referenced) went bankrupt, it was a big financial loss for the federal government to absorb, but Solyndra was part of a package of industrial policy-motivated federal lending to the private sector that resulted in a positive $ return to the federal government.
The $ returns to the federal government from the loans that were repaid were more than the losses from Solyndra and the other loans in the package that went "sour."
Tesla grew from a seed that was nourished by industrial policy-motivated grants and/or loans from the federal government.
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Can someone explain to me why my Apple iPhone keeps issuing "Severe Heat" alerts and every time I use maps, it tells me that "my route might be affected by Extreme Heat Alerts?"
I've lived in Florida for a large portion of my adult life, from 1996-Present. It's been way hotter than this (mid 90s past few days) many, many times over the past couple of decades. I mean... there's times it's been 105+... at no point did anyone say "severe heat advisory." This seems to be a new thing... not in that it's hotter, but that everyone is fear mongering. Why is my phone telling me that my 1 hour road trip will be impacted by "severe heat?" This seems ridiculous...
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Can someone explain to me why my Apple iPhone keeps issuing "Severe Heat" alerts and every time I use maps, it tells me that "my route might be affected by Extreme Heat Alerts?"
The Global Warming scare factor.
I get them too. I never get "Severe Cold" alerts in the winter. Of course I am from Texas.
There are many questions to consider. Such as, at what circumstance does it become a Extreme Heat Alerts.
This is a brief report that adds a little extra to the artwork... that sudden vision you would experience, were you to activate where it says CLICK FOR FULL SIZE.
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration or NOAA is part of the U.S. Department of Commerce.
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I get them too. I never get "Severe Cold" alerts in the winter. Of course I am from Texas.
There are many questions to consider. Such as, at what circumstance does it become a Extreme Heat Alerts.
Yes... having lived here for more than two decades, and having an iPhone for at least 14 years of that... AND... having known that it's been significantly hotter here in Florida across the board many times before now (not even in the 100s... I mean, come on) ... I can make no other assumption than this is political.
Until I see a clearly defined list of requirements that define WHEN / WHY they create these alerts, then I have to assume it's when someone just "thinks" its hot and decides to be dramatic.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Until I see a clearly defined list of requirements that define WHEN / WHY they create these alerts, then I have to assume it's when someone just "thinks" its hot and decides to be dramatic.
What part of "Carbon dioxide hysteria" do you not understand?
Originally posted by WonderBoy: I think Hawaii fires were started by an EV... The world will never know, because the media once again are screaming global boiling.
Even if this fire disaster was started by an EV, it was the drought conditions and high winds from an offshore hurricane that caused the fire to rage so rapidly out of control. Of course, it seems very clear that the island authorities who should have been ready for something like this did not have their ducks in a row as far as emergency preparedness.
I think the drought conditions have the most plausible link to human attributable global warming.
Scroll back five (5) messages before this one and there's something new from NOAA.
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' ... our study found that 100 % of climate models were warming the atmosphere faster than it actually was, not a good result. ' So, like, it's based on bs, right ?
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I know man created all the gods goddesses semi and demi gods also
one BIG clue is there are so many and no logic or reason to the god biz
even the christian version of the big 3 has uncounted and uncountable numbers of sub cults often willing to war on each other over is it 3 into 1 or 1 in 3 or other nonsense about fairy tales
but clearly no god favored cult ever
and those kids you BS about so much are far more likely to be molested at a CHURCH then a drag show if one goes by arrest records
I know man created all the gods goddesses semi and demi gods also
one BIG clue is there are so many and no logic or reason to the god biz
even the christian version of the big 3 has uncounted and uncountable numbers of sub cults often willing to war on each other over is it 3 into 1 or 1 in 3 or other nonsense about fairy tales
but clearly no god favored cult ever
and those kids you BS about so much are far more likely to be molested at a CHURCH then a drag show if one goes by arrest records
There is one God. I am sure you are familiar with the parable of the blind men describing an elephant.
