Maybe it's just me, but I think the rush to get a car back to an unhappy customer that was suing the builder would probably effect the end result of the car.
(I wonder what Madcurl's car would look like right now if he held every builder/painter that has had a hand in it's creation to a timeline and strict budget. My bet is not like the beauty we see after YEARS of hard work he's allowed people to put in, knowing that a job well done takes time.)
Maybe it's just me, but I think the rush to get a car back to an unhappy customer that was suing the builder would probably effect the end result of the car.
(I wonder what Madcurl's car would look like right now if he held every builder/painter that has had a hand in it's creation to a timeline and strict budget. My bet is not like the beauty we see after YEARS of hard work he's allowed people to put in, knowing that a job well done takes time.)
+$.02
Litigation was initiated AFTER I recieved my ruined car. Please stop with the rush comments. The build was quoted for 6 WEEKS, not 6 MONTHS. 2 weeks into the build, when Dean admitted to driving my car, I stated I was coming to get my car the next day. The following morning I recived pics of the car with the body panels removed and the cradle on the floor.
5 MONTHS into the build I gave Dean 4 additional weeks to complete the car. I was sick of his lies and excusses. Remember he quoted 6 WEEKS to build it. Sorry, but the rush comment is moot. Dean dug his own hole.
I also love the engine builders post about the cars delivery. Full boost burnouts across my yard? JUMPING speed bumps? Man I am glad I had my GoPro recording the entire time. When I posted the video.. funny how few acknowledged how full of crap that guy was.
Now if you all want to ignore all the FACTS and side with Dean.... good luck with that.
I have a question... Your lawyer recommended a shop, weeks ago, for you to take the car to have it gone over and the problems notated. Being that you came up with that pic much more recently than that comment, I have to conclude that:
1. You didn't have the car checked at all. or 2. They checked it and missed this. Very thorough, eh? (Since you claim to have found trash in places it should not have been, while Dean had the car, I'd think that this would be one of the first things they'd have looked for.) or 3. They checked it and there was nothing there, and you're "embellishing".
So, which is it? Did I miss a scenario?
And this...
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Turbo oil drain ran UP HILL (oil doesnt gravity drain UP BTW)
People keep nit-picking this one, too. Is the level of the turbo higher than the level of the bottom fitting? I'm sure it is, by at least 6-8 inches, minimum. Probably more. If that's the case, the oil is still draining downhill, even if it has to go back up by an inch or so. (A one inch rise won't block off a 6+ inch drop. Just ain't gonna happen. Unless there's some magical law of physics, as applies to turbos.)
And you can make claims to the contrary all you want... Whatever the original timetable was, that fact remains that you insisted that the car be returned, regardless of its state of completion. That being the case, I have no sympathy for you when you find things that were - wait for it - UNFINISHED!
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People keep nit-picking this one, too. Is the level of the turbo higher than the level of the bottom fitting? I'm sure it is, by at least 6-8 inches, minimum. Probably more. If that's the case, the oil is still draining downhill, even if it has to go back up by an inch or so. (A one inch rise won't block off a 6+ inch drop. Just ain't gonna happen. Unless there's some magical law of physics, as applies to turbos.)
And you can make claims to the contrary all you want... Whatever the original timetable was, that fact remains that you insisted that the car be returned, regardless of its state of completion. That being the case, I have no sympathy for you when you find things that were - wait for it - UNFINISHED!
Oh the car was most certainly inspected. I dont need to prove it to you.. Dean knows by now. You so funny....
There is so much WRONG with the car, "embellishing" would be uber redundant.
The Oil drain.... you couldnt be more clueless on how they work if you tried. You cant possibly believe the rubbish you posted. WOW.
Oh I dont want YOUR sympathy. Keep swinging all you want. There is a difference between finished and built properly. It obvious you refuse to look at the evidence right in front of you and choose to keep your head right where its at. If Dean stopped suddenly, nothing but your feet would be visible.
Again, are you the owner of that IMSA 4cyl or not?
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And its clear you dont understand how it works. I dare you to make a thread about it as it relates to turbo oil drains. Maybe you will learn something.
Since you keep avoiding the question, I figure its safe to assume you are the owner of the IMSA 4cyl that was at Deans back in June. You know DAMN WELL about the grit and metal shavings in my engine. Ignoring the fact or pretending it didn't happen is just pathetic and down right dirty.
Edit.. I gave you a neg long ago. You probably just got one for your idiotic post. You are proving my point, just so you know.
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I still have full confidence in Dean and can't wait to drive the Rottinchop for the first time! I know with a custom car rthat there may be some growing pains. However, I hope Dean drives mine home and back for two weeks to ensure those are kept to a minimum. I know, BV, that yours was a 14k mile original so it probably did not need to be driven at that point so mine is for the opposite reason. Counterpoint would be if it was so low mileage and that was a concern why would you mod it so much? What I mean by that is only why not keep it bone stock and low mile so it stays as valuable as possible or just mod and drive as much as you want with no worry of value? It seems only one of those two are possible at any given time.
Also, for a lesson learned from the forum, out of the whole bad experience you had I hope you could take something positive away: sometimes the delivery of the message is more important than the message itself. It was a wise woman (my mom) that told me you will attract more bees with honey than you will with vinegar. Never tested her theory but I did get her point. I truly hope that one day you will be happy with your turbo car. I, for one, really liked the direction it was headed. I thought the way it was kept near stock looking was very cool and I loved the looks of the engine compartment. keep us posted on its progress!
I still have full confidence in Dean and can't wait to drive the Rottinchop for the first time! I know with a custom car rthat there may be some growing pains. However, I hope Dean drives mine home and back for two weeks to ensure those are kept to a minimum. I know, BV, that yours was a 14k mile original so it probably did not need to be driven at that point so mine is for the opposite reason. Counterpoint would be if it was so low mileage and that was a concern why would you mod it so much? What I mean by that is only why not keep it bone stock and low mile so it stays as valuable as possible or just mod and drive as much as you want with no worry of value? It seems only one of those two are possible at any given time.
progress!
Good post Johny. The was zero reason for my car to be driven by Dean before the build. None, zero. The car was on temp tags with no insurance nothing. It went straight from the dealership to Deans shop. Sorry, you dont drive someones car home at night w/o permission. There isnt a shop or business I know of that will dare do that. The mileage and what I wanted out of the car isnt really the point here.
I still have full confidence in Dean and can't wait to drive the Rottinchop for the first time! I know with a custom car rthat there may be some growing pains. However, I hope Dean drives mine home and back for two weeks to ensure those are kept to a minimum. I know, BV, that yours was a 14k mile original so it probably did not need to be driven at that point so mine is for the opposite reason. Counterpoint would be if it was so low mileage and that was a concern why would you mod it so much? What I mean by that is only why not keep it bone stock and low mile so it stays as valuable as possible or just mod and drive as much as you want with no worry of value? It seems only one of those two are possible at any given time.
Also, for a lesson learned from the forum, out of the whole bad experience you had I hope you could take something positive away: sometimes the delivery of the message is more important than the message itself. It was a wise woman (my mom) that told me you will attract more bees with honey than you will with vinegar. Never tested her theory but I did get her point. I truly hope that one day you will be happy with your turbo car. I, for one, really liked the direction it was headed. I thought the way it was kept near stock looking was very cool and I loved the looks of the engine compartment. keep us posted on its progress!
Best post I have read since the senseless bashing started!
I don't believe that there is a lawsuit or a lawyer. I think if you even consulted a lawyer, he probably laughed you out of his office. Or at least politely told you "no thank you" (and probably patted you on the head.) If there was a suit, any lawyer worth his salt would have told you to just be quiet and let it play out in court.
I don't believe that there is a lawsuit or a lawyer. I think if you even consulted a lawyer, he probably laughed you out of his office. Or at least politely told you "no thank you" (and probably patted you on the head.) If there was a suit, any lawyer worth his salt would have told you to just be quiet and let it play out in court.
LOL, where is Dean then????????????????????????????????????????? Why has he pulled all his Whodeanies off his FB?
And you STILL IGNORE the question about owning the 4cyl IMSA. I want eveyone notice this bit. This is a CLEAR example of someone that witnessed, first hand, one of the major problems with my build and pretends it didn't happen. I freggen shook you and your wife (or GF's) hand!
Sorry, you are just as bad as Dean at this point and can not be trusted. My friends and family know I will NOT lie for them if they did something wrong. I was raised better than that. You do it, you own up to it. Its that simple.
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LOL, where is Dean then????????????????????????????????????????? Why has he pulled all his Whodeanies off his FB?
And you STILL IGNORE the question about owning the 4cyl IMSA. I want eveyone notice this bit. This is a CLEAR example of someone that witnessed, first hand, one of the major problems with my build and pretends it didn't happen. I freggen shook you and your wife (or GF's) hand!
Sorry, you are just as bad as Dean at this point and can not be trusted. My friends and family know I will NOT lie for them if they did something wrong. I was raised better than that. You do it, you own up to it. Its that simple.
Litigation was initiated AFTER I recieved my ruined car.
I apologize, I thought I had read in your build thread or somewhere that your lawyer advised you to get the car from Dean's despite the unfinished condition. I didn't realize you demanded an unfinished car back and then decided to sue because it wasn't done the way you wanted.
I apologize, I thought I had read in your build thread or somewhere that your lawyer advised you to get the car from Dean's despite the unfinished condition. I didn't realize you demanded an unfinished car back and then decided to sue because it wasn't done the way you wanted.
Close. A week or so before the car was delivered I spoke to an attorney (after Dean cussed me out and threatened to put the car out on the street). Mike advised me to get the car back by any means. Even went so far as to type up a letter to give to the local law enforcement if I decided to go an collect my vehicle (just in case). When Dean dropped off the car, we shook hands and that was to be the end of it. I posted in my thread about the smoking issue and some really minor stuff (I even said it wasnt a big deal) and Dean lost his mind. You guys want me to post the texts? I have like 200 of them. Its the last 8 or so that really show who some of you are blindly trusting with your property and $$$$. Anyway, after that, I went to see Mike and he got the ball rolling. I was without my car for a few days while he sent it to a local shop to be inspected. I had to go to my cell phone company to get a print out of all our texts, got all my emails and PM's from here. Gave Mike the web addy for my thread and he did his thing. I almost just let it go... almost. But the more I find, the more upset I get. Plus, getting ostracized on here didn't help. If you all would just read my 14k mile 88GT thread, you'd see what I am talking about. Those that even hinted at agreeing with me got arbitrarily neg'd. So most was sent via PM after that. The mob mentality was shocking.
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OK, in the spirit of trying to help all parties involved, I'm going to stick my foot in my mouth.
BV, I haven't negged you, and I'm not jumping on anyone's bandwagon here. If you have pending litigation against Dean, it would be best not to continue to spill anything into a thread that might contradict anything you may have previously said. Lawyers have a way of picking that stuff apart, and I'm sure Dean will probably be represented by one if this goes to court. In short, you're probably hurting yourself the more you say. I believe that the car was supposed to have been done by a certain time and wasn't. I also believe that you got the car back unfinished. Aside from these things, I don't know enough to make a decision and really it's not my business at the moment.
Now, here's where I have to say that not everyone here is being 100% honest either. I know for a fact that more than one person that has a car at Dean's is concerned right now. More than one car has taken quite a bit longer than they should have, and the owners are staying quiet in the hopes that they will get their cars back finished, but let's be real it's human nature to be concerned that the same thing will happen to them. Why aren't they being vocal? Because their cars are still there, and it would be a bad idea to strain a relationship with someone who has your car. I know, as I've been through this very thing. I'm not saying they have any reason to worry, but I know somewhere deep down they are.
I don't know why Dean hasn't been calling people or updating anyone. I don't see an excuse for that. As it was pointed out, a coffee house has free wifi, and there are ways to make phone calls. In my opinion, this will be his biggest mstake if he doesn't overcome this little "oversight". In short, BV if you have anything pending let it play out in court and don't give the other side any ammo. Dean, if you're still working on stuff, you need to keep people's concerns in mind. While this may or may not hurt your relationship with the people that have already given their cars to you, it is surely going to hurt your future business not to mind the communication a little better. I already sent you some business, and the lack of communication was an issue, as was some inconsistency. I was willing to overlook these things, but I'll be waiting to see how some of this plays out before I'll be willing to send my car. At this point, I've only had it running and driving about 3 months out of the over three years I've owned it, and I'm not going to be willing to let it sit in another shop for an undue amount of time.
I have no idea if any of this matters, but this is my perception from someone who has done business with Dean, and intended to do more, but is now cautious to see how this all goes.
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Then you are not Clay... thats the guy. Man you sure are a douchebag. I really hope we meet one day.
Actually, I find that amusing. And a compliment, considering the source.
And I made my point, too. You didn't have any idea who you were talking to. And still don't as far as that goes. (Whatever made you think I was Clay, is beyond me. Talk about making assumptions. But that's your own fault. I just let you run with it.)
Interstingly...I noticed all previously threatening statements have been edited out. Never post angry! ...or text or phone or email or any other form of communication!
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I just left Dean's shop and everything is business as usual. BV, you sir have some personal issues. I will post photos later when I get to Birmingham and have a Milo's burger.
Interstingly...I noticed all previously threatening statements have been edited out. Never post angry! ...or text or phone or email or any other form of communication!
Maybe someone figured out what the definition of assault and/or battery is.
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I just left Dean's shop and everything is business as usual. BV, you sir have some personal issues. I will post photos later when I get to Birmingham and have a Milo's burger.
I just left Dean's shop and everything is business as usual. BV, you sir have some personal issues. I will post photos later when I get to Birmingham and have a Milo's burger.
Good deal, is your car on target for being picked up, or did you pick it up today?
Interstingly...I noticed all previously threatening statements have been edited out. Never post angry! ...or text or phone or email or any other form of communication!
Who did what? Did I miss something?
You guys have it all figured out. Trust me, I will be the first one to throw in a "I told you so" when this all goes pear-shaped.
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My car has been at Deans for a year and 3 months and due dates have been missed and it has upset me but I trust dean. Customization of any kind takes time anybody who knows ANYTHING knows that and things come up that slows things down. It does no good to demand your car back unfinished, you're just asking for issues. As for you BV, you demanded an unfinished car and that's what you got, now you complain about it that is your problem. If you do have a lawyer then let them deal with it and keep your whining on your page so we don't have to see it.
to all of my friends here on this forum.... I have been doing some reworking of the shop to get it in order and restructure the web site. it is business as always at the shop. as most of you know already I do not camp out here like I once did not because of anything other that I am hard at work on my customers cars and I do not have the desire to trash this forum with petty BS! I had to change my # because the cell company kept trying to charge me way too much so I had to get a new one but I did go a few days without one.
I do not have anyone but me that takes my phone calls so during the day I do not pick up much because I am working but I do try to call people back at the end of my day.
we are working on the cars that we already have, we are not taking on new cars at this time because the ones in the shop need to be done.
I will try to make it a point to post new pics and updates at least once a week for all of our customers and to keep the thread going in the right direction. have a fantastic night to all D.
to all of my friends here on this forum.... I have been doing some reworking of the shop to get it in order and restructure the web site. it is business as always at the shop. as most of you know already I do not camp out here like I once did not because of anything other that I am hard at work on my customers cars and I do not have the desire to trash this forum with petty BS! I had to change my # because the cell company kept trying to charge me way too much so I had to get a new one but I did go a few days without one.
I do not have anyone but me that takes my phone calls so during the day I do not pick up much because I am working but I do try to call people back at the end of my day.
we are working on the cars that we already have, we are not taking on new cars at this time because the ones in the shop need to be done.
I will try to make it a point to post new pics and updates at least once a week for all of our customers and to keep the thread going in the right direction. have a fantastic night to all D.
Dean,
I hope all of the issues get resolved. A stronger presence will help your customers keep insecurities at bay. No matter what happens, I hope everyone recovers from any issues.
I hope all of the issues get resolved. A stronger presence will help your customers keep insecurities at bay. No matter what happens, I hope everyone recovers from any issues.
to all of my friends here on this forum.... I have been doing some reworking of the shop to get it in order and restructure the web site. it is business as always at the shop. as most of you know already I do not camp out here like I once did not because of anything other that I am hard at work on my customers cars and I do not have the desire to trash this forum with petty BS! I had to change my # because the cell company kept trying to charge me way too much so I had to get a new one but I did go a few days without one.
I do not have anyone but me that takes my phone calls so during the day I do not pick up much because I am working but I do try to call people back at the end of my day.
we are working on the cars that we already have, we are not taking on new cars at this time because the ones in the shop need to be done.
I will try to make it a point to post new pics and updates at least once a week for all of our customers and to keep the thread going in the right direction. have a fantastic night to all D.
In true Whodeanie fashon! Now that that is cleared up, lets get this thread back to what it was before an irate member started trashing it.
Ding! My thoughts. Lawyers hate having clients talk about the case before court. You will say (have said) things to damage your case.
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It occurs to me...
I don't believe that there is a lawsuit or a lawyer. I think if you even consulted a lawyer, he probably laughed you out of his office. Or at least politely told you "no thank you" (and probably patted you on the head.) If there was a suit, any lawyer worth his salt would have told you to just be quiet and let it play out in court.
Originally posted by BV MotorSports: Set back and watch this unfold. I hope it works out for the car owners. Thats all I will say for now.
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Originally posted by BV MotorSports: I just hope no other customer goes thru what I am... but they are, they just cant say anything...... YET.
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Originally posted by BV MotorSports: Notice there isnt anything about Whodeanies on Dean's fb anymore.. I'm telling you guys... this is not going to end well
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Originally posted by BV MotorSports: You haven't heard much else PUBLICLY.... YET.
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Originally posted by BV MotorSports: Trust me, I will be the first one to throw in a "I told you so" when this all goes pear-shaped.
Ok We get it! You know, or think you know, something that we do not know. We get it.. HONESTLY! Now let the lawyers handle the legalities and such. Constantly babbling on and on and on here is NOT going to help you or other forum members.
BTW: No, I do not have a car at Dean's shop. I did however spend 3 days there when he gratiously donated his shop for the "Joel Project". It was an effort to take a really beat up notchie and restore it, engine replacement and all, to help a family going through some tough times. Dean opened his shop, donated parts, and let 20 people have use of his tools and facility. Dean is an a OK guy in my book!
During that time I got to meet a few of Dean's customers, and listen to them praise the work that Dean and the guys had done on their cars.
BTW: No, I do not have a car at Dean's shop. I did however spend 3 days there when he gratiously donated his shop for the "Joel Project". It was an effort to take a really beat up notchie and restore it, engine replacement and all, to help a family going through some tough times. Dean opened his shop, donated parts, and let 20 people have use of his tools and facility. Dean is an a OK guy in my book!
During that time I got to meet a few of Dean's customers, and listen to them praise the work that Dean and the guys had done on their cars.
I don't have a car at Dean's shop either (that's only because I do 100% of ALL of my mechanical work), but I did have him do non-car related work for me about 6 years ago. There was one slight problem with his work which he fixed right away with no hassles or no additional expense to me. Without hesitation, I've recommended Dean's shop to many Fiero owners. I've known Dean for over 6 years, and Dean's opening up his shop for the "Joel Project" car is the guy I know.
