Originally posted by theBDub: I think you missed where I referred to an alternate history. It wasn’t always like this, and didn’t have to be like this.
Many mistakes on both sides resulted in where we are today. Not taking away from the terror attacks or putting blame on victims.
I’m just saying I wish we could see what that alternate history might have looked like. Maybe the Muslims of the area would have still been radicalized much like their neighbors and it would look similar to today. Or maybe it wouldn’t.
Brennan, I didn't miss your reference. I think, it always has been like this.
You "alternate history" thoughts align much like alternate reality.
Originally posted by theBDub: I mentioned Israel is held by others to a higher standard than the terrorists they fight. Hamas is the terrorist group I'm talking about—not sure I can be any clearer on how I feel about them.
Have you ever been in a fight ? Myself, only a few. Might have lost a few of them also, .
I know three people who love to fight. They do not pick them but love it when someone else does. I listen to their self defense advice. They do not know each other but all say, "there are no rules in a fight". (A contest is not a fight.) Well, actually, they mean "get your azz kicked or kick azz".
Israel should not be held to a higher standard than the terrorists they fight. Israel did not start the fight. Again and again and again.
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Originally posted by theBDub: It’s just a lamentation for what could have been, nothing more.
I commend your thoughts. We all have them. Some say "if pigs can fly".
Originally posted by cliffw: Israel should not be held to a higher standard than the terrorists they fight. Israel did not start the fight. Again and again and again.
I commend your thoughts. We all have them. Some say "if pigs can fly".
the Zionist started the fight by re invasion the Arabs were there before that re invasion thousands of arabs were killed much like the recent rerun at the kibbutz
the zionists have terror on their side with jets and tanks [we paid for] gaza is a prison hostage to zion terror zionist Israel's apartheid against Palestinians can not be just or fair and must end
I don't give much of a f*** what you do. I will never tell you you're doing wrong (other than acting like - IMHO - an illiterate tool, and being a pain in the ass.) But your morals are not for me to decide, as long as you don't infringe upon my - or anyone else's - rights. I do stuff that would annoy lots of "good" folks. I don't care much about that, either. The other folks? That's your/their problem.
This pretty much hits the nail on the head. I don't read the vast majority of Ray's posts because they haven't in the past and don't make much sense now. It's not so much what he has to say, it's more that I have no idea what the hell he's trying to say. Reading, writing, spelling and punctuation are good skill/knowledge to have if you're going to try and communicate with the written word.
But, back to the thread topic. Edited: Reference the current situation in Israel, I really don't care why HAMAS attacked and killed around 1400 people, for that, Israel should make them pay a huge price. The only way to fight and win a war is to totally destroy the enemy's ability and will to fight. I fully expect Israel to kick some ass and not worry about the names. I would also expect this fight to spread regionally and the US to cover Israel's ass with air and naval forces but, do not expect to see any boots on the ground. Israel hasn't asked for our soldiers or Marines to fight their battles. ------------------ Rams Learning most of life's lessons the hard way. . You are only young once but, you can be immature indefinitely.
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Originally posted by blackrams: This pretty much hits the nail on the head. I don't read the vast majority of Ray's posts because they haven't in the past and don't make much sense now. It's not so much what he has to say, it's more that I have no idea what the hell he's trying to say. Reading, writing, spelling and punctuation are good skill/knowledge to have if you're going to try and communicate with the written word.
It's a distinctive patois that rewards the practiced reader with a rich constellation of historical and cultural references in a highly idiosyncratic style that language researchers call "Ray B."
Scholars have compared "Ray B" to "Linear B."
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It's a distinctive patois that rewards the practiced reader with a rich constellation of historical and cultural references in a highly idiosyncratic style that language researchers call "Ray B."
Scholars have compared "Ray B" to "Linear B."
You didn't do well in school, did you. Or did you major in gobbledegook?
It's a distinctive patois that rewards the practiced reader with a rich constellation of historical and cultural references in a highly idiosyncratic style that language researchers call "Ray B."
Scholars have compared "Ray B" to "Linear B."
As I previously stated, "Back to the thread's topic".
Rams
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Originally posted by rinselberg: It's a distinctive patois that rewards the practiced reader with a rich constellation of historical and cultural references in a highly idiosyncratic style that language researchers call "Ray B."
Scholars have compared "Ray B" to "Linear B."
PFF scholars have compared rinselberg to "Ray B". Neither speaks English.
This pretty much hits the nail on the head. I don't read the vast majority of Ray's posts because they haven't in the past and don't make much sense now. It's not so much what he has to say, it's more that I have no idea what the hell he's trying to say. Reading, writing, spelling and punctuation are good skill/knowledge to have if you're going to try and communicate with the written word.
But, back to the thread topic. Edited: Reference the current situation in Israel, I really don't care why HAMAS attacked and killed around 1400 people, for that, Israel should make them pay a huge price. The only way to fight and win a war is to totally destroy the enemy's ability and will to fight. I fully expect Israel to kick some ass and not worry about the names. I would also expect this fight to spread regionally and the US to cover Israel's ass with air and naval forces but, do not expect to see any boots on the ground. Israel hasn't asked for our soldiers or Marines to fight their battles.
THE ZIONIST TROOPS HAVE KILLED 1500 KIDS arabs claim in gaza after the raid killed 1400 people so on topic is that a war crime how many dead is enough revenge ?
Originally posted by ray b: how many dead is enough revenge ?
Revenge ? It's not about revenge ray b. It is about future safety. I am sad that so many non participants are troubled. They should pick better neighbors.
Funny that. No other Muslim countries welcome them. Perhaps other Muslim countries should pitch in with eradication.
Revenge ? It's not about revenge ray b. It is about future safety. I am sad that so many non participants are troubled. They should pick better neighbors.
Funny that. No other Muslim countries welcome them. Perhaps other Muslim countries should pitch in with eradication.
revenge is all it is they are in their country perhaps attempted eradication is the root problem and if the zionist would stop that there could be a peace
gaza is a prison camp no one in or out that is the root
Revenge? It's not about revenge ray b. It is about future safety. I am sad that so many non-participants are troubled. They should pick better neighbors.
Funny that. No other Muslim countries welcome them. Perhaps other Muslim countries should pitch in with eradication.
Precisely!
Additionally, the Gaza strip occupants (supposedly) elected HAMAS as their governing body, bad decisions have consequences.
Anyone that doesn't see that HAMAS wants to kill all Jews and eliminate Israel either can't read or simply sides with evil. Israel didn't start this but, I have no doubt, they will finish it. The old saying of not bringing a knife to a gun fight seems applicable here.
Another media report garners the coveted "rinse-approved" attestation.
"This Israeli-Hamas War Has Smashed Comforting Assumptions"
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Some paradigms taken for granted about Israel and the Palestinians, both in Gaza and the West Bank, have been broken. So has the idea that Washington can ignore the Middle East.
The first of the four paradigms:
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For many years, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel carried out a strategy designed to split the Palestinians between the West Bank and Gaza. He worked to weaken the power of the Palestinian Authority, the governing body led by President Mahmoud Abbas, by allowing Hamas to retain control over Gaza.
The theory was that Hamas, supported financially by Qatar, would concentrate more on governing the enclave, and might become more moderate through that responsibility, while also ensuring that it did not hit Israel so hard as to engender a huge military response that would undermine its rule. The conception, as the Israelis like to call it, was to allow Gazans to live better and thus incentivize Hamas to maintain relative calm.
In practice, that meant Israel allowed Qatar to fund the Hamas government, while providing essentially free electricity and enough water, food and medicine for people to get by. Israel allowed a small number of Gazans to work in Israel, but, with Egypt, kept most of the population locked inside what many called “an open air prison.”
“This entire strategy has one goal,” said Noa Shusterman Dvir, who studies the Palestinian arena for MIND Israel, which describes itself as a nonprofit consulting firm for Israeli national security institutions. “Weakening the Palestinian Authority and strengthening Hamas is designed to hinder peace efforts, to prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.”
Now, Ms. Shusterman Dvir said, “the concept of ‘managing the conflict’ is broken.”
Steven Erlanger is the chief diplomatic correspondent in Europe for The New York Times, a position he assumed in 2017. He is based in Berlin. This article was filed from Jerusalem.
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We know Hamas kills children in horrible ways. They do it on purpose. It is what they do. They are animals.
This is something that's very specific and needs to be addressed...
The reason WHY Hamas can (and do) kill people so easily (both their own people, and heretics) is because of their fundamentalist view of their religion. With respect to their own people, they view muslims killed in the name of Jihad as automatically going to heaven. So... they can kill their own children, or their own people... because they are accessories to God's will, and are viewed as heroes. For killing Jews, for example... the action is viewed highly (in their minds) as doing God's work. So while most of us would view these things as horrific... they are DRIVEN by these actions through religious zeal.
This is something that's very specific and needs to be addressed...
The reason WHY Hamas can (and do) kill people so easily (both their own people, and heretics) is because of their fundamentalist view of their religion. With respect to their own people, they view muslims killed in the name of Jihad as automatically going to heaven. So... they can kill their own children, or their own people... because they are accessories to God's will, and are viewed as heroes. For killing Jews, for example... the action is viewed highly (in their minds) as doing God's work. So while most of us would view these things as horrific... they are DRIVEN by these actions through religious zeal.
They kill out of anger, jealousy, greed. In a word, evil. That they attribute their killing to religion is testament to the fact that they do not worship God.
Explain why there are rocket launchers next to play grounds, hospitals and schools.
they could take out the launchers with frags no need to knock out multi-story buildings let alone city blocks at a time
people of gaza can never leave any that do get out can never return but any jew gets in anywhere sorry terror is on both sides has been for many years and saying one side is wrong will never stop it
BOTH ARE VERY WRONG OFFICIALLY NO ONE IS RIGHT
BTW BOTH SIDES ARE rwnj's as are the christian's who support the zionists
leftists are the peace movement on both sides
rightests are the mad bombers there on both sides
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they could take out the launchers with frags no need to knock out multi-story buildings let alone city blocks at a time
people of gaza can never leave any that do get out can never return but any jew gets in anywhere sorry terror is on both sides has been for many years and saying one side is wrong will never stop it
BOTH ARE VERY WRONG OFFICIALLY NO ONE IS RIGHT
BTW BOTH SIDES ARE rwnj's as are the christian's who support the zionists
leftists are the peace movement on both sides
rightests are the mad bombers there on both sides
You are one of the funniest guys on the Forum, and I don't mean humorous.
Why hamas sympathizers and their ilk must be removed from the planet. ' Hamas sympathizers and their ilk must be removed from the planet, because they are detrimental to peace, and are murderous maniacs. ' Well, since that is true, it won't be long before Israel sends a few preemptive missiles to Tehran, to make them believe their imagined invincibility is, in fact, false. What ? We should wait to be attacked, then, retaliate ? Surprised by the bright white light far above the city, the people only had time to..
Hamas make the old PLO strongman Yas-sir I Are Fat (that's a RayB-ism from way back) look like a peacenik.
When you get ready to kill roaches or venomous snakes ya kill the young ones along with the mature ones. It's part of warfare. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, London blitz, 45,000 tons of bombs on German population centers like Dresden, fire bombing Kuri, Tokyo and other Japanese cities. Ona single night, nearly 600 US Army Air Corps planes dropped 1,665 tons of fire bombs on the Japanese capital, destroying 16 square miles of the city. The resulting firestorm killed 100,000 people. More than initially killed at either Nagasaki or Hiroshima. Almost all were children, disabled adults and elderly civilians. Altho hard to prove (or disprove) the 1st casualty of WW1 in 1915 was reportedly an English child killed by a small bomb dropped from a German zeppelin.
Such is war. To believe otherwise, for any reason at all, is to not understand war at all.
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They kill out of anger, jealousy, greed. In a word, evil. That they attribute their killing to religion is testament to the fact that they do not worship God.
Yes, in my opinion, it's not unlike the psychology of the NAZIs during WW2. Aside from those who have clear mental illness and are devoid of emotions, most people are born with somewhat of a moral compass. This compass can be "bypassed" if you will, when they are able to find encouragement and acceptance in horrible behavior. For the NAZIs, they were convinced on two fronts that what they were doing justified their actions: - They believed that some individuals were lesser than them - They (believed they) were fighting for a more advanced / perfect society
When a people can convince themselves that others are lesser, the types of atrocities they can commit basically know no bounds. They can focus all their hate, greed, jealousy, and passion (God forbid) on destroying the object of their ire. Their fundamentalist view encourages them to do these things, and they find acceptance for what they do in it. :/
I think we are about to witness the escalation to an all out World War. Biden_Joe avoids prosecution for treason, a convenient development in a nuke war he plans to lose.
Gaza, the West Bank and southern Lebanon overrun, Tehran destroyed, their nuke reactors destroyed. Starting in about four days.
See, ' Death to America ! Death to Israel ' is just the rhetoric of emotional protesters, protesting. EO 9066, 1942 I think hamas sympathizers in North America have valid reason for concern. Yeah.. umm.. or, maybe I'm completely wrong and the opposite happens, the Constitution falls under the armed assault of millions of illegal marxist combatants, infiltrated into the Heartland. A nefarious plot to make ' Fundamental Changes '.
"Sudan now one of the 'worst humanitarian nightmares in recent history'"
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United Nations Humanitarian and Emergency Relief Chief Martin Griffiths has said half-a-year of war has plunged Sudan into “one of the worst humanitarian nightmares in recent history."
As battles continue between the Sudanese Armed Forces (SAF) and Sudan’s Rapid Support Forces (RSF) paramilitary group, up to 9,000 people have been killed and over 5.6 million people have been displaced both within and outside national borders.
“For six months, civilians – particularly in Khartoum, Darfur and Kordofan – have known no respite from bloodshed and terror,” Griffiths said. “Horrific reports of rape and sexual violence continue to emerge, and clashes are increasingly taking place along ethnic lines, particularly in Darfur. . . .
Maybe the "rump" should drop in on Khartoum and chuck some rolls of paper towels across a room.
"Sudan now one of the 'worst humanitarian nightmares in recent history'" Maybe the "rump" should drop in on Khartoum and chuck some rolls of paper towels across a room.
Israel is going to have to attack Iran to preempt Iran’s Nuclear ability. You all know how we got here.
With Iran and Syria under attack, Russia will no longer be able to avoid a response. Americans are in Israel and you can be sure there are Russians in Iran and Syria. All directly involved and all in harm's way.
With the US, Israel, Iran, Syria, Russia and Ukraine all involved, what do you think Xe will do? Huh? Bueller? Bueller?
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As I previously stated, "Back to the thread's topic".
