My first thought as well but the others wouldn't still be alive if so. Maybe.
Who said they would all have to die at once. one body looks like it would feed the whole encampment and they have no way to preserve the meat dead so keep them alive. There is a reason the camp is not loaded with people.
Andrew said he got the watch from the cop with the riot gear. Eugine is in the train. Where's Beth? I'm sure Tyreese, Carol and Judith will be there in the next episode.
Awesome episode! I can not wait for the next season! Though that last line was a lot less climactic than I was thinking it was gonna be with that lead up lol.
Yeah I was expecting him to say something we didn't already know.
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This was something interesting I found that tied up loose ends:
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Rick and company encounter the Nursing Home survivors in "The Vatos" episode during Season One. Nursing Home employees and their "street smart" friends help keep elderly survivors alive in the middle of a Walker-infested urban Atlanta ghetto. Rick's group and The Vatos (as the Nursing Home survivors are referred to)... part as friends after they rescue a kidnapped Glenn.
Then they are not mentioned again on broadcast TV. Then with the Season One DVD set release... there is a bunch of deleted scenes. One deals with the fate of the Vatos.
After the destruction and the escape from the CDC... the group seeks a safe place to stay for the night.... and remember the Nursing Home survivors. Jacqi is not with them as she has died in the CDC explosion with Dr. Jenner.
Upon arrival the group discovers all of the residents- both elderly patients and their younger caregivers are all did.
Priceless, was Andrea making slams against Daryl... she thinks she knows what happened to the residents. Andrea thinks Daryl is uneducated and isn't "observant" of what is happening around them. Daryl snaps back at Andrea... pointing out the obvious. None of these residents were killed by Walkers. They had all been killed by other human beings.
Another scene I thought was good... was a terrified Sophia being comforted and quieted by Carl, as the children encounter a Walker near their hiding place.
The supplies at the Nursing Home have all been stolen. So the next day.... Rick & company leave Atlanta and continue on....
Then the broadcast episodes "pick up" as Rick's group is leaving Atlanta... and eventually run into the traffic jam that causes them to "stop" and to eventually lose Sophia. Which of course leads to the Greene family farm.
I don't think they ever explain who killed The Vatos. Keep in mind- this is inner city Atlanta... while The Governor was forming a community in Woodbury; a small town outside of Atlanta. It would make no sense for his group to go to inner city ghetto Atlanta to look for supplies.
Keep in mind there is evidence of other people being around- some good and some bad.
There is the episode of the backpacker who attempts to flag down Rick and Michonne. He dies without us knowing his background story.... same for the two men (father & son???) that Tyreese and Carol encounter on the railroad tracks. They are to late to save the men... but the older man tells Tyreese about the signs for Terminus. Perhaps where the two men were going as well.
Then when The Governor was with Martinez's group... they see an encampment of many survivors with resources. They do not attack. Later, The Governor & company go back to the site- to find the campers massacred and a few of them turned as Walkers. All of their supplies has been stolen. This had been done by human beings.
There was the episode where Randall is captured in "Nebraska." A couple of Randall's group are killed including a black man shot by Hershal... but who dies when Walkers eat his face. We see a couple of Randall's friends from a distance as they flee in a truck. Randall then mentions some of them by name but we don't see them.
Joe's "Claimers" killing the people at the camp? Unlikely, since Joe seemed to like staying near developed areas to raid houses (and potentially rape women- or other survivors they find).
So, there is evidence that there is a lot of other people around... and obviously possibly not very nice. Just ask Beth... and her mystery abductor.
A trick you can do to avoid spoilers is to look at the time of a posting. Dont read past the air time till you watch it.
I hate it when someone gives the race results of one I havent watched yet. I dont turn on a radio, or watch tv news or sports till I do. If someone lets anything slip, like who won, Im done....I wont watch it because theres no more fun in it. Ill just watch the talking heads after the race for the highlights. Columbo tv series was the ONLY thing that ever got away with starting with the end of an episode.
Well everyone else in my family loves this show, except me. I did not because of the gore. More because of the sounds, not the visual. However, I would lay in bed next to my wife while she watched it, and I must say the stories have caught my interest. I am now "dying" to find out more about Terminus. My theory is that of others. I think it is a commune of cannibals, and the picnic dinner they hand out isn't beef, it's humans.
Jim
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What’s Next for ‘Walking Dead’? Showrunner Scott Gimple On Season 5 and What Mary’s Grill Really Means Put a little meat on the grill and people go crazy with speculation about cannibals. ‘Walking Dead’ showrunner Scott Gimple tells us that it’s total fair play—but Mary, the grill, and Terminus weren’t in the comics.
The Walking Dead’s showrunner, Scott M. Gimple, knows about your crazy Terminus cannibal theories—and he’s a little confused.
To hear Gimple tell it, the mysterious residents of Terminus—who opened fire at Rick’s group in Sunday night’s Season 4 finale and locked them in a cargo container—might just be … misunderstood? They’re “maybe not the worst guys in the world,” he says. (After all, main hero Rick Grimes is now the guy who bites people’s throats out.)
But scrutinizing Walking Dead fans have picked up on signs of something darker going on at the “sanctuary for all.” The slabs of meat on Mary’s grill? The way she said “we’ll make you a plate” when welcoming Rick’s group to the prison? Many have pointed out that Terminus seems to echo a storyline involving cannibals from Robert Kirkman’s Walking Dead graphic novels, a theory Gimple calls “utter fair play”—but beware of taking Mary’s grill as evidence.
The Daily Beast caught up with Gimple to discuss Season 4’s intensely violent finale, what’s ahead for Season 5, and what Mary’s grill really means.
How much of Season 5 have the writers sketched out?
The whole story, more than generally. The beginning, middle, and end of the entire season, specifically a lot deeper into the first eight episodes, we’re well down the road with those. On the back half there’s a little less specificity, but we know a lot of the big moments and the emotional stories. A lot of the information starts with their character arcs, then goes into building the story that serves them.
Why did it feel important to you to have Rick shift into this mode where he can readily access his brutality?
In the prison, Rick stepped away from brutality; he stepped away from leadership, primarily to be there for his daughter and ensure that his son would not go down a dark path. He put away his gun and became a farmer. But after losing the prison, that wasn’t the reality anymore. The world came back for him.
It was really the threshold he needed to cross to have the tools to deal with that world, while still not forgetting the lessons that he learned and the progress that he made at the prison—one aspect of which is that at the end of this episode, Carl is concerned for himself and whether or not he’s a monster. That’s actually a pretty big victory in as much that Carl is even thinking about that; he wasn’t before Rick became a farmer. So, it worked, he did have that victory. It’s a sad victory, but a victory nonetheless.
The Walking Dead has always been dark, but this season pushed the boundaries even further, with Carol killing Lizzie and that man forcing himself onto Carl.
The darker turn that we’ve gone down really has to do with their circumstances and the story. We started out this season at maybe the least dark the show had been in a long time. There was a little bit of comedy, there was a little bit of romance. There was peace. Then the Governor came for them. Once they lost the prison, the world became a darker place for all of them. But they carried with them a lot of the positive stuff that they learned at the prison and it helped maintain who they are. Andy [Lincoln] said something very cool last night about Hershel, about how Hershel is still such a strong influence on all of these characters. Everything they went through enabled them to face the incredibly dark things outside the safety of the prison.
Where do you draw the line for what can happen in the show?
I mean, as long as it’s there for the story and not shock value. There is one additional step of not doing something purposefully gratuitous, you know, really thinking, “Did we earn this moment?” And within these moments, there’s both sensitivity to be applied and broadcast standards to be adhered to as well.
How do you guys plan to handle the trauma of what happened to Carl on Sunday? It seemed like the attack was about to become a rape.
Well, he was being held down. I don’t want to say one way or the other what was going on beyond that. That character Dan was just holding him down making sure he didn’t get away. He wasn’t laughing like it was nothing, which made it pretty horrific, but I will say the actor who played Dan is an unbelievably sweet, intelligent, sensitive guy. We couldn’t have chosen a better guy to play that role, ‘cause he played creepy really well.
“In the first episode at the prison, there’s a woman at the grill flipping meat. That was Carol. So in some ways, this place was supposed to echo the prison. I suppose if it was a different situation, people would have walked into the prison, seen Carol and gone, ‘Oh my God, these people are cannibals!’”
And Carl’s a pretty tough kid. If you notice, he was more worried about the dark thoughts he was having afterward, which were very much in line with the things that Rick did. In Carl’s head, he was all but cheering on his father. But he recognizes that that isn’t necessarily a good thing; that to even approve of what his father did is scary. As far as the trauma, he’s more traumatized by his own reaction to it, which I believe is a good thing ‘cause he’s checking himself and keeping his humanity.
Back to Terminus, we saw only a bunch of young people and one older woman, Mary. There was a room with tons of lit candles and writing on the wall. Is there anything about what we saw last night that you’re allowed to explain?
I’m technically allowed to tell you more than I even care to. As a viewer, I hate spoilers, I hate getting ahead of the story. I think it’s good to get people’s imaginations to think about it. And I think a lot of people are applying a lot of stuff from the comics to it.
Does that mean you’ve heard the cannibal theories by now?
Oh, yeah. It is utter fair play because if people are following the timeline of the comic, we’re right about there. But, you know, Mary and Gareth weren’t in the comics, Terminus wasn’t in the comics—it’s an invention that all of us came up with, including Robert [Kirkman] himself. It’s just a different thing. But, man, yeah, put a little meat on the grill and people go crazy. I will say—and maybe we were being too clever by half—but in the first episode at the prison, there’s a woman at the grill flipping meat. That was Carol. So in some ways, this place was supposed to echo the prison. I suppose if it was a different situation, people would have walked into the prison, seen Carol and gone, “Oh my God, these people are cannibals!” Though we did have Patrick mention that Daryl had caught a deer the day before. But there are a heck of a lot of deer in Georgia and they’re quick; walkers can’t catch them. In trying to echo the prison, I might not have accounted for people’s sensitivity to that stuff.
Is there any chance that this whole Terminus confrontation is just a big misunderstanding?
Well that’s a great point. Who knows what happened—well, we know but we’re not telling—with Glenn’s group. But with Rick’s group, look at it through the Terminus people’s lens. Like, what the hell? You kind of went pretty aggressive there. The Terminus people didn’t try to kill them, all the gunshots were aimed at their feet, except for one. So maybe they’re not the worst guys in the world; maybe they think that our guys are the worst in the world. And who knows? Rick does bite people’s throats out now, so there is that.
The second half of Season 4 focused on individual groups of characters in order to do more with their development. Is that something you’re taking forward into Season 5, now that almost the entire prison group is reunited?
That’s a great question. The show changes every eight episodes. The next eight episodes are going to be completely different from the previous eight. It’s not like we’re giving up on developing these characters, but it’s going to be in a very different format. You know, there isn’t even one half season where people go, “Oh yeah, that’s The Walking Dead.” It’s a show that plays around with its focus and its format and we’ll keep doing that. But the calibration and balance of character development to other stuff will always be different from season to season. But we will always have characters with full stories that play out over the entire season. We can’t wait for people to see it.
I think beth wasn't abducted, but was saved. Something about the way the person took care of the funeral home and the dead leads me to believe theyre at odds with Terminus's way of doing things.
I think beth wasn't abducted, but was saved. Something about the way the person took care of the funeral home and the dead leads me to believe theyre at odds with Terminus's way of doing things.
Or they thought Daryl was a biker and part of the gang he joined up with later.
I think beth wasn't abducted, but was saved. Something about the way the person took care of the funeral home and the dead leads me to believe theyre at odds with Terminus's way of doing things.
where have you been?
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I think beth wasn't abducted, but was saved. Something about the way the person took care of the funeral home and the dead leads me to believe theyre at odds with Terminus's way of doing things.
hmmm
they do have both sides of the coin, but who says Terminus really is evil? We see not too many people and one person grilling meat and we think cannibals but we don't know the whole story yet.
... My theory is that of others. I think it is a commune of cannibals, and the picnic dinner they hand out isn't beef, it's humans.
They alluded to that..
Near the end, when running through the compound, you see a glimpse of a pile of stripped human skeletons. The candle filled room is paying tribute to the consumed. You could also hear other shouting people locked in a trailer.
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I think beth wasn't abducted, but was saved. Something about the way the person took care of the funeral home and the dead leads me to believe theyre at odds with Terminus's way of doing things.
There was an episode of Talking Dead and Scott Gimble said there was a back story on the funeral home that was too epic to actually film.
That was kinda icky way to die over the blood trough.
The young guy all the way on the end who shares a long moment of eye contact with Rick, and then it hits you: that’s the kid he gave his watch to during season 4. It was the same episode where Rick banished Carol after finding out that she had killed some of the sick people inside the prison.
Carol is still making her way through Terminus. First, she discovers a room full of material items: weapons, teddy bears, jewelry, personal effects. That’s where she picks up Rick’s watch the one he gave the redheaded boyfriend
Watched Episode 1 of this season but stopped watching it when findtv.net starting asking for registration - just skeeved me out. Guess I'll be waiting 'till Netflix catches up.
Watched Episode 1 of this season but stopped watching it when findtv.net starting asking for registration - just skeeved me out. Guess I'll be waiting 'till Netflix catches up.
Oh man.
I don't have TV and such, so I torrent it. It seems to work out. I'm usually an episode or so behind.
My theory is that of others. I think it is a commune of cannibals, and the picnic dinner they hand out isn't beef, it's humans.
where have you been?
hmmm 
(I know we got a while, I'm just itching to get some more.) 
