quote Originally posted by fogglethorpe: Some gems from Alexis de Tocqueville: "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money” "There are two things which a democratic people will always find very difficult - to begin a war and to end it” "The health of a democratic society may be measured by the quality of functions performed by private citizens”

I never heard of this Alexis before but he made me cry.

The morality of a nation is best judged by the entertainment it chooses. -unknown-

There never was a good war or a bad peace.
- Benjamin Franklin

The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.
--Tacitus

"My Homer is not a communist. He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a communist, but he is not a p0rn star." - Grandpa Simpson or 84Bill (hard to tell them apart sometimes)

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I would encourage those who have enjoyed this thread to rate accordingly.

For nearly TWO YEARS this thread has existed there have been no character assasinations, dipariging remarks of any kind and has remained traquil until now.

I never said those words, that is not a quote and the below quoted is not in line with the spirit or intent of this thread.

Todd was not making "a joke" as he claims, instead he is trying to get even with me for the happenings in another thread.

Please do not repond to Todd in this thread. If you wish to express yourself feel free to do so by "rate me" or PM

Thanks

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quote Originally posted by 84Bill: I would encourage those so inclined to rate this immature individual accordingly. This thread has enjoyed almost two years of existance without anyone making character assasinations of any kind.... till now.

I would remind you Bill, that asking for ratings or asking others to rate people is a PFF violation. The difference between reading and comprehending rearing it's ugly head yet again.

Lighten-up. Learn to take a joke Bill.

"Why was I born with such contemporaries"? - Oscar Wilde

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"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." - Abraham Lincoln

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"There are only two types of people; those who want to be left alone and those who will not leave them alone." Ernest Hancock

"It's been a fabulous year for Laura and me."
- George Bush, December 11, 2001

"If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change your attitude. Don't complain. " - Maya Angelou

“Be the change you want to see in the world.”
- Mahatma Gandhi

As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.
--Pravin Lal (Fictional Charecter in Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri 1999)

"I've been thinking about this, Mr. Hand. If I'm here... and you're here... doesn't that make it our time?" --Jeff Spicoli (Sean Penn) 1982

If some men are entitled by right to the products of the work of others, it means that those others are deprived of rights and condemned to slave labor.

Any alleged "right" of one man, which necessitates the violation of the rights of another, is not and cannot be a right.

No man can have a right to impose an unchosen obligation, an unrewarded duty or an involuntary servitude on another man. There can be no such thing as "the right to enslave."

-- Ayn Rand, "Man's Rights," The Virtue of Selfishness

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson

"Freedom, the only thing binding you is the key" - Bill Stewart

"There are two kinds of patriotism -- monarchical patriotism and republican patriotism. In the one case, the government and the king may rightfully furnish you their notions of patriotism: in the other, neither government nor the entire nation is privileged to dictate to any individual what the form of his patriotism shall be. The Gospel of Monarchical Patriotism is: 'The King can do no wrong.' We have adopted it with all its servility, with an unimportant change in the wording: 'Our country, right or wrong!'

We have thrown away the most valuable asset we have -- the individual right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he by himself) believes them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it all away: and with it, all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism."
-- Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens)

Cautionary Quotes:

How fortunate for leaders that men do not think. ~ Adolf Hitler

The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one. ~ Adolf Hitler

Success is the sole earthly judge of right and wrong. ~ Adolf Hitler

The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force. ~ Adolf Hitler

The victor will never be asked if he told the truth. ~ Adolf Hitler

The great strength of the totalitarian state is that it forces those who fear it to imitate it. ~ Adolf Hitler

"Kumquat!"
Don-PFF-2005

"Giant Snails! Walk For Your Lives!!"
I forget who-PFF 2002

well its not a quote but a poem and im not the first to post one in this thread so
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E.E. Cummings

"There are only 10 types of people in the world.
Those that understand binary,
and those that don't."

-Think Geek T-shirt

O why should wrath be mute, & Fury dumbe?
I am no Baby I, that with base Prayers
I should repent the Evils I have done.
Ten thousand worse, then ever yet I did,
Would I performe if I might have my will:
If one good Deed in all my life I did,
I do repent it from my very Soule

Aron the More from William Shakespeare's "Titus Andronicus"

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"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil." -from John Galt's radio address in "Atlas Shrugged"

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iUsted no puede!

My favorite quote is, "Get busy living or get busy dying."

Quotes from when Clinton committed troops to Bosnia:

"You can support the troops but not the president."
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years."
--Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?"
--Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

"[The] President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."
--Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)

"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy."
--Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of George W Bush

"I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning . . I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area."
--Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)

"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our over-extended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today"
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
--Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

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quote Originally posted by SC Coupe: "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is." --Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

Uh, you DO realize that he was talking about Clinton's failed Bosnian strategy right? Because unlike his predecesor Bush actually DOES have an exit strategy? Although by listening to CBS, CNN, ABC, or NBC news I am not surprised you are unaware of it.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/iraq_strategy_nov2005.html


As for the quotes, try these on for size:

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." Ex-President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." Ex-President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons." Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force if necessary to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." Senator John Edwards (D-NC), October 10, 2002

"While the distance between the United States and Iraq is great, Saddam Hussein's ability to use his chemical and biological weapons against us is not constrained by geography - it can be accomplished in a number of different ways - which is what makes this threat so real and persuasive." Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), October 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"The essential facts are known. We know of the weapons in Saddam's possession: chemical, biological, and nuclear in time. We know of his unequaled willingness to use them. We know his history. His invasions of his neighbors. His dreams of achieving hegemonic control over the Arab world. His record of anti-American rage. His willingness to terrorize, to slaughter, to suppress his own people and others. We need not stretch to imagine nightmare scenarios in which Saddam makes common cause with the terrorists who want to kill us Americans and destroy our way of life." Senator Joseph Lieberman (D-CT), September 13, 2002

"Make no mistake: Saddam Hussein is a ruthless tyrant, and he must give up his weapons of mass destruction. We support the President in the course he has followed so far: working with Congress, working with the United Nations, insisting on strong and unfettered inspections. We must convince the world that Saddam Hussein is not America's problem alone; he is the world's problem. And we urge President Bush to stay this course for we are far stronger when we stand with other nations than when we stand alone." Governor Gary Locke (D-WA), January 28, 2003 Democratic Response to President Bush's "State of the Union" address

In short, "NUTS" - Gen. McCauliffe

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"Never argue with an idiot" - Mark Twain

"Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech."
--Benjamin Franklin

"Doesn't matter how secure the boarders, how many fences go up, how many laws are written, I will never feel safe. Only imprisoned." - Me

quote Originally posted by SC Coupe: "Never argue with an idiot" - Mark Twain

"No arguement" - Toddster

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: "Doesn't matter how secure the boarders, how many fences go up, how many laws are written, I will never feel safe. Only imprisoned." - Me

"Man inside a bottle can be corked."

Abstainer: a weak person who yields to the temptation of denying himself a pleasure. -- Ambrose Bierce

quote Originally posted by Butter: "Man inside a bottle can be corked."

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"All bad precedents begin with justifiable measures."
--Julius Caesar

"There is no such thing as a good war and there is no such thing as a bad peace." - Ben Franklin

There are three types of people in this world.
Those who can count,
and those who can't.
- Seen on a sign in Gainesville, Florida.

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My Hero.
'Cause he knows all the answers.

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"You have shown me a strange image, and they are strange prisoners. And they see only their own shadows, or the shadows of one another, much like ourselves." - Plato

"Have a cookie Neo. By the time you are done eating it you will be right as rain." - The Oracle

"Your life is the sum of the remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the Matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly which is systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations." - The Architect

There are 10 kinds of people.
Those who understand binary and those who don't.