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The narrative that the Capitol protest was a “deadly insurrection” is falling apart by 2.5
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Originally posted by Rickady88GT:
Trespassing is not a capital crime

That can only be a reference to Capitol Police Lt. Michael Byrd, and the late Ashli Babbitt. I don't see any other way to interpret it.

It's a canard.

We are not looking at someone in the person of Ashli Babbitt who was put on trial, judged guilty and given the sentence of death by execution. That would be capital punishment for a capital crime. This is about a Capitol crime.

Lt. Byrd's purpose in shooting Ashli Babbitt was to stop her from enlarging on the crimes that she had already committed. And what crimes were those? More than just "trespassing." She became part of a group that had forced their way inside of the Capitol Building when it was not open to the public. A group that had battered their way inside the Capitol Building by overcoming the Capitol Police in a series of violent assaults, using their fists and feet and a variety of improvised weapons and chemical irritants from spray cans. A group that had smashed through glass windows and forced open locked doorways to get inside the Capitol Building.

At the moment that Ashli Babbitt was fired upon by Lt. Byrd, she was trying to pass through an interior doorway that was being defended by the Capitol Police.

Is it reasonable to think, given the circumstances, that the Capitol Police were being nothing more than capricious, or overbearing towards the public, in trying to block members of the public--Ashli Babbitt in particular--from getting past that doorway? Really?

Again, I recommend this article . . .

"Evaluating the Police Shooting of Ashli Babbitt"
Geoffrey Alpert, Jeff Noble and Seth Stoughton for "Lawfare"; September 9, 2021.
https://www.lawfareblog.com...ooting-ashli-babbitt

This Read-o-Meters at a hefty 20 minutes for a careful read from end to end, but I don't think anyone needs to read the article all the way to the end to get the sense of it. See how it starts. Let your eyes scroll hurriedly through the text and see if you come to parts that you want to read more closely.
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Originally posted by rinselberg:

And what crimes were those? More than just "trespassing."

She became part of a group that had forced their way inside of the Capitol Building when it was not open to the public.

This is trespassing.

 
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A group that had battered their way inside the Capitol Building by overcoming the Capitol Police in a series of violent assaults, using their fists and feet and a variety of improvised weapons and chemical irritants from spray cans. A group that had smashed through glass windows and forced open locked doorways to get inside the Capitol Building.

Where is the evidence that Babbit committed any of the assaults or destruction that you described?
There is video evidence that the police moved barricades and allowed entry.

 
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At the moment that Ashli Babbitt was fired upon by Lt. Byrd, she was trying to pass through an interior doorway that was being defended by the Capitol Police.

This is trespassing.

 
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Is it reasonable to think, given the circumstances, that the Capitol Police were being nothing more than capricious, or overbearing towards the public, in trying to block members of the public--Ashli Babbitt in particular--from getting past that doorway?

Yes.

 
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Really?

Really.
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Byrd aimed and pulled the trigger. His intention was to kill Babbit. He is a murderer.
The police are not allowed to kill someone simply because they are part of a group that has trespassed.
I find it difficult to believe that you, or anyone, in good conscience deny any of that.
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Originally posted by williegoat:

Byrd aimed and pulled the trigger. His intention was to kill Babbit. He is a murderer.
The police are not allowed to kill someone simply because they are part of a group that has trespassed.
I find it difficult to believe that you, or anyone, in good conscience deny any of that.



Like a good many other things that he has been, and remains, WRONG about, he is obsessively wedded to the ignorant and fallacious idea that INCOMPETENT COWARD Michael Byrd was somehow justified in murdering Ashli Babbitt for the act of TRESSPASSING.

Moreover, INCOMPETENT COWARD Michael Byrd WAS NOT engaged in the act of openly guarding a doorway.

The video clearly shows that he was hiding in a cloakroom just beyond the doorway to the Speakers Lobby and murdered Ms. Babbitt WITHOUT WARNING from his hiding place.

The simple fact remains that of all the firearms carried by all of the hundreds of police that day ONLY ONE BULLET WAS FIRED and it came from the gun of an INCOMPETENT COWARD with A DOCUMENTED HISTORY OF MISHANDLING HIS WEAPON.

The CIVIL TRIAL of INCOMPETENT COWARD Michael Byrd for the WRONGFUL DEATH of Ashli Babbitt will proceed.

..........................................

Additionally, he keeps harping about a bullshit propaganda article from a gaggle of Leftists that somehow have the delusional idea that the LAW is somehow "warfare" and thus the incredibly moronic name "Lawfare".

You don't have to read very far into that pile of insipid Leftist crap before you hit THIS "NUGGET":

"We now know that there were eight separate breaches in the Capitol, and that some of those breaches involved insurrectionists armed with firearms,..."

If you have to resort to HYPERBOLE AND LIES to support your thesis, you don't have a valid argument and you're nothing more than A PROPAGANDIST


To add to this long festering boil of another one of his stupid positions we are confronted with yet ANOTHER article or book that HE DIDN'T READ but keeps hooting about as his "definitive" support for his ignorant postulations.

IF he had actually read, and understood, the article in it's entirety this part at the very end would have been inescapable...but he didn't:

"The limited public information that exists raises serious questions about the propriety of Byrd’s decision to shoot, especially with regard to the assessment that Babbitt was an imminent threat.

To belabor the obvious, though, we cannot definitively analyze a situation without the relevant facts, and there is a frustrating shortage of facts."



But, Leftists gotta Leftist....and in their world opinions win over facts.

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

That can only be a reference to Capitol Police Lt. Michael Byrd, and the late Ashli Babbitt. I don't see any other way to interpret it.

Yes I referenced the capital execution of a trespasser, by a Capital Officer.

 
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It's a canard.

We are not looking at someone in the person of Ashli Babbitt who was put on trial, judged guilty and given the sentence of death by execution. That would be capital punishment for a capital crime. This is about a Capitol crime.


If this shooting had happened in California with our current laws, this would have put Byrd on trial for manslaughter at minimum. She was unarmed and posed no threat of great bodily harm or death to anyone at the time of her execution. As far as I know, the entire time she was there she wasn't armed, vandalizing or threatening anyone.
This killing was a travesty and a miscarriage of justice. It will be remembered long after the trespassing is forgotten. All it will take is the lies of the left to be drowned out by the truth.
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Originally posted by williegoat:
Byrd aimed and pulled the trigger. His intention was to kill Babbit. He is a murderer.
The police are not allowed to kill someone simply because they are part of a group that has trespassed.
I find it difficult to believe that you, or anyone, in good conscience deny any of that.


Believe this:

 
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Importantly, the Graham court held that the reasonableness of force requires looking at the facts not as they actually were, but as they would have appeared to “a reasonable officer on the scene.” As courts have made clear, this standard allows for mistaken perceptions and conclusions so long as all such errors were reasonable. For example, if an individual is stabbing at officers with a shiny, rigid object that a reasonable officer would believe is a knife, then the courts will assess the reasonableness of the officer’s actions as if the object were a knife even if it later turns out to have been a harmless rubber toy.

In assessing what a reasonable officer would have been aware of, it’s important to keep in mind that use-of-force situations can be chaotic. As the Supreme Court described it, “[O]fficers are often forced to make split-second judgments [] in circumstances that are tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving.” This description isn’t always accurate—indeed, as one of us has written elsewhere, this description is “simply wrong almost all the time”—but it seems generally apt in this case.
"Evaluating the Police Shooting of Ashli Babbitt"
Geoffrey Alpert, Jeff Noble and Seth Stoughton for "Lawfare"; September 9, 2021.
https://www.lawfareblog.com...ooting-ashli-babbitt

I did not and do not need Alpert, Noble and Stoughton to tell me what to think about this, but I'd be hard put to improve upon their wording.

I had my thoughts about it first, and then I looked for an article that lined up with my thoughts.

Ergo, Alpert, Cogito, Sum.

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When this song was released, I was 12 years old and living in Orlando Florida. A few months later, I was living just outside the Beltway.
LBJ was keeping Ol' Joe's chair warm for him and the world was a very different place, but in some ways very much the same as it is now.

What a field day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and they carrying signs
Mostly say, "Hooray for our side"


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Originally posted by rinselberg:


Believe this:

Importantly, the Graham court held that the reasonableness of force requires looking at the facts not as they actually were, but as they would have appeared to “a reasonable officer on the scene.” As courts have made clear, this standard allows for mistaken perceptions and conclusions so long as all such errors were reasonable. For example, if an individual is stabbing at officers with a shiny, rigid object that a reasonable officer would believe is a knife, then the courts will assess the reasonableness of the officer’s actions as if the object were a knife even if it later turns out to have been a harmless rubber toy.

In assessing what a reasonable officer would have been aware of, it’s important to keep in mind that use-of-force situations can be chaotic. As the Supreme Court described it, “[O]fficers are often forced to make split-second judgments [] in circumstances that are tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving.” This description isn’t always accurate—indeed, as one of us has written elsewhere, this description is “simply wrong almost all the time”—but it seems generally apt in this case.


If for no other reason (and there are other reasons), Byrd's defense falls apart based on the words that I underlined.

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The D.C. Department of Corrections staff were “antagonizing detainees” and “directing detainees to not cooperate with” U.S. Marshals during the inspection, the agency said, and “one DOC staffer was observed telling a detainee to ‘stop snitching.’”


Just as a reminder, Leftist members of Congress actually helped fund the bail money and defense costs for ANTIFA / BLM rioters during the summer of 2020

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

That can only be a reference to Capitol Police Lt. Michael Byrd, and the late Ashli Babbitt. I don't see any other way to interpret it.

Yes I referenced the capital execution of a trespasser, by a Capital Officer.

 
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It's a canard.

We are not looking at someone in the person of Ashli Babbitt who was put on trial, judged guilty and given the sentence of death by execution. That would be capital punishment for a capital crime. This is about a Capitol crime.


If this shooting had happened in California with our current laws, this would have put Byrd on trial for manslaughter at minimum. She was unarmed and posed no threat of great bodily harm or death to anyone at the time of her execution. As far as I know, the entire time she was there she wasn't armed, vandalizing or threatening anyone.
This killing was a travesty and a miscarriage of justice. It will be remembered long after the trespassing is forgotten. All it will take is the lies of the left to be drowned out by the truth.
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No charges will ever be filed against Lt Byrd.
He had the perfect defense.

In his first interview since the shooting took place, Byrd said that he feared for his life as hoards of rioters stormed the Capitol and breached the area where members of the House of Representatives were located.

“I was very afraid,” Byrd said. “I'm hearing about the breaches of different barricaded areas, officers being overrun, officers being down.”.
And that, is all he had to say.

 
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The focus of the criminal investigation was to determine whether federal prosecutors could prove that the officer violated any federal laws, concentrating on the possible application of 18 U.S.C. § 242, a federal criminal civil rights statute. In order to establish a violation of this statute, prosecutors must prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the officer acted willfully to deprive Ms. Babbitt of a right protected by the Constitution or other law, here the Fourth Amendment right not to be subjected to an unreasonable seizure. Prosecutors would have to prove not only that the officer used force that was constitutionally unreasonable, but that the officer did so “willfully,” which the Supreme Court has interpreted to mean that the officer acted with a bad purpose to disregard the law. As this requirement has been interpreted by the courts, evidence that an officer acted out of fear, mistake, panic, misperception, negligence, or even poor judgment cannot establish the high level of intent required under Section 242.



We've had this 'ah feared for mah life' conversation before so no need rehashing it, but there it is, again..

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Byrd's defense in that interview would have been more credible if he had said that he feared for his life because of hordes of rioters . . .

Sieg Spelling!

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Originally posted by maryjane:

No charges will ever be filed against Lt Byrd.
He had the perfect defense.

In his first interview since the shooting took place, Byrd said that he feared for his life as hoards of rioters stormed the Capitol and breached the area where members of the House of Representatives were located.

“I was very afraid,” Byrd said. “I'm hearing about the breaches of different barricaded areas, officers being overrun, officers being down.”.
And that, is all he had to say.
We've had this 'ah feared for mah life' conversation before so no need rehashing it, but there it is, again..



California changed the parameters of this defense. It is not a perfect defense. The law now requires more than just fear, and for a matter of fact, has been so for many years. If this Capital shooting had happened in California, he would be in custody awaiting trial.
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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Byrd's defense in that interview would have been more credible if he had said that he feared for his life because of hordes of rioters . . .

Sieg Spelling!


If I had heard him holler that he was harassed and harangued by herds of homely whores, I might have had some heartfelt sympathy. However I hardly have any hope of that.
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How many does it take to make a horde any way?
Genghis Khan had one, multiple hordes actually.
The Red Chinese had hordes in the Korean War.
Mosquitos come in hordes.
Hordes of NVA over ran a SF camp Nam Dong near Laos in '64.
Isis hordes took over Mosul Iraq in 2014.
Hordes of sharks have shown up off of Aussie beaches..

Is it anything like cows?

https://youtu.be/429Md_3RNQI?t=62

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Originally posted by maryjane:

Is it anything like cows?

https://youtu.be/429Md_3RNQI?t=62


...and cows and cows?
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As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH INSURRECTION ( 18 U.S. Code § 2383) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH SEDITION ( 18 U.S. Code § 2384) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH ADVOCATING OVERTHROW OF GOVERNMENT (18 U.S. Code § 2385) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH THREATENING GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS OF THE UNITED STATES (under 18 U.S.C. § 871 or 18 U.S. Code § 351 or 18 U.S. Code § 115 or any local statute) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH TERRORISM (18 U.S. Code CHAPTER 113B § 2331) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH RIOT (18 U.S. Code § 2101) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today only 570 individuals], (<1.9 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with a crime.

As of today only 35 individuals, (<0.10 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with "conspiracy".

As of today only 35 individuals, (6.1 %) out of the 570 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have been charged with "conspiracy".

As of today only 4 individuals, (0.7 %) out of the 570 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have pled guilty to "conspiracy".

As of today only 23 individuals, (4.0 %) out of the 570 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have pled guilty to any charges.

As of today only 23 individuals, (<0.07 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have pled guilty to any charges

As of today only 17 individuals, (<0.05 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC alleged to be members of the "Oath Keepers" group have been charged with a crime.

As of today only 12 individuals, (<0.04 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC alleged to be members of the "Proud Boys" group have been charged with a crime.


As of today only 1 needless homicide happened at the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC and it was committed by a Demorat with a documented history of mishandling his firearm.

As of today 1 unopened LEGO toy has been seized by the Biden administration as "evidence of a conspiracy" related to the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC

As of today the FBI has officially determined that THERE WAS NO INSURRECTION and that THERE WAS NO LARGE ORGANIZED CONSPIRACY BY ANY "RIGHT WING" GROUPS and that NEITHER FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP NOR ANY OF HIS ASSOCIATES OR ADVISORS WERE INVOLVED IN ANY PLANNING OF A RIOT OR VIOLENCE arising from the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of the January 6, 2021 rally in DC.

As of today the Leftist Congress is trying to soak the American taxpayers for HALF A BILLION DOLLARS in "damages" after telling the DOJ and the federal courts that the capitol building sustained $1.5 million in damages.

As of today 6 Capitol police officers are facing disciplinary action for their actions related to the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC

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"Subpoenas for your testimony, MAGA World boys and girls. Or should I just say 'girl' ? From the House Congressional Committee investigating January 6."


"Deadly" or just "injurious", the narrative that the Capitol protest was an "insurrection" has not fallen apart in all quarters. Not yet. There is still a ways ahead for it to keep being news in the news or news-like media venues that most here (it would seem) remain blissfully unaware of. Where this is Breaking News.

"You're welcome."

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WERE ANY PEOPLE WHO BROKE GLASS TO ENTER THE CAPITOL ON JANUARY 6 WORKING FOR THE FBI?


A NON-ANSWER BY THE UNITED STATES ATTORNEY GENERAL SPEAKS SCREAMS LOUDER THAN A SIMPLE "NO"







#GOVERNMENT AGENTS PROVOCATUER

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As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH INSURRECTION ( 18 U.S. Code § 2383) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH SEDITION ( 18 U.S. Code § 2384) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH ADVOCATING OVERTHROW OF GOVERNMENT (18 U.S. Code § 2385) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH THREATENING GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS OF THE UNITED STATES (under 18 U.S.C. § 871 or 18 U.S. Code § 351 or 18 U.S. Code § 115 or any local statute) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH TERRORISM (18 U.S. Code CHAPTER 113B § 2331) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH RIOT (18 U.S. Code § 2101) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today only 625 individuals], (2.0 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with a crime.

As of today only 35 individuals, (<0.10 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with "conspiracy".

As of today only 35 individuals, (5.6 %) out of the 625 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have been charged with "conspiracy".

As of today only 4 individuals, (0.6 %) out of the 625 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have pled guilty to "conspiracy".

As of today only 25 individuals, (4.0 %) out of the 625 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have pled guilty to any charges.

As of today only 25 individuals, (<0.08 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have pled guilty to any charges

As of today only 17 individuals, (<0.05 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC alleged to be members of the "Oath Keepers" group have been charged with a crime.

As of today only 12 individuals, (<0.04 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC alleged to be members of the "Proud Boys" group have been charged with a crime.


As of today only 1 needless homicide happened at the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC and it was committed by a Demorat with a documented history of mishandling his firearm.

As of today 1 unopened LEGO toy has been seized by the Biden administration as "evidence of a conspiracy" related to the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC

As of today the FBI has officially determined that THERE WAS NO INSURRECTION and that THERE WAS NO LARGE ORGANIZED CONSPIRACY BY ANY "RIGHT WING" GROUPS and that NEITHER FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP NOR ANY OF HIS ASSOCIATES OR ADVISORS WERE INVOLVED IN ANY PLANNING OF A RIOT OR VIOLENCE arising from the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of the January 6, 2021 rally in DC.

As of today the Leftist Congress is trying to soak the American taxpayers for HALF A BILLION DOLLARS in "damages" after telling the DOJ and the federal courts that the capitol building sustained $1.5 million in damages.

As of today 6 Capitol police officers are facing disciplinary action for their actions related to the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC

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An Indiana man charged with carrying a loaded firearm to the Capitol on Jan. 6 told investigators that if he had found Speaker Nancy Pelosi, “you’d be here for another reason,” according to court documents posted over the weekend.

Mark Mazza, 56, is the latest of about half a dozen Jan. 6 defendants charged with bringing a gun to the Capitol. In this case, Mazza allegedly carried a Taurus revolver known as “The Judge,” which is capable of firing shotgun shells — two of which were in the chamber, along with three hollow-point bullets. A Capitol Police sergeant obtained the weapon after allegedly fending off an assault from Mazza.

According to the charging documents in the case, two Capitol Police investigators visited Mazza at his home in Shelbyville, Ind., on March 29, and he admitted attending the Jan. 6 “Stop the Steal” rally and later marched with the crowd to the Capitol. Camera footage shows Mazza present during the most intense hand-to-hand violence of the day in the Capitol’s lower West terrace tunnel. . . .

Though reports of rioters charged with carrying firearms have been limited, the number has been steadily climbing. A former DEA agent brandished his service weapon outside the Capitol. A Texas man was charged with bringing a handgun as well. Leaders of the Oath Keepers charged with conspiring to prevent Congress from certifying the 2020 election aren’t facing firearms charges, but prosecutors have pieced together evidence suggesting they kept a stockpile of weapons at a hotel in nearby Arlington, Va.

The mounting evidence has undercut claims by former President Donald Trump and his allies that the mob attacking the Capitol was unarmed. In addition to the growing number of firearms authorities suspect were carried onto Capitol grounds, rioters brought knives, axes, batons, tasers, bats, poles and even a crutch and hockey stick. Others stole police shields and used metal barricades and furniture as makeshift weapons. . . .

Mazza is facing charges of obstructing Congress and the FBI investigation of the Jan. 6 attack, as well as carrying a firearm on Capitol grounds and obstructing police, as well as a D.C. code violation for bringing an unlicensed firearm into the city. . . .

That's a slimmed down version of this:


Here's the link to the complete online report:
https://www.politico.com/ne...-capitol-riot-523178

Here's the weapon that was confiscated from this defendant at the Capitol Building--confiscated by a Capitol Police officer, after the defendant got into a physical altercation with that officer:

"Taurus Judge: A Revolver That Can Fire Shotgun Shells And .45 Colt"
https://www.19fortyfive.com...-shells-and-45-colt/

I didn't get that from this report in Politico. I got it from another source, who opined that this Taurus "Judge" revolver defeats the purpose of the National Firearms Act's prohibition of "sawed-off shotguns." But that's just a sidebar in this context, and not something I'm jumping completely onboard with.




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Taurus Judge
I've looked at these before. The Shotgun shell is a good idea as it has limited penetration and would not go through a wall and hurt the kids next door.
I wouldn't want to be shot with one but between the .410 bore shot shells and the .45 Colt cartridge at 20 feet I would rather get shot at with the shotgun shell.

 
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The .410 bore is one of the smallest caliber of shotgun shell commonly available A .410 bore shotgun loaded with shot shells is well suited for small game

But it can also fire a slug that is capable of taking down larger game.
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Here's the weapon that was confiscated from this defendant at the Capitol Building--confiscated by a Capitol Police officer







Has it ever ONCE occurred to you that the stupid things that you think and believe are due to the stupid sources and people that you get your stupid opinions, propaganda and ideas from?

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BIDEN JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL TESTIFIES TO CONGRESS:

"NO GUNS AT CAPITOL ON JAN 6"



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Originally posted by rinselberg:

That's a slimmed down version of this:


Here's the link to the complete online report:
https://www.politico.com/ne...-capitol-riot-523178

Here's the weapon that was confiscated from this defendant at the Capitol Building--confiscated by a Capitol Police officer, after the defendant got into a physical altercation with that officer:

"Taurus Judge: A Revolver That Can Fire Shotgun Shells And .45 Colt"
https://www.19fortyfive.com...-shells-and-45-colt/

I didn't get that from this report in Politico. I got it from another source, who opined that this Taurus "Judge" revolver defeats the purpose of the National Firearms Act's prohibition of "sawed-off shotguns." But that's just a sidebar in this context, and not something I'm jumping completely onboard with.




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I have always wanted a Judge. I think it is a near ideal home defense gun. The 410 is practically worthless and out of range outside of the average household hallway. But for an anti-carjacking gun it is perfect. The judge has rifling in the barrel like a typical hand gun so shot pellet cluster spin at such a high RPM that they scatter in a VERY short distance and are rendered harmless in short distances. The Judge IS NOT a shotgun, a shotgun has a smooth boar barrel so it does not spin the shot pellets. The smooth boar keeps a tight pellet pattern, the EXACT opposite of the Judge. The Judge has a riffing for the .45 slug. The spinning stabilizes the slug for accuracy. The 410 shot shells barley kill snakes on hiking trails, infact that is what they are for, they are referred to as snake guns. 410 shotgun shells are dangerous BUT they are not man killers. The 410 shot shells have a VERY low level of "respect" in the gun world because they have such low power and range even in a proper shotgun. The reason I say the Judge is an ideal home defense gun is because of its low power and EXTREMELY short range. The shot shells cannot shoot through walls and harm your family who may be on the other side. The VAST MAJORITY of self defense shootings happen at very short range and that fits the Judge fine.

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As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH INSURRECTION ( 18 U.S. Code § 2383) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH SEDITION ( 18 U.S. Code § 2384) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH ADVOCATING OVERTHROW OF GOVERNMENT (18 U.S. Code § 2385) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH THREATENING GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS OF THE UNITED STATES (under 18 U.S.C. § 871 or 18 U.S. Code § 351 or 18 U.S. Code § 115 or any local statute) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH TERRORISM (18 U.S. Code CHAPTER 113B § 2331) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH RIOT (18 U.S. Code § 2101) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today only 625 individuals], (2.0 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with a crime.

As of today only 35 individuals, (<0.10 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with "conspiracy".

As of today only 35 individuals, (5.6 %) out of the 625 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have been charged with "conspiracy".

As of today only 4 individuals, (0.6 %) out of the 625 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have pled guilty to "conspiracy".

As of today only 25 individuals, (4.0 %) out of the 625 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have pled guilty to any charges.

As of today only 25 individuals, (<0.08 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have pled guilty to any charges

As of today only 17 individuals, (<0.05 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC alleged to be members of the "Oath Keepers" group have been charged with a crime.

As of today only 12 individuals, (<0.04 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC alleged to be members of the "Proud Boys" group have been charged with a crime.


As of today only 1 needless homicide happened at the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC and it was committed by a Demorat with a documented history of mishandling his firearm.

As of today 1 unopened LEGO toy has been seized by the Biden administration as "evidence of a conspiracy" related to the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC

As of today the FBI has officially determined that THERE WAS NO INSURRECTION and that THERE WAS NO LARGE ORGANIZED CONSPIRACY BY ANY "RIGHT WING" GROUPS and that NEITHER FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP NOR ANY OF HIS ASSOCIATES OR ADVISORS WERE INVOLVED IN ANY PLANNING OF A RIOT OR VIOLENCE arising from the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of the January 6, 2021 rally in DC.

As of today the Leftist Congress is trying to soak the American taxpayers for HALF A BILLION DOLLARS in "damages" after telling the DOJ and the federal courts that the capitol building sustained $1.5 million in damages.

As of today 6 Capitol police officers are facing disciplinary action for their actions related to the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC

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