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The narrative that the Capitol protest was a “deadly insurrection” is falling apart by 2.5
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Randy- You seem to be a little upset.......But you know (As everyone here does) that you are BRAIN-Washed by Putin's organized efforts to destroy America. You and your Antifa-fool friends are both on the same team, workin' for Putin.

Also, I have to ask, why is it OK for YOU to do all the name-calling and yet you get in a little snit if someone misspells your "name"...? I think you are a typical internet bully-boy who hides behind his keyboard.

By the way, now they are investigating strange illnesses that US personal are suffering around the world and even in the US....But you know it must be the evil chinese commies....YOU have all the answers; evil leftists do all the wrong and good "Trumpers" (And the russians) are all little angels......
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Originally posted by randye:It's a bullshit story he fabricated.

We are supposed to believe that his imaginary "friend" developed morbid obesity, terminal type 2 diabetes, became a racist, started hoarding guns in a "secret closet" and became a Russophile that hates American all from watching a cable news channel (Fox).

The only thing he forgot to add to his fable was his "Russian soap"........whatever the hell that is.


It's a total BS story. Notice how he calls you a name in his last reply? Notice how he fat shames the fictional character in his story? Notice how he demonizes gun owners?

Besides Hannity brings a tranny on his show to soften Republicans to supporting it?
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It's a total BS story. Notice how he calls you a name in his last reply? Notice how he fat shames the fictional character in his story? Notice how he demonizes gun owners?





It sure didn't take much to expose him for the LEFTIST that he is despite the BS.

Like I said before. Leftists just don't understand conservative ideology and they have no idea how stupid they look when they try to ape being a conservative.

An analogy might be listening to an Irishman with a very thick Irish brogue trying to convince you that he was born, raised and has lived all his life in south Alabama.

He doesn't hear his own accent and he doesn't know that you can.

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Randy- You spit on true conservative values every time you come on here- You are taking your ideology straight from the Nazi and other fascist dictator playbook...."Must stop anyone from saying anything against our >>PERFECT<< master Lord Trump- He is the only one who matters- he IS America!"

Just like you and your pals in Congress trying to shut Liz Cheney up- Eliminate any dissension at all.....Only >>Positive feedback<< (At least Ms. Cheney has the courage and guts to stand up to you fascists)

But a system run on Positive feedback spins out of control- which is where the Trump "Conservatives" are at now.

ReNember now, anyone who doesn't march in LOCK-STEP with Lord Trump is a leftist!

Trump = Robespierre
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Originally posted by cvxjet:

... evil leftists do all the wrong and good "Trumpers" (And the russians) are all little angels......



I mean...


Democrats:
- Created / funded / founded the KKK
- Eugenics (Margaret Sanger)
- Placed 100s of abortion Clinics in predominantly black neighborhoods
- Trail of Tears
- Agent Orange
- Japanese Internment Camps
- Not just one, but two nuclear bombs ever used in war or against a populace (300k killed instantly)
- Jim Crowe Laws (and Jim Crowe, he was a Democrat)
- Most number of anti-gay legislation ever passed in the history of this country was during the inauguration of Barack Obama in 2008
- Tax hikes for the middle class
- NAZI support during the war (pretty much all of Hollywood)


Republicans:
- Emancipation Proclamation
- Created the first National Park and the National Park Service
- Created the Division of Forestry
- Created the EPA
- Passed De-segregation laws
- Proposed, legislated, and passed the 1964 Civil Rights Act (Kennedy was a Democrat who passed it, against his own party)
- Conservative Supreme Court allowed gay marriage
- Tax breaks for the middle class
- Dr. Martin Luther King

I mean, just scratching the surface here... I could go on. There's always some fool who says... "Nuh uh!!! They switch sides..."

So I remind them that from the 30s through 1945s, FDR was the quintessential Progressive / Socialist. So I ask the person, are you telling me that Democrats were Democrats in the mid 40s, but then became Republicans in the late 1940s, because I guess Truman was really a Republican during all the racist times, and then super quick a few years later, the Democrats immediately became Democrats again? So, having switched back and forth (to carefully navigate all the bad stuff over the span of 15 years)? I guess the fact that Al Gore's father voted against the Civil Rights Act, or that Prescott Bush voted FOR the Civil Rights act, or that the Democrats literally had a Democrat Senator who was the former Grand Master of the KKK just literally a few years ago is just coincidence?


Cvxjet... yes, you are right. Democrats literally have done almost every bad thing in our country... it's absolutely amazing to me that so many people are oblivious to history. I mean, damn... even Jim Jones was a Democrat.

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Ugg. Lots of things I cant stomach on both sides. No thanks to both parties.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

I mean...

Democrats:
- Created / funded / founded the KKK
- Eugenics (Margaret Sanger)
- Placed 100s of abortion Clinics in predominantly black neighborhoods
- Trail of Tears
- Agent Orange
- Japanese Internment Camps
- Not just one, but two nuclear bombs ever used in war or against a populace (300k killed instantly)
- Jim Crowe Laws (and Jim Crowe, he was a Democrat)
- Most number of anti-gay legislation ever passed in the history of this country was during the inauguration of Barack Obama in 2008
- Tax hikes for the middle class
- NAZI support during the war (pretty much all of Hollywood)


Republicans:
- Emancipation Proclamation
- Created the first National Park and the National Park Service
- Created the Division of Forestry
- Created the EPA
- Passed De-segregation laws
- Proposed, legislated, and passed the 1964 Civil Rights Act (Kennedy was a Democrat who passed it, against his own party)
- Conservative Supreme Court allowed gay marriage
- Tax breaks for the middle class
- Dr. Martin Luther King

I mean, just scratching the surface here... I could go on. There's always some fool who says... "Nuh uh!!! They switch sides..."

So I remind them that from the 30s through 1945s, FDR was the quintessential Progressive / Socialist. So I ask the person, are you telling me that Democrats were Democrats in the mid 40s, but then became Republicans in the late 1940s, because I guess Truman was really a Republican during all the racist times, and then super quick a few years later, the Democrats immediately became Democrats again? So, having switched back and forth (to carefully navigate all the bad stuff over the span of 15 years)? I guess the fact that Al Gore's father voted against the Civil Rights Act, or that Prescott Bush voted FOR the Civil Rights act, or that the Democrats literally had a Democrat Senator who was the former Grand Master of the KKK just literally a few years ago is just coincidence?


Cvxjet... yes, you are right. Democrats literally have done almost every bad thing in our country... it's absolutely amazing to me that so many people are oblivious to history. I mean, damn... even Jim Jones was a Democrat.

There's only one small imperfection in "82's" thinking here.

No one has a way to reverse the direction of Time or that replaces the present year (month, day, moment) with any previous year (month, . . .)

I don't see any significance in that, whatsoever.

What happens when someone decides that they are going to run for office? I don't think it's at all unusual for someone to run for office with a party affiliation of convenience. Their first question being, are my odds in this race shaping up better for me if I declare myself as a Democratic candidate, or a Republican candidate?

That's just the tip of the iceberg, in terms of critiquing what "82" just posted.

Where is "Democrat University" that indoctrinates a budding young member of the Democratic Party of today with the unbroken lineage of Democrats from as far back as the first Democrats of the 19th century, and forwards through the Civil War, the Jim Crow era and then the 1960s and more recent times? Or the "Republican University"..?

That is just nonsense.
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No one has a way to reverse the direction of Time or that replaces the present year (month, day, moment) with any previous year (month, . . .)

I don't see any significance in that, whatsoever.



Of course you don't see any significance.

For LEFTISTS, history begins each morning.

You spend an incredible amount of time trying to hide, ignore, or deny your real ideological history, and openly trying to assign to others what you can't hide, ignore or deny.

So, of course you "don't see any significance". You wouldn't admit it even if you did.

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Talk about "cvxjet 'aping' a conservative"..? The "cvxjet" trying to present himself as a conservative and failing miserably at it? Wasn't that something that just came out on this thread from forum member randye?

The randye can't even "ape" a sentient human being with his voice on this forum.

I can't imagine the day when the United States becomes as completely "effed up" as randye would like it to be--judging by the unbroken string of nonsense that randye has put up as his messages on this forum for the last umpteen years.

I'd like to "garnish" this with an image, but right now--not an opportune moment.
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The randye can't even "ape" a sentient human being with his voice on this forum.



I have tried subtlety, and not so subtlety, warning you multiple times.

You're unable to restrain yourself from personal character attacks that have NOTHING to do with the discussion.

You obviously think that somehow Cliff Pennock's rules don't apply to YOU.

Now we are going to let him decide.


 
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I'm not usually so blunt, but I guess this is kind of me filling in for the recently banned 'dawg. (Boondawg)



You obviously have forgotten how that worked out for him.

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Ugg. Lots of things I cant stomach on both sides. No thanks to both parties.


Sourmash, you are actually saying basically what I believe; It isn't the left or right, the liberals or conservatives or anything else that is "perfect" or "perfectly WRONG"....It is the organizations of power that LEADS to bad things.

Power corrupts...absolute power corrupts absolutely. Big business is not evil, nor government...they can both be good, but the more power, the more chance for that power to be exploited for bad or evil purposes. Limits need to be applied to both...or....ALL forms of power. And I believe 100% in term limits for EVERYONE in government.

As for Randy......You constantly berate anyone who says ANYTHING against your extreme beliefs...."Leftist" is what you call them.......You could call me a lot of things (And sometimes I would probably deserve a lot of bad titles) but Leftist is one that would get you in a lot of trouble if you weren't hiding behind your keyboard.....but you want everyone to only agree with you and your hero, lord Trump...That is very much like another thing you (Obviously) really like; Nazism

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Where is "Democrat University" that indoctrinates a budding young member of the Democratic Party of today with the unbroken lineage of Democrats from as far back as the first Democrats of the 19th century, and forwards through the Civil War, the Jim Crow era and then the 1960s and more recent times? Or the "Republican University"..?


Take your pick... K-12? A lot of teachers are just there to teach. The big difference between normal people and a radical leftist though, is that they use every opportunity to indoctrinate, and that's where we have a problem. It no longer becomes a difference of opinion, it's a brain washing.


 
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That is just nonsense.


I know it's not fun, but nothing I said above was factually incorrect. I don't really understand your insinuation that everyone who did bad things as a Democrat was just doing it because it was convenient. That is how most Democrats felt at the time. The ONLY lineage I have in this country (since my dad is from the Netherlands and my mom was born in Argentina), is through my mom's father, who moved to Argentina in the 1960s for work (and then married an Argentine woman). His family goes back to the revolutionary war, and from the beginning of time, they were Whig supporters (as land owners) and then became Republicans. My great, great, great grandfather (and his father) fought for the Missouri 23rd Volunteer Regiment for the Union Army. They were all Republicans, and my family has always been Republican. My grandmother, grandfather, and my mom, and uncle, and aunt, all fled Argentina against the Socialist Peronist Regime... a type of Government that was really popular among Democrats. They all became Republicans. My great grandfather who fought in WW1, he was Republican. My grandfather who fought in WW2, he was Republican. My uncle who fought in Vietnam, he was Republican too.

There was never a "change over..." never has been, never was.

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Of course you don't see any significance.

For LEFTISTS, history begins each morning.

You spend an incredible amount of time trying to hide, ignore, or deny your real ideological history, and openly trying to assign to others what you can't hide, ignore or deny.

So, of course you "don't see any significance". You wouldn't admit it even if you did.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like this isn't some "personal character attack" that has nothing to do with the actual discussion of the topic--such as it was.

Just more mindless name calling here from someone who's basically a random text string generator. Random, with the one constraint that there has to be the word "Leftist" or some variation of it.

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Randy- You spit on true conservative values every time you come on here- You are taking your ideology straight from the Nazi and other fascist dictator playbook....



So which is it?

First you say that I'm somehow a "Russia / Putin" sympathizer and then I'm a "Trump lover"........NOW you're calling me a NAZI and a fascist.

Could you maybe land on just ONE or do all the different ideologies just kind of muddle together for you as some sort of weird pejorative?

Gaging from your posting history on this forum, I don't think it's a stretch to say that even a rudimentary understanding of political science just isn't "in your wheelhouse".

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

Take your pick... K-12? A lot of teachers are just there to teach. The big difference between normal people and a radical leftist though, is that they use every opportunity to indoctrinate, and that's where we have a problem. It no longer becomes a difference of opinion, it's a brain washing.

I know it's not fun, but nothing I said above was factually incorrect. I don't really understand your insinuation that everyone who did bad things as a Democrat was just doing it because it was convenient. That is how most Democrats felt at the time. The ONLY lineage I have in this country (since my dad is from the Netherlands and my mom was born in Argentina), is through my mom's father, who moved to Argentina in the 1960s for work (and then married an Argentine woman). His family goes back to the revolutionary war, and from the beginning of time, they were Whig supporters (as land owners) and then became Republicans. My great, great, great grandfather (and his father) fought for the Missouri 23rd Volunteer Regiment for the Union Army. They were all Republicans, and my family has always been Republican. My grandmother, grandfather, and my mom, and uncle, and aunt, all fled Argentina against the Socialist Peronist Regime... a type of Government that was really popular among Democrats. They all became Republicans. My great grandfather who fought in WW1, he was Republican. My grandfather who fought in WW2, he was Republican. My uncle who fought in Vietnam, he was Republican too.

There was never a "change over..." never has been, never was.

It's not so much what you say in that checklist of Democrats vs Republicans, historically. It's what you don't say.

Eugenics, for example. I've seen documentaries on how that took hold and gained a following in the United States. Democrats--yes. Republicans--yes. The Eugenics movement attracted many Republicans. Well to do and wealthy Republicans. They were called out in the TV documentary that I saw, sitting side by side with Democrats at a large Eugenics movement gathering and banquet.

What about the years that passed after World War One and the years that most directly led up to the outbreak of World War Two? Were the Republicans any better, on the whole, than the Democrats during that period--looking back at it in the rearview mirror of history? I think that would be a hard case to make.

I look at your "checklist" and I see an oversimplified view of history. A "2-D" version of history.

I don't find it at all convincing towards the premise of why someone of today would do better for themselves or for their community (their state; the United States) to "be" or to "go" Republican than Democrat. I'm sure that other ways of supporting that premise are available, but your "checklist"..? Doesn't work for me.

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I know it's not fun, but nothing I said above was factually incorrect.




You are 100% spot on correct and the Left will go to any length to try to cover up who and what they really were and are:



"The DNC Web site section labeled "Party History," linked here, is in fact scrubbed clean of the not-so-little dirty secret that fueled Democrats' political successes for over a century and a half and made American life a hell on earth for black Americans. Literally, the DNC official history, which begins with the creation of the party in 1800, gets to the creation of the DNC itself in 1848 and then--poof!--the next sentence says: "As the 19th Century came to a close, the American electorate changed more and more rapidly." It quickly heads into a riff on poor immigrants coming to America.

In a stroke, 52 years of Democratic history vanishes. Disappeared faster than the truth in the Clinton administration."


https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB121856786326834083

As I said before, "For Leftists, history begins each morning.", because their actual recorded history is horrifyingly ugly and devastating.


During their rise to power in the mid 1930s the Nazi party actually used the Democrat's "Jim Crow Laws" as a blueprint for crafting their 1935 anti- Jew "Nuremburg Laws" laws but even the Nazis considered the Democrat's racist, "one drop of negro blood" rule too extreme.

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Rinselberg always does that routine that we can't point fingers and affix blame about the past. That's not true for the things he covers for. It's true about some things, but not his approach.

 
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Sourmash, you are actually saying basically what I believe; It isn't the left or right, the liberals or conservatives or anything else that is "perfect" or "perfectly WRONG"....It is the organizations of power that LEADS to bad things.

No, we really aren't saying the same thing or what you believe. It's the left that's the problem. What you and most normies think is that there is a right in Wash.
There's a radical left and there are appeasers of the left.

The Reps are the party of the EPA and massive amnesty. They created the oppressive gov that required posse comitatus to protect us when this nation was bludgeoned into compliance after 1865 and to recreate what now exists. Abusive government is why the KKK was formed. That and WWII are why America is the nation of globalism. It wasnt the preeminent nation, but now it is. The carpet-baggers of post 1865 America were the same group as in 1920s-30s Germany abusing Germans which helped give rise to the NAZI party as a response. Abuse people and there's a backlash. Trump was a backlash. A lifelong Northeastern elite supporter of Democrats like the Clintons. He's the one you associate with NAZIs.

The Republicans aren't conservative nor the right.

We had 4 years where the Death Train was SLOWED, but still inching forward. Now your party is going balls to the wall to make up time. And the Republicans aren't representing us again. It's the McCain, Paul Ryan, Linsay Graham party again. But now it's Mitt Romney, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Liz Cheney. Until that party dies we're at the mercy of the radical left.

 
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Big business is not evil, nor government...they can both be good, but the more power, the more chance for that power to be exploited for bad or evil purposes. Limits need to be applied to both...or....ALL forms of power. And I believe 100% in term limits for EVERYONE in government.


Big gov and big corporations are evil. They do evil. Zuckerberg is evil. So is Dorsey and Google, and, and, and....

 
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As for Randy......You constantly berate anyone who says ANYTHING against your extreme beliefs...."Leftist" is what you call them.......You could call me a lot of things (And sometimes I would probably deserve a lot of bad titles) but Leftist is one that would get you in a lot of trouble if you weren't hiding behind your keyboard.....but you want everyone to only agree with you and your hero, lord Trump...That is very much like another thing you (Obviously) really like; Nazism


I don't find anything extreme in Randye's beliefs. I find your statements to be radical and are nonsense.

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A friend of mine ate himself to death watching Faux "News"...Ate himself up to 400 lbs, then had his foot amputated due to Diabetes....while in rehab they got him down to 300...When he got out he started shoveling food down again and was back up to 400 in 2 months. Could hardly walk.....Finally had a heart attack and passed in 2017.

He was a guitarist and had a $500 professional charcoal sketch of Jimi framed.......But after watching Faux (24/7) he started saying the "N" word all the time and bought 30 guns which he hid in a secret closet.....If I visited him at home or in Rehab, I would have to argue with him to turn down the volume but he would never turn off Faux.

He also stated that Russia was a great country and America was crap....."We need to look to Russia on how to run things!"


Hang out with dumbazzes, have dumbazz friends. I don't believe one word of what you posted. It makes everything you post and posted, "suspect".
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Comically ironic since the Leftist that posted that proudly admits that he lives on a steady diet of "MSLSD" [MSNBC.]

Unlike the "Foxmania" defendant, I'm not facing criminal charges from the January 6 Capitol Building "open house."

I'll leave it to the curious to track down the "genius" that said that and whether there's anything particularly comical, or ironic, or comically ironic or even ironically comical about it.

It's a non sequitur.

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Hang out with dumbazzes, have dumbazz friends. I don't believe one word of what you posted. It makes everything you post and posted, "suspect".


You know, all throughout my life I have gotten into trouble for being truthful....To bosses, to women, etc. I had a new boss almost every year while working for the Coast Guard, and the pattern was always the same; At first they would think "If he tells me this, then the TRUTH must be really bad!" Then, towards the end of their "reign", they would realize that they could trust me completely. A few months after I retired I talked to a co-worker (civilian) and he told me they had FOUR guys trying to do my job.

Lying is just not part of my make-up.

Also, it always amazes me how brave little people can be when they hide behind their keyboard....

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It's not so much what you say in that checklist of Democrats vs Republicans, historically. It's what you don't say.

Eugenics, for example. I've seen documentaries on how that took hold and gained a following in the United States. Democrats--yes. Republicans--yes. The Eugenics movement attracted many Republicans. Well to do and wealthy Republicans. They were called out in the TV documentary that I saw, sitting side by side with Democrats at a large Eugenics movement gathering and banquet.

What about the years that passed after World War One and the years that most directly led up to the outbreak of World War Two? Were the Republicans any better, on the whole, than the Democrats during that period--looking back at it in the rearview mirror of history? I think that would be a hard case to make.

I look at your "checklist" and I see an oversimplified view of history. A "2-D" version of history.


I think it's VERY important that you recognize how horrible the history of the Democrat party is. Sure, there are a lot of bad Republicans that joined Democrats in doing bad things. But you must recognize that while you look at this from a 2D perspective, all of those things I mention are unique Democrat-initiated practices. Whether a few Republicans joined in or not does not negate the fact that these were predominantly-Democrat feelings / ideas.


 
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I don't find it at all convincing towards the premise of why someone of today would do better for themselves or for their community (their state; the United States) to "be" or to "go" Republican than Democrat. I'm sure that other ways of supporting that premise are available, but your "checklist"..? Doesn't work for me.



I'm certainly not trying to convince you that the Republican party is better. What I am trying to do is open your eyes to the history of your party. I'm just not sure I understand the constant drum-beat that you provide on here that Republicans are the villain and racist, and the root of all evils, when quite clearly we can see that literally every single one of these bad things started, began, and persisted with the Democrat party.

On the face of this, I am merely confronting the narrative that you're pushing that Republicans are racist, by showing you that it's actually the Democrats who started all of it, and have 99% of the blood on their hands.

I would VERY much like to see a competing "checklist" from you that counters what I said.
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It doesn't amaze me, because I got used to it, how people will just make up stories because they're behind a keyboard and think people will believe some bs.

Call-in talk shows and internet platforms attract these people because they've exhausted other outlets where people just walk away or not answer their calls.
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I think it's VERY important that you recognize how horrible the history of the Democrat party is. Sure, there are a lot of bad Republicans that joined Democrats in doing bad things. But you must recognize that while you look at this from a 2D perspective, all of those things I mention are unique Democrat-initiated practices. Whether a few Republicans joined in or not does not negate the fact that these were predominantly-Democrat feelings / ideas.

I'm certainly not trying to convince you that the Republican party is better. What I am trying to do is open your eyes to the history of your party. I'm just not sure I understand the constant drum-beat that you provide on here that Republicans are the villain and racist, and the root of all evils, when quite clearly we can see that literally every single one of these bad things started, began, and persisted with the Democrat party.

On the face of this, I am merely confronting the narrative that you're pushing that Republicans are racist, by showing you that it's actually the Democrats who started all of it, and have 99% of the blood on their hands.

I would VERY much like to see a competing "checklist" from you that counters what I said.

I'm just here to confirm that I read this from "82".

Democrats vs Republicans is kind of its own topic--a subtext--inside of this thread that comprises the original "Capitol protest" topic.

It would take one or more new voices to move it forward or improve it in any way; that is, other forum members who haven't already commented on this "D vs R" subtext.

I'd be surprised if that happens.


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I'm just here to confirm that I read this from "82".

Democrats vs Republicans is kind of its own topic--a subtext--inside of this thread that comprises the original "Capitol protest" topic.

It would take one or more new voices to move it forward or improve it in any way; that is, other forum members who haven't already commented on this "D vs R" subtext.

I'd be surprised if that happens.


There are no more political discussions here. It has deteriorated to a handful of guys misrepresenting or misunderstanding the facts, or downright lying, then berating or insulting the other participants for doing the exact same thing.

Nobody is willing to learn, nobody is winning.

Everyone thinks he has something to prove. Nobody cares. It is just boring.

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

I'm just here to confirm that I read this from "82".

Democrats vs Republicans is kind of its own topic--a subtext--inside of this thread that comprises the original "Capitol protest" topic.

It would take one or more new voices to move it forward or improve it in any way; that is, other forum members who haven't already commented on this "D vs R" subtext.

I'd be surprised if that happens.




You know I'm not trying to be a jerk with you. I'm just legitimately trying to have a conversation, so I hope you know that. The history of the Democrat party has some good in it, but I also see them as categorically being on the wrong side of history for pretty much the past 100 years. There was some positive that came out of FDR's absurdly long presidency, and of course I'm a pretty big fan of Kennedy. I also agree with some things that Bill Clinton pushed. But a very large portion of the Democrat party's history is extremely bad... some of the most atrocious things that happened in this country, happened under their direct leadership and control... because of them, and by them. That is something that we cannot, and should not ignore. Especially when the narrative pushed by Democrats is the exact opposite. It would not be unlike the modern day NAZI party being responsible for teaching Kindergarten children that Jewish people are special. How hypocritical do you think that would be? This is kind of how I see the Democrat party with respect to "helping" minorities. My opinion based on my influences is that the Democrat party basically looks at minorities as people they can exploit and take advantage of for the "greater good." I really think most Democrats, especially white Democrats, believe that blacks and Hispanics are too stupid to make their own decisions and that... not only do they need white "enlightened" leadership to help guide them, but also believe they are a good "tool" for helping them stay in power.

I encourage you to change my mind, I mean that... not being facetious. I'm just not seeing it from the same perspective you have. The Democrats destroy almost everything they touch, and they blame their problems on Republicans, while trying to fix their problems with more of the same things that caused the problem in the first place.
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I might try to revisit this "D vs R subtext" at some later time.

I want to call attention to this:
 
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I know it's not fun, but nothing I said above was factually incorrect. I don't really understand your insinuation that everyone who did bad things as a Democrat was just doing it because it was convenient. That is how most Democrats felt at the time. The ONLY lineage I have in this country (since my dad is from the Netherlands and my mom was born in Argentina), is through my mom's father, who moved to Argentina in the 1960s for work (and then married an Argentine woman). His family goes back to the revolutionary war, and from the beginning of time, they were Whig supporters (as land owners) and then became Republicans. My great, great, great grandfather (and his father) fought for the Missouri 23rd Volunteer Regiment for the Union Army. They were all Republicans, and my family has always been Republican. My grandmother, grandfather, and my mom, and uncle, and aunt, all fled Argentina against the Socialist Peronist Regime... a type of Government that was really popular among Democrats. They all became Republicans. My great grandfather who fought in WW1, he was Republican. My grandfather who fought in WW2, he was Republican. My uncle who fought in Vietnam, he was Republican too.

If I were going to provide a counterpart for that, from my own life and experience, it would be this:
 
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I can see how these historical markers and milestones that "82" has laid out, going back to 1970 and before and even as far back as 1850-1899, could have meaning for him in a way that I could never imagine for myself.

"Standing down."

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You know, all throughout my life I have gotten into trouble for being truthful....To bosses, to women, etc. I had a new boss almost every year while working for the Coast Guard, and the pattern was always the same; At first they would think "If he tells me this, then the TRUTH must be really bad!" Then, towards the end of their "reign", they would realize that they could trust me completely. A few months after I retired I talked to a co-worker (civilian) and he told me they had FOUR guys trying to do my job.

Lying is just not part of my make-up.

Also, it always amazes me how brave little people can be when they hide behind their keyboard....


Throughout my life, I have observed that people that feel compelled to tell stories about how "honest" they are, aren't.

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I might revisit this "D vs R subtext" in some non-trivial way, at some unspecified and unpredictable time.

The 'berg abides . . . for now.




As they say in the Cialis commercials... "When the moment strikes..."

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Throughout my life, I have observed that people that feel compelled to tell stories about how "honest" they are, aren't.



That is A-OK with me.....I don't care about fool's opinions.....especially loud mouthed fools.

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That is A-OK with me.....I don't care about fool's opinions.....especially loud mouthed fools.






 
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As for Randy......You constantly berate anyone who says ANYTHING against your extreme beliefs...."Leftist" is what you call them.......You could call me a lot of things (And sometimes I would probably deserve a lot of bad titles) but Leftist is one that would get you in a lot of trouble if you weren't hiding behind your keyboard.....



That reads a whole lot like a personal threat.

You want to elaborate on that?

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Starting with a question, instead of an assertion or a judgement-loaded assertion . . .

I think that's a good thing to keep in mind when someone is working up a public message or post in one of these innately contentious political or culture-wars kinds of threads.

It's something I could try to keep in mind myself, more often than I've been doing.
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Especially when the narrative pushed by Democrats is the exact opposite. It would not be unlike the modern day NAZI party being responsible for teaching Kindergarten children that Jewish people are special.

How hypocritical do you think that would be?



How hypocritical?

Just look at the title of this whole thread; "The narrative that the Capitol protest was a "deadly insurrection".....


That narrative was, and is, principally being pushed by Leftists and "Democrats".

The Democrat party that was entirely responsible for the real insurrection and sedition that caused the American civil war.

The Democrat party that needs to publicly acknowledge, accept, repent, and beg forgiveness for their past before any rational person can even begin to take them seriously.

Instead, all they do his hide, ignore, or deny their history, and when they can't do that, they openly try to assign their own history to others.

The other problem is that the Democrat party is now mostly just a name. The classic liberal ideology of JFK is long gone.

The Marxist Left has taken over the Democrat party and they certainly don't see the history of the party as their own, and they're right, it isn't.

The true heritage of the new "Democrat" party is now Lenin, Trotsky, National Socialism of the Nazis, Mao, Pol Pot and a dozen others just like them who owe the basis for their ideology to Karl Marx.

By the way, it is now just over 4 months since January 6, well over 400 people have been arrested and charged as a result of that day, and still NOBODY has been charged with insurrection, not even by the "Democrat" controlled DOJ because it's much easier to push a false narrative that it is to make the legal case.

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That reads a whole lot like a personal threat.

You want to elaborate on that?



Randy....Do you feel threatened? Isn't it your right here to abuse anyone you want anytime and just get a pat on your back for being a good little boy?

Aren't you........"Righteous"....? Show me your little.........."halo"

Bully-bully.....
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Picking up right where that left off . . .

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There are no more political discussions here. It has deteriorated to a handful of guys misrepresenting or misunderstanding the facts, or downright lying, then berating or insulting the other participants for doing the exact same thing.

Nobody is willing to learn, nobody is winning.

Everyone thinks he has something to prove. Nobody cares. It is just boring.


cvxjet is pretending to be something that everyone can see that he isnt. He thinks it gives him an in to getting away with attacking the right.

Additionally, YOU can't support Trump and pretend you aren't the White Supremacist and NAZI that the radical left is talking about. When you pretend there is a White supremacist threat you're just joining the radical left in hopes they won't attack you.
I know you supported Trump but you have to accept that Punch a NAZI in the Face was targeting people in MAGA hats.

You and maryjane aren't living what you are trying to project to some of us.

 
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The Democrat party that was entirely responsible for the real insurrection and sedition that caused the American civil war.


Meh. The polarization caused it. When not one representative's vote matters to the election then the disenfranchised will revolt eventually. I accept why the nation split. That nation ended that day. You and I never lived in true freedom.

The replacement was oppression and abuse, by Republicans, yes because of the war but stil... The Republican military policing the South and abusing them. Like I said, causing the Posse Comitatus Act to halt Republican military abuses. It's still in effect.

 
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The other problem is that the Democrat party is now mostly just a name. The classic liberal ideology of JFK is long gone.

Never shoulda been made President. They stole the election from Nixon. The Republican party isnt as tyrannical as it was. Now they're appeasers. Roles have flipped.

 
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The true heritage of the new "Democrat" party is now Lenin, Trotsky, National Socialism of the Nazis, Mao, Pol Pot and a dozen others just like them who owe the basis for their ideology to Karl Marx.


Uh, no. German NSDAP (NAZIs) had one main enemy; Marxist communists. Guess what religious group fronted Marxism in Germany? HINT: Marx, Lenin are also members of this group.
How come the West today looks so much like the 1930s of Europe?

 
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By the way, it is now just over 4 months since January 6, well over 400 people have been arrested and charged as a result of that day, and still NOBODY has been charged with insurrection, not even by the "Democrat" controlled DOJ because it's much easier to push a false narrative that it is to make the legal case.


Don't leave out that BLM antifa rioters have been in the arrest group for storming the White House.

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Willie. Nick Sandmann. The Carholic school teenaged minor. He bought a MAGA hat from a DC vendor that day. Most of those vendors are Black, anyway.

We know the rest of the story. Black racist Israelites set on him because of his racist White Supremacist hat. Then an Amerucan Indian started taunting and provoking him for his racist White supremacist hat. Then the Bolshevik corporate media started bashing him for buying a racist White supremacist hat. Racist Black talking heads on MSNBC and Twitter started inciting people to commit violence against him.

You shouldn't be feeding these people their own propaganda which results in more violence against people like Nick. Wonder why people get pissed off?
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There are no more political discussions here. It has deteriorated to a handful of guys misrepresenting or misunderstanding the facts, or downright lying, then berating or insulting the other participants for doing the exact same thing.

Nobody is willing to learn, nobody is winning.

Everyone thinks he has something to prove. Nobody cares. It is just boring.


Good summation.

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It was said Sandmann has a "punchable face." The school received death threats. BLM activist Shawn King tweeted how racist they were, hiding in their whiteness to harass Nathan. The mentally deficient Black Israelites called the students supporters of homosexuality.

All by leftist racists behaving as leftist racists do by saying all Trump supporters are racists.

Trump supporters don't need to be supporting these assertions. That's the Bolshevik media's job.
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Good summation.




Well, you know what they say about opinions....
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It sounds very much like he was telling you to go away with passive-aggressive actions because he didn't want to hear what you were saying.



Rinselberg, isnt this what you did too posting a making fun post of folks watching too much of some kind of news. Isnt it funny though that the false news was the mainstream diatribe that much of the public ate up, and is seemingly addicted to being spoon fed.
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