Blackrams,
Hezblalah has some elected seats in the Lebaneese parlament. not near a majority. Most of their influence in the South.
I believe you're thinking about Hamas in Palastine.

Wolfhound, I stand corrected, thanks. Yes, I did confuse the two.

I have been following this thread. Had no time to get involved in a discussion and did not want to toss out opinions without the benifit of.

quote Originally posted by Raydar: He went to Europe to fight Hitler. He believed in the cause.

I am sure he did not go without the USA although he may have wanted to. Fact is, everyone tried to look the other way when Hitler and the Japanese were going on their conquests. It made it that much harder to right their wrongs. "Nip it in the bud" in your vocabulary?
Bombing civillians? Hiding behind civillians is a tactic of war. Your meth lab is about to be raided. A hurricane is coming. Your house is on fire. Are you sticking around?
A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Much worse is to destroy one. To teach children the propaganda being taught to the Islam, Muslim, Hezbolla, Hamas, etc instead of teaching benificial teachings is a waste due to destruction. Way back in this thread, Formula88 informed that Islam (or whatever) used to be a world power but fell behind. Because the rest of the world had more money to manipulate, according to "the Islam spin". Where did this money from the inferior society come from ?
Education. Free will.
The Bubonic Plague started half way around the world. Not my problem

Wolfhound...
Got your PM. Thanks very much. Amazing, and sad.
Tried to respond but apparently I'm blocked.

Cliffw...
I'm not sure if I understand your point.
I believe he was drafted, but back then everybody with a pulse was drafted.

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quote Originally posted by jstricker: Do you have any links that support this supposition? Frankly, from what I've seen, most people in Lebanon, that are Lebanese citizens, DO support and in fact respect Hezbollah. If you have something that shows otherwise, I'd be interested in reading it. John Stricker

You assume, incorrectly, that the Lebanese population is a homogenous whole that only shares one set of thoughts and beliefs. Though this is a simplistic and easy to have view, it is in fact just plain wrong, though typically shared by many Americans because it's easy.

The population in Lebanon is mixed in terms of religious affiliations, mainly Shiites, Sunnis, Christians and Druse. The Shiites mostly support Hezbollah because of their success in helping force the end of the 18 year occupation of Southern Lebanon by Israel. Yes, occupation. Lots of bad blood there, Israel was a particularly oppressive occupier.

The Sunnis, Christians, and Druse mainly oppose supporting Hezbollah. Because of reasons more thoroughly explained in the wiki article there's not a clear concensus of the population destribution among the different sects. The Shiites may be anywhere from 35% to maybe 50%, so even if you assume every single Shia supports Hezbollah that's still less than half the population. Since it's not logical to assume that kind of support, it's clear that only a minority of the Lebanese population likely supports what Hezbollah does or represents, and even fewer are likely to provide actual resources to keep Hezbollah in operation.

As a side note, I didn't realize that there were close to half a million Palestinian refugees in Lebanon alone. Refugees from where, I wonder?

More info on Lebanese religious and demographic statistics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Lebanon

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060715/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_hezbollah

JazzMan

If the lebonise people made their own government kick out the terrorists who live there freely, they wouldnt have to worry about being collateral damage. If it was a court trial, Lebonese would be listed as accomplices that usually get the same punishment as the original criminals.

No the Lebonese guy cant go over to make the terrorist move their rocket launcher, but he could demand his government, military, or police remove them to protect himself. They let them live there, again I say, they accept the responsibility of what happens to him or them.

The PLO went into Lebanon and set up camps to attack Israel from in 1970 when Jordan kicked them out by force.
Israel went in in 1982 to drive the PLO out who were forced to head for Tunisia. Then they let them move into the Israeli disputed territories and form their own government and Israel pulled out of Lebanon in 2000. Thanks given? New terrorist organization fills the void and now they have Hamas voted into power in the Palestinian areas in Israel and Hezbollah running southern Lebanon... both still attacking Israel.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/lebwith.html

Hezbollah takes credit for Israel pulling out of Lebanon the last time when it was Israel following a UN resolution no one else would fulfill, the Lebonese government never took control back after they withdrew.

Following is quote from the link...

6. The Population of Southern Lebanon:

— Israel is morally and politically committed to the safety and security of the soldiers of the South Lebanon Army (SLA) and the civil administration officials who worked alongside Israel for many years to protect the southern Lebanese population from the encroachment of terrorist organizations. This commitment forms an integral part of the Israeli government's March 5 decision to withdraw from Lebanon.

— In this context, Israel is prepared to absorb any SLA soldiers or civil officials who choose to relocate to Israel, together with their families.

— Israel is working closely with elements in the international community in order to promote the welfare and safety of those who decide to remain in southern Lebanon.

— The restoration of peace and security to both sides of the border requires the Lebanese government to move beyond the events of the past, and to reintegrate the soldiers and citizens of southern Lebanon into the fabric of Lebanese life.

— The oft-repeated declarations of Hizbullah leaders, stating their intention to 'execute' SLA soldiers following the withdrawal, are intended primarily to obstruct the full implementation of 425. These declarations stand in stark contrast to the feelings of the great majority of the Lebanese public and leadership which strive for national reconciliation after the Israeli withdrawal.

Together with its goal of achieving calm and tranquility along its northern border, Israel also views this withdrawal as being a catalyst for the achievement of peace with all of its northern neighbors.

All parties who are interested in promoting Arab-Israeli reconciliation must remember that a stable Lebanon is an indispensable element of a comprehensive Middle East Peace. Lebanon and Israel desire this peace and the people of the region deserve it."

More on the subject from the Israeli side.

http://www.israel.org/MFA/History/Modern+History/Histor ic+Events/The+Israeli+Withdrawal+from+Southern+Lebanon-+Spec.htm

and an interesting link explaining how the Syrians used the occupation as a way to justify their presence as occupiers in Lebanon and how they tried to actually stop Israel from withdrawing from Lebanon the last time for their own purposes (hmmm... that sounds familiar... neighboring Arab countries screwing over other Arab countries for their own purposes and blaming Israel... Iraq in Kuwait, the Palestinians gettting screwed by the Arabs since the birth of Israel, the Lebonese getting screwed by the PLO, Hezbollah, Syria...

http://www.meib.org/articles/0003_l1.htm

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quote Originally posted by Raydar: Cliffw... I'm not sure if I understand your point. I believe he was drafted, but back then everybody with a pulse was drafted.

No point in direct reference to your father Raydar. Sorry for the confusion. My point was....ummm.....then, just as it is now, some say it is not our problem while others believe something needs to be done.
Were we right to get involved in WW II? I am asking those that do not believe we should be in the fight against terrorism. Whether it be in Israel, with Israel, in Iraq, in Africa.

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An interesting web site I came across while doing a little research.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/is.html

Talks about Israel from a pretty objective point of view. Yes, this is the CIA fact book.

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Good guys, and bad guys.

In the current war between Israel and the Palestinians of Hizb-Allah and Hamas observers seem to get confused about who is who, who has done what, and who to blame:
Why is this so hard to figure out for some people? There are some simple parameters one can use to determine who is wearing the white hats and who is wearing the black hats.

Who do you shoot at in a war:
During open hostilities one side targets only combatants and support infrastructure, tries their best to avoid civilians, and honestly regret collateral damage and civilian casualties: White hats.

During open hostilities the other side intentionally targets civilian non-combatants, with schools hospitals and places of worship on the target list using munitions filled with bearings and rat poison: Black hats.

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Artillery / rocket launchers:
One side of this conflict places their artillery away from their own population so that return fire only endangers their own fighters: White hats

The other side places their rocket launchers in the middle of villages, prevents the villagers from leaving, and even surrounds the launchers with kids so that return fire kills and maims children for the PR value: Black hats.

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Cycle of violence:
One side will send suicide bombers onto city buses, school buses, nightclubs, children oriented pizza joints, markets, weddings, etc. The hatred of any people from a different religion is so intense that murdering women and children is seen as legitimate; the targets are not viewed as people but as monkeys and pigs: Black hats

The other side only responds when provoked. When their civilians are killed in mass murder suicide attacks, they respond by finding one or more of the commanders who sent the human bomb to do the evil deed and shoot his car with a missile in the hope of preventing or slowing down the murderous rampages. White hats.

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Prospects for peace:
One side has latched onto and agreed to every roadmap for peace, peace process, Oslo accords, two state solutions, and every other chance that has come along. This is a people weary of war and conflict, a people who just want to live in peace and be left alone: White Hats

The Other side has rejected every “roadmap” for peace, rejected the two state solution, rejected the Oslo accords where they were offered everything they said they wanted. This side of the conflict does not want peace they want every Jew dead. The two Palestinian organizations not only do not recognize the state of Israel, but their very reason for existence is the destruction of the Jewish state and the pushing into the sea of the infidel Jewish population: Black hats.

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There really are good guys and bad guys in the world. Many will argue that these two sides are morally equivalent and to back up that argument will trot out bad things the Israelis may have done. Indeed there may have been bad targeting, but this typically is a mistake, unlike the Islamist Palestinians where civilian deaths are on purpose.

If only our own Jew hating left could grasp the moral difference between an accident and on purpose. If you are driving and hit a child because you didn’t see the kid; that is a terrible and tragic thing but the driver is not morally culpable, it’s an accident. If you murder a child by shooting them in the head, or scalding them to death in a bathtub, this is a completely different thing and worthy of our most severe punishment. Even though the result is the same in that there is a dead child, they are not the same thing. This seems to be the blind spot of the moral equivalence crowd.

Israel is not perfect, perfection is an impossible standard, but they are a democratic country whose free citizens (yes even the Arabs) live with liberty, a country that wants to live in peace in a part of the world that they have been living in for millennia.
The Islamist fascists that are the Palestinians are some of the most reprehensible people on this planet who revel in their death cult. Purveyors of this same fascist ideology have declared war on America and attacked us in the marine barracks bombing in Beirut, and various other bombings around the world culminating in 9/11. The Imperfect Israelis deserve our support in this war against the common foe of actual bad guys and self professed enemies of America.

http://anti-strib.blogspot.com/2006/07/good-guys-and-bad-guys.html

quote Originally posted by cliffw: No point in direct reference to your father Raydar. Sorry for the confusion. My point was....ummm.....then, just as it is now, some say it is not our problem while others believe something needs to be done. Were we right to get involved in WW II? I am asking those that do not believe we should be in the fight against terrorism. Whether it be in Israel, with Israel, in Iraq, in Africa.

Got it. Thanks. I'm a bit slow sometimes. (Some would say "frequently". )

quote Originally posted by Uaana: Good guys, and bad guys. There are some simple parameters one can use to determine who is wearing the white hats and who is wearing the black hats.

Thank you.

Good post Uaanna. Some of these people seem to ignore the terrorists because they themself havent been directly affected. They will all think different when there kids or friends die from a terrorists hand. Id love to be there to see the face of one of the 'mind our own business' crowd when a box arrives with their daughters head in it.

Or she gets blown up by a bomb droped by an Israelie F-16. Oh wait.. but thats a friendly nation...
No problem.

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: Good post Uaanna. Some of these people seem to ignore the terrorists because they themself havent been directly affected. They will all think different when there kids or friends die from a terrorists hand. Id love to be there to see the face of one of the 'mind our own business' crowd when a box arrives with their daughters head in it.

Zeinab, 13, is one of four people still at Tyre's Najm Hospital who survived an ill-fated civilian convoy that left the village of Aitaroun last Friday to escape from one of the most bombed areas in south-east of Lebanon near the Israeli border.

Ohh I'm sorry, she must be a supporter of Hezbollah and deserves what she got. Not to mention she is someone elses kid... so who cares?

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New post from Israel.

Snip:

I thought twice before posting this as it has not yet been announced on the news, but I figured that if I can sit in my house and know it, Hizbollah knows it as well.

There has been a tremendous amount of fire in the past hour. This is not, however, the kind of shooting that we have been hearing for the past few days.

For one thing, there has been no incoming fire. For another, the pattern of the firing is more disciplined and more constant.

This is not the shooting of a battle. This is the clearing of a battlefield for a ground invasion.
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quote Originally posted by Wolfhound: New post from Israel. This is not the shooting of a battle. This is the clearing of a battlefield for a ground invasion. l

It's been in the news for 2 days that they were planning to drive about 20mi in to lebanon. They've been dropping leaflets for 2 days saying leave or stay at your own risk.

you are correct, that is exactly what it is.

"When" hasn't been in the news. Should be going in shortly, night push.

The person posting this is duel citizenship American -Israeli and a Vietnam Vet.
He's within site of the border.

Yes HE"S right, should be, he's watching it.

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Ahh, ok misunderstood what you were trying to convey.

This is near Yiron, Israel. Not the first incursion this week in the same place.
If you look at a map, the border runs east and turns north. Yiron is near the turn.
The town is taking incoming .
Theory is they have to fire the missles or leave them.
Night gives infared advantage for air support.
They've been in a couple of hours.

I think it's about time for the second 'coming'...but regrettably, I don't think He would last long enough to make a difference any more...I wish I had the confidence in Mankind NOT to believe what I have written.
Nick

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: I think it's about time for the second 'coming'...

I'm not disputing this sentiment. I'll just remind you that people have been saying "the end is near" for... forever.
Just because it looks like "the end" doesn't necessarily mean it is so. Even the Bible advises Christians to not try to guess the hour or the day. There has been war in that area for centuries, and there is the largest possibility that there will be war in that area for centuries longer.

Having said all that...
Of course, you could be right. That would be a serious downer, but whatever. I just try to be as prepared as I can be.
Not that I'm a fatalist or a pessimist, but I have often said that if I ever heard that the nukes were incoming, I would grab a bottle of wine and a bag of smoke and climb up on the roof to watch the show.
I certainly don't want to be around for the aftermath, whether it be the biblical version or the secular "lets all glow in the dark" version.

No, Israel started it. They crossed the border and took prisoners just days before. It's been in several news articles, but Israeli-apologists seem to conveniently overlook that fact, as do all of our elected representatives (Democrats included) and the traditional media.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: If so, you are what clings to the TP. Isreal has a right to defend itself you pin head. The fact that the Palestinians picked a fight with a tougher hombre does NOT, repeat does NOT, make them the vicitms here. The deaths of those family members, while tragic, is the fault of Hamas. They could have ended this war before it started by not kidnapping an Isreali soldier who was on Isreali soil when he was taken. Or they could have released him when the ENTIRE world condemned the act. It's this simple boys and girls. Isreal was attacked and they have the right to defend themselves. Period.

better do some more checking. Israel struck back after they snuck up on an Israeli post and killed 2 soldiers and kidnapped one. Israel all along has said stop firing rockets and give him back alive and they will leave them alone. Terrorists brought in on themselves and they deserve everything their getting......case of biting off more than they can chew.

aside from the coolaid drinkers we have on here..

Can someone lay out what the dem response would be?

Mind you we're up for elections that could sway the house/senate.. so do you guys have a plan?


ya ya.. I know Bush is evil and all that.. but umm what exactly do the dem kids have in mind if they get in control?

yes.. I'm evil..
Now lets see if either R or D can focus in on the stuff that the real americans are annoyed about.. IE.. Border security, gas prices.

oh.. you thought gay marriage and education were tops.. sorry.. those who work for a living want a. security and are annoyed with illegals (to say the least) and are watching their paychecks getten eaten by high gas prices...

So.. giving you kids a heads up, warning.. etc.. focus on those two items or your candidate wont get elected..

all those opposed.. please send an IM and how much youre betting.. Need to figure out how many upgrades I can do the the hooptie.

BTW.. No. not a R evil neocon whatever your catchphrase for the day is.
Just a libertarian trying to point out that the dems are f'd .. the R's are screwed but at least they have a plan.

http://www.agriquality.net/web/pages/agriisr.html
I really don't want to get involved in this..errr...debate.But I would like somebody to explain to me how Israel can afford such vast amounts of armament on this sort of National income.I have an idea that a lot of Israel's wealth is garnished from overseas, by wealthy Jews in commerce.I am also a little incredulous that so much produce is harvested from such a small area of arable land.(just over 5000 square kilometres, according to the link)
I am not trying to pour petrol on the flames, but would just like to learn a little more about Israel and how it became so successful financially, in such a short space of time, and yet Lebanon, seemingly to have about the same sort of land area, is so poor? I know nothing about Israel really, and figure it is time I learned, before commiting myself to support either side. I know which way the National Press is trying to nudge me, but I hate being nudged...by anybody!!
Nick
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quote Originally posted by Jeremiah: No, Israel started it. They crossed the border and took prisoners just days before. It's been in several news articles, but Israeli-apologists seem to conveniently overlook that fact, as do all of our elected representatives (Democrats included) and the traditional media.

Sources? Who was taken prisoner... where when why how? You just made one of those wonderful sweeping statements shifting blame without giving ANY details backing it up.

A) Israel crossed the border days before.... Before what?
B) Took prisoners... Where? Who was taken prisoner? Note the difference even you take... the Israelis took prisoners, the Hezbollah kidnaps people.
C) Several news articles... then cite them. I like to see details.
D) Overlook that fact... you provided NO facts, just a claim... back it up with some sources and maybe it will turn out to be a fact. Otherwise it's propoganda.

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: <edit> Nick

Most of Isreals income is from offshore tech. I've dealt with them in the past.. damn hard negotiaters.
They are hard in the tech industry on the stuff you dont normally see.

Sorry can't go into much more since we work with them, on various issues/concerns.

OK, ignore my stupidity..it is only a very tiny portion of National income..I didn't read properly or use my brain.Sorry. Too tired to concentrate...so I shouldn't post till I have read the whole thing.
Nick

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: http://www.agriquality.net/web/pages/agriisr.html I really don't want to get involved in this..errr...debate.But I would like somebody to explain to me how Israel can afford such vast amounts of armament on this sort of National income.I have an idea that a lot of Israel's wealth is garnished from overseas, by wealthy Jews in commerce.I am also a little incredulous that so much produce is harvested from such a small area of arable land.(just over 5000 square kilometres, according to the link) I am not trying to pour petrol on the flames, but would just like to learn a little more about Israel and how it became so successful financially, in such a short space of time, and yet Lebanon, seemingly to have about the same sort of land area, is so poor? I know nothing about Israel really, and figure it is time I learned, before commiting myself to support either side. I know which way the National Press is trying to nudge me, but I hate being nudged...by anybody!! Nick Nick

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: http://www.agriquality.net/web/pages/agriisr.html I really don't want to get involved in this..errr...debate.But I would like somebody to explain to me how Israel can afford such vast amounts of armament on this sort of National income.I have an idea that a lot of Israel's wealth is garnished from overseas, by wealthy Jews in commerce.I am also a little incredulous that so much produce is harvested from such a small area of arable land.(just over 5000 square kilometres, according to the link) Nick

They don't depend on agriculture although they have a thriving industry there... Here is a good start on some of the other industries.

http://www.israeltrade.org.au/links-il.html

They have manufacturing... I know I've bought automotive parts made in Israel. Packaging, Home inprovement, Electronics, Aquaculture. jewelry, irrigation, medical, foods, chemicals, construction, solar products, textiles, optics, artwork, etc...

http://www.kia.co.il/welcome.htm these guys represent over 300 factories and companies

For comparison in Lebanon http://www.lebanon-industry.com/idco/Main/index.aspx

Sad thing is that investment in industry stagnated and fell apart during the 70's and 80's with the civil war and then occupation by Israel, Syria, and the UN. I had a friend I used to see online in Beirut with a repair shop back in the 90's but he disappeared so I lost track of what life was like there for the last 6 years or so. Things were getting better but the Israeli pullout may have made things worse. They were about the only real security the actual citizens got.

Must be nice to fight for land that dosent even belong to them.

quote Originally posted by STIFFLER: There are MANY reasons to why israel has so much money. Its not because of what you posted at all.I dont intend to get into that on this forum either. Funny how jews support multicultralism in every other country but there own. Who was it that was quoted saying " There is no place for multicultralism in israel"?..Must be nice to take half of europe to the cleaners for apperant "holocaust" involvment and numbers that rise with economic status. If anyone ends israel it will be IRAN they have been buying weapons from russia for years. The leader was already quoted on the news saying "ISRAEL should be wiped off the map". Give the land back to who it really belongs to PALESTINE.

Oh, man, you gotta be kidding.

quote Originally posted by STIFFLER: There are MANY reasons to why israel has so much money. Its not because of what you posted at all.I dont intend to get into that on this forum either. Funny how jews support multicultralism in every other country but there own. Who was it that was quoted saying " There is no place for multicultralism in israel"?..Must be nice to take half of europe to the cleaners for apperant "holocaust" involvment and numbers that rise with economic status. If anyone ends israel it will be IRAN they have been buying weapons from russia for years. The leader was already quoted on the news saying "ISRAEL should be wiped off the map". Give the land back to who it really belongs to PALESTINE.

Uh, firstly, the Palestinians don't own the land nor have they ever owned the land. And secondly, as for who was their first, yep, that would be the Jews. They have called that land home since 4300 BC. Long before the Arabs arrived.

and as for the 'holocaust' comment, you're a ****ing moron.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Uh, firstly, the Palestinians don't own the land nor have they ever owned the land. And secondly, as for who was their first, yep, that would be the Jews. They have called that land home since 4300 BC. Long before the Arabs arrived. and as for the 'holocaust' comment, you're a ****ing moron.

Got facts to back that up? Why is that israelis changed all the names of villages and roads to jewish names from palestinian names? BESIDES the Jews left, they forfeited any claims they had to the land. That reduces their credibility to ZERO. As well as yours. Palestine rightfully owns the land. Don't blab **** about the holocaust you know nothing about. There were more jews in europe after the WWII then before.


PS: It's amazing how through the holocaust, jews seem ot have rendered themselves immune to criticism..It shows largely in the zionist world.

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http://lexicorient.com/e.o/pal_isr_state.htm
The "state" of Palestine was proclaimed in 1988, but in exile. Land was granted to the state, by Egypt (Gaza Strip) and Jordan (West Bank), but this was under full Israeli occupation, and parts of these lands were even used to establish Jewish colonies.

Kind of like me giving you part of Arizona for your own state.

STIFFLER:

Your antisemitic view point has been previously established:
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/040171.html

My question is "What did the Jews do to you to gain your enmity?"

Stiffler just doesn't like jews... he buys into the conspiracy.

The holocaust wasn't so bad... the jews rule the world, Israel is oppressing the arabs blah blah blah...

Stiffler weren't you the one that posted "get over it" about the holocaust? How about get over it and get on with your lives for the Arabs that abandoned their homes to support a war against their country?

Israel IS multicultural... anyone can practice any religon. How many of the surrounding Arab countries allow jews to live in peace inside their borders? Allow them to practice their faith in the open without reprisal? It ain't many... They've for the most part kicked the jews out and stolen their homes, goods and lands. Yet they want the jews to give land back they bought and paid for along with land and homes people abandoned to fight against the country.

Think if you were to leave the US because say your hispanic and mexico said get out because they were going to kill all the non hispanics and destroy the country... you went to mexico and they lost a war against the US.... that you could then come back and have your house back? What planet are you people from?

Or... you pay for a house and pay 10x the market price... later the previous owner comes back and wants you to give it back because it wasn't fair that he sold it at 10x market price... oh and they don't want to buy it back... they just want you to give it back. And because the fair housing act is now flipped around, the reason they deserve it back for free is because of your religon.... yeah that's fair. Doh!

quote Originally posted by STIFFLER: Got facts to back that up?

Uh, yeah. It's called a history book. We all got one in the school I went to. Did you cut class that day or were you in the principals office for beating up a kid named Levy?

I suppose next you will want me to prove that the Japanese were the first to settle in Japan.

quote Why is that israelis changed all the names of villages and roads to jewish names from palestinian names? BESIDES the Jews left, they forfeited any claims they had to the land.

They didn't leave they were made into slaves and exiled. Jesus Christ is your history this ****ed up? Where did you go to school? One-Tooth High?

quote Palestine rightfully owns the land. Don't blab **** about the holocaust you know nothing about. There were more jews in europe after the WWII then before.

You're the one with no credibility pin head. Care to put it to a vote?

quote PS: It's amazing how through the holocaust, jews seem ot have rendered themselves immune to criticism..It shows largely in the zionist world.

It is not reasonable to criticize them for being born Jewish you moron. If you have a problem with ISREALI politics, that is one thing, but condemning an entire race because they were born different from you makes you the ignorant one. Denying the history of Jewish occupation of their homeland and the FACTS of the holocaust makes you look like an idiot. I'd be happy to stack my knowledge of the holocaust up to yours any day. Given the lack of intellect in your statements I couldn't possibly lose that debate.

Now go shave your head or something. Human beings are talking here.

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quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: better do some more checking. Israel struck back after they snuck up on an Israeli post and killed 2 soldiers and kidnapped one. Israel all along has said stop firing rockets and give him back alive and they will leave them alone. Terrorists brought in on themselves and they deserve everything their getting......case of biting off more than they can chew.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3034697.stm
Last Updated: Friday, 16 May, 2003, 18:35 GMT 19:35 UK
Legal limbo of Guantanamo's prisoners
By Monica Whitlock
BBC correspondent in Kabul
With the arrival of 30 new detainees at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, the United States is now holding more prisoners there than ever before.


So the US just snatched up 30 more "prisoners" and whisked them away..... Does that mean we should expect rockets, kamikazi pilots to come flying across our boarders any second?

It's ok for the US and Israel to take others off the streets of their countries but it's not ok of other countries to do the same? I guess if I burried my head up my ass far enough I would find some kind of justification for it and say sure... we can do anything we want because we have the power to dictate what is right or what is wrong. Ya know.. maintain the double standard?