quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Jesus todd you are one dumb mutha ****er! I don't know if you realize it but peace in the ME has taken a 20 year leap backwards. .

Bill you can put these two sentences together and not even see the hypocrasy?

Shall I give you a little reminder of the last "20 years" in the Middle East?

Let's start with your boy Jimmy Carter. He wanted to negotiate til the cows came home, the result:

1979 - 66 Americans were captured, tortured, and held prisoner for 444 days!
1980-1988 - Iran/Iraq War
1983 - Hezbollah attacks US Barracks in Beirut murdering over 400 US soldier, marines, and sailors (your "brothers in arms")
1984 - Decorated US soldier William Buckley is kidnapped in Beirut while walking to work, and video taped being tortured and murdered.
1985 - After Hezbollah hijacks a plane, they single out US petty Office Steffens and kill him in cold blood and dump his body on the tarmack (your "brother in arms")
1987 - The first Intifada
1991 - Hezbollah kidnaps Lt Col Rich Higgins and Vietnam vet and decorated war hero and hangs him in Beirut. (your "brother in arms")
1991 - The Gulf War
1991 - Saddam launches SCUD missles at Israel killing in one attack over 100 American Soldiers eating dinner (more of your "brothers in arms" just having a meal) & (Israel does not retaliate)
1993 - first World Trade Center Bombing (6 casualties)
1996 - Kobar Tower bombings
1998 - US embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya
2000 - attack on USS Cole
2000 - the second and most deadly Intifada
2001 - 9/11 - over 3000 civilians murdered
2003 - Bali bombings
2004 - Spanish subway bombings
2005 - British subway bombings

And all this above is just off the top of my HEAD!!!! If I actually went to pull up a list of all the atrocities committed by your terrorist buddies it would paint this website.

I would ask whether or not you are a rascist or just ignorant Bill, but apparently, you're both.

Shut up Todd.

You cant even keep the conversation in context let alone make some wild left field comments about me seem somehow credible.

quote Originally posted by Toddster:

Well Stiffler couldn't stop himself again... Thanks for outting yourself.

Bill, youstirke me an isolationist version of Toddster. Doesn't matter what the facts are, if someone doesn't agree with your viewpoint they are an idiot and the enemy.

I don't hate Arabs. Jews don't all hate Arabs. What they hate is having people who with pretty much over the last 40 years or so happen to come into their homes, businesses, onto their public transportation for the intent of killing them. There are Israeli citizens that are Arabs. There are Arabs outside Israel that support the idea of peace with Israel. But, the militant/terrorist factions will kill those Arabs, be they Islamic or Christian just as fast as they will kill a Jew.

I feel sorry for the Palestinians that want peace, that want to have productive lives, but have had the Arab league decide that their role is to die for a cause. Same goes for the Lebonese, a country where it's the ones fighting to consolidate Arab/Islamic power in the region have caused strife for everyone for decades. Israel didn't start the civil war there, the islamic arabs killing the christian arabs did that. Israel didn't put the PLO there or Hezbollah... Syria, Jordan and Egypt fostered the PLO and Iran fostered the Hezbollah. Part of that strategy our right wingers have... better to fight the fight on someone elses soil.

The US isn't involved in this conflict beyond having supplied some of Israels weapons... and we sell weapons to just about anyone with the funds to buy them. If that is your problem, we should not be supplying weapons to Arab countries either... like the $6 BILLION dollars worth just authorized to Saudi Arabia. But if we don't sell them they sure aren't going to go without... they will just buy or build them elsewhere. We paid money a while back to stop Israel from entering the aircraft market with their own bomber. Some of those 155 rounds being fired are being fired out of US made howitzers but the rounds are made in Israel.

I didn't say Israel doesn't do anything wrong. Israel is a country, countries are made up of people, some of whom do bad things. I'm not excusing that, but Israel also goes after those amongst themselves that do bad things.

A little history lesson that relates to Lebanon. What the PLO did in Jordan that got them kicked out by force there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_in_Jordan

They, like their successors Hamas and Hezbollah attack anyone that doesn't support them including their own. Hezbollah has been running around in Lebanon like the PLO were in Jordan and afterwards in Lebanon (part of the Cairo Accord). When the country won't clean house, it becomes liable. If there was a group here insideUS firing setting up check points, kidnapping people, firing rockets into a neighboring country... we would do something about it. If it was some french canadian militant group lobbing rounds at Victoria from Washington State, they sure wouldn't be around long. We wouldn't be allowing them to bring weapons into Sea-Tac airport from France to rearm with a wink wink nod nod either. (sorry for the alternate reality example to any french canadians or french readers.)

I think I'm going to drop out of this conversation Bill, I've tried to be civil.. I haven't called anyone names. It's getting tough.

I believe I've explained my position on the issues pretty clearly and backed them up. I haven't seen but the same style accusatory questions I see in other threads from people that don't have an answer from you. Where you demand an answer to a question that is meaningless. The "Do I know why the Hezbollah kidnapped the soldiers?" was a good example. They stated why, not that anyone can prove that the answer given is the real intent. It was stated that they wanted to force a prisoner exchange... but maybe they wanted to divert attention from Iran. Maybe the soldiers aren't even alive, sawing people's heads off seems to be all the rage with these types of groups. I can't possibly know the truth, I doubt those who did it really know the truth.

Well its official now. Im sure Bill is a recruiter for hezbolla. Has to be because he has the same ignorant ideas they do.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: And your pointing out how wrong the actions seem to by sympathetic to the Israelies... which is why I voice an opinion to the contrary. Again you cant BALANCE the story. You choose a side and bastardize the other side without any regard just because the news says so. You fail to understand that this has been going on since human like single celled amoebas crawled from the primordial soup! Let me ask you the same question I asked Scott. How does your support of Israel affect your daily life? I know how it affects mine. Your support of israel and lack of any shread of empathy, your lack of understanding of arab culture and your arrogance of it enrages arabs everywhere.

I'm not point out wrong actions, because I really don't believe Israel is in the wrong. I'm not sure what you mean by BALANCE the story. I have a pretty good understanding of the Arab side of the story, especially with Lebanon, from my Lebanese friend. Even he thinks Israel needs to kick Hezzbollah's butt.

I'm not choosing a side, and I recognize this has been going on for thousands of years. What I do recognize, and what you seem to refuse to notice, is that the conflict in recent memory has typically (not always, but typically) been Arab groups (Hamas, Hezzbollah, etc.) attack Israel and Israel responds. Arabs attack, and Israel responds. Arabs attack and Israel responds. Israel began responding with more and more force in an effort to cut down on the violence. It apparently didn't work. Israel pulled out of Gaza and all you mention is "well, not all the way" so I guess that nullifies the rest of the withdrawal?

Do I support Israel? Not really. I think we need to stay out of this conflict. With our involvement in Iraq and trying to become allies with Iraq, this puts us in a situation where we don't need to be taking sides. It's a lose-lose situation and we need to stay out of it.

How does my support of Israel affect my daily life? It doesn't. See above.

Just because I understand why Israel has responded like they have you immediatly assume I'm cheering them on and have no idea about Arabs or the Arab world. That is your lack of understanding and arrogance, not mine.

You say we need to stay out of this and that you don't care what happens over there, yet for someone who doesn't care, you sure do talk about it a lot.
I respect your opinoins Bill, but when you disagree with someone, you attribute to them all the things you disagree with - whether or not they've expressed a position. You disagree with me about Israel and Lebanon, so you automatically assume that makes me pro-Israel, anti-Arab and someone who has no understanding of anything Arab. The irony is, we don't really disagree about the points that affect us. I agree we should stay out of it. But because I can understand Israel's actions, you immediatly categorize me as "them" instead of "us" and start making all kinds of assumptions about what I believe and support and know.

Here you're unwilling or unable to understand a single person, all the while condeming me for not understanding an entire race.

That's arrogance, Bill. Arrogance and ignorance. People and issues aren't that simple, and oversimplification and dismissing of a person or a people is also a part of the reason why this conflict has gone on for so many years.

quote Originally posted by Scott-Wa: Bill, youstirke me an isolationist version of Toddster.

I'm not sure I even want to be that closely linked to Bill. It's bad enough that we share the same genetic construction. This world has not room for bigots. Regardless of one's political persuasions or religious affiliations, I unite with anyone and everyone against rascism.

Bill, you are a rascist. And what's worse is that you haven't even got guts enough to say so and stand by your convictions, as loathsome as they are. I have to admit, Stiffler may be a near total loser but I have more respect for him than for you because at least he stands up to be counted where his beleifs are concerned and doesn't try to pass himself off as being something he is not.

I feel greasy just addressing you Bill.

quote Originally posted by Scott-Wa: Well Stiffler couldn't stop himself again... Thanks for outting yourself. Bill, youstirke me an isolationist version of Toddster. Doesn't matter what the facts are, if someone doesn't agree with your viewpoint they are an idiot and the enemy.

Well the feeling is very mutual.

quote I don't hate Arabs. Jews don't all hate Arabs. What they hate is having people who with pretty much over the last 40 years or so happen to come into their homes, businesses, onto their public transportation for the intent of killing them. There are Israeli citizens that are Arabs. There are Arabs outside Israel that support the idea of peace with Israel. But, the militant/terrorist factions will kill those Arabs, be they Islamic or Christian just as fast as they will kill a Jew.

And my beef is when you continue to support Israel you are paving the way of hatred right to my doorstep. When I bring up that very obvious fact you cry foul and accuse me of being "Hezbollah Bill" (no you didn't say that but you do imply it in almost every post) when the fact is I am nothing of the sort.

quote I feel sorry for the Palestinians that want peace, that want to have productive lives, but have had the Arab league decide that their role is to die for a cause. Same goes for the Lebonese, a country where it's the ones fighting to consolidate Arab/Islamic power in the region have caused strife for everyone for decades. Israel didn't start the civil war there, the islamic arabs killing the christian arabs did that. Israel didn't put the PLO there or Hezbollah... Syria, Jordan and Egypt fostered the PLO and Iran fostered the Hezbollah. Part of that strategy our right wingers have... better to fight the fight on someone elses soil.

I have no feeling either way because it's not my concern, it not my country and I could care less. Call me an isolationist if you want but in being such I do not have to live with ASS HOLE LAWS like the patriot act that violate my civil liberties and right to privacy OR people wanting to fly airplane into the skyline of New York or any other cities in the US.

quote The US isn't involved in this conflict beyond having supplied some of Israels weapons... and we sell weapons to just about anyone with the funds to buy them. If that is your problem, we should not be supplying weapons to Arab countries either... like the $6 BILLION dollars worth just authorized to Saudi Arabia. But if we don't sell them they sure aren't going to go without... they will just buy or build them elsewhere. We paid money a while back to stop Israel from entering the aircraft market with their own bomber. Some of those 155 rounds being fired are being fired out of US made howitzers but the rounds are made in Israel.

Bullshit
We may as well be the one pulling the trigger and ONCE AGAIN you refuse to see what the (much hated arab) has been saying for the last 40 years.

quote I didn't say Israel doesn't do anything wrong. Israel is a country, countries are made up of people, some of whom do bad things. I'm not excusing that, but Israel also goes after those amongst themselves that do bad things.

Then why defend them as if they are shining examples to the arab world?

quote A little history lesson that relates to Lebanon. What the PLO did in Jordan that got them kicked out by force there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_in_Jordan They, like their successors Hamas and Hezbollah attack anyone that doesn't support them including their own. Hezbollah has been running around in Lebanon like the PLO were in Jordan and afterwards in Lebanon (part of the Cairo Accord). When the country won't clean house, it becomes liable. If there was a group here insideUS firing setting up check points, kidnapping people, firing rockets into a neighboring country... we would do something about it. If it was some french canadian militant group lobbing rounds at Victoria from Washington State, they sure wouldn't be around long. We wouldn't be allowing them to bring weapons into Sea-Tac airport from France to rearm with a wink wink nod nod either. (sorry for the alternate reality example to any french canadians or french readers.)

Yay!
So what is YOUR issue with Hezbollah? They arent attacking you they are attacking some other country. If you were to distance yourself from that country then maybe the arab man (which you hate so much) wont be hating on you as much.

quote I think I'm going to drop out of this conversation Bill, I've tried to be civil.. I haven't called anyone names. It's getting tough.

Yeah, it gets fristrating when you know you have covered the same ground more than once. The thing is my opinions arent of a personal nature TO ME but instead are developed from listening objectively to both sides and finding the common grounds that exist somewhere between the two. My frustration is that not one single person on this forum has come farward and even remotely attempted to do what I have done. I surely wont go away or change my tune for anyone even though I stand alone.

quote I believe I've explained my position on the issues pretty clearly and backed them up. I haven't seen but the same style accusatory questions I see in other threads from people that don't have an answer from you.

And I believe I have stated mine and clearly backed them up as well. I also have seen the same "you avoided the answer to my question" bullshit. The reason is, I'm not saying what you want to hear. Too bad so sad, go to the back of the line and try again. I'm not the mindless follower you want me to be and no matter how much you try to pigeon hole me I will not be pigeon holed. Simple as that, end of story. Buh bye.

quote Where you demand an answer to a question that is meaningless. The "Do I know why the Hezbollah kidnapped the soldiers?" was a good example. They stated why, not that anyone can prove that the answer given is the real intent. It was stated that they wanted to force a prisoner exchange... but maybe they wanted to divert attention from Iran. Maybe the soldiers aren't even alive, sawing people's heads off seems to be all the rage with these types of groups. I can't possibly know the truth, I doubt those who did it really know the truth.

Whatever the reason was, neither of us will truely know. Even if given the answer directly from the horses mouth you and others would still find some way to refute as a lie because of your hatred and distrust of the arab freedom fighter... terrorist... sand ****** .. or whaterver else you call those you and others hate so very very much.

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I can't believe you guys are actually trying to have a factual debate, and trying to reason with, 84Bill. I decided long ago that it was a colossal waste of time, so good luck with that.

Yeah, like the only thing you are capable of is pussing out in some dark a corner occasionaly appearing just long enough to throw out some toll like remark before slithering back into the shadows. Atleast ReTardster the idiot he is make the attempt.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: I can't believe you guys are actually trying to have a factual debate, and trying to reason with, 84Bill. I decided long ago that it was a colossal waste of time, so good luck with that.

I now ex[ect bill to post pics of Israel firing on ambulances carrying poor innocent civilians......

MSNBC is now reporting that Israeli Intellegence has pictures showing hezbolla members transporting rockets in ambulances. Next they will be hauling them in school buses........

Don't forget the baby milk factories. They're next. But you'll be able to spot them on CNN, because all of the peaceful Arab workers wear white lab coats that read "Baby Milk Factory" in English.

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: I now ex[ect bill to post pics of Israel firing on ambulances carrying poor innocent civilians...... MSNBC is now reporting that Israeli Intellegence has pictures showing hezbolla members transporting rockets in ambulances. Next they will be hauling them in school buses........

Actually, CNN, of all news networks, were laughing about the same thing. They had one of their correspondants over in Lebanon filming the staging of their ambulances in a flurry of rescue action. The arabs had a bunch of ambulances lined up, with all the arab tv crews nearby, and organized them all to drive by with sirens blaring making it look like they were busy out saving all the civilians massacred bvy the evil Zionists. Funny thing is, the CNN guy sawa them do two takes of the shot, the line of ambulances roaring around the block, and then lining up for a second action filled shot.

I wouldn't trust anything these primitive screwheads say.

Bill, if you want to play with me, you have to answer the questions as they've been asked. No bullshit tirades about whatever other points you happen to be arguing with other people. Your unwillingness to answer the specific questions I've asked tells me only that you can't, so you're changing the subject. If you want real feedback, provide real feedback.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Yeah, like the only thing you are capable of is pussing out in some dark a corner occasionaly appearing just long enough to throw out some toll like remark before slithering back into the shadows. Atleast ReTardster the idiot he is make the attempt.

Keep your bullshit to yourself, Bill. Oh, wait, you can't, as evidenced by the last 5 pages of your spew in this thread.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Actually I am not Jewish. But you are too ignorant to think that anyone could treat Jews fairly except other Jews. No shut up before you get yourself into trouble. Thank God you are Canadian. I'd hate to think you were American.

Thank you come again.. Your putrid ways dont bother me at all. All said and done its people like you that argue about 6 million in the holcaust every day of there lives and ignore the much worse areas in which europes breadbasket was robbed of 7 million ukrainians. Yet again an example of who runs ZION. Or did they not teach you that in mass amounts in your history books? the popularity of 6 million dieing in the holocaust is no comparison to the 7 million ukrainians.

Is this what you're talking about Stiffler?

http://www.infoukes.com/history/ww2/page-19.html

Or this? http://www.infoukes.com/history/ww2/page-25.html

I guess we could bring up how Poland lost a higher percentage of it's population lost in WWII as well and then was cut loose by the western powers and left to the Soviets.

Still not sure what this has to do with your argument. Now if the Ukraine or Poland were suddenly free countries and being attacked on 3 sides weekly by Soviet fanatics (hypothetical) I'm sure we'd be just as annoyed.
Thing is/was they were satellite states until about 15 yrs ago and since then have been allowed to progress freely without random attacks of gypsies trying to reclaim their land.

quote Originally posted by Sourmug: STIFFLER: Your antisemitic view point has been previously established: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/040171.html My question is "What did the Jews do to you to gain your enmity?"

Still waiting for your response....

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Hey guy war is an ugly thing, atleast that what some say. Makes for a great excuse.

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: I now ex[ect bill to post pics of Israel firing on ambulances carrying poor innocent civilians...... MSNBC is now reporting that Israeli Intellegence has pictures showing hezbolla members transporting rockets in ambulances. Next they will be hauling them in school buses........

I assume you are refering to this?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1828142,00.html
Red Cross ambulances destroyed in Israeli air strike on rescue mission

· Volunteer paramedics demand UN guarantees
· Flags and lights prove no protection for aid teams

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Troll on... trollll on..

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Keep your bullshit to yourself, Bill. Oh, wait, you can't, as evidenced by the last 5 pages of your spew in this thread.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill : Troll on... trollll on..

"pot, calling kettle, come in kettle"

Sorry bear I'm no kettle. Unlike you I don't enter threads with cute one liners that act as masked slams on anothers character then slither off.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: "pot, calling kettle, come in kettle"

Just saw this on Fark....

Hezbollah says Israeli response a surprise

"BEIRUT, Lebanon - A senior Hezbollah official said Tuesday the guerrillas did not expect
Israel to react so strongly to its capture of two Israeli soldiers."
...
"The truth is — let me say this clearly — we didn't even expect (this) response ... that (Israel) would exploit this operation for this big war against us," said Komati.

He said Hezbollah had expected "the usual, limited response" from Israel."

I liked the Fark headline better: Senior Hezbollah official's reaction to Israel's unexpected response to kidnappings: "D'oh"

This makes me think Israel is doing EXACTLY the right thing. Make them realize that when you take action against them, they will respond with overwhelming force. None of this slap fight crap - trading blows back and forth like kids in a playground. If you spat a spitball at a kid at school and he responded by breaking both your arms and your jaw - you just might think twice about hitting him with another spitball.

Yes, the potential for escalation in the future is there, but given that Israel has nukes and a presumed willingness to use them, much escalation will only bring mutually assured destruction. Yes, it's the cold war MAD strategy again. But it did work. The methods they've been trying for the last 5000 years haven't worked.

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quote Originally posted by 84Bill: You are one of the reasons this country is falling apart.

Yeah, me and all my Jewish buddies just mess things up for everyone. The Thrid Reich would have been totally cool if it wasn't for us Jew lovin' bastards ruining the party.

quote Todd you are an ass hole of the highest order.

You know something Bill, from you, that is a high compliment.

quote Spoken like a pussy that compaires a sheepskin to a CIB and thinks they are equel.

Ah, so you are saying that all those people who have earned University degrees don't deserve your respect sice they are so easy to get? And that a CIB, something anyone who can pass a physical can get, is more deserving?

OK, I just want to know where you head it at. Personally, I give equal respect to both. The degree because it is harder to earn, the CIB, because it takes special character to earn....just to clarify, YOU have neither.

quote Ohhh... that really hurt.. please stop... please? You freakin idiot! What the hell make you think I need your convoluted seal of aproval?

if you don't, why are you so upset about not getting it?

quote Glad to make you feel so uncomfortable. Maybe you can become president and put all people like me in prison... you know make an example of me to scare anyone else who has ideas on opposing you and your march across this planet. Be really nice with no opposition from the fatherland. Wouldn't it? Ahh yes "Der Führer Todd"

Prison? no. A zoo perhaps, but only criminals go to prison. Although you did admit before that you do not think the laws of hte US apply to you so you most likely ARE a criminal.

Haha, the 'Führer' reference is particularly hypocritical. You're the one who wants the Jews to lose to the terrorists, remember?

The most remarkable thing about a great deal of this thread, is its similarity to the actual strife going on in the Middle East...two main protagonists, who REFUSE to accept anything the other says (and some of what is being said on BOTH sides is true), and the voices of sanity and reason, mainly totally ignored by the warring sides.If it wasn't so disasterously sad, it would be funny.They don't just hate what the other is saying... they just hate each other.Equally, neither situation will EVER be resolved,by opposing sides each trying to accomodate the other...just insults, belittlement, and derision.I tend to think that the two sides here would probably end up throwing punches at each other, if they were in the same proximity.
I am unable to take sides in the real war..because I don't trust the sources of my information AT ALL.90 % sensationalism, swinging first one way, and then the other.Using heartbreaking photographs and video, with such cynicism, will solve nothing, in my view.
I hope your sources are each more reliable, and nearer the truth, than mine. Then ,maybe, you might be justified in going at each other so unremittingly.
As a footnote, I am SICK of these Politicians acting like Celebrities, waving, smiling, eating sumptious food in expensive Hotels, wearing their expensive designer clothes...doesn't impress me one little bit. Workmanlike attire, serious attention to an incredibly serious situation...three hours of talks!! For God's sake, even Unions and Management inCommerce tend to spend endless days and nights without respite, trying to resolve their differences. THREE BLOODY HOURS!! Sack the lot of them, and replace them with people who are down to earth, courageous and dedicated, not a bunch of Political posers. Tony Blair is taking a lot of stick, but at least he has had the courage of his convictions to stick by his guns.
Nick

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Sorry bear I'm no kettle. Unlike you I don't enter threads with cute one liners that act as masked slams on anothers character then slither off.

I didn't just enter the thread. You had taken the thread past ridiculous already. I didn't feel like banging my head against the wall.

As long as you're showing pictures of children, we might as well even things out a bit...



The two differences I see here are that one is the unintended victim of a bomb vs the other who is made to become one by adults who are unwilling and/or cowardly to give their own lives for their warped cause. These are people who can only persuade a person who is either too young to understand their cause or can't disagree. Can anyone share with me the last time any other civilized society used children as bomb deployment devices? Either way, these radical Muslim groups are not the answer to creating a better life here on Earth.

Captured on video...

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Bill just seems to think that by supporting the right of Israel to defend itself, I'm somehow supporting attacks on the US. That because I support the right of Israel to defend itself and it's citizens, that I hate Arabs.

That if we all as a group say FU Israel and the Arabs somehow destroy it and eliminate the jews there... that those same Arabs aren't going to be gunning for a next target. It is a tactic used by some of their groups... same appeasement strategy used to Hitler's advantage... "just give us this country and everything will be ok!" But what you give them is never enough... those attacking Israel don't just want the jews out, they want world domination. But Israel is a thorn right in the middle of their sphere of influence. By their (and I mean those out to specifically destroy Israel... NOT all arabs... it's hard not to paint with a broad brush when your talking about large groups of people all of the same race that crosses nationalities) definition there is the Arab sphere and the sphere of war... everyone else.

http://acpr.org.il/ENGLISH-NATIV/08-issue/sharon-8.htm

Israel is just a slap in the face of Islam when you believe that once Islam... ALWAYS Islam. Same goes for Spain even today.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Whatever I've asked you many questions that have gone unanswered as well so get over it or better yet act your age and cry to Cliff or something.

Yes, you've asked me many questions that were entirely irrelevant to the conversatin I was trying to have with you. Further, you asked them after me, essentially changing the subject without answering my questions. I'll get to yours as soon as you get to mine. Play by the rules, or shut up and stop wasting my time.

BTW, I'm acting pretty well like a 22 year old. Why don't you start acting like a 40 something?

Fact #1 There holy book calls any nonmuslim is the same as a dog and they hate ALL NONMUSLIMS. Not just jews they are just closer. If the Kill all the jews who do you think would be next? They Hate anyone who isn't muslim and will do everything they can to kill all nonmuslims. Fact #2 fact #1 cant be changed! No amount of concetions short of mass suicide will satisfy them.They have the purest form of biggitry IE anyone who dosn't belive the way I do has no right to live. Please read the Coran if you don't belive me. They are desperate, dispicable, child murdering, sub-human, verman and a blight on the Earth. Now you know how I feel.
PS I don't hate anyone I do abhore their actions

“All that's necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing.” Edmund Burke

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Yeah, me and all my Jewish buddies just mess things up for everyone. The Thrid Reich would have been totally cool if it wasn't for us Jew lovin' bastards ruining the party.

Yeah, whatever.

quote quote Spoken like a pussy that compaires a sheepskin to a CIB and thinks they are equel. Ah, so you are saying that all those people who have earned University degrees don't deserve your respect sice they are so easy to get? And that a CIB, something anyone who can pass a physical can get, is more deserving?

A CIB is earned with one test and failure is not an option.

quote OK, I just want to know where you head it at. Personally, I give equal respect to both. The degree because it is harder to earn, the CIB, because it takes special character to earn....just to clarify, YOU have neither.

Is that a fact?

quote quote Glad to make you feel so uncomfortable. Maybe you can become president and put all people like me in prison... you know make an example of me to scare anyone else who has ideas on opposing you and your march across this planet. Be really nice with no opposition from the fatherland. Wouldn't it? Ahh yes "Der Führer Todd" Prison? no. A zoo perhaps, but only criminals go to prison. Although you did admit before that you do not think the laws of hte US apply to you so you most likely ARE a criminal. Haha, the 'Führer' reference is particularly hypocritical. You're the one who wants the Jews to lose to the terrorists, remember?

Prison, zoo, same difference Todd. Both are created for your ammusement.

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All the Lebanese people have to do is do like Jordan and kick Hezbolla out of their country. Im also pizzed that were now sending Lebanon millions of dollars in aid. Let them take care of themselves since they brought it on themselves by harbouring terrorists in the first place. How about we keep that money and send it to the people in Ms and La. instead.

"The understanding that I have for your support stops when it endangers the welfare of this nation AND when you authorize civilian casulties inflicted on Israelis by Arabs. It's really easy to sit waaaaaay back here in the realitive safety of America and shrugg your shoulders and say "oh well thats just too bad" when Arabs inflicts harm on innocent people. NO doubt if YOU were there on the recieving end of Hezbollahs indescriminent attacks on YOUR country YOUR tune would be very different. Thats all I'm saying."

Thanks for the format Bill...

So what is your solution? You've called everyone here names... that didn't solve anything. You've put words in our mouths and defined our viewpoints for us... that didn't solve anything.

You have blamed the US for supplying arms to Israel, but not for supplying arms to the Arab nations. You haven't blamed anyone else for supplying arms to either side.

You don't care but you seem to care a LOT. You keep saying we don't understand why the Arabs hate us and the Israelis... yet you fail to explain that and why it's ok for them to infiltrate a neighboring country and attack it's people on a continuous basis. It's just wrong for us to support a country defending itself because it might result in people disliking us also? You said (paraphrasing) that we never should have entered WW2... even though we were attacked. even though we had treaties with the allies, even though you could clearly see that there was no end to the plans of the Third Reich for world domination... they just wanted to do it a piece at a time, like those groups in the Arab countries. Just bite off the bit of the battle you think you can win and ask everyone else to stay out like your suggesting. So if we do that and the Islamic radicals conquer Israel and then go after Spain, and then the rest of Europe etc... gathering up resources and manpower as they go, do you think they are just going to leave us alone because we said screw Israel?

As I twisted your quote 180 above... you don't seem to get that. There is a country TRYING to live in peace with it's neighbors but the neighbors won't stand for that and constantly attack it. You've ignored every example I've given for equivalent situations here... why is that? You continue to ignore the basic fact that Israel is the ONLY one in the conflict that has ever made any concessions for peace. They have given back 1000's of prisoners for a few, they have given up land, allowed an enemy country to be formed in that land, what the hell can they do to get peace? Try answering that...

And I DO support Israel's right to exist. There needs to be A place where these people can say 'never again' and defend themselves without the government of a country they live in attempting to kill them or push them out.

Your zionist jew friend...

Scott

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: I'm also pizzed that were now sending Lebanon millions of dollars in aid. Let them take care of themselves since they brought it on themselves by harbouring terrorists in the first place. How about we keep that money and send it to the people in Ms and La. instead.

You're going to love this then: "

"Arab Americans sue US Government for descrimination"

http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/aadc/aaadcrice72406cmp.pdf

Apparently they think George Bush hasn't done enough to help the Arabs during this conflict and a number of individuals are suiing the government.

[This message has been edited by loafer87gt (edited 07-26-2006).]

Guys take a deep breath, step back and realize something. Be glad this is the U.S. Be glad you can be on a computer. As much as you're getting worked up, imagine that if you were to be argueing this over in the ME one or several of you would be dead by now. Thats all


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