The Arabs don't hate us just because we support Israel. They hate us because we need their oil and because we're not a Muslim nation. So, until we help them destroy Israel, abandon everything that uses oil, and convert to Islam, we aren't getting anywhere.
They hate us because we sell everyone in the middle east weapons and GIVE Isreal weapons and nuclear technology and billion dollar loans. The CIA, western corporations, Commerce Dept etc has been meddling in Middle Eastern affairs for over 50 yrs. If you did your research you would know that Israel has serious influence in and around our govt. These wars need the common sense to know that both sides have been at it for thousands of years. Both sides have killed & mamed and humiliated eachother since the dawn of mankind. One now has the upper hand in technology and money & weapons. The other will fight w/ whatever it can get its hands on.
For that reason the ratio is always 20 kills for Israel and 1 kill for Palestine. Israel must to stop killing Palestinians and kidnapping elected officials. They went in & kidnapped several Hamas officials which sparked this recent crisis. Of course, the media here skewed the reality to suit its owners and this govt's agenda.
I cant stand the fact that Paul Wolfowitz put us in Iraq- authored PNAC and now heads the World Bank. You ****ing idiots. Wake up.
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Originally posted by G-Nasty: ...Israel must to stop killing Palestinians and kidnapping elected officials. They went in & kidnapped several Hamas officials which sparked this recent crisis...
No link but I'll second that. Israel did in fact arrest the criminal terrorist leaders of the occupied lands of Jordan.
But I can see where you vwould take his words with a grain of salt. The great jew conspiracy, they run not only our media but have tremendus sway over our gov.
Raydar you are incorrect. Israel went into Lebanon after they kidnapped two soldier who were on Israel soil, which is what started the conflict with Lebanon. Israel also secured the leadership of the terrorist organization that kidnapped the soldiers, good job there and smart move.
So now you advocate that Israel should put down their weapons and retreat, why is that? Do you really think that if they do that the indiscriminate bombing of Israel will stop, not likely? Read your recent regional history to prove my point. The facts are there, you just have to read them and apply a little common sense. Israel has the strategy "you take a little, I take a lot” this is the only way to try and curb the fundamentalist in all the surrounding countries.
Also, there is no reason to use expletives and call people idiots, it doesn't boad well with trying to prove your point.
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Raydar you are incorrect. Israel went into Lebanon after they kidnapped two soldier who were on Israel soil, which is what started the conflict with Lebanon. Israel also secured the leadership of the terrorist organization that kidnapped the soldiers, good job there and smart move.
So now you advocate that Israel should put down their weapons and retreat, why is that? Do you really think that if they do that the indiscriminate bombing of Israel will stop, not likely? Read your recent regional history to prove my point. The facts are there, you just have to read them and apply a little common sense. Israel has the strategy "you take a little, I take a lot” this is the only way to try and curb the fundamentalist in all the surrounding countries.
Also, there is no reason to use expletives and call people idiots, it doesn't boad well with trying to prove your point.
Ummm... WHAT?!
I pretty much agree with your entire post. I think you have me confused with someone else. Perhaps G-Nasty?
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While my harshness may be misconstrued as racism I can assure you that I really don't care about anyone and I surely don't "hate." Even if by some remote possibility I did "hate" it would be everyone equally.
84Bill is for equality. He's an equal opportunity bigot - he hates everyone just the same!
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Originally posted by 84Bill: It will then open the door for an invasion of Iran and the snuffing out of their nuclear program AND bring them under UN contract which the United States will no doubt be all too happy to enforce. The US then nabs control of another very rich oil field and another arab nation. The bottom line "more control."
Works for me. That would be one less Muslim-extremist-run shithole to worry about.
Originally posted by Scott-Wa: BS... they bought and paid for their land with their own money, then the arabs wanted it back and them dead.
I'm not even going to attempt to read and respond to that entire novel. Instead I'll "focus" on what I said and you quoted.
BULLSHIT The Jewish people were handed a chunk of sand that did not belong to them after WWII by the US and "UN" which when you look at the history of the US governments mistreatment of the native Americans is a typical MO. Take from these people and give to those people and kill anyone who gets in the way. The US GAVE the Jewish people the land through the UN and SOLD them surplus WWII hardware at VERY discount rates because it's economical to sell them than it is to dump them into the atlantic. NATO was formed to allow the US to sell its surplus hardware because the US constitution does not permit the sale of US defence hardware to just anyone. So again the Jewish people were given a disproportionate advantage over the indigenous people in order to enforce its claim to the land it was HANDED. The problem is those indiginous people are just a bit more fanatical than the native Americans were and eventually have found a way to (for the most part) unite against an enemy that stole their turff and try to get it back. That enemy is the US government.. IE "We The People."
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Originally posted by Scott-Wa: Hmm... Saudi Arabia already did and we diverted the attention to Iraq. Osama is Saudi, most of the hijackers on 9-11 were Saudi. But... they have the money and the oil and while their citizens are funding the terrorists and are the terrorists the royal family is barely keeping the country from going into a civil war with the Islamic extremists taking over control. Helps when the royal family is in business with our president and they are family friends.
See the pattern yet? Friendly puppet governments of the US suppressing the indigenous people in order to CONTROL them and take what it needs whenever it needs it. What do you think will happen when the money to Saudi Arabia stops flowing?
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Originally posted by Scott-Wa: I wonder if the arab tactic of sending their finest kids off to die is partly to blame for the leadership. Blind clerics and diabetic leaders telling the healthy to go die for Allah... I'd do it but I can't see or need a dialisys treatment. Guess I should finish that thought... generations of the invalids sending the healthy off to die doesn't improve the genepool.
Uhhhh.. huhh. I totally agree. It's alot like sending a bunch of armed men to a distant land and ordering them to make "friends." It aint happenin man.
Any moran with half a brain knows that the function of an army is to kill the enemy, take over land and supress OR incite rebellion against the "powers that be."
People like Ayatollah Khomeini, Fidel Castro and... Oh my GOD!... Noooo!!!! George Washington? Say it isn't so Scott! Please say it's just a dream.
All these "rebels" formed an ARMY and became the leaders of their respective countries. So what makes you believe those "inferior clerics" and presidents are any different? George Bush has you believeing that we can beat a military tactic.. "terrorism" I mean WOW. How stupid does he think I am anyway?
You can believe what you want to believe but I believe they just want their land back and have the US out of their lives. I cant say I disagree with their attitude because I want the US government OUT of my life too. I want to live my life the way I WANT TO and not they way you or anyone else "tells" me to. I want to be "free" to live the way I wan't. It's not alot to ask but apparently some feel I shouldn't be allowed to.
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Originally posted by moleman_in_a_FieroGT: The Arabs don't hate us just because we support Israel. They hate us because we need their oil and because we're not a Muslim nation. So, until we help them destroy Israel, abandon everything that uses oil, and convert to Islam, we aren't getting anywhere.
Originally posted by Grim001: 84Bill, you must be trying to stir up the debate. Your post lately makes no sense and are provoking at best.
Even bad publicity is publicity. And yes, I'm trying to stirr debate because debate is much more preferable than taking a club to someones head which places me just slightly above Neanderthal Man. If you get past the primal instint of "fight or flight" you be left standing there with "thoughts" which will lead to an attempt to "understand" and gain "knowledge" which are all processes of a rational thinking brain.
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Israel isn't bombing civilians directly. They bomb areas that have rockets shooting at them. If the Arabs put rockets in civilian areas than yes they will bomb there, makes sense doesn't it?? They are also bombing key infrastructure, such as the airport. If you have read any news you would know they did this to prevent the kidnapped soldier form being taken abroad same with the roads, again makes good sense.
Only if the rockets are there. Like I stated above the airport was a CIVILIAN TARGET Roads are CIVILIAN TARGETS. A rocket is a long thing with a warhead on it.
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AND if you recall Israel didn't attack Lebanon until they crossed into Israel territory killed several soldiers and then kidnapped two of them, umm, what would we do if someone did that to us. Clue in dude.
Uh hum... and apparently you missed the post where I said the US has gone into other countries and kidnapped some of their citizens and put them in jail. So uhhh... what makes you think the US wouldn't be the target of rocket attacks by those people? If it's OK for Israel to do it then you had better be prepaired to accept the same retribution. There is no double standard no matter HOW you try to rationalize it. "Whats good for the goose is good for the gander" ... remember that one? it's from like the 3rd grade.... dude. Oh and so is this one. "You can dish it out but you can't take it"... dude..
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And as for the Arabs attacking the US. Why do you think we declared war on terrorism. This is all set up to prevent further attack on US soil, a counter measure if you will. That includes making sure the other Arab nations know we are watching all fronts. We are putting a strangle hold on their ability to destroy US targets through terrorism. Has it been working, I'm sure we will never know the whole truth on that.
LOL!!! Hey George! We got another one!
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BS... they bought and paid for their land with their own money...
Got some authoritative cites for that?
My understanding is that while some of the land was legitimately purchased, much of it was taken by the government after the original occupants fled the war and occupation, then redistributed to Israelis afterward. IIRC, that's why Right of Return is such an issue, not only because of the fair compensation that would need to be paid but because of issues with non-Jews diluting the voting demographics.
I would prefer cites that are from neutral third parties, they would mean the most to me.
LOL Close. But seriously, I don't "hate" anyone. I may not like what they do or how they act but like I said to kloddster, "no body is perfect." I know I'm not perfect but I sure hope people don't "hate" me because of it. If they do, it's really not my problem anyway. :::: shruggs:::: I don't care what they think until they get up in my face, then "we" may have a problem.
But I've got to admit, I can go places that most folks poop their pants just thinking about. Not because I'm a hater but because I'm just me. Now my arm hurts.
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Originally posted by fierobear: Works for me. That would be one less Muslim-extremist-run shithole to worry about.
But that will add approxamatly 68,017,860 more enemies which is about what??? a 16th of the total population of about 784.5 Million Muslims.
Not too bad.. but then you have another 29,928,987 potentials in Afghanistan, 26,074,906 in Iraq and just about the same for Yemen.. Jordan isn't very happy with the US and neither is Lebanon and then there are some of the 26,400,00 Saudies.. The numbers are starting to get kinda big. But then not all of them are actively involved in fighting so we can widdel that down to say 10% of the total muslim population. The divide that into cells of maybe 100 or so.. then apply a tactic of "terrorism" where some kill themselves in the process but are essentially well camoflaged.. melting in with all those "non combatant" muslims and we are talking about a serious force to be reconed with.
The british found out how tough it is to project force against terrorism after 1776 and so did the US in Vietnam 200 years later. Terrorism is a military tactic and the soldiers or "terrorists" are very dificult to identify, isolate and eliminate when they look like the ordinary people.
Maybe we should tatoo everyone over there with an approved barcode to better identify the "friendlies."
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Originally posted by 84Bill: So you want to start casting dispersions about me personaly? Ok..
Okay Bill... That's at least two questions that I've addressed to you directly, in order to gauge where you're coming from. You've blown both of them off.
Just pick and choose the easy stuff. We understand.
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Not really wanting to enter this discussion, but if you're in a researching mood JazzMan, THIS might help get you started.
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Got some authoritative cites for that?
My understanding is that while some of the land was legitimately purchased, much of it was taken by the government after the original occupants fled the war and occupation, then redistributed to Israelis afterward. IIRC, that's why Right of Return is such an issue, not only because of the fair compensation that would need to be paid but because of issues with non-Jews diluting the voting demographics.
I would prefer cites that are from neutral third parties, they would mean the most to me.
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Like I stated above the airport was a CIVILIAN TARGET Roads are CIVILIAN TARGETS.
Infrastructure targets such as airports, roads, and bridges are viable military targets. They don't wear uniforms or have to be inside a miliatary base to be a military target.
If you were attempting to limit an enemy's ability to get aircraft in and out, would you take out a military airport and leave the civilian one alone? That would be pretty useless, wouldn't it? They'd just transfer operations to the other airport - you know, over those civilian roads that you don't want them to bomb.
I addressed your point. You don't see it. Horse... Water... Drink?
No?
Ok, no problem, pick and choose what you want.
But don't call me names because I responded to what I chose to respond to and I wont call you names for doing the same.
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Originally posted by Raydar: Okay Bill... That's at least two questions that I've addressed to you directly, in order to gauge where you're coming from. You've blown both of them off.
Just pick and choose the easy stuff. We understand.
If you want me to answer this question
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Who are you pointing the finget at, as having started the ****fest? The US or Israel?
Then play nice. Oh and I don't appriciate you asking me an obviously self answering question like above. I find it insulting.
I said, in essance that it was CONVIENIENT for this war to start in order to draw Iran into the mix thereby paving the way for an eventual invasion of Iran, UN mandates (much like those imposed on Iraq after GW1) and eventual enfocement and occupation by the US (and a few of it's minor underlings) for CONTROL of the entire region.
Gee Raydar... now who do you suppose would want that to happen?
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Ok. whatever. The civilians of Lebanon are all targets by that definition. They arent wearing uniforms and they arent on a base but they are still targets because it will sway the government into complience due to mass suffering of the people. Many of which have NOTHING to do with hamas ot hebullsita or whatever Israel and apparenty you think.
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Originally posted by Formula88: Infrastructure targets such as airports, roads, and bridges are viable military targets. They don't wear uniforms or have to be inside a miliatary base to be a military target.
If you were attempting to limit an enemy's ability to get aircraft in and out, would you take out a military airport and leave the civilian one alone? That would be pretty useless, wouldn't it? They'd just transfer operations to the other airport - you know, over those civilian roads that you don't want them to bomb.
First thing is the property wasn't "bought" from the people you got the house from. The house was "abandoned" by fleeing refugees, and seized by the occupying forces after a period of time THEN sold to you by the people who seized it... Not by the person or persons who abandoned it as a result of war and are still the rightful owners of it.
As far as the rest of the guys crap... it's mostly true, there was so much fighting going on that nobody was paying attention to what was happening until it was "too late." But then again, some say it's never too late and those people are usually the ones who appear from nowhere and make a "perposteous claim" then attempt to take back what is theirs.. sometimes by force. All of the sudden there is a war going on and people start dieing.
Personaly I don't give a rats ass who owns what and where because it aint America. Here we have a problem of mega corps and government municipalities with the backing of the supreme court kicking people (the citizens) out of their (rightfuly OWNED) "blighted homes" so a contractor can build a 300 million dollar resort (carefuly modulated radio tone) "with the ease and convience of a nearby wal-mart".... RIGHT HERE IN AMERICA!
Anyone give a sheit about that??? Anyone? Hello? Well **** those beanie wearing Israelies!! Oh ... now I got your attention..
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"I bought the house I'm living in and paid for it. I've improved it. Now what should I do if the people I bought it from would ask me to just give it back? "
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Ok. whatever. The civilians of Lebanon are all targets by that definition. They arent wearing uniforms and they arent on a base but they are still targets because it will sway the government into complience due to mass suffering of the people. Many of which have NOTHING to do with hamas ot hebullsita or whatever Israel and apparenty you think.
Whatever, Bill. To me it looks like they're trying to prosecute this war in a responsbile fashion, but yes when you have gurellias hiding in civilian centers you're going to have civilian casualties.
A friend of mine is Lebanese, and he just left Lebanon a few days before hostilities began. Even he says Israel is doing the right thing. I know that won't change your opinion, but not everyone believes as you do.
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Not really wanting to enter this discussion, but if you're in a researching mood JazzMan, THIS might help get you started.
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Interesting link, as most it seems to have bias... the wily jews... that sort of thing. Like it is a bad thing for people to buy land to settle on. The US has huge areas owned by foriegners, not even people living here, Look at ownership records for most of NY city and Hawaii. In the Zionists case they were purchasing land to live on, to work, to create a legacy. The poor Arabs apparently kept getting hoodwinked by those crafty jews into selling their land at rates way over market value with ridiculously high interest rates, but in hindsite they were being taken advantage of... jeeez. Can't be having people of different faiths immigrating legally, working hard, buying property and flourishing, it's just unfair! The jews are blamed for having created jobs for the displaced arabs that paid better than substinance farming... those bastards! So the answer is they should give it all back and die. Then what? Will the plight of the palestinians improve? Not! Syria would probably invade as they have in the past with Lebanon and occupy.
Maybe the stereotype of Jews being smarter is correct, they get educated and use that education to improve their situation rather than looking for scapegoats to blame for their problems.
Just as I know when I hear a Lebanese man saying that Israel is doing something wrong and that it wont change your mind either.
But what will?
Will an Iraqi man flying a plane into a sky scraper chage your mind? How about Saudi national turned rogue? Or a Yemenese man in a tug boat headed out into the harbor to help a US Friggate?
Any of these people going to change your mind? I somehow doubt it will do anything other than blind you with rage against those you have little understanding of or will scaresly give a second thought to other than squeze a trigger and unleash death.
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Originally posted by Formula88: Whatever, Bill. To me it looks like they're trying to prosecute this war in a responsbile fashion, but yes when you have gurellias hiding in civilian centers you're going to have civilian casualties.
A friend of mine is Lebanese, and he just left Lebanon a few days before hostilities began. Even he says Israel is doing the right thing. I know that won't change your opinion, but not everyone believes as you do.
And what do you do when you are surrounded? Throw out as many words as you can possibly spew in the desparate hope that everyone will forget your blabbering.
Originally posted by Toddster: And what do you do when you are surrounded? Throw out as many words as you can possibly spew in the desparate hope that everyone will forget your blabbering.
Probably the same thing my great uncle said to the soldiers he was replacing in the Arden Forest.
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Bill and Phranc, time to shut up.
After you dickhead.
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Man that is getting to be a tiring expression.
Then how about a long stroll down a short peir followed by a soothing swim in a lake?
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Yes.. the savages now know as native Americans used to say, "Great white father speek with forked tongue."
Kinda makes ya wonder how much education in the form of first hand experience is required before one is handed a diploma... if one is handed a diploma.
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I didn't write that, Bill, I supplied a link as Jazzman requested. I expressed no opinion on the matter whatsoever. While your arguments are valid as to the problems we have here, they have no linkage with the problems going on over in the middle east.
I've always had a problem with people that say "It's not America so I don't care". Sorry, you should care. If you don't then there's a word to describe you...........selfish. You, Bill, are the epitome of the "ME ME ME ME" generation.
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First thing is the property wasn't "bought" from the people you got the house from. The house was "abandoned" by fleeing refugees, and seized by the occupying forces after a period of time THEN sold to you by the people who seized it... Not by the person or persons who abandoned it as a result of war and are still the rightful owners of it.
As far as the rest of the guys crap... it's mostly true, there was so much fighting going on that nobody was paying attention to what was happening until it was "too late." But then again, some say it's never too late and those people are usually the ones who appear from nowhere and make a "perposteous claim" then attempt to take back what is theirs.. sometimes by force. All of the sudden there is a war going on and people start dieing.
Personaly I don't give a rats ass who owns what and where because it aint America. Here we have a problem of mega corps and government municipalities with the backing of the supreme court kicking people (the citizens) out of their (rightfuly OWNED) "blighted homes" so a contractor can build a 300 million dollar resort (carefuly modulated radio tone) "with the ease and convience of a nearby wal-mart".... RIGHT HERE IN AMERICA!
Anyone give a sheit about that??? Anyone? Hello? Well **** those beanie wearing Israelies!! Oh ... now I got your attention..
Why should I? What did I say that deserves such ranker? Because I may see the world diffrently then you I sould give up my rights to speach and expresion? If you want to debate me go for. But don't stand on your high horse and talk down to me.
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I was aware of the bias, Scott, but it still seemed fairly accurate to me, based on other research, and was a source that I thought Jazzman might accept as third party and unbiased.
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Originally posted by Scott-Wa: Interesting link, as most it seems to have bias... the wily jews... that sort of thing. Like it is a bad thing for people to buy land to settle on. The US has huge areas owned by foriegners, not even people living here, Look at ownership records for most of NY city and Hawaii. .
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Why should I? What did I say that deserves such ranker? Because I may see the world diffrently then you I sould give up my rights to speach and expresion? If you want to debate me go for. But don't stand on your high horse and talk down to me.
You see it wrong. That is not what I have a problem with. If you had any brains at all the FIRST thing you would acknowlege is that you just might be in error. Every great thinker does. Einstein (a Jew, BTW) even acknowledged that he might not have got it right with his Theory of Relativity. Self doubt is what pushes us to probe deeper and deeper for truth.
Since you have no doubts about your theory of the Jews taking over the world, you are either a fool or a bigot. Which is it?
In either case, your opinion has no validity if you can't bring yourself to accept that you might be mistaken, misinformed, or blinded by hate.
I didn't write that, Bill, I supplied a link as Jazzman requested. I expressed no opinion on the matter whatsoever. While your arguments are valid as to the problems we have here, they have no linkage with the problems going on over in the middle east.
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I've always had a problem with people that say "It's not America so I don't care". Sorry, you should care. If you don't then there's a word to describe you...........selfish. You, Bill, are the epitome of the "ME ME ME ME" generation.
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Maybe I should.. but nope... I don't. I care more for America than I do for some shithole a half a world away that has ZERO impact on my life except when airplanes come roaring out of the sky, crash into then alter my life for the worst. I DO care about that and as a consiquence I care about you too.
I know why it happened.. Our government supports israel.. I know it will continue to happen FOREVER because it has been going on since the dawn of MANKIND. I don't see the patriot act as a safeguard, I see it as an oppresion. I don't see how American can win the war on terro because terror is a tactic OF WAR.. a "HOLY WAR" between Muslims, Christians and Jews. I am NEITHER nor will I ever join any cause other than to secure my own freedom to choose how to live my life... WHICH the US government and every other dumbass in America wants to control or have a say about.
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Originally posted by 84Bill: Look if all you want to do is criticize me and what I say without making any kind of input to this thread then I'm going to rate you a troll. Fair warning. Ok?
<Sigh> I hate doing this, if for no other reason than it will probably bore everybody to tears. But here goes.
I posted...
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Originally posted by Raydar: If everyone here were armed (assuming most of us are not already) and we were all prepared to challenge a common enemy, would that make us a militant society? And would that be a bad thing?
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Originally posted by 84Bill: Well..... I suppose that would depend on a few factors.
Yeah? For instance? Would that make us a militant society? And would that be a bad thing?
Then, you said...
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Originally posted by 84Bill: I believe this who **** fest has started out of a matter of convienience to draw out Iran.. or rather get the "Iranians" involved .
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Originally posted by Raydar: Who are you pointing the finget at, as having started the ****fest? The US or Israel? Either way, you're delusional.
It is a valid question. The "delusional" (kind of like "a product of your imagination") comment is based upon the premise that you actually believe that either of those entities started this. I stand by it.
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Originally posted by 84Bill: Yeah.. Must be why Saudi Arabia, Quait and a host of other oil producing Arab nations are about to attack the US.
This statement is just completely incorrect. This was my response...
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Originally posted by Raydar: Hunnnh? All of those countries (you know... the moderate ones) came out against Hezbollah, a couple of days ago. Of course it's common knowledge that Osama was Saudi. He was also expelled from the country, and does not speak for them.
You didn't address this at all.
So if I get a little tired of you ducking my questions and comments because answering them would be counterproductive to your ranting, and I get a little sarcastic, that makes me a troll?!
You don't want a conversation. You just want to rant and rail against "the man". It's what you do best. You seem to consistently be on the side of whoever is against the US or Israel. Just because. I think you should go and join them. You belong there.
"Hezbollah Bill" kind of has a nice ring to it. Don't you think?
Of course, while I was typing this, you brought forth these words of wisdom...
<Sigh> I hate doing this, if for no other reason than it will probably bore everybody to tears. But here goes.
I posted... quote Originally posted by Raydar: If everyone here were armed (assuming most of us are not already) and we were all prepared to challenge a common enemy, would that make us a militant society? And would that be a bad thing?
You responded... quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Well..... I suppose that would depend on a few factors.
Yeah? For instance? Would that make us a militant society? And would that be a bad thing?
Then, you said...
WOAH!!! STOP RIGHT THERE!
THIS (the quote below) had nothing at all to do with the above conversation AT ALL. I don't know how you made that connection but unless I quote you directly in REPLY then what is said is out of contect from the original conversation.
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quote Originally posted by 84Bill: I believe this who **** fest has started out of a matter of convienience to draw out Iran.. or rather get the "Iranians" involved .
And I replied... quote Originally posted by Raydar: Who are you pointing the finget at, as having started the ****fest? The US or Israel? Either way, you're delusional.
You answered you own effing question!!
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It is a valid question. The "delusional" (kind of like "a product of your imagination") comment is based upon the premise that you actually believe that either of those entities started this. I stand by it.
An you are a god damn effing retard for playing connect the dot by going from number 3 to number 7. Narurally you are going to end up with an effed up picture... Jesus Christ man!
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quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Yeah.. Must be why Saudi Arabia, Quait and a host of other oil producing Arab nations are about to attack the US.
This statement is just completely incorrect. This was my response... quote Originally posted by Raydar: Hunnnh? All of those countries (you know... the moderate ones) came out against Hezbollah, a couple of days ago. Of course it's common knowledge that Osama was Saudi. He was also expelled from the country, and does not speak for them.
Hello????
Read my reply to Scott.
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Originally posted by Scott-Wa: Hmm... Saudi Arabia already did and we diverted the attention to Iraq. Osama is Saudi, most of the hijackers on 9-11 were Saudi. But... they have the money and the oil and while their citizens are funding the terrorists and are the terrorists the royal family is barely keeping the country from going into a civil war with the Islamic extremists taking over control. Helps when the royal family is in business with our president and they are family friends.
[quote by me See the pattern yet? Friendly puppet governments of the US suppressing the indigenous people in order to CONTROL them and take what it needs whenever it needs it. What do you think will happen when the money to Saudi Arabia stops flowing? [/quote]
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You didn't address this at all.
You are absolutly right.. I didn't answer YOU directly.. So go cry in a freakin corner.
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So if I get a little tired of you ducking my questions and comments because answering them would be counterproductive to your ranting, and I get a little sarcastic, that makes me a troll?!
Good.. now go away.. Whats the problem? '
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You don't want a conversation. You just want to rant and rail against "the man". It's what you do best. You seem to consistently be on the side of whoever is against the US or Israel. Just because. I think you should go and join them. You belong there.
NO I'm not on the same side.. We.. and I use "we" very carefuly. Just so happen to share the same enemy but I DO NOT agree with their tactics.
Any other questions.,.. feel free to ask away.
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"Hezbollah Bill" kind of has a nice ring to it. Don't you think?
**** YOU ASS HOLE!
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Of course, while I was typing this, you brought forth these words of wisdom... quote Originally posted by 84Bill: After you dickhead.
Oh so you are joining forces with ReTardster? Raytard and ReTardster.. what a great couple you two make.
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And I'm the troll? I think not.
Looks like sheit... smells like sheit.. tastes like sheit.. Must be sheit.. Ya dumbass.
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Raydar Member
Posts: 41438 From: Carrollton GA. Out in the... country. Registered: Oct 1999
Though I fully expected this to happen sooner, I'm thinking this thread is headed to the trash can. It's gone well past conversation, didn't even slow down while passing debate. Went to name calling and personal attacks. What a liberating way to intellingently discuss a topic. Almost embarassing. No, I take that back, it is embarassing.
------------------ Ron Freedom isn't Free, it's paid for with the blood and dreams of those that have gone before us. My imagination is the only limiting factor to my Fiero. Well, there is that money issue.
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Ok. whatever. The civilians of Lebanon are all targets by that definition. They arent wearing uniforms and they arent on a base but they are still targets because it will sway the government into complience due to mass suffering of the people. Many of which have NOTHING to do with hamas ot hebullsita or whatever Israel and apparenty you think.
That includes Americans over there who, by being there, support Hezbollah just like all the other residents.
Now that's logical....
BTW, I'm not dissing you Bill, just shining the light on some of the logic I've seen from people here who still seem to think that killing civilians and children on purpose is justifiable.
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Posts: 20871 From: Roswell, Georgia Registered: May 2001
Originally posted by 84Bill: WOAH!!! STOP RIGHT THERE!
THIS (the quote below) had nothing at all to do with the above conversation AT ALL. I don't know how you made that connection but unless I quote you directly in REPLY then what is said is out of contect from the original conversation
Sorry. I was just trying to place them in accurate chronological order. I seriously didn't mean to imply that they were related. (Whether or not that even matters.) My bad. You still ducked the "militant society" thing. Which I was curious about. (Nevermind... Water under the bridge.)
Everything else you said is about what I expected. I'll be quiet now, in case this thread can be salvaged.
Please... carry on.
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I'm surrounded!
RIGHT HERE IN AMERICA! 
No, I take that back, it is embarassing.
