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Topic: I want to help out a member, I have an idea, and I need your help. PLEASE READ!!!
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katatak
Member Posts: 3857
From: El Paso, TX, USA
Registered: Apr 2008
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| | | quote | Originally posted by Gilder:
What is the difference between the two transmissions? What is the horsepower difference between the two engines? If their something that needs to be done with the car I can help out. Just let me know. |
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The original Fiero Auto is a TH125 and it's a 3 speed. They are not designed for much more horsepower than the stock 2.8 put's out. The 4t60 / 65 are 4 speed overdrive auto's that were found behind the 3800SC's and other later model GM front wheel drive cars. I can't tell you what the HP difference between the 2.8 and the 3.4DOHC.
Pat
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2.5fierose
Member Posts: 109
From: frazee, mn, united states
Registered: Dec 2007
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hey guys are sure the guys donating the tranny isnt the right one cause there some jr trannys or something like that you sure they dont have the right one------------------
1986 Fiero GT
Grand Am Brakes
Mr. Mike's Leather
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KEV
Member Posts: 2166
From: Green Isle, MN
Registered: Dec 2000
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Synthesis
Member Posts: 7749
From: Inver Grove Heights, MN
Registered: Feb 2002
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Well, I spoke with Stuart today. I trust him to pull your engine swap off without problems. My only concern is that the TH125 transmission that is being donated will have issues with the 3.4. It is geared wrong, when you are doing 65 MPH down the highway, the engine will be running at high RPMs.. That means you will get poor mileage.
The 4T60E transmission is made specifically to run on that engine, and other higher powered engines such as the 3.8 and 3800...
It bolts in just like the TH125, but it is stronger, more durable, and you will get better mileage... And you will still be able to punch the gas and get the tires to spin...
Plus, it will make it easier for the swap, because you don't have to cut out the wiring for the transmission, and modifying the chip is easier.
Darth Fiero does custom programming of the chips on those engines... If you go with the 4T60E transmission, then it would be real easy to have him modify the chip so that the engine runs just like it did in the original car.IP: Logged |
KEV
Member Posts: 2166
From: Green Isle, MN
Registered: Dec 2000
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Fosgatecavy98
Member Posts: 2189
From: GL,MI
Registered: Jul 2005
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You can actually change the gearing pretty easily, you can gear them to 3.33, 3.43, 3.73 or 3.18 with the right combination of differentials (final drives) and drive/driven chain gears.
I wouldnt think it would be a horrible transmission for the engine, however if they go through the work of getting into the internals of the 3 speed, it may be easier to just have the 4 speed installed.IP: Logged |
pontiackid86
Member Posts: 8558
From: downingtown pa
Registered: Sep 2008
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What about a getrag?IP: Logged |
pontiackid86
Member Posts: 8558
From: downingtown pa
Registered: Sep 2008
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| | | quote | Originally posted by Synthesis:
Also, your car will be headed to Tires Plus tomorrow to get the new Brake Master Cylinder. I felt the brakes in your car, and while the new Grand Am brakes stop it on a dime, the pedal travels too far... I am going to get the upgraded master cylinder installed for you, and that should take care of the problem entirely. 
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Its not his master cylinder. I drove the car and noticed the same thing. His ebrake cables are not ajusted right. My 86 does it, My 87 dose it as well.
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PURPLE REIGN
Member Posts: 3571
From: Minnesnowta ------------------ Land of White Gold
Registered: Sep 2002
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| | | quote | Originally posted by pontiackid86:
Its not his master cylinder. I drove the car and noticed the same thing. His ebrake cables are not ajusted right. My 86 does it, My 87 dose it as well. |
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Try again there PK.....remember it got the Grand Am upgrade.....it doesn't have brake cables hooked up silly. IP: Logged |
pontiackid86
Member Posts: 8558
From: downingtown pa
Registered: Sep 2008
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| | | quote | Originally posted by PURPLE REIGN:
Try again there PK.....remember it got the Grand Am upgrade.....it doesn't have brake cables hooked up silly. |
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True. Who knows i dont think its the master cylinder though.
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PURPLE REIGN
Member Posts: 3571
From: Minnesnowta ------------------ Land of White Gold
Registered: Sep 2002
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Considering they put new lines, calipers & all on there. I would start with a power bleed & let the new pads wear in.
And i'd leave that motor alone with it running & sounding that well. IP: Logged |
pontiackid86
Member Posts: 8558
From: downingtown pa
Registered: Sep 2008
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| | | quote | Originally posted by PURPLE REIGN:
And i'd leave that motor alone with it running & sounding that well. |
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Lol im not going to say anything........... J/K dude you did a great job and are one hell of a mechanic.
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87antuzzi
Member Posts: 3472
From: auburn ca
Registered: Feb 2009
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Anyone remember what the did with the "v" part in the center of the chin spoiler? I don't know if I should leave it or cut it off. IP: Logged |
PURPLE REIGN
Member Posts: 3571
From: Minnesnowta ------------------ Land of White Gold
Registered: Sep 2002
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| | | quote | Originally posted by pontiackid86:
Lol im not going to say anything........... J/K dude you did a great job and are one hell of a mechanic.
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Well, all i'll say to that is there are more underlying reasons & everone else agrees to them too.  IP: Logged |
PURPLE REIGN
Member Posts: 3571
From: Minnesnowta ------------------ Land of White Gold
Registered: Sep 2002
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| | | quote | Originally posted by 87antuzzi:
Anyone remember what the did with the "v" part in the center of the chin spoiler? I don't know if I should leave it or cut it off. |
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You mean the center support from the upper section to the bottom of the nose ? They're all cut off, none of us have them. IP: Logged |
87antuzzi
Member Posts: 3472
From: auburn ca
Registered: Feb 2009
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Yes. So there is a v shaped groove where it used to be? I spoiler on tylers car and  IP: Logged |
PURPLE REIGN
Member Posts: 3571
From: Minnesnowta ------------------ Land of White Gold
Registered: Sep 2002
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Depends on how you cut it.....most i've seen, everyone back cuts that lower section just to the point of the "v". When installed ( if someone were to look  ) it's not noticeable. IP: Logged |
Hulki U. My-BFF
Member Posts: 3008
From: Back home in East Berlin, PA
Registered: Apr 2008
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| | | quote | Originally posted by PURPLE REIGN:
And i'd leave that motor alone with it running & sounding that well. |
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Ok, now I will put my $.02 into it. I agree with PR 1000% on this. There was a lot of love and parts and parts put into that 2.8 to make it run as superb as it does now. I also will say it is kind of a slap in the face to the people who donated the custom engraved intake and the EGR cover. (left their names out so it doesn't look like I am speaking for them) I understand the thirst for more power, really I do, but to go and yank that 2.8 out a week after all of the blood, sweat, and tears that went into it, is kind of a hard pill to swallow.
BUT - Tyler, this is your car and you need to do what brings you happiness. If this swap will be done cleanly, and properly - NOT WITH A TH-125, and it's what you truly feel you must do, then go for it. None of us will think bad of you for doing it. I just ask that you take into consideration all of the work that was put into your 2.8.
I hope I don't come off as a jerk here, it's not my intention.
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87antuzzi
Member Posts: 3472
From: auburn ca
Registered: Feb 2009
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I just had a "flash back". On thursday tyler and I were talking and somehow it got brought up that his horn got stuck on so he ripped the pin out. So chris when you go back you might want to fix the horn  . As far as the swap...tyler you have a fiero that looks like it was just driven off the showroom floor in 86. The car is perfect. If I was you I would do it.... I rode in stuarts swapped fiero. I have NEVER been scared in a car until the IP: Logged |
carbon
Member Posts: 2339
From: Jordan, Minnesota, USA
Registered: Apr 2004
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I am an idiot...  [This message has been edited by carbon (edited 12-13-2009).] IP: Logged |
Fierofreak00
Member Posts: 3369
From: Martville NY USA
Registered: Jun 2001
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| | | quote | Originally posted by katatak:
I may have missed it somehwere in this enormous thread. Does anyone know if Mrs. Wake shipped the shirts that were ordered? I've left her a few PM's but I have not heard from her. We have a Fiero gathering planned down here in the desert and I would like o wear the shirt to it. Mainly for pride but also to generate some more interest in the project. Thanks in advance.
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I also have that same question......-Jason
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cornersonrails
Member Posts: 517
From: Algonquin,Il USA
Registered: Jul 2006
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| | | quote | Originally posted by katatak:
I may have missed it somehwere in this enormous thread. Does anyone know if Mrs. Wake shipped the shirts that were ordered? I've left her a few PM's but I have not heard from her. We have a Fiero gathering planned down here in the desert and I would like o wear the shirt to it. Mainly for pride but also to generate some more interest in the project. Thanks in advance.
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| | | quote | Originally posted by Fierofreak00:
I also have that same question......-Jason
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I will send her an e.mail and let her know to check her PMsIP: Logged |
Gilder
Member Posts: 20
From: Frazee, Mn
Registered: Nov 2009
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Thanks Kev I got it. IP: Logged |
KennyH
Member Posts: 18
From: Frazee, Mn.
Registered: Nov 2009
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Is Tylers wesite down for upgrading or is it just me?
Later,
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carbon
Member Posts: 2339
From: Jordan, Minnesota, USA
Registered: Apr 2004
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| | | quote | Originally posted by KennyH:
Is Tylers wesite down for upgrading or is it just me?
Later,
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Nope, its down... I tried to show someone at work this morning. Yay... Apache error page. IP: Logged |
Synthesis
Member Posts: 7749
From: Inver Grove Heights, MN
Registered: Feb 2002
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The hosting company who had it cancelled the account without notification. They just up and shut it off because it was "Using too many resources"..
So, the site has been moved to a new host, and should be up shortly... I have also offered to host it in order to keep it up.IP: Logged |
maryjane
Member Posts: 29885
From: Cleveland Tex
Registered: Apr 2001
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| | | quote | Originally posted by Synthesis:
The hosting company who had it cancelled the account without notification. They just up and shut it off because it was "Using too many resources"..
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In a round about way, that could be viewed as good news or a compliment of sorts. It means the site and it's contents are getting lots and lots of attention, views, and hits.
But yeah, the hosting co could have handled it differently and in a more tactfull manner.
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Synthesis
Member Posts: 7749
From: Inver Grove Heights, MN
Registered: Feb 2002
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| | | quote | Originally posted by pontiackid86:
True. Who knows i dont think its the master cylinder though.
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With new calipers that have a larger bore size, new brake lines, new pads and rotors, the only thing left is the master cylinder...
The Fiero master cylinder is designed to push enough fluid for the original calipers. When you put calipers that have a larger bore and piston size, you have to push the pedal further in order to stop the car. This feels like a soft pedal, which in many cases can feel unsafe, and lead someone into panic braking.
Installing a new 1994 Chevy Full Sized blazer master cylinder will resolve this issue, especially when the system is bled properly.
The only other upgrade would be to add the dual diaphragm brake booster.
The brakes will stop that car on a dime.IP: Logged |
KennyH
Member Posts: 18
From: Frazee, Mn.
Registered: Nov 2009
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| | | quote | Originally posted by Synthesis:
The hosting company who had it cancelled the account without notification. They just up and shut it off because it was "Using too many resources"..
So, the site has been moved to a new host, and should be up shortly... I have also offered to host it in order to keep it up. |
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Ok. Is Danyel still the webmaster then? I have been trying to upload my angle of your speech and the reveal and he has been most helpful. I am kinda slow with this stuff and am sure I am trying his patience.
Later,
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Synthesis
Member Posts: 7749
From: Inver Grove Heights, MN
Registered: Feb 2002
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Yes, he is still the webmaster...
If you would like, I can also host the video for you. Are you trying to upload to Youtube, or to the site via FTP?IP: Logged |
KennyH
Member Posts: 18
From: Frazee, Mn.
Registered: Nov 2009
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| | | quote | Originally posted by Synthesis:
Yes, he is still the webmaster...
If you would like, I can also host the video for you. Are you trying to upload to Youtube, or to the site via FTP? |
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Tried youtube,facebook, emailing to a member, and to Tylers site via FTP, NO LUCK.I think it has something to do with MY internet provider. I burned it to a cd and if Danyels idea didn't work was gonna see if I could send it to you Chris, by mail.
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Synthesis
Member Posts: 7749
From: Inver Grove Heights, MN
Registered: Feb 2002
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Ok. Let me ask this...
How big is the video file, and what errors are happening when you try to upload?
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KennyH
Member Posts: 18
From: Frazee, Mn.
Registered: Nov 2009
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492 mb. I think it times out. It may have something to do with my server cuz I uploaded one to Youtube of 88mb and it took it. Same camera taken the same day.....
Thanks for the help, I think it'll be worth it...
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Hulki U. My-BFF
Member Posts: 3008
From: Back home in East Berlin, PA
Registered: Apr 2008
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Tyler,
I sent you a very important PM. I'm sure your inbox is overflowing with PM's, but please check for it. Thanks
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Synthesis
Member Posts: 7749
From: Inver Grove Heights, MN
Registered: Feb 2002
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| | | quote | Originally posted by KennyH:
492 mb. I think it times out. It may have something to do with my server cuz I uploaded one to Youtube of 88mb and it took it. Same camera taken the same day.....
Thanks for the help, I think it'll be worth it...
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I can host it for you. How familiar are you with FTP transfers?IP: Logged |
KennyH
Member Posts: 18
From: Frazee, Mn.
Registered: Nov 2009
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| | | quote | Originally posted by Synthesis:
I can host it for you. How familiar are you with FTP transfers? |
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Not really, that is what Danyel was walking me through. I have downloaded filezilla and he sent me some info to plug into the form, that is when I noticed Tylers site was down cuz it said it failed.
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Synthesis
Member Posts: 7749
From: Inver Grove Heights, MN
Registered: Feb 2002
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K... Give me a few moments.. I'll set you up.
If we can get it up on my site, I can upload it to Youtube.
Incoming PM..
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PURPLE REIGN
Member Posts: 3571
From: Minnesnowta ------------------ Land of White Gold
Registered: Sep 2002
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| | | quote | Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF:
Ok, now I will put my $.02 into it. I agree with PR 1000% on this. There was a lot of love and parts and parts put into that 2.8 to make it run as superb as it does now. I also will say it is kind of a slap in the face to the people who donated the custom engraved intake and the EGR cover. (left their names out so it doesn't look like I am speaking for them) I understand the thirst for more power, really I do, but to go and yank that 2.8 out a week after all of the blood, sweat, and tears that went into it, is kind of a hard pill to swallow.
BUT - Tyler, this is your car and you need to do what brings you happiness. If this swap will be done cleanly, and properly - NOT WITH A TH-125, and it's what you truly feel you must do, then go for it. None of us will think bad of you for doing it. I just ask that you take into consideration all of the work that was put into your 2.8.
I hope I don't come off as a jerk here, it's not my intention.
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Couldn't have said it better myself !!!!!
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2.5
Member Posts: 10124
From: Southern MN
Registered: May 2007
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To me to swap or not is completely up to Tyler. I understand both viewpoints, and ultimatly think it boils down to something we all probably have.
The Fiero bug deep down inside us that says "it is never done", always wanting to upgrade something. I was there to help build a car for Tyler and if he prefers an upgrade Im' cool.IP: Logged |
KEV
Member Posts: 2166
From: Green Isle, MN
Registered: Dec 2000
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