This is a few friends having a friendly conversation.
Ha! Since when?!!
Political "discussion" at PFF, whether it be in O/T, or now in P&R, has always been an exchange of barbs and bullshit. There are a few members who try and be civil, including newcomer BingB, but the usual suspects just can't handle it.
Political "discussion" at PFF, whether it be in O/T, or now in P&R, has always been an exchange of barbs and bullshit. There are a few members who try and be civil, including newcomer BingB, but the usual suspects just can't handle it.
Hi! I'm new person to Pennocks... I have a Fiero that needs help. It's driving weird, can you help me fix it?
That link is to page seven, where rayb tells us what he believes, but it might help to go back to the middle of page six for a more clear understanding.
That link is to page seven, where rayb tells us what he believes, but it might help to go back to the middle of page six for a more clear understanding.
I believe the rump is and does evil I believe neo-nazi support the tump I believe racists support the rump I believe religious NUTS support the rump
I believe the evil anti democratic rump supporters will LOSE BIG TIME AND AGAIN CLAIM THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN even when the vote is 10 million less this time
I believe the rump is and does evil I believe neo-nazi support the tump I believe racists support the rump I believe religious NUTS support the rump
I believe the evil anti democratic rump supporters will LOSE BIG TIME AND AGAIN CLAIM THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN even when the vote is 10 million less this time
I believe the rump is and does evil I believe neo-nazi support the tump I believe racists support the rump I believe religious NUTS support the rump
I believe the evil anti democratic rump supporters will LOSE BIG TIME AND AGAIN CLAIM THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN even when the vote is 10 million less this time
Please try to stay on topic.
This thread is about Tucker Carlson and his approach to journalism.
Please read the last article that I posted by him and comment on the content.
"One side saw these changes for what they were: Let’s completely change American society, from the bottom to the top. Let’s eliminate any sense of shared culture or history. Let’s atomize the country to the point where there’s no viable opposition to what we’re doing. And once we’ve done that, let’s addle everyone with prescription drugs. Let’s encourage them to be unhealthy, unmarried, and childless, and then we can do whatever we want."
How does anyone benefit from destroying our society?
The wealthy elite need a productive workforce to produce wealth and consume. Without production and consumption the economy collapses. And when the economy collapses the people on top fall also.
What exactly do the wealthy elite want to do right now that is being blocked by people being healthy, getting married, and having babies? The only way you can exploit the masses is if the masses can either work or consume. If they are just helpless dependents then they drag down the entire country.
Originally posted by BingB: Here is the point where Tucker loses me.
"One side saw these changes for what they were: Let’s completely change American society, from the bottom to the top. Let’s eliminate any sense of shared culture or history. Let’s atomize the country to the point where there’s no viable opposition to what we’re doing. And once we’ve done that, let’s addle everyone with prescription drugs. Let’s encourage them to be unhealthy, unmarried, and childless, and then we can do whatever we want."
How does anyone benefit from destroying our society?
The wealthy elite need a productive workforce to produce wealth and consume. Without production and consumption the economy collapses. And when the economy collapses the people on top fall also.
What exactly do the wealthy elite want to do right now that is being blocked by people being healthy, getting married, and having babies? The only way you can exploit the masses is if the masses can either work or consume. If they are just helpless dependents then they drag down the entire country.
I don't know the answer to your question, I wish I did.
With that said, look at what has happened to America in the last 20 to 30 years. Everything that he has described has happened.
One has to wonder why, and what is the driving force behind the changes.
Originally posted by olejoedad: With that said, look at what has happened to America in the last 20 to 30 years. Everything that he has described has happened.
Not it has not. Americans still have a strong sense of shared history.
Overall Americans are proud of their country. We have no issue with our citizens running away to live in other countries.
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Originally posted by BingB: We have no issue with our citizens running away to live in other countries.
That is definitely not true. It's been something that has been increasing since about 2009. I'm not going to make aspersions as to whether or not that was because of the election of President Obama, or the repercussions of the Great Recession and people just felt their money would go further... but never the less... it's been steadily increasing since 2009. Last I looked, there's something like 50-60 thousand retirees per year that move overseas to retire. These are not poor people, these are people who have a good deal of money and want to live like kings in other places. The total number of expats that receive social security (retired) while living "full time" overseas is nearing a million (for people being retired, that's quite a lot). There's also a significant uptick year over year of people who are outright renouncing their citizenship altogether, though that number is still very small in comparison (like like less than 7,000 citizens a year).
Still... I don't know to what point or by what metric we say it's an "issue," but... it makes me sad to think that someone would want to leave the United States and retire somewhere else. I love this world, and appreciate a lot of different cultures, but the United States is who I am... it's part of the reason why I get so enraged at radical leftism which seeks to outright destroy it. I don't view this as merely a "land" that people can live and we should just change it to the latest thing that appeals to whomever. I view the United States in all of it's struggles as a grand concept born almost out of a combination of a perfect sequences of events... that it was so strong and good, it's been able to overcome so much adversity and struggle. I can't even begin to tell you how angry it makes me.
I grew up with "America" in every fiber of my being. This is how I grew up... this is what I grew up with. It kills me... just kills me to see what's happening right now.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: It kills me... just kills me to see what's happening right now.
What do you mean specifically?
I see problems with our country (drug addiction, crime, income inequality, immigration) but I don't really see us "losing our history/culture" or "destroying our society."
Originally posted by olejoedad: Overall, yes, but not to the high percentages of my youth.
The term "patriotism" is a little difficult to define in practice. For example, the millennials that you accuse of being "unpatriotic" are actually more optimistic about the future of our country than your generation. So they value and respect our ability to change and adapt more than you do.
Plus anytime there is civil unrest and movement for change the people protesting are often attacked as "unpatriotic". I'll bet your highly patriotic youth was after the draft was ended in 1973.
Originally posted by BingB: The term "patriotism" is a little difficult to define in practice. For example, the millennials that you accuse of being "unpatriotic" are actually more optimistic about the future of our country than your generation. So they value and respect our ability to change and adapt more than you do.
Plus anytime there is civil unrest and movement for change the people protesting are often attacked as "unpatriotic". I'll bet your highly patriotic youth was after the draft was ended in 1973.
I have no problem defining patriotism. I didn't accuse anyone of being unpatriotic. I am very optimistic about the future of America - we always figure out a way. I don't think you know how old I am.
I see problems with our country (drug addiction, crime, income inequality, immigration) but I don't really see us "losing our history/culture" or "destroying our society."
See... this is why I stop responding to you, because this isn't a real question you're asking... you're just trying to antagonize, and you're not worth the effort... you're just not.
You already know full-well what the answer to this is, and if you don't, then you're either not very intelligent, or totally oblivious.
See... this is why I stop responding to you, because this isn't a real question you're asking... you're just trying to antagonize, and you're not worth the effort... you're just not.
You already know full-well what the answer to this is, and if you don't, then you're either not very intelligent, or totally oblivious.
This is a fact.
Fred is like AOC questioning Tony Bobulinski the other day.
(Never allow a Leftist to frame the argument.....any argument)
You say this all the time, but I have no idea what it means.
Basically you are saying that you are incapable of engaging a leftist in a debate. The only way you can have a political discussion is in an echo chamber that only contains people who believe the same way you do.
If I am in a discussion and I don't like the way another person "frames" the argument I simply address the issue I have with the way they are trying to frame it. I never resort to just running away. I am capable of "framing" my own response any way I wish.
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Fred is like AOC questioning Tony Bobulinski the other day.
so who on the con side is most like marge trailerpark green
who is bo bo the rotten pork dealer
and who is the retiring snapper turtle
you know you got them here
and why does no con ever get to question any other con LIES ? do you guys have a secret pack never to even mention any flaw of the rump or other nut-con ever !!!
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: See... this is why I stop responding to you, because this isn't a real question you're asking... you're just trying to antagonize, and you're not worth the effort... you're just not.
You already know full-well what the answer to this is, and if you don't, then you're either not very intelligent, or totally oblivious.
It is a sad day when people feel "attacked" by a simple straightforward question.
What I am trying to do is point out how different people define "patriotism". For example the LGBTQ community are often labeled as "Un-American". I fully understand why some people disagree with the beliefs of the LGBTQ community, but I don't see why the issue should be political. Why is fighting for "equal rights" considered "Un-American".
It is because most people are talking about their "cultural beliefs" when they claim to be talking about "politics".
It is a sad day when people feel "attacked" by a simple straightforward question.
NO...The "sad day" was when Leftists like you started trying to project your own feelings onto others in an attempt to control or stop other people's speech.
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Originally posted by BingB:
What I am trying to do is point out how different people define "patriotism".
NOPE....In typical Leftoid fashion you're attempting redefine the term to suit your narrative.
Leftists are dishonest
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