Now, tell us the substantial differences in the inception of VW and IMZ-Ural.
well one is a car the other a motorcycle
and the ural is a copy ''In 1940, the Soviet Union acquired the design and production techniques for BMW R71 motorcycles and sidecars.The first M-72 model was finished in 1941. Originally, factories were to be located in Moscow, Leningrad (now Saint Petersburg), and Kharkov, but due to the approach of Nazi German troops, the Moscow facilities were moved to Irbit, and the Leningrad and Kharkov facilities to Gorkiy (now called Nizhny Novgorod).
vw was built on a subscription model financed by the buyers ural was a military project from the start only sold to people many year later
so a car for people or an army bike about the same as the nazi or commie states that built them ie NOT AT ALL
it was a scam very very few vw cars were built the money was stolen
Yep, VW was a scam right from the start. I will come back to this in a minute.
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the kubel wagon was produced for the army later called vw thing the WW2 german jeep
dr P designed stuff to be build by others the elifant and the tiger tank turret
anyway the nazi were not commies no matter how it is said on a rightwing blog
The “rightwing blog” that I quoted is the “United States Holocaust Memorial Museum”. They were cited in my post.
You did not cite Wikipedia, which is the source of your information on Ural.
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well one is a car the other a motorcycle
This is the only substantial difference.
The “people’s car” was Hitler’s idea and Ural was Stalin’s idea. Both produced war machinery.
Both Ural and VW were stolen from the German people.
You already admitted that VW was a scam. KDF was a party slogan and a program to direct the lives of the workers on and off the job. It was not a “subscription”. The laborers were promised a car, which most never received. After a few hundred were built, the factory was turned to war production.
Here are some points from the Nazi party platform: source: https://www.ushmm.org/ ---- 13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).
17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation; the abolition of ground rent, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
19. We demand that Roman Law, which serves a materialistic world order, be replaced by a German common law.
22. We demand the abolition of the mercenary [i.e. professional] army and the formation of a people’s army.
25. To put the whole of this program into effect, we demand the creation of a strong central state power for the Reich; the unconditional authority of the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and its organizations; and the formation of Corporations based on estate and occupation for the purpose of carrying out the general legislation passed by the Reich in the various German states. ---- Now, tell me how this differs substantially from the Soviet system. For extra credit, tell me how this fits in to a capitalist system.
Here are some points from the Nazi party platform: source: https://www.ushmm.org/ ---- 13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).
17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation; the abolition of ground rent, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
19. We demand that Roman Law, which serves a materialistic world order, be replaced by a German common law.
22. We demand the abolition of the mercenary [i.e. professional] army and the formation of a people’s army.
25. To put the whole of this program into effect, we demand the creation of a strong central state power for the Reich; the unconditional authority of the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and its organizations; and the formation of Corporations based on estate and occupation for the purpose of carrying out the general legislation passed by the Reich in the various German states. ---- Now, tell me how this differs substantially from the Soviet system. For extra credit, tell me how this fits in to a capitalist system.
yes they said / printed all that
VERY LITTLE OF THAT WAS DONE
M-B BMW MANN KRUPP all stock ''businesses[/U] which have been formed into corporations (trusts).'' only stock owned by jews was taken and mostly quick resold/given to party members [high ranked ones] private owned corps were never nationalized unless something odd very happened
where the reds just took over everything no stock no owners no profit/loss just commands do or die
every REAL history class puts nazi's as extreme right very opposite of reds they both were authoritarian to the MAX and so is trump/Gop maga nuts
but not the same at all except for the authoritarian part reds did it the nazi may have talked about your points but did not do any of the listed points SURPRISE NAZI'S LIE
The second pattern [of socialism] (we may call it the Hindenburg or German pattern) nominally and seemingly preserves private ownership of the means of production, and keeps the appearance of ordinary markets, prices, wages, and interest rates. These are, however, no longer entrepreneurs, but only shop managers (Betriebsführer in the terminology of the Nazi legislation). These shop managers are seemingly instrumental in the conduct of the enterprises entrusted to them; they buy and sell, hire and discharge workers and remunerate their services, contract debts and pay interest and amortization. But in all their activities they are bound to obey unconditionally the orders issued by the government's supreme office of production management. This office (the Reichswirtschaftsministerium in Nazi Germany) tells the shop managers what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. It assigns every worker to his job and fixes his wages. It decrees to whom and on what terms the capitalists must entrust their funds. Market exchange is merely a sham.
It seems to me that the left wants to believe in a fairy tale, lies passed down from totalitarian propaganda.
Now, does this plan sound familiar? It seems to me that I heard something much like this being shouted angrily in a speech last Tuesday.
Incredibly revealing testimony coming out of the new Republican led select committee that is currently digging into the TRUTH about J6 and all of the subsequent Leftist bullshittery.
What kind of crap is that? Are you agreeing with the Nazis?
really dude trying very hard not to understand no ONE CALLED neo-reds now are they neo-nazi is an idea too far as is the idea to ask one what side they sit well I guess you will not like the answer so will not even ask [EXTREME RIGHT WING] AND YES YOU CAN FIND THEM [NEO] AT THE RUMPS RALLY'S
one can count who is on what side WITH out BEING IN SUPPORT OF ETHER
AND ''You haven't read, or don't understand anything that I have posted. '' I READ BUT I KNOW BETTER yes they the nazi's said stuff to get into power most near all the points you list DID NOT HAPPEN
NO GERMAN LAW the nazi's did change some but not much
no land reform
not corp-RAT reforn or much nationalization
no peoples army see night of the long knives no SA just SS you do not get it
yes you have a list most of it just ain't true get over it
Near-Earth Objects (NEOs) are comets and asteroids that have been nudged by the gravitational attraction of nearby planets into orbits that allow them to enter the Earth’s neighborhood. Composed mostly of water ice with embedded dust particles, comets originally formed in the cold outer planetary system while most of the rocky asteroids formed in the warmer inner solar system between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter. The scientific interest in comets and asteroids is due largely to their status as the relatively unchanged remnant debris from the solar system formation process some 4.6 billion years ago. The giant outer planets (Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune) formed from an agglomeration of billions of comets and the left over bits and pieces from this formation process are the comets we see today. Likewise, today’s asteroids are the bits and pieces left over from the initial agglomeration of the inner planets that include Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars.
I have provided quotes and links to reputable sources. You have provided nothing but your personal prejudice and unintelligible imaginary epithets. You sound more like former user “sourmash” with each passing day.
Nazis are bad. Communists are bad. Socialists are bad. Capitalism is good.
Read a book. (other than Das Kapital) No, not Mein Kampf.
you poisoned my sweet water. You cut down my green trees. The food you fed my children Was the cause of their disease.
My world is slowly fallin' down And the airs not good to breathe. And those of us who care enough, We have to do something.......
robber baron capitalism ends with one winner and every one else lost
we need limits to the greed ways to limit the lies
So, do you realize that you just quoted a guy with brain damage who died at age 57? He is not exactly what I would call a reputable source on economics, politics or history.
Here is another example of his profound wisdom:
But he did make pretty good money by ranting against Capitalism.
You still haven't demonstrated a passing knowledge of '60s pop culture, let alone 20th century political or economic history.
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we need limits to the greed ways to limit the lies
Here are a couple more points from the Nazi party platform: source: https://www.ushmm.org/
18. We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Common criminals, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.
23. We demand legal warfare on deliberate political mendacity and its dissemination in the press.
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EDIT: While composing my most recent post (here), I inadvertently wiped out this one. I am attempting to reconstruct it. If you see an error or inaccuracy, let me know. I make it a point never to edit a post in a controversial topic because someone might accuse me of being dishonest.
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Jake only speaks when he has something to say and when he has something to say, he says it intelligibly.
I suspect at some point Ray will slink off and not post or rage quit and delete all of his posts. Just capturing some of them, well mostly because it seems to bother Ray but also because sometime is just odd.
Its very hard to follow Ray's politics and where he gets his information. I assume he holds his phone at an angle so he can read the information. I do not know how he would other wise read some of the slanted views he shares with us.
Something to ponder until Ray comes back. Click to show
Here are a couple more points from the Nazi party platform: source: https://www.ushmm.org/
18. We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Common criminals, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.
23. We demand legal warfare on deliberate political mendacity and its dissemination in the press.
two more points in common with the trump wing of the Gop your side loves to kill people by the power of the state
and you want to censor the press just like he did trump want criminal laws on slander by the press/media and like the trump hitler said the media was made of liberals jews and commies of course the rump dropped the jews but went with the commies and liberals part
lets find more thing both the nazi's and the Gop like !
------------------ Question wonder and be wierd are you kind?
18. We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Common criminals, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.
"We need" and "We demand" both mean "We want" Prosecution and punishment are methods of limiting a practice. Userers are money lenders and profiteers are people who profit. Socialists consider both to be greedy.
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Originally posted by ray b:
ways to limit the lies
23. We demand legal warfare on deliberate political mendacity and its dissemination in the press.
"ways to limit the lies" is clearly a call for limits on free speech. You are demanding censorship.
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Originally posted by ray b:
two more points in common with the trump wing of the Gop your side loves to kill people by the power of the state
You are the one demanding criminalization of greed. You and the people who wrote the Nazi party platform.
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and you want to censor the press just like he did trump want criminal laws on slander by the press/media
You are the one demanding censorship. You and the people who wrote the Nazi party platform.
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and like the trump hitler said the media was made of liberals jews and commies of course the rump dropped the jews but went with the commies and liberals part
You are the only one who keeps talking about the Jews. Even with your limited knowledge of the English language, you really should have enough respect to capitalize "Jews".
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lets find more thing both the nazi's and the Gop like !
You are the one who demands limits to greed and free speech. These are not GOP tenets, they are contrary to the GOP platform. But, they align perfectly with a different party.
You have provided nothing but your personal prejudice and unintelligible imaginary epithets. You sound more like former user “sourmash” with each passing day.
yes hitler was very darkside and hated the press /media just like nixon raygun bush 1&2 and the rump who amped the hate up to 11
see a pattern yet ?
pattern recognition is important
yes the media is biased against AH's is good at spotting them IDing and tracking lies and scams
some accuses me of too much nixon and hitler [but hard to do nazi without him] and we have nixon on tape being exactly what we was THE NUT-CON SCUMBAG IN ALL HIS GLORY AND ROOT ALL FOLLOWING CON'S
SO YES HISTORY AND TODAY the rightwing hates the press hitler to rhonda the minime trump want to be
just understand why the hate for facts reports and the press/media is a tell of the DARK SIDE NEVER A GOOD IDEA
yes hitler was very darkside and hated the press /media just like nixon raygun bush 1&2 and the rump who amped the hate up to 11
see a pattern yet ?
pattern recognition is important
yes the media is biased against AH's is good at spotting them IDing and tracking lies and scams
some accuses me of too much nixon and hitler [but hard to do nazi without him] and we have nixon on tape being exactly what we was THE NUT-CON SCUMBAG IN ALL HIS GLORY AND ROOT ALL FOLLOWING CON'S
SO YES HISTORY AND TODAY the rightwing hates the press hitler to rhonda the minime trump want to be
just understand why the hate for facts reports and the press/media is a tell of the DARK SIDE NEVER A GOOD IDEA
