It’s sad to see that so few of you take it seriously. It’s sad to see such little respect for our democracy.
What's so sad for me to see, is that you gave up on your education. You used to have a signature which said something like "I am naive but I am working on it". You have work left to do.
Many things in life are sad. I am sad to have heard of a great sadness which affected you personally.
It was sad for me to see the "mostly peaceful protests" happening in many cities during the "Summer of Love".
It was sad for me to hear that US Congressional representative Barney Frank diddled little boys in your sacred US Capital building.
It's sad for me to know that tearing down historical statues is accepted, though I understand why Dumbocrats want to erase their history.
It's sad for me to think that you think the United States is a democracy. Really Brandon ?
I had a chance to go to Washington DC on January 6th. I wish I did. Every once in a while, Guberment needs a self correction from it's citizens.
The reason why many saw a need to protest was because during the 2020 election, many laws were bypassed without Legislative agreement. By fiat. Talk about seeing such little respect for our democracy.
Originally posted by theBDub: It's not deflection to respond directly to your statement that I was incorrect. I was not only not incorrect, I was wholly correct.
What's deflection is talking about Biden's polls during hearings regarding the attempted insurrection on January 6, 2021... before President Biden took office.
What's deflection is pretending that the validity of the claims from the January 6 committee are any less true because people aren't watching them.
I stated that there was significant fraud and vote manipulation through a clear violation of the rules in nearly every single state except Florida. You said literally:
"Have you watched the hearings? Monday's was particularly exhaustive on how allegations of election fraud were reviewed and found to be without merit."
I then told you that you are completely wrong. It is FACT that you are wrong.
Me discussing Biden's pollings and no one watching it has a DIRECT correlation, which I will happily discuss. The REASON why the hearing doesn't matter, is because it is COMPLETELY bogus. THIS IS WHY the Republicans tried to block it, because they KNEW it was completely bogus.
As I have repeatedly said, the hearing committee is made up entirely of Democrats, and only TWO Republicans out of hundreds and hundreds of people that are comprising this show, and those two Republicans despise Trump. There is absolutely no scientific metric or measure of justice that would consider this even REMOTELY a real hearing of any kind. You would need to have equal representation, and it doesn't have even anything remotely CLOSE to that.
Why I mention those other two things is for direct reference as to why it's bull **** :
1 - No one is watching it: because everyone knows it's bull **** and just political theater. 2 - Biden's Polling: the ONLY reason why this is going on right now is directly because his polling is SO bad, and they are doing anything they can to try to turn the narrative from what's going on right now.
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Originally posted by theBDub:
Literally everyone knows we aren't a Direct Democracy. We are a Representative Democracy (loosely) and Constitutional Republic (specifically). I didn't capitalize the term on purpose. You don't get any points for this, Todd. Former President Trump once said "More than any country in history we've made gains toward a democracy that is enviable throughout the world."
Not looking for points. There's no difference between a D and d in Democracy. You said we are a democracy, I was correcting you. I don't care what Trump says, it's still not a democracy. Until ~1913, we didn't even vote for senators. You are literally regurgitating talking points by saying that any of this has to do with protecting "democracy," which is the narrative talking point that the January 6th committee is trying to push.
Imagine saying that trying to normalize voter fraud is protecting democracy, and that people who were trying to stop a stolen election are the ones hurting democracy.
I re-iterate everything that I said before, which has been proven:
FACT: Laws were broken by the department of elections in nearly half the states. They violated numerous state constitutional laws in the name of "COVID-19."
1 - Accepting ballots past the close of polls. 2 - Allowing people to drop off others ballots 3 - Ballot harvesting 4 - Ballot trafficking 5 - No signatures / lack of signatures, or unverifiable signatures 6 - Waiving of picture and voter ID requirements
I stated that there was significant fraud and vote manipulation through a clear violation of the rules in nearly every single state except Florida. You said literally:
"Have you watched the hearings? Monday's was particularly exhaustive on how allegations of election fraud were reviewed and found to be without merit."
I then told you that you are completely wrong. It is FACT that you are wrong.
That is not what you said I was wrong about:
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
... You have TWO Republicans who hate Trump that are on the panel, all the rest of them are Democrats. If this was a REAL hearing, it would have equal representation.
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Originally posted by theBDub:
There was an attempt to put together a committee with equal representation. Republicans blocked it.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
The Republicans were NOT allowed to pick the people that they wanted on the committee. Democrats picked the Republicans that are currently sitting on the committee. So what you're saying is totally incorrect. It's not only lop-sided, but the two Republicans both hate Trump, which is why the Democrats picked them. That alone means this is a farce.
Deflection... I'm talking about the fact that this committee is made up entirely of Democrats, with two RINOs that hate Trump.
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Originally posted by theBDub:
It's not deflection to respond directly to your statement that I was incorrect. I was not only not incorrect, I was wholly correct.
FACT: There was bipartisan support to put together an independent committee that would have equal representation. FACT: Republicans blocked the effort.
Personally, I don't know how someone can see those two facts next to each other then whine that the current makeup of the committee is only partially bipartisan. There was an opportunity for this to be an independent committee. That was voted down, by Republicans. This is an extremely transparent political move by Republicans and nothing more.
Claims of voter fraud and election tampering went to court. President Trump's friends, family, and staff have spoken under oath that they knew there was no voter fraud. You have now redefined "voter fraud" to mean the counting of real votes by means that you believe are unlawful. Those should also have their day in court, but that's not the same definition of voter fraud that was used in 2020 or early 2021 to sow distrust in the vote tallies.
Yet again, I find it sad that we're going around and around in circles on this topic, when a bipartisan congressional committee has been speaking to Republican staff, Republican election officials, and conservative judges under oath. You can choose to put your head in the sand if you want, but this was an awful moment for our country, whether you choose to watch it or not.
Biden's administration has done a poor job running the country. It has literally nothing to do with these hearings. Any claims to that are simple deflection.
FACT: There was bipartisan support to put together an independent committee that would have equal representation.
THIS IS NOT FACT... this is a wild fabrication. It would be like if a black man was being tried in the south by Southern Democrats, and the prosecutor got to pick the jury, and the defendant had no say in the jury selection.
PERIOD...
Everything else you've said is a completely moot point because this is 100% not fact.
And YES... the vast majority of the items in that list WENT to court... and almost every single one of those items, in almost every single state that they took place, the court ruled in FAVOR of Republicans. The problem is, you cannot overturn an election, there's really no precedence of this unless the candidate themselves were guilty of it.
In every case, for example, the state courts found that the supervisor of elections had no authority to change any of those rules, and ruled that the state legislature had the right.
These are four states that I found in 20 seconds of searching... there are MANY more if you just bother to spend a few minutes. I really do try to have patience with you... but you're so absolutely wrong on so many things, and are totally unable to see the reality of a situation. You're so fixated on your hate for Trump, that you're just blindly following the narrative.
The Leftist Jan 6 Carnival Side Show just keeps getting stupider by the day.
Comedian, Stephen Colbert employees arrested for breaching Capitol building
“Responding officers observed seven individuals, unescorted and without Congressional ID, in a sixth-floor hallway,” the U.S. Capitol police said in a statement to Fox News. “The building was closed to visitors, and these individuals were determined to be a part of a group that had been directed by the USCP to leave the building earlier in the day.”
Arrested and spent the night in jail and now facing the same Federal criminal charges of unlawful entry that the majority of the Jan 6 protesters were charged with.
So WHO let them into the building?? THIS bug-eyed Leftist freak, Adam Schiff-For-Brains
WHO SITS ON THE JAN 6 COMMITTEE
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All political theater because:
Leftists gotta Leftist
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Originally posted by theBDub: FACT: There was bipartisan support to put together an independent committee that would have equal representation. FACT: Republicans blocked the effort.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: THIS IS NOT FACT... this is a wild fabrication. It would be like if a black man was being tried in the south by Southern Democrats, and the prosecutor got to pick the jury, and the defendant had no say in the jury selection.
Well, that is a good way to look at it, but, it is more like the prosecutor picked 12 prejudiced white supremacists.
theBDub thinks the Republicans blocked the effort to have equal representation on a fact finding committee. Brandon, use common sense, don't be naive. Why would the Republicans do that, ?
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Originally posted by cliffw:
What's so sad for me to see, is that...
I had a chance to go to Washington DC on January 6th. I wish I did. Every once in a while, Guberment needs a self correction from it's citizens.
What is sad for me to see is that the United States Justice Department will not even enforce laws that prohibit protesters from protesting in front of any Judges house and currently US Supreme Court Justices !
The Leftist Jan 6 Carnival Side Show just keeps getting stupider by the day.
Comedian, Stephen Colbert employees arrested for breaching Capitol building
Arrested and spent the night in jail and now facing the same Federal criminal charges of unlawful entry that the majority of the Jan 6 protesters were charged with.
So WHO let them into the building??
THIS bug eyed Leftist freak, Adam Schiff-For Brains,
WHO SITS ON THE JAN 6 COMMITTEE
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This all political theater because:
Leftists gotta Leftist
So this makes me ask, how long has it been known that anti Trump instigators stormed the Capital and why was this information suppressed for a year and a half?
So this makes me ask, how long has it been known that anti Trump instigators stormed the Capital and why was this information suppressed for a year and a half?
Adam Schiff had more involvement in the planning of this latest breach of the US Capitol than Trump did on January 6th.
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Originally posted by theBDub:
Yet again, I find it sad that we're going around and around in circles on this topic,
Yeah, it is so "sad" that Leftists had to break into the U.S. Capitol with TV COMEDIANS to show how "serious" and "sad" this ongoing political theatrical performance is.
*SNERK*
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Leftists gotta Leftist
......even when they're "sad" and nobody believes their phony despair
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: And YES... the vast majority of the items in that list WENT to court... and almost every single one of those items, in almost every single state that they took place, the court ruled in FAVOR of Republicans. The problem is, you cannot overturn an election, there's really no precedence of this unless the candidate themselves were guilty of it.
In every case, for example, the state courts found that the supervisor of elections had no authority to change any of those rules, and ruled that the state legislature had the right.
I knew I wasn't going to get a response on this. Busy at work, on vacation, whatever.. I'm sure. Like every other mislead well-intentioned individual who is routinely exposed to progressive indoctrinating media. When the discussion results in facts that break the narrative and there's no explaining it away... crickets.
The Democrats unilaterally coordinated in every state they could, a complete violation of election laws in the name of COVID. Not only was this election fraudulent, but it's election fraud that was coordinated at the absolute highest levels of government. This my friends, is not just corruption, it's a coup... and we need to recognize that for exactly what this is. We aren't burning down cities causing billions in damage all over the country when we don't like the way things are going. We're trying to do it right. Make no mistake about it, Joe Biden did not legally get the most votes in the history of this country... a man who has the most consistently lowest approval rating of any U.S. president in American history.
I knew I wasn't going to get a response on this. Busy at work, on vacation, whatever.. I'm sure. Like every other mislead well-intentioned individual who is routinely exposed to progressive indoctrinating media. When the discussion results in facts that break the narrative and there's no explaining it away... crickets.
The Democrats unilaterally coordinated in every state they could, a complete violation of election laws in the name of COVID. Not only was this election fraudulent, but it's election fraud that was coordinated at the absolute highest levels of government. This my friends, is not just corruption, it's a coup... and we need to recognize that for exactly what this is. We aren't burning down cities causing billions in damage all over the country when we don't like the way things are going. We're trying to do it right. Make no mistake about it, Joe Biden did not legally get the most votes in the history of this country... a man who has the most consistently lowest approval rating of any U.S. president in American history.
I'm glad you're finally waking up to that. This crap has been going on for longer than most people will admit.
Yeah, it is so "sad" that Leftists had to break into the U.S. Capitol with TV COMEDIANS to show how "serious" and "sad" this ongoing political theatrical performance is.
*SNERK*
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Leftists gotta Leftist
......even when they're "sad" and nobody believes their phony despair
So in the end, Donald Trump told the crowd to be peaceful and the democrats inflamed a peaceful protest into a violent insurrection at the Capital on January 6th. Isn't is strange that they also have a history of doing this at blm and antifa protests that also end in a deadly riot. And the democrats try to blame Trump, racism, white people, toxic masculinity, education, history, and Police among other lame excuses to further their own agenda while the democrats are the ones causing all of the hate, racism, strife, division, and deadly riots. The facts come out on a regular basis but the blind eat up the vomit of democrat propaganda and spew it around so as to cause other to do the same.
Just as in the Roman Empire and Nazi Germany, entertainment and recreation have become tools of the government. Tools for both distraction and propaganda.
Todd, it's been two days, and I'm often not on the forum for more than two days. The only reason I'm on right now is I'm behind on work, so spending some time on my computer, and waiting for a query to finish...
If you're an astute observer, you might even notice a pattern to when I do and don't comment and the types of comments on different days.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
THIS IS NOT FACT... this is a wild fabrication. It would be like if a black man was being tried in the south by Southern Democrats, and the prosecutor got to pick the jury, and the defendant had no say in the jury selection.
PERIOD...
Everything else you've said is a completely moot point because this is 100% not fact.
Except it is fact, and I provided links from when it happened. Your interpretation is the above. Your interpretation is not a fact.
The text of the bill provides the criteria for the original committee, which Republicans voted against:
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SEC. 5. COMPOSITION OF COMMISSION.
(a) Members.—The Commission shall be composed of ten members, of whom—
(1) one member shall be appointed jointly by the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the majority leader of the Senate to serve as Chairperson of the Commission;
(2) one member shall be appointed jointly by the minority leader of the House of Representatives and the minority leader of the Senate to serve as Vice Chairperson of the Commission;
(3) two members shall be appointed by the Speaker of the House of Representatives;
(4) two members shall be appointed by the minority leader of the House of Representatives;
(5) two members shall be appointed by the majority leader of the Senate; and
(6) two members shall be appointed by the minority leader of the Senate.
In other words, equal representation.
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(1) NONGOVERNMENTAL APPOINTEES.—An individual appointed to the Commission may not be an officer or employee of an instrumentality of government.
(2) OTHER QUALIFICATIONS.—It is the sense of Congress that individuals appointed to the Commission should be prominent United States citizens, with national recognition and significant depth of experience in at least two of the following areas:
(A) Governmental service.
(B) Law enforcement.
(C) Civil rights, civil liberties, and privacy.
(D) The Armed Forces.
(E) Intelligence.
(F) Counterterrorism.
(G) Cybersecurity.
(H) Technology.
(I) Law.
In other words, independent.
It passed the House, and did not pass the Senate with 54 YEAs and 35 NAYs. All NAYs were Republicans.
In other words, bipartisan support but blocked by Republicans.
So let me restate:
FACT: There was bipartisan support to put together an independent committee that would have equal representation. FACT: Republicans blocked the effort.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
And YES... the vast majority of the items in that list WENT to court... and almost every single one of those items, in almost every single state that they took place, the court ruled in FAVOR of Republicans. The problem is, you cannot overturn an election, there's really no precedence of this unless the candidate themselves were guilty of it.
In every case, for example, the state courts found that the supervisor of elections had no authority to change any of those rules, and ruled that the state legislature had the right.
These are four states that I found in 20 seconds of searching... there are MANY more if you just bother to spend a few minutes. I really do try to have patience with you... but you're so absolutely wrong on so many things, and are totally unable to see the reality of a situation. You're so fixated on your hate for Trump, that you're just blindly following the narrative.
None of these show that voter fraud took place. Voter fraud is fraudulent votes. President Trump was making claims about voter fraud that weren't happening: Dominion voting machines changing votes, suitcases of fake votes showing up, counties with more votes than voters. These didn't happen.
Where voting procedure should not have been altered due to the pandemic, it shouldn't have been altered. It's a completely separate conversation from voter fraud. It's shifting the goalposts to pretend like the claims of voter fraud were correct when they weren't.
So in the end, Donald Trump told the crowd to be peaceful and the democrats inflamed a peaceful protest into a violent insurrection at the Capital on January 6th. Isn't is strange that they also have a history of doing this at blm and antifa protests that also end in a deadly riot. And the democrats try to blame Trump, racism, white people, toxic masculinity, education, history, and Police among other lame excuses to further their own agenda while the democrats are the ones causing all of the hate, racism, strife, division, and deadly riots. The facts come out on a regular basis but the blind eat up the vomit of democrat propaganda and spew it around so as to cause other to do the same.
None of these show that voter fraud took place. Voter fraud is fraudulent votes. President Trump was making claims about voter fraud that weren't happening: Dominion voting machines changing votes, suitcases of fake votes showing up, counties with more votes than voters. These didn't happen.
Where voting procedure should not have been altered due to the pandemic, it shouldn't have been altered. It's a completely separate conversation from voter fraud. It's shifting the goalposts to pretend like the claims of voter fraud were correct when they weren't.
Of course... so, a COORDINATED campaign by the Democrats at the Federal level to alter the voting laws in every state, KNOWINGLY violating each state's constitution, is not voter fraud? Are you really going to tell me that this isn't voter fraud? Please tell me you haven't moved to the phase of your argument where it now rests on semantics? Ballot harvesting, ballot trafficking... that's voter fraud. It's illegal. It was allowed by Democrats during the Pandemic in every state except Florida, which remained steadfast adherence to the law. This is not semantics, this is a coordinated conspiracy the commit election fraud at the highest levels of government. PERIOD.
Texas Tribune: “We believe that the 2020 election violated Article 1 and 2 of the US Constitution, that various secretaries of state illegally circumvented their state legislatures in conducting their elections in multiple ways, including by allowing ballots to be received after November 3, 2020.”
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Originally posted by theBDub: Todd, it's been two days, and I'm often not on the forum for more than two days. The only reason I'm on right now is I'm behind on work, so spending some time on my computer, and waiting for a query to finish...
If you're an astute observer, you might even notice a pattern to when I do and don't comment and the types of comments on different days.
Except it is fact, and I provided links from when it happened. Your interpretation is the above. Your interpretation is not a fact.
The text of the bill provides the criteria for the original committee, which Republicans voted against:
In other words, equal representation.
In other words, independent.
It passed the House, and did not pass the Senate with 54 YEAs and 35 NAYs. All NAYs were Republicans.
In other words, bipartisan support but blocked by Republicans.
So let me restate:
FACT: There was bipartisan support to put together an independent committee that would have equal representation. FACT: Republicans blocked the effort.
There you go again...
What happened on January 6th compares very little to the nearly trillion dollars in damages that occurred from the black-clothed white liberal riots that happened in all the major cities except Miami, where the Governor and Mayor shut that **** down quick. Yes, we all know the Republicans voted against theatrics. Nancy Pelosi always puts out bills that never had any chance of passage. It's called politics. Let's take for example the anti price-gouging bill? Surely you don't actually think that would be a good thing? This is a test of your intelligence. Do you think Nancy Pelosi put that out there because she WANTED it passed? Of course not... it would be a complete disaster (see 1979). She put it out there because she wants a talking point... one which dutiful Democrat constituents would parade about in memes on Twitter.
FACT: The January 6th Hearings are made up entirely of Democrats, and two Republicans that hate Trump (which are both going to lose their seats). They aren't doing God's work, or protecting "Democracy," or any other stupid stuff you might come up with. They're politicians... and they ****ed up, and their careers are over, and they're just hoping now to get a spot on MSNBC after their political careers are over.
FACT: The Democrats are losing their minds right now. They've implemented nearly everything they could have wanted... got all their spending passed through the guise of COVID and the nuclear option. The economy is in a free-fall right now. Every major financial institution says that we're in a recession. The Democrats are doing anything, absolutely anything they can right now to try to change the narrative... whether that's talking about Trump in the January 6th Hearings, or blaming everyone but themselves on the economic crisis we're living through right now. Here's some fun reality for you... and before you call this a deflection to try to deflect from this topic, what I'm presenting below is the SOLE REASON why they January 6th Hearings are going on right now... it has nothing to do with Democracy, it has to do with damage control.
CNN’s Inside Politics:
Capitol Hill reporter Melanie Zanona said that Democrats have been “panicking privately” over President Joe Biden’s inflation messaging for months. When asked about a meeting between Democrats and White House aids, Zanona acknowledged that it didn’t go as planned. “Not well, to put it mildly, listen, Democrats, they have been panicking privately. They have been saying for months, back in December they started pressing the White House to get a handle on inflation, start talking about this issue,” Zanona told host Abby Philip. Democrats in no surprising way, tried to play the blame game pinning the disastrous issue on someone else rather than themselves. Zanona said Democrats urged Congress to just “blame other people, blame corporate greed, start talking about what we’re doing legislatively to talk about these issues.”
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Of course... so, a COORDINATED campaign by the Democrats at the Federal level to alter the voting laws in every state, KNOWINGLY violating each state's constitution, is not voter fraud? Are you really going to tell me that this isn't voter fraud? Please tell me you haven't moved to the phase of your argument where it now rests on semantics? Ballot harvesting, ballot trafficking... that's voter fraud. It's illegal. It was allowed by Democrats during the Pandemic in every state except Florida, which remained steadfast adherence to the law. This is not semantics, this is a coordinated conspiracy the commit election fraud at the highest levels of government. PERIOD.
Texas Tribune: “We believe that the 2020 election violated Article 1 and 2 of the US Constitution, that various secretaries of state illegally circumvented their state legislatures in conducting their elections in multiple ways, including by allowing ballots to be received after November 3, 2020.”
You've made a massive leap here.
Voters who voted with the rules that were established at that time shouldn't have their votes tossed out because those rules were tossed out months later. Making it easier to get real votes in doesn't make those votes fraudulent. Additionally, voters wanted more ways of voting due to the pandemic. This was much not coordinated campaign to commit election fraud; it was a way to make voting accessible when in-person carried real risk.
Voting methods that go against the law should be tossed out. That doesn't make the votes that occurred under the law fraudulent.
You've ignored that the Republicans in former President Trump's administration knew there was no widespread voter fraud and told then President Trump about it. Former President Trump then lied to the American public about unproven allegations that have been shown to exhaustion to be without merit.
You've come up with a way to make yourself feel better about believing him by falling for a narrative. You're deeper in your propaganda than you think I am.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
There you go again...
What happened on January 6th compares very little to the nearly trillion dollars in damages that occurred from the black-clothed white liberal riots that happened in all the major cities except Miami, where the Governor and Mayor shut that **** down quick. Yes, we all know the Republicans voted against theatrics. Nancy Pelosi always puts out bills that never had any chance of passage. It's called politics. Let's take for example the anti price-gouging bill? Surely you don't actually think that would be a good thing? This is a test of your intelligence. Do you think Nancy Pelosi put that out there because she WANTED it passed? Of course not... it would be a complete disaster (see 1979). She put it out there because she wants a talking point... one which dutiful Democrat constituents would parade about in memes on Twitter.
FACT: The January 6th Hearings are made up entirely of Democrats, and two Republicans that hate Trump (which are both going to lose their seats). They aren't doing God's work, or protecting "Democracy," or any other stupid stuff you might come up with. They're politicians... and they ****ed up, and their careers are over, and they're just hoping now to get a spot on MSNBC after their political careers are over.
FACT: The Democrats are losing their minds right now. They've implemented nearly everything they could have wanted... got all their spending passed through the guise of COVID and the nuclear option. The economy is in a free-fall right now. Every major financial institution says that we're in a recession. The Democrats are doing anything, absolutely anything they can right now to try to change the narrative... whether that's talking about Trump in the January 6th Hearings, or blaming everyone but themselves on the economic crisis we're living through right now. Here's some fun reality for you... and before you call this a deflection to try to deflect from this topic, what I'm presenting below is the SOLE REASON why they January 6th Hearings are going on right now... it has nothing to do with Democracy, it has to do with damage control.
CNN’s Inside Politics:
Capitol Hill reporter Melanie Zanona said that Democrats have been “panicking privately” over President Joe Biden’s inflation messaging for months. When asked about a meeting between Democrats and White House aids, Zanona acknowledged that it didn’t go as planned. “Not well, to put it mildly, listen, Democrats, they have been panicking privately. They have been saying for months, back in December they started pressing the White House to get a handle on inflation, start talking about this issue,” Zanona told host Abby Philip. Democrats in no surprising way, tried to play the blame game pinning the disastrous issue on someone else rather than themselves. Zanona said Democrats urged Congress to just “blame other people, blame corporate greed, start talking about what we’re doing legislatively to talk about these issues.”
Are you just going to ignore that there was a bipartisan effort to establish an independent committee that Republicans blocked? You've responded with more deflection and conjecture instead of just admitting that there was an effort to have this be balanced. Republicans blocked it. Now Republicans are screaming that it's partisan. Yes, it's partisan. But it's also been shown to be balanced in its own way.
Since apparently I'm the only one here actually watching the hearings, this entire conversation is fruitless.
Originally posted by theBDub: You've made a massive leap here.
Voters who voted with the rules that were established at that time shouldn't have their votes tossed out because those rules were tossed out months later. Making it easier to get real votes in doesn't make those votes fraudulent. Additionally, voters wanted more ways of voting due to the pandemic. This was much not coordinated campaign to commit election fraud; it was a way to make voting accessible when in-person carried real risk.
Voting methods that go against the law should be tossed out. That doesn't make the votes that occurred under the law fraudulent.
You've ignored that the Republicans in former President Trump's administration knew there was no widespread voter fraud and told then President Trump about it. Former President Trump then lied to the American public about unproven allegations that have been shown to exhaustion to be without merit.
You've come up with a way to make yourself feel better about believing him by falling for a narrative. You're deeper in your propaganda than you think I am.
"Voting methods that go against the law should be tossed out. That doesn't make the votes that occurred under the law fraudulent."
They WEREN'T LAWS they were following, it was illegitimate guidance. The LAWS stated that these actions and guidance pushed by the supervisors of elections (which were all Democrats) were against the law. The Democrats... yes, it was Democrats, DISOBEYED THE LAWS in every state and county they could manage to convince enough people to do it. Those votes are fraudulent. PERIOD. What you're stating is purely opinion.
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Originally posted by theBDub:
Are you just going to ignore that there was a bipartisan effort to establish an independent committee that Republicans blocked? You've responded with more deflection and conjecture instead of just admitting that there was an effort to have this be balanced. Republicans blocked it. Now Republicans are screaming that it's partisan. Yes, it's partisan. But it's also been shown to be balanced in its own way.
Since apparently I'm the only one here actually watching the hearings, this entire conversation is fruitless.
I told you before. You do not seem to understand politics. More than half the bills that are proposed, are INTENTIONALLY pushed with absolutely NO GOAL of them being passed. They are merely passed for political / talking points. I know you do not understand this, and I realize that this probably seems shocking to you, but it happens all the time.
I also do not understand why you keep saying that bill was bi-partisan.
1 - It was proposed by Democrats, and co-sponsored by 1 Republican who hates Trump. 2 - The bill barely passed the house with almost every single Republican voting against it. This is the definition of being PARTISAN, not bi-partisan.
Pelosi pushed this bill through KNOWING full-well that it would never pass the Senate. Half the bills she passes have no chance or shot at passing the senate. You DO realize that she knows this, and that this is intentional? You do realize that the anti-price gouging bill is the most recent example of this, right? Please address this... because this is not propaganda, this is WELL understood in politics... but usually the dumb voters don't know any better and parrot it around in memes on Twitter, which is EXACTLY the point. If Pelosi actually thought the anti-price gouging bill would have passed the senate, she never would have pushed it through, because it would have been a complete disaster for the country.
If Pelosi knew the commission bill would have passed the senate, then she never would have pushed it through. Republicans don't want it because then it can carry through 2024, which would benefit Democrats. Democrats don't want it because then it would give equal representation to Republicans, which would benefit Republicans.
I told you before. You do not seem to understand politics. More than half the bills that are proposed, are INTENTIONALLY pushed with absolutely NO GOAL of them being passed. They are merely passed for political / talking points. I know you do not understand this, and I realize that this probably seems shocking to you, but it happens all the time.
I also do not understand why you keep saying that bill was bi-partisan.
1 - It was proposed by Democrats, and co-sponsored by 1 Republican who hates Trump. 2 - The bill barely passed the house with almost every single Republican voting against it. This is the definition of being PARTISAN, not bi-partisan.
Pelosi pushed this bill through KNOWING full-well that it would never pass the Senate. Half the bills she passes have no chance or shot at passing the senate. You DO realize that she knows this, and that this is intentional? You do realize that the anti-price gouging bill is the most recent example of this, right? Please address this... because this is not propaganda, this is WELL understood in politics... but usually the dumb voters don't know any better and parrot it around in memes on Twitter, which is EXACTLY the point. If Pelosi actually thought the anti-price gouging bill would have passed the senate, she never would have pushed it through, because it would have been a complete disaster for the country.
If Pelosi knew the commission bill would have passed the senate, then she never would have pushed it through. Republicans don't want it because then it can carry through 2024, which would benefit Democrats. Democrats don't want it because then it would give equal representation to Republicans, which would benefit Republicans.
I swear, I'm shocked at how oblivious you are...
You say it's not bipartisan, then immediately prove it's bipartisan? Bipartisan doesn't mean equally pushed by both sides. It means it has support from both sides. Multiple Republicans voted for the bill in both the House and Senate. This is standard language that is well-understood.
Yes, multiple bills are put out that are known on introduction to never pass. The independent committee isn't one of those. Why would Republicans care if it went until 2024, if they thought the entire thing was a charade? Why would multiple Republicans vote for it, if it was never meant to pass? Again, there was a bipartisan effort to establish an independent committee with equal representation. Republicans blocked it. You have a lot of words in here trying to claim otherwise, but it doesn't match reality.
I typically appreciate how you're at least willing to hold a conversation with someone disagreeing with you, but this has not been a conversation. I'm honestly pretty blown away by how blinded you are on this one, Todd.
Sir, that will be the day when YOU teach me some history. And you have already demonstrated that you do not know what honor is. So it bothers me not, that I do not fit your definition of honor. I do not just identify myself as a given type or thing on one day, then change on another. I know absolutes exist, and propaganda distorts. Have a good day fella.
"House Democrats then decided to create a special investigative committee, and the House passed a resolution establishing one on a 220-to-190 vote on June 30, with two Republicans joining Democrats in voting in favor of the panel.
The Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol was born.
It is made up of seven Democrats and the two Republicans who voted to establish the committee, Reps. Liz Cheney of Wyoming and Adam Kinzinger of Illinois. They joined at the request of Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) after House GOP leaders decided not to participate in the inquiry because Pelosi rejected two of their proposed members."
Hardly bipartisan when the only two Rs allowed to sit on the panel are the two that voted for it. Other Republicans were rejected by Pelosi until she got the two she wanted. Seems legit
"House Democrats then decided to create a special investigative committee, and the House passed a resolution establishing one on a 220-to-190 vote on June 30, with two Republicans joining Democrats in voting in favor of the panel.
The Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol was born.
It is made up of seven Democrats and the two Republicans who voted to establish the committee, Reps. Liz Cheney of Wyoming and Adam Kinzinger of Illinois. They joined at the request of Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) after House GOP leaders decided not to participate in the inquiry because Pelosi rejected two of their proposed members."
Hardly bipartisan when the only two Rs allowed to sit on the panel are the two that voted for it. Other Republicans were rejected by Pelosi until she got the two she wanted. Seems legit
Two Republicans were rejected out of five nominated by the GOP, and the GOP were asked to nominate two more. The GOP chose to pull out instead.
It would have been 7 Democrats and 6 Republicans, but Republican leadership elected not to participate.
Why should they? If you are rejecting the other side until you get the results you want then you and I both know it is political theater so why give it any support? The fact you blindly support that that is in any way fair or balanced says it all.
You say it's not bipartisan, then immediately prove it's bipartisan? Bipartisan doesn't mean equally pushed by both sides. It means it has support from both sides. Multiple Republicans voted for the bill in both the House and Senate. This is standard language that is well-understood.
Yes, multiple bills are put out that are known on introduction to never pass. The independent committee isn't one of those. Why would Republicans care if it went until 2024, if they thought the entire thing was a charade? Why would multiple Republicans vote for it, if it was never meant to pass? Again, there was a bipartisan effort to establish an independent committee with equal representation. Republicans blocked it. You have a lot of words in here trying to claim otherwise, but it doesn't match reality.
I typically appreciate how you're at least willing to hold a conversation with someone disagreeing with you, but this has not been a conversation. I'm honestly pretty blown away by how blinded you are on this one, Todd.
Now you're back to semantics again. Yes, TECHNICALLY if you have 100 Democrats, and 1 Republican, it's bi-partisan. But no one in their right mind would legitimately call what's going on right now, a bi-partisan effort.
You have two Republicans that absolutely despise Trump, and 7 of the most radical leftist Democrats you ever did see, who also despise Trump. An actual "bi-partisan" group would have a near-equal number, and you'd have some of Trump's strongest congressional supporters on the Republican side. This is not bi-partisan, it's political theater... no more or less than the impeachment trials of Bill Clinton, or Donald Trump. And you know this too...
And yes, all of that was voter fraud. It was coordinated not only at the local level, but the highest levels of government, and then when those same people in government never mention anything about this (you were totally unaware) and say there was no voter fraud, you're like... yup... government is good, government is right, government never lies to me.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Now you're back to semantics again. Yes, TECHNICALLY if you have 100 Democrats, and 1 Republican, it's bi-partisan. But no one in their right mind would legitimately call what's going on right now, a bi-partisan effort.
You have two Republicans that absolutely despise Trump, and 7 of the most radical leftist Democrats you ever did see, who also despise Trump. An actual "bi-partisan" group would have a near-equal number, and you'd have some of Trump's strongest congressional supporters on the Republican side. This is not bi-partisan, it's political theater... no more or less than the impeachment trials of Bill Clinton, or Donald Trump. And you know this too...
And yes, all of that was voter fraud. It was coordinated not only at the local level, but the highest levels of government, and then when those same people in government never mention anything about this (you were totally unaware) and say there was no voter fraud, you're like... yup... government is good, government is right, government never lies to me.
You aren't even watching the Hearings. You're not listening to the Republicans who are testifying, under oath, about our 2020 election and former President Trump's response.
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Originally posted by Fats:
I see someone has finally came out as a full blown Leftist.
It really burns y'all up that I'm not left-wing. I must be quite a weird "leftist" to support:
Lower, nonprogressive taxes
Lower regulation - including environmental, industry-specific, etc.
Limited-to-no gun-control laws
Private healthcare - healthcare is not a right
No government-guaranteed loans for post-secondary education
Limited government - exists primarily to protect rights
But you'll label me what you will.
I can tell this isn't going anywhere. None of you are watching the hearings, which I view as an incredibly important time in our country. I've watched them all from beginning to end, and I think you'd all benefit from doing the same. Without doing so, this discussion is useless.
Cliff should make that statement a sticky at the top of P&R. It totally captures the essence of this section. Seriously.
For once we agree...I've said it before...not like a bunch of old farts arguing on the internet are going to change one damn thing. It's about as useful as shaking your fist at a wasps nest. The wasps really dont give a **** .
It really burns y'all up that I'm not left-wing. I must be quite a weird "leftist" to support:
Lower, nonprogressive taxes
Lower regulation - including environmental, industry-specific, etc.
Limited-to-no gun-control laws
Private healthcare - healthcare is not a right
No government-guaranteed loans for post-secondary education
Limited government - exists primarily to protect rights
But you'll label me what you will.
I can tell this isn't going anywhere. None of you are watching the hearings, which I view as an incredibly important time in our country. I've watched them all from beginning to end, and I think you'd all benefit from doing the same. Without doing so, this discussion is useless.
Those of us that have talked to you, met you etc. over the years met a very smart and very well read person. And for the past several years we've watched that person get less and less intelligent. (And that's coming from me, the resident dumbass). It burns us up that you have so much potential, but have allowed yourself to become so brainwashed that you can't even look at anything objectively. Heck, you are downright giddy about these hearings. I suspect you do drugs and that's part of the problem. Everyone claims pot has no ill effects, but over time it makes a lot of people really ignorant. But that's where the system wants you to be, in a fog, blissful and ignorant to what's really happening. We are all brainwashed to a point, it's a matter of recognizing the issue I think. Luckily, us less intelligent members aren't as susceptible to its effects. There have been studies.
Watch the hearings all you want. Just keep in mind it's all designed to keep you in a fog.
It really burns y'all up that I'm not left-wing. I must be quite a weird "leftist" to support:
Lower, nonprogressive taxes
Lower regulation - including environmental, industry-specific, etc.
Limited-to-no gun-control laws
Private healthcare - healthcare is not a right
No government-guaranteed loans for post-secondary education
Limited government - exists primarily to protect rights
But you'll label me what you will.
I can tell this isn't going anywhere. None of you are watching the hearings, which I view as an incredibly important time in our country. I've watched them all from beginning to end, and I think you'd all benefit from doing the same. Without doing so, this discussion is useless.
Dub..Buddy...10 years ago you and I argued if profiling works or not. Some things you and I will never agree on, but I do enjoy reading your opinion and perspective.
Keep on, dude....
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Apparently this little 25 year old former aide and compulsive liar thinks the inside of the armored presidential limo, ("The Beast") is the same as her 2001 Toyota....and wants everyone else to think so too.
OOPS!
But the young woman just can't stop her Smolletting with only her crazy steering wheel fable:
Only the diehard TDS lunatics are glued to the TV clown show and are eating this dumb crap up like a free buffet because:
Leftists gotta Leftist ...especially when the J6 daytime soap opera now has to compete with abortion for media time
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Apparently this little 25 year old former aide and compulsive liar thinks the inside of the armored presidential limo, ("The Beast") is the same as her 2001 Toyota....and wants everyone else to think so too.
Apparently, there's another thing she said that has been refuted as well:
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