I understand the basic differences between "liber" and "conservative" policy. Both sides can be critical of the others policies because both sides have had multiple shots at controlling the government and neither side has proven to have all the right answers.
But for the life of me I can not understand how or why the people on the far right have fallen in love with dictators like Putin. When Trump told his followers to believe Putin over our own US military intelligence they did. That is just mind-boggling to me. I understand why some people don't trust the US government, but how in the hell could they ever trust Putin over the US military. When Putin saw this he immediately realized what a valuable tool Trump would be for him.
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I understand the basic differences between "liber" and "conservative" policy. Both sides can be critical of the others policies because both sides have had multiple shots at controlling the government and neither side has proven to have all the right answers.
But for the life of me I can not understand how or why the people on the far right have fallen in love with dictators like Putin. When Trump told his followers to believe Putin over our own US military intelligence they did. That is just mind-boggling to me. I understand why some people don't trust the US government, but how in the hell could they ever trust Putin over the US military. When Putin saw this he immediately realized what a valuable tool Trump would be for him.
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I understand the basic differences between "liber" and "conservative" policy. Both sides can be critical of the others policies because both sides have had multiple shots at controlling the government and neither side has proven to have all the right answers.
But for the life of me I can not understand how or why the people on the far right have fallen in love with dictators like Putin. When Trump told his followers to believe Putin over our own US military intelligence they did. That is just mind-boggling to me. I understand why some people don't trust the US government, but how in the hell could they ever trust Putin over the US military. When Putin saw this he immediately realized what a valuable tool Trump would be for him.
If you truly believe that the right, or far right is in love with Putin, you are not the centrist you claim to be, and have been brainwashed by media.
There are reasons that politicians and negotiators say what they say in the moment, it's about getting the deal done. That's all. No other reason. It's politics and business. It's a negotiation.
Media sources blow stuff way out of proportion to sell their audiences - both sides do it.
Grow up and think like the intelligent adult you claim to be.
If you truly believe that the right, or far right is in love with Putin, you are not the centrist you claim to be, and have been brainwashed by media..
Your boy Tucker disagrees. he even pulls his speaking points straight out of Putin speeches.
There are reasons that politicians and negotiators say what they say in the moment, it's about getting the deal done. That's all. No other reason. It's politics and business. It's a negotiation.
It is often said that the true art of diplomacy is saying; "Nice Doggy, Good Doggy", to a vicious dog until you can find a rock big enough to crush it's skull.
It is not "deflection" when I show Tucker Carlson carrying water for Putin and actually claiming to be on his side. Tucker's is one of the most popular spokesmen for the far rigth. Weren't you the one who started this thread about him and how great he is?
As long as the Donald like Putin then a good portion of the rigth will support Putin over the interests of the United Sates. There is already a growing group of Republican congressmen (Marjory Taylor Green, Andy Biggs, Thomas Massey) who vote in favor of Russia on just about every bill involving sanctions, trade limitations, or even documenting war crimes committed by the Russians in Ukraine. Republican Presidential Candidate Vivek Ramaswamy is also a fan of Putin over Ukraine.
Originally posted by olejoedad: There are reasons that politicians and negotiators say what they say in the moment, it's about getting the deal done. That's all. No other reason. It's politics and business. It's a negotiation.
There was no "deal". Trump supported Putin yet got zero concessions from him on anything.
Trump did not like Ukraine because he believes a crazy conspiracy theory about Ukraine possessing the hacked server from the DNC. It is a debunked claim with zero evidnce to support it. Trump's own hand-picked Russia expert Fiona Hill called it a "politically driven falsehoods that clearly advances Russian interests." Yet the Trump supporters continue to "believe through faith" that it is true. They don't need evidence. They have the word of their master.
If you truly believe that the right, or far right is in love with Putin, you are not the centrist you claim to be, and have been brainwashed by media.
There are reasons that politicians and negotiators say what they say in the moment, it's about getting the deal done. That's all. No other reason. It's politics and business. It's a negotiation.
Media sources blow stuff way out of proportion to sell their audiences - both sides do it.
Grow up and think like the intelligent adult you claim to be.
You finally went back on the thread topic, I'm impressed. Tucker is an independent journalist, he reports on what he wants to, not what the 'world-think' reports spew. Even with you, within every lie there is some smattering of truth. You're free to believe the lies that you want to believe, just don't expect everyone to believe them as well.
Reread the last line of my quoted text. Then read it again.
You're free to believe the lies that you want to believe, just don't expect everyone to believe them as well. .
I don't expect anyone here to believe my "opinions".
That is why I post facts to back up my opinions.
And that is why you can not give a single example of a "lie" that I believe. All you will be able to do is post one of your "opinions" that I don't agree with.
For over a century, Tsarist, Soviet and now Russian Federation authorities have used antisemitism to discredit, divide, and weaken their perceived adversaries at home and abroad. Today, Kremlin officials and Russia’s state-run or state-controlled media spread conspiracy theories, fueling antisemitism intended to deceive the world about its war against Ukraine. These tactics build on a long tradition of exploiting antisemitism to create division and discontent.
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I quote statistics. I give direct quotes of what people have actually said. I give historical accounts of things that actually happened. These are not "opinions"
I am interested to hear how exactly you define the difference between "opinion" and "fact"? Does it have to do with the actual substance of what is said, or does it just depend on if you agree with it or not?
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All of these "astroturf" pro-terrorism rallies taking place across the USA are the real "Russian collusion". Leftist enable it as a form of election interference.
So, here are a couple of Ruskies playing a Boogie-Woogie about the place where I was born.
Edit: You don't often see someone who is not American who has "The Boogie in her bones" the way this girl does.
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perhaps a bit less dangerous in the nut-con's dis-info selections
and a bit of introspection in the HARM DONE by crazy ideas and less others interventions would result
but this is the [f] -ucker loves putin thread and we know your love for -ucker and also for putin just like marg the trailer park green the she-NUT-CON putin lover a new front runner for the dog killers spot now rejected for dog killing
if the truth sets one free the lie enslaves the maga cult and they still love -ucker and putin as much as the rump
sick evil dark cult who wants and demands the RIGHT TO LIE
he trusts putin is not that self proof of deception but not his own agents
deep state who why when where what he said it but no proof of any deep anything in a real fact or results ever stolen election with out the data pictures people places let alone a single trial or conviction while the real people who did real actions as seen on tape to stop the official count on 1-6 are tryed and convicted or plead out in mass the rump calls hostages
he trusts putin is not that self proof of deception but not his own agents
deep state who why when where what he said it but no proof of any deep anything in a real fact or results ever stolen election with out the data pictures people places let alone a single trial or conviction while the real people who did real actions as seen on tape to stop the official count on 1-6 are tryed and convicted or plead out in mass the rump calls hostages
but you see none and spead all the lying BS
"he trusts putin" So, are you admitting that Trump doesn't really trust Putin?
"he trusts putin" So, are you admitting that Trump doesn't really trust Putin?
"stolen election" This is not a lie.
you can't read 3 dam words withOUT twisting spinning and lies the nazi-pig trump supports the nazi-pig putin and his war
the rump has said he will stop the war in favor of putin sorry but stop lying about putin no more folk songs or other BS we know what that means
the BIG LIE is the stolen election yes the GOP is a thief they stole 2000 and 2016 with less votes and expected to do it again in 2020 and the tryed on 1-6 to steal it again
if the Gop drops the lying they got nothing at all
Trump was smart enought to NOT trust the intelligence agencies advice, as we have come to learn...
You don't get it. He trusted PUTIN over our intelligence angencies and that has proven to be a big mistake.
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Originally posted by olejoedad: Research how much disinformation the 'intellegenc' agency leaders have fed the American public.
You could start with the Steele dossier and move on to Hunters laptop......
US intelligence did not feed the public any disinformation about the Steele Dossier.
And the only people feeding disinformation about the Hunter Biden laptop are the people on the right who claim in contains evidence of corruption by Joe Biden. The US intelligence agencies warned that it could be "misinformation" because it came from a pro-Trump source immediately before the election. And in a way they were right. Many people on the right are still convinced that the laptop contained damaging material that could have hurt Joe Biden in the election. That is how powerful propaganda and misinformation can be.
