Fred is an extremist. When he hears "small government" his simple mind sees anarchy. As much as he claims to be the absolute center of human knowledge, he cannot comprehend moderation.
The American revolution cast out a monarchy and replaced it with a limited government. That is the answer to Fred's incessant "But why? Why? Why?"
Originally posted by BingB: If I am wrong then tell me how we get the border under control without any government action. I am really anxious to hear this.
A couple of bullets will get it under control. Works on my property.
Originally posted by BingB: Again you show the obvious signs of right-wing programming.
"Migrants and refugees" are not "illegal immigrants". That is just right-wing propaganda.
Again the people on these planes are asylum seekers. They are not "illegal immigrants".
More right-wing propaganda.
Fred, none of us here are dumb. Why do you pretend that we are?
Yes, I realize that under "current language" illegals are the people who get past border patrol and are not processed. You know that's not what I'm talking about. We're talking about the 11 million NEW people that have come into this country through our open borders. The ONLY thing that's changed is that Joe Biden now lets them in, and processes them. That "technically" makes them asylum seekers and refugees (or allegedly so) for the purpose of their upcoming court dates, which are being set (in some cases) more than a decade away.
But here you are, trying to argue semantics. All of these people are considered "illegal aliens" as society understands them to be. Just because Biden is granting them temporary asylum and refugee status (until the courts decide otherwise), does not mean that they are actually not still illegal aliens invading our country. "Changing language" is something that Democrats always do to shift and change the narrative.
I've literally never seen anyone so caught up in Democrat narrative as you are. We have 11 million new people (just the ones who have been processed and released, which Biden calls refugees) that are now eligible for medicaid and food stamps. How do you expect the country to pay for this?
You blame Congress... for what? So they can get judges to grant them asylum? So now they have green cards, so what? They're still going to be on welfare, and now they'll flood the employment market in a market that is ever-decreasing, that should be for young people to get their first job, and for people who want a part-time job.
Man, the things you say are just so asinine. It's like either you're retarded, or you think the rest of us are and you're just evil.
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Originally posted by BingB:
Can not reinstate the Migrant Protection Protocols ("stay in Mexico") without the consent of Mexico and they no longer consent. But I'll bet the US could get them to consent if we wanted them to.
Not sure if this is the answer, but something has to be done. This immigration issue is out of control. Congress needs to step up and do something.
Um, yes... we can reinstate the migrant protection protocols. You literally just do not let them cross the border. Shoot them with rubber bullets, and tear gas until they turn back. Build a border wall. Mexico dealt with Trump because Trump didn't let them cross, and then these illegals (at that time, simply migrants because they hadn't crossed yet) were holing up on the Mexico side, creating a humanitarian crisis for Mexico... and they quickly had to enforce their own southern border. Obama mostly worked with Mexico, and had a good rapport with them. Trump outright threatened them. They hated it, but they were forced to deal with it and it worked well. Biden has been feckless. Either he wants illegals in this country (which is obvious to me), or he's scared to actually deal with Obrador.
Either way, I don't even know why I'm talking to you. Your opinion matters so little, and it's honestly a waste of my time because you'll support whatever Democrat talking points are thrown at you... like "Congress needs to do something." Lol... they want congress to hire more judges so they can simply approve more asylum seekers. That doesn't actually stop the problem. You are a moron, or you think everyone else is. You decide...
I'm not... everyone has a mother and a father, or did. Everyone is a human being. They are there because the Democrats and evil globalists like Schwab and Soros view them as useful idiots for their own personal cause, and manipulated them into going there. That doesn't mean we can let them in, but we shouldn't want to kill them. We have to be better than that.
What we need to do is start using tear gas and rubber bullets, and actually put up walls.
People respect something much more when they've had to work for it... and getting a U.S. citizenship is something that was supposed to be hard to get.
Right now... Canada has waaaaay more strict immigration laws. You have to prove all kinds of things, like you'll be totally self sufficient, and then have to claim fealty to the crown.
The guy that's foolish enough to crawl through my window in the middle of the night has a mommy and daddy too. Illegal entry is illegal entry.
Look, i get it. The difference is... it would be like if your wife was telling people to come into your house, and only YOU were the one who didn't want them to.
E.g., Biden has made it abundantly clear, even with a wink and a nod when Kamala says... "Border is closed... ha ha... border is closed." They know that Biden and the Democrats are letting them in. So can you really blame them? It's Biden and Democrats that are directly responsible for this. You can't fault a bunch of broke ass mofos for wanting to get free stuff and the possibility of a better life... it's only human nature.
Originally posted by randye: Coming from someone that has demonstrated his ignorance of Christianity over and over again, your word's don't mean anything.
It's like the Clintons trying to lecture us on ethics and honesty.
I do not believe it do not mistake that for ignorance I have read the buybull from page 1 of the fantasy to the evil end trees with fruit made of star stuff before the stars are made to the hoped and preyed for kill them all ending
just more lies that the right feeds on truth could kill them but they sure do love lying scum and cults
guess you never will admit how much the rump grifted from you sad the fake billionaire has to grift from the poorest rural's the very ones who need the little they have o well guess they would just give it to some preacher other wise your cult does attract the dependably deplorably dummies in mass the ones who can't tell a nazi from a christian nationalist with a chart
Governments kill people all the time. Better to kill the invaders than have the invaders kill our citizens. Why does our government assist the murdering invaders?
Governments kill people all the time. Better to kill the invaders than have the invaders kill our citizens. Why does our government assist the murdering invaders?
and the percent OF LEGAL IMMIGRANTS that actually kills is so small as to be a nothing burger of extreme hate BY RWNJ'S
you accuse me of hating your evil deeds PLANS AND IDEALS but you are 100% retro stinking thinking ''any dead Indian is a good Indian'' with the rump cult that normal people knew was WRONG 200 YEARS AGO
YOUR SIDE CLAIMS TO BE SAVED BUT WANTS TO KILL OTHERS SOMETHING IS WRONG THERE
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Originally posted by BingB: "Migrants and refugees" are not "illegal immigrants". That is just right-wing propaganda.
Migrants migrate "legally". They are not refugees. They are illegal aliens.
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Originally posted by BingB: Democrats do not support illegal immigrants. They support the rights of people to lawfully seek asylum in the United States.
First you said they were not illegal immigrants. Now you say they are, ?
First you said they were not illegal immigrants. Now you say they are, ?
It is clear you know nothing about url=https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158]asylum law[/url].
This is actually something really important and "key" that you've picked up on. This was not really a discussion point until just a year ago... we all generally considered people coming across the border who are not citizens, and didn't already have a green card or VISA issued to them by a consulate or embassy ... as illegals. The exception would be that we considered some people as "refugees" who came from war-torn countries. Specifically, in U.S. law, refugees are people who:
"...is unable or unwilling to return to his or her home country because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution due to race, membership in a particular social group, political opinion, religion, or national origin."
Under no circumstance is there such a thing as a provision for "economic refugee" in our current laws.
But on to the point I want to make. Lately, and really just within the past year, the Democrats have ... once again, tried to change the language. This is one of the tactics they always use to change the narrative when things aren't working for them. You can tell who's a radical leftist because they jump right in and support the change in language. In this case, they no longer refer to "illegal alien," even though there's nothing offensive about that term, it's a legal term, and alien does not mean "from outer space." Illegal means that they did not come through legal channels.
The Democrats now define all of these border crossers as "migrants," and consider them all "refugees." The overwhelming vast majority of them will likely be denied refugee status. This is (in part), why most of the court cases have been issued out years... and decades in some cases. This new claim that Democrats have been pushing that "congress needs to do something!!!" is more of this nonsense. We were doing just fine under Trump when we simply blocked the border and forced people to come in the right way. But Democrats put into that bill everything from a change in language as to what a refugee constituted, as well as hiring of more judges and border patrol people.
But for what benefit? This is where it gets totally ridiculous. This law that was pending did absolutely nothing about "stopping" people from coming across the border. It merely sought to hire more border patrol agents to process them as they came into the country, and hired more judges to adjudicate their refugee status. It also sought to spend MORE taxpayer money (which we do not have) to fund transportation, lodging, and alleviate some of the burdens that many of these Democrat states / cities are dealing with as they're overrun with illegal aliens.
Defense 1 for dealing with the backlash, is to change the language. And while Fred won't come right out and admit it, he's trying to be slick by circumventing what he views as an illegal and what he views as a refugee. With the exception of some of the people coming from Haiti over the past month, none of these people are refugees.
So Joe, you'd be willing to set up in a border tower and shoot little kids trying to cross the border with their parents? Really? That's your takeaway from the Bible? Do you not comprehend how sick and disgusting that makes you sound? I don't agree much with Todd in this section of PFF, but at least it appears like he's got some ethics and compassion.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
...everyone has a mother and a father, or did. Everyone is a human being... That doesn't mean we can let them in, but we shouldn't want to kill them. We have to be better than that.
So your good with an invasion force that murders your fellow citizens? Would you defend your neighbor if they were being attacked? Would you lay down you life for your country?
So your good with an invasion force that murders your fellow citizens? Would you defend your neighbor if they were being attacked? Would you lay down you life for your country?
I understand the point you're making, but you can't just shoot people who are trying to get into the country. A nice big wall and tear-gas would solve all those problems. If they're trying to break into your house and attack you, then yes... but the people you should be upset with are the Democrats for intentionally wanting to destroy this country. You can't blame the impoverished masses for wanting the opportunity that the Democrats are giving them (which isn't theirs to give).
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Originally posted by ray b:
far too many would lay down their life or someone else's life for a RUMP
So your good with an invasion force that murders your fellow citizens? Would you defend your neighbor if they were being attacked? Would you lay down you life for your country?
That's your reasoning for shooting-dead little kids ... whose only crime is being with their parents, who in turn are only looking for a better life for themselves and their children? Please don't post that baloney again about "Ten rules from God". There's obviously a very wide interpretation of those rules allowed (by you and like-minded individuals) which makes them completely and utterly bogus.
Yes, there needs to be safeguards in place to prevent unauthorized crossing of international borders... but implementing the death penalty for families just seeking a better life is barbaric to say the least. Geez, why not set up gas chambers along the border? Would cut down on all that racket from automatic weapons fire.
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You're the one that brought up little kids and families.
Why would one shoot a kid, or a mother?
How Leftist of you to immediately go to extremes.
Shoot a few coyotes and drug mules and watch the numbers of people of all types go down. It would then be much safer to go to an entry portal, wouldn't it?
You're the one that brought up little kids and families.
Why would one shoot a kid, or a mother?
Backtracking now, eh? So what is it, only single adult males who are crossing the border? Sure, uh huh.
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Originally posted by olejoedad:
How Leftist of you to immediately go to extremes.
You've openly admitted to being "good" with shooting people crossing the border, yet you accuse me of going to "extremes"?!! Wow. How very Christian of you to advocate for the cold-blooded murder of people who are only seeking refuge from extreme poverty.
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Originally posted by olejoedad:
BTW, you didn't answer any of my three legitimate questions.
I saw no "legitimate questions" that pertained to this immediate discussion.
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Not backtracking at all, I was baiting and you swallowed the lure.
You suggested women and children (how extreme is that?) and I said coyotes and drug mules - real criminals, then you blew that into single males. Reading comprehension problems, or CYA for the comment suggesting innocent's as targets? Hmmmmm.
The questions are legitimate for a person who is not totally self absorbed, you know - people who look out for their neighbors, are willing to fight and/or die for their country - so I can project what type of person you really are.
As far as your comments attacking my faith? I see what side of that line you are on as well.
Joe... you can dance around this all you like, but your BS is not fooling anybody... anybody with a conscience that is. Your "faith" is a joke, a bad one.
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Originally posted by olejoedad:
Not backtracking at all, I was baiting and you swallowed the lure.
You suggested women and children (how extreme is that?) and I said coyotes and drug mules - real criminals, then you blew that into single males. Reading comprehension problems, or CYA for the comment suggesting innocent's as targets? Hmmmmm.
The questions are legitimate for a person who is not totally self absorbed, you know - people who look out for their neighbors, are willing to fight and/or die for their country - so I can project what type of person you really are.
As far as your comments attacking my faith? I see what side of that line you are on as well.
But here you are, trying to argue semantics. All of these people are considered "illegal aliens" as society understands them to be
No. "Society" does not consider every single immigrant to this country to be an "illegal alien". You just believe that way because all you are exposed to is right-wing rhetoric. What you call "society" is actually just a ballon of like minded people.
You can't just play make-believe with the definitions of words.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I've literally never seen anyone so caught up in Democrat narrative as you are.
All I have done here is criticize the current immigration policy. I have no idea what you are talking about.
This new claim that Democrats have been pushing that "congress needs to do something!!!" is more of this nonsense. We were doing just fine under Trump when we simply blocked the border and forced people to come in the right way.
Trump could not do anything to control the border problem until Covid hit. His THIRD year in office (2019) we had the most border crossings in 15 years. He used the covid crisis to pass Title 42 as an emergency measure, but the Suprem Court has blocked Republicans attempts to re-instate Title 42 now that the pandemic has passed.
we all generally considered people coming across the border who are not citizens, and didn't already have a green card or VISA issued to them by a consulate or embassy ... as illegals. .
Because that is what you were trained to do by the right-wing media, but it shows how little you really understand about the issue. About half of the "undocumented " i.e. "illegal immigrants" in the United State today entered the country legally and obtained valid work visas. No "wall" or "fence" will fix this problem.
And if we institute a "zero legal immigration" policy our country is doomed because our birth rate will not sustain our population.
Fred, I don't listen to, watch, or read right-wing media. You keep saying this. You know I've already said this. I don't even watch the news. I don't have time.
Again... I'm really tired of how intellectually retarded you've become. The 11 million people who've come across the border in the past 3 years... they are illegals. You're using LEFT-WING RADICAL terminology. They are not refugees. Only a very small number of them are actually refugees. I literally quoted immigration law.
You really, really are a dumbass... and I don't mind resorting to names because you're so ****ing retarded that you just keep repeating the same stupid **** over and over. I quoted actual law.
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Do you not comprehend how sick and disgusting that makes you sound? I don't agree much with Todd in this section of PFF, but at least it appears like he's got some ethics and compassion.
Wow. How very Christian of you to advocate for the cold-blooded murder of people who are only seeking refuge from extreme poverty. 
