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I am still reviewing your link. |
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To give you due consideration I did review your link. I tried and do believe that I did it with an open mind but, of course, my preconceived beliefs do factor in.
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The truth you are seeking can only be found by yourself, arguing with me or any other person will not bring it to you........
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I absolutely agree and I do not mean to argue your religion. As like me, only you can find the truth. You did however state...... :
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I am a Christian also, I just so happen to be raised as a Roman Catholic Christian. When I was in High School I even belonged to a Bible discussion group in which we discussed Christian theology.
Notice the article says "to understand, test, critique, defend or promote Christianity." The article also says to help reform it.
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I will make some points. Please do not take them as ridicule even though I might make some ridiculous comparisons. I see that you were raised Roman Catholic. I guess that you went to a Roman Catholic high school ? Can you say indoctrinated ? Perhaps your distrust of all of the Bible and all of your church's teachings is man's fault, the fault of your church. Perhaps your distrust is God's way of having you seek the truth. Jesus did say "
I am the way, the
truth, and the light".
| | | quote | Originally posted by avengador1:
Since you said you do not practice any religion I was wondering if you realize that most religions would condemn you for doing so. Is that why you are bitter about religion?
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I really am not bitter about religion. Skeptical, yes. You mention that most religions would condemn me for not practicing a religion. The Muslim religion will condemn (to death) those that practice a different religion. The Roman Catholic religion did condemn (not marry) your Protestant mother unless she converted. That is not in the Bible.
I did say that I do not practice a religion. Which is sort of untrue. Nondenominational or interdenominational worship is in fact a religion of sorts. To have an honest discourse, I must also point out that I do not attend church every Sunday or read my Bible every day. Things I suggested you do. I also have to say that I do not follow all of my teachings (according to my wife). Such as giving respect to those that are put in charge of me. I believe that I do but I do not hesitate to tell my boss to get bent when I feel it fits.
| | | quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Link it again, por favor. |
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What I read there seemed to be a philosophy which used some Bible passages to support it. The Bible can be used to say many things. Not only did I read that page of your link, I went to other pages that had linkies. I saw the same thing. Not to say some of what I read I did not agree with, but, generally, it is a biased link.
For example..... :
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The Baltimore Catechism, question 223, confirms this by teaching: "We do not pray to the crucifix or to the images and relics of the saints, but to the persons they represent."
The faith of the Church is that the saints are not really dead, but are fully alive in Jesus Christ, who is life itself (John 11:25; 14:6) and the bread of life who bestows life on all who eat his flesh and drink his blood (John 6:35, 48, 51, 53-56). The saints are alive in heaven because of the life they have received through their faith in Christ Jesus and through their eating of his body and blood.
Because they are alive, we believe that we can go to them to intercede for us with God.
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To me this means that I can pray to my dear departed Uncle Billy Bob, or, to my very much alive Uncle Bubba, both who would also be alive in Christ.
