No no no, aconesa. NOBODY wants to say you are sub-human, and I am sure Pyrthian didn't mean that literally...typing in a hurry..not thinking first...I am SURE he doesn't regard you as anything more than human, and I seriously doubt anybody else does either. In fact I am so sure of this, I bet the next post Pyrthian makes will redress this..I sure hope so As I have said before, your behaviour here has been exemplary, and again I applaud you for that Nick
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Originally posted by aconesa: Now I am not even considered human! Where are you getting your facts from? I am just like every other citizen of this country. I go to school to educate myself, work long hours to be independent and love my family and friends, just like all of the other members on this forum. You post a comment stating that I am not human! Truly, what is wrong with you?
I am thoughtless. and harsh. I speak (type?) without thinking. I editted the post. does not matter where the phrase sexual deviant started. at is accurate - and it also includes necrophelia & beastiality, if that makes ya feel any better. and, pulling lines out of context to make them appear even harsher dont help
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Originally posted by Pyrthian: homosexuality & pedophelia are both a mutation of this most basic backbone of life.
that is much different than me implying homos are mutants.
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Originally posted by fierofetish: No no no, aconesa. NOBODY wants to say you are sub-human, and I am sure Pyrthian didn't mean that literally...typing in a hurry..not thinking first...I am SURE he doesn't regard you as anything more than human, and I seriously doubt anybody else does either. In fact I am so sure of this, I bet the next post Pyrthian makes will redress this..I sure hope so As I have said before, your behaviour here has been exemplary, and again I applaud you for that Nick
lol - yes - thanks
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aconesa Member
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I thought we were all about putting a child's future WAYYYYY in front of fulfilling somebody's 'desire' or craving?, which isn't real anyway??
Nick
You need to add "in my opition" to your comment. Remember that someone's idea of what normal is does not always agree with everyone elses idea.
The only big difference between me and most men on this forum is that I love another man. Aside from that, we are very much alike. I am sure that most of us here work daily, unless everyone is wealthy. We spend time with our families (mothers, fathers, etc)
Your comment about not being real, I disagree with. When men hit middle age, there is usually a realization of inmortality. That is when the need to pass on knowledge and life experiences to someone takes over. There is a sense of wanting to leave a legacy. Please do some research, you will find that this is true for all men and women.
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I do not agree with all that the gay community does. Their intentions are good but at times the actions are not thought out carefully. As with any community, there are those that will start trouble and make it harder for some of that community to live a healthy and satisfying life without having to defend themselves.
Please keep in mind that I am currently 42 years old and have been dealing with the gay community for close to 30 years now.
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Originally posted by aconesa: ..... Your comment about not being real, I disagree with. When men hit middle age, there is usually a realization of inmortality. That is when the need to pass on knowledge and life experiences to someone takes over. There is a sense of wanting to leave a legacy. Please do some research, you will find that this is true for all men and women.
yup.... this is much of what I was trying to say in my rant of a post. it comes in many forms - the most famous of which is the female "biological clock". men have many more distractions, and often never even know they have it until it is to late. you will see it in couples who cant have children, in their "need to feel complete". this is a most basic instinct. and, noone should be denied.
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avengador1 Member
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If you whole heartedly believe the Bible then you accept that Jesus died on the cross for all of our sins, right? Homosexuality is a sin.
This isn't quite correct. Jesus died so that our sins may be forgiven. The only sins that cannot be forgiven are mortal sins and I don't think homosexuality is one of those. I check and it only is considered a grave sin, but so are many other things.
Notice what it says about how other Christians shall treat them, "which all others must treat with compassion and sensitivity."
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Homosexual acts—Although it remains to be determined if homosexuality is a genetic, social or personal stigma, homosexual acts are condemned by God and can NEVER be approved by the Church (1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Genesis 19:1-29, Romans 1:24-27 and CCC 2357). If homosexuals are born with the condition, then they are called to live a life of Christian purity and chastity for the greater love of Christ. Such people can experience a life of trial, which all others must treat with compassion and sensitivity.
I see a few people here not doing so, what they are doing is called hatred and that is a grave sin itself.
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Hatred—Hatred of a neighbor is to deliberately wish him evil, and is thus a grave sin (CCC 2303 and Galatians 5:19-20).
Even I am guilty of grave sin. We all have our demons to fight but I know I will find forgiveness, just like the prodigal son did.
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The Third Commandment, "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy"
Deliberate failure of the Sunday obligation—The Christian Sunday (the Lord’s Day) celebrates the new life of the world born in Christ’s Resurrection. All humans have a duty, to praise God and give him thanks. Thus all Christians are bound to participate in the Mass, and must partake of the Eucharist at least on holy days of obligation. Deliberate failure to do this constitutes a grave sin (CCC 2181).
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You need to add "in my opition" to your comment. Remember that someone's idea of what normal is does not always agree with everyone elses idea.
The only big difference between me and most men on this forum is that I love another man. Aside from that, we are very much alike. I am sure that most of us here work daily, unless everyone is wealthy. We spend time with our families (mothers, fathers, etc)
Your comment about not being real, I disagree with. When men hit middle age, there is usually a realization of inmortality. That is when the need to pass on knowledge and life experiences to someone takes over. There is a sense of wanting to leave a legacy. Please do some research, you will find that this is true for all men and women.
Ok But I have to support my point about being heterosexual IS normal, because considerably more than 90% of the world's population is heterosexual, and therefore a large majority of the World's population believe they are normal, and so until that balance drops to 49%, then heterosexual is by that definition 'normal'. So it is more than my opinion, with respect .
Your comment about wishing to pass on life's experiences to somebody else is completely understandable, but to be honest, many childless older people will fulfil that wish by teaching and talking to nieces, nephews and other relatives. It is generally a one-way link between an adult and a child.And there is a preponderance of ALL children where that experience is totally irrelevant to them !! They don't want to know!! Don't ask...I have been there It is on a different plane from the natural ties that bind mothers and fathers and their their birth children.
I'm 62, so I am not speaking as somebody who hasn't lived through all these things. I really mean no disrespect, but I have 2 sons, one nearly as old as yourself, and another of 26. They have been very turbulent relationships with both . And they STILL don't want to listen to advice which is offered, not thrust down their throats I offer it as a gift, which they can reject without recrimination...unlike the relationship between my father and myself Nick
I cannot beleive what I am reading. At least with an adoption process that are applications and home visits. In addition to financial investigations. It is clear in this country that if you are not qualified, you will not be allowed to adopt a needy child. But on the other hand, there are many unqualified married couples that just keep having more children and have not means of supporting their family financial and other ways.
What exactly are you trying to say?
Just because Dave is constantly spending more money on the fieros than he does on the kids......
Anyway, I have to agree with Dave's earlier post on this topic.... Why should straight couples be the only ones to go through the joys and hardships of parenting?
Why shouldn't an established gay couple be able to provide a nurturing home for an otherwise unwanted child? Parents, gay or straight, teach their children how to handle differences in society. There are too many children being raised with racism or prejudice or just a lack of acceptance for difference.
Change the things you can, and accept the things you can't.....
Just because one's ideas are different from another's ideas doesn't mean their wrong.
Just my thoughts....
Joey
(married to the guy with the gay orange fiero)
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aconesa Member
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Originally posted by avengador1: This isn't quite correct. Jesus died so that our sins may be forgiven. The only sins that cannot be forgiven are mortal sins and I don't think homosexuality is one of those. I check and it only is considered a grave sin, but so are many other things.
I almost gave up on you, not worth my time, . We are all mortals. So now, you are saying, unsupported by the Bible, that there are grave sins, mortal sins, don't stop there. Are there any more sins ? Notice I did. Your source. Catholic, ;rolleyes:. I feel the same about any religion but, Catholic ? As suggested, you need to find another Church. Praying to Mary (The Virgin Mary). Praying to the patron saints, . Why do that since you can pray directly to GOD ? "Put no other gods before me". What is a Pope? Something a church made up. Jesus did die so our sins would be forgiven. I am gonna go out and rob a bank this afternoon. You are free to believe what you want. Everyone is. To support their beliefs of the Bible with a Catholic viewpoint........not right, . No matter what sin a man commits, it will not be forgiven unless he asks for it to be forgiven. Forgiveness comes with repentance.
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I almost gave up on you, not worth my time, . We are all mortals. So now, you are saying, unsupported by the Bible, that there are grave sins, mortal sins, don't stop there. Are there any more sins ? Notice I did. Your source. Catholic, ;rolleyes:. I feel the same about any religion but, Catholic ? As suggested, you need to find another Church. Praying to Mary (The Virgin Mary). Praying to the patron saints, . Why do that since you can pray directly to GOD ? "Put no other gods before me". What is a Pope? Something a church made up. Jesus did die so our sins would be forgiven. I am gonna go out and rob a bank this afternoon. You are free to believe what you want. Everyone is. To support their beliefs of the Bible with a Catholic viewpoint........not right, . No matter what sin a man commits, it will not be forgiven unless he asks for it to be forgiven. Forgiveness comes with repentance.
The Cathlics.........................Ask one WHO they pray to. Kinda different aint it?
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avengador1 Member
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That is a true statement, but you have to be truly repentant to be forgiven. If you aren't repentant, you cannot be forgiven. There are two levels of sinning. If you commit a mortal sin it won't matter if you are repentant, because you cannot be forgiven. That is why I provided the link I did, as it explains this. It even states where in the Bible you can find this information, so my statements are supported by the Bible. I have to ask you CliffW, do you have something against the Bible or is it the fact that I am a Roman Catholic? What is wrong with a Catholic viewpoint of the Bible? Who or what religion do you think it was written for? What religion do you practice? Every time you try to mention something about the Bible you seem to have your facts wrong. Why don't you submit some quotes and passages and their Bible sources like I have. Maybe then I can believe what you are trying to say.
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Jesus did die so our sins would be forgiven. I am gonna go out and rob a bank this afternoon. You are free to believe what you want. Everyone is. To support their beliefs of the Bible with a Catholic viewpoint........not right, .
Let me put it in a simple way, so you may understand what is so wrong about your statement above. What would Jesus do? I don't think he would approve of you knowingly robbing a bank and then asking for his forgiveness. You wouldn't get it.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess CliffW is Protestant. That's Ok, my mother and her parents were prostestant too. My mother converted to Catholisism to marry my father and my mother's parents stayed Protestant. Here is an article explaning why it is OK to pray to saints and it even includes relevant Bible quotes. http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1990/9007chap.asp
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Originally posted by avengador1: Let me put it in a simple way, so you may understand what is so wrong about your statement above. What would Jesus do? I don't think he would approve of you knowingly robbing a bank and then asking for his forgiveness. You wouldn't get it.
nope - need a little more: knowingly robbing the bank with intentions of asking forgiveness afterwards does not workout. because it is all in the "intentions". you can rob a bank, and even kill people while doing. and, later learn "they way", and ask forgiveness. and - it really is NOT up to us to figure out these rules. because rules on paper will NEVER cover all the bases. it is all in the "heart". and only you and god can know and judge what is in your "heart".
and - this is also one of the sticky points with "the gays". because "the church" deems the act sinful - it shows no repentance to continue to perform "the act".
so - why would god make people gay? and why does god consider "gay" to be a sin? most of the other sins make sense - this one dont. could it be because god knows "men lying with men" will NEVER be "all OK"? sorry - this is NOT like accepting blacks as equals. but - I still dont see the "sinful" aspect of it. we already have the sin of "lust" - this covers much. but not gay.
ah, now I see it. always helps to spell it out. boy - rough stuff. men & women who are sterile (knowingly) are not allowed to have sex. sex with no possibility of reproduction is a sin. because it is nothing but lust. even a husband and wife. nice. thats what you are up against.
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Originally posted by avengador1: Why don't you submit some quotes and passages and their Bible sources like I have.
Umm, are you talking about one thing ? A Passage would be a Bible source, yes ? Would a quote be the same thing ?
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Originally posted by avengador1: That is a true statement, but you have to be truly repentant to be forgiven. If you aren't repentant, you cannot be forgiven.
One could not be repentant if he did not recognize the sin, eh ?
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Originally posted by avengador1: There are two levels of sinning. If you commit a mortal sin it won't matter if you are repentant, because you cannot be forgiven.
Two levels of sin ? That is in the Bible ? What is a mortal sin ?
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Originally posted by avengador1: That is why I provided the link I did, as it explains this.
To be honest, I am not sure what link you are referring to. I have seen Wikipedia, Catholic source links, and a whole days worth of reading cut and paste of the Bible.
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Originally posted by avengador1: It even states where in the Bible you can find this information, so my statements are supported by the Bible.
I can tell you where in the Bible that it says to take the tithe money and go out and buy beer. The Bible can be said to say anything. You do not find information in the Bible, the Holy Ghost interprets for us. Without the Holy Ghost, all bets are off.
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Originally posted by avengador1: I have to ask you CliffW, do you have something against the Bible or is it the fact that I am a Roman Catholic? What is wrong with a Catholic viewpoint of the Bible? Who or what religion do you think it was written for?
Against the Bible, , NO. Are you asking me if I have something against you because you are Roman Catholic ? NO ! Do I have something against Roman Catholics ? Yes ! Baptists also. All religions.
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Originally posted by avengador1: What religion do you practice?
I do not practice one.
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Originally posted by avengador1: Every time you try to mention something about the Bible you seem to have your facts wrong.
It would not be beyond me. Are you sure it is every time, . Please keep me from misunderstanding. I am seeking the truth.
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Originally posted by avengador1: Why don't you submit some quotes and passages and their Bible sources like I have.
I did quote this already. I don't need you to believe me. I can not let your religion be fact. Any thought that you would like to discuss, I would be happy to examine my views.
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Originally posted by avengador1: Let me put it in a simple way, so you may understand what is so wrong about your statement above. What would Jesus do? I don't think he would approve of you knowingly robbing a bank and then asking for his forgiveness. You wouldn't get it.
I do get it. My statement was as absurd as yours. Jesus died for our sins, as you used it.
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Originally posted by avengador1: I'm going to go out on a limb and guess CliffW is Protestant. That's Ok, my mother and her parents were prostestant too. My mother converted to Catholisism to marry my father and my mother's parents stayed Protestant.
Thanks for showing some spine. You are wrong. I am not Protestant. I am non-denominational or interdenominational. I find it ironic, considering the thread topic, that your Mom had to convert to a different religion to get married. Your Mother's parents should have to convert also, ? Now, I ha
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Originally posted by avengador1: I'm going to go out on a limb and guess CliffW is Protestant. That's Ok, my mother and her parents were prostestant too. My mother converted to Catholisism to marry my father and my mother's parents stayed Protestant.
Thanks for showing some spine. You are wrong. I am not Protestant. I am non-denominational or interdenominational. I find it ironic, considering the thread topic, that your Mom had to convert to a different religion to get married. Your Mother's parents should have to convert also, ? Now, I have to ask Jaygee. What religion are you ?
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avengador1 Member
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The Ninth Commandment—"You shall not covet…your neighbor’s wife"
Lust—Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. It is disordered because sexual pleasure must not be isolated from its true, natural place: within the Sacrament of Matrimony that is ordered to procreation of children and a unifying love between husband and wife (CCC 2351). Lust, a sin and vice of the flesh, is often a difficult vice to overcome. Human weakness of will and lack of conformity to God is a result of the fall of mankind that causes a disorder between soul and body (called concupiscence) which is often manifested in lust. Yet, lust is a sin that can be overcome through prayer and grace through the Christian sacraments. Christ wills that we overcome lust and replace it with Christian love and purity of heart (Matthew 9:28). "Blessed are the pure of heart, for they shall see God" (Matthew 5:8).
That's from the link I provided above. I believe that if you are truly repentant, any sin can be forgiven, but it has to be repentance for the right reasons, not only to avoid eternal damnation.
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cliffw Member
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In case anyone hasn't been reading the other threads, my views are not 100% those of the church or the Bible. I believe most of the teachings but some just leave me scratching my head trying to figure them out. These are the ones I think that men have introduced themselves and that is why they seem subjective.
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The Lust quote was for someone else. Thanks for answering my question about what religion you practice, I didn't realize that you didn't practice any. I was wondering what was wrong with you, because I thought you did, this explains many things. You seem to believe in God, so that isn't be bad. I actually believe that we all ultimately pray to the same God, no matter what religion we practice or what name we give him. The truth you are seeking can only be found by yourself, arguing with me or any other person will not bring it to you, as I don't know what path you are trying to take. I can only offer the path that I was taught and this might not be acceptable to you. Sometimes it isn't acceptable to me, too. I do know if you believe in God, that his son Jesus died so our sins can be forgiven, and the holy spirit is God's way of living within us and guiding us, you are on your way. Everything else can be argued till everyone is blue in the face and not solve anything.
My mother having to convert was required, so that she could marry in a Catholic church. It wasn't a religious requirement, but a Church one. It didn't matter what religion her parents were and they didn't have to convert, only her. The religions are virtually identical as the Protestant religion branched off from the Catholic religion. This is another one of the screwy rules religions have and it isn't only the Catholic religion.
You don't have to take my religion for the one true religion, as you don't believe in it. My Church would have had me torture you at one time, until you converted, but they have changed a bit with the times. You have to find what you feel in your heart is true. I happen to feel mine is true to me, warts and all.
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cliffw Member
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Originally posted by avengador1: ....my views are not 100% those of the church or the Bible. I believe most of the teachings but some just leave me scratching my head trying to figure them out. These are the ones I think that men have introduced themselves and that is why they seem subjective.
Believe most ? Most ? You can not believe most of the Bible. It is all or none. Religion....?.....all bets are off. I am still reviewing your link.
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Voytek Member
Posts: 1924 From: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Registered: Jan 2001
Are you not concerned about protecting children from straight pedophiles?
Gay or straight has nothing to do with pedophilia. There are both gay and straight pedophiles, as well as black, white, latino, asian, Jewish, Muslim, Christian, Athiest, etc. None of these things has anything to do with pedophilia. Except maybe the Catholic church.
It's all about minimizing the risk. And don't bring the church into this conversation. A jewish rabbi was 'accused' of molestation not that long ago in Calgary. Apparently this wasn't the first such case. I'm sure the ACCUSATIONS happen often but I don't want to go that way with this thread because most of them are never proven and many times about BIG BIG payouts and nothing more.
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avengador1 Member
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Believe most ? Most ? You can not believe most of the Bible. It is all or none.
Therein lies my problem, I cannot believe it all, I am not a sheeple. Some things are just too incredulous to believe unless there were some mistakes made when they were written. I also am free to believe what I want to believe or not, just like you. Since you said you do not practice any religion I was wondering if you realize that most religions would condemn you for doing so. Is that why you are bitter about religion? If it is, you don't have to worry, unless you do believe that you somehow will be condemned.
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cliffw Member
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Originally posted by avengador1: Thanks for answering my question about what religion you practice, I didn't realize that you didn't practice any. I was wondering what was wrong with you, because I thought you did, this explains many things.
I didn't realize that I did not practice a particular religion either. Which explains why nothing is wrong with me. What gives you the impression that something is wrong with me ? I am often at work, many miles from home, I work the night shift and, sometimes, Sunday morning, I will go to a local church. Denomination not important to me. I pick my churches like my bars. Bigger ain't better. I have passed up the grand ole worship house and went instead to the other church. I have been the only white in a seemingly all black church. The Lord can still reach me, . And He does. Through me, He reaches others. Whenever I look for a house of God, I do not look for a denomination. I do not practice a religion. I try to practice Christianity.
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35468 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
I am a Christian also, I just so happen to be raised as a Roman Catholic Christian. When I was in High School I even belonged to a Bible discussion group in which we discussed Christian theology.
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Christian theology is discourse concerning Christian faith. Christian theologians use biblical exegesis, rational analysis and argument to understand, explain, test, critique, defend or promote Christianity. Theology might be undertaken to help the theologian understand Christianity more truly,[1] make comparisons between Christianity and other traditions,[2] defend Christianity against critics, facilitate Christianity's reform,[3] assist in the propagation of Christianity,[4] draw on the resources of the Christian tradition to address some present situation or need,[5] or for a variety of other reasons.
Christian theology has permeated much of Western culture, especially in pre-modern Europe.
Notice the article says "to understand, test, critique, defend or promote Christianity." The article also says to help reform it.
I guess our discussion has been around since the earliest times of Christianity.
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[edit] The history of Christian theology Main article: History of Christian theology
[edit] Early Christian theology The New Testament contains evidence of some of the earliest forms of reflection upon the meanings and implications of Christian faith, mostly in the form of guidance offered to Christian congregations on how to live a life consistent with their convictions – notably in the Pauline corpus and Johannine corpus.
A huge quantity of theological reflection emerged in the early centuries of the Christian church – in a wide variety of genres, in a variety of contexts, and in several languages – much of it the product of attempts to discuss how Christian faith should be lived in cultures very different from the one in which it was born. So, for instance, a good deal of the Greek language literature can be read as an attempt to come to terms with Hellenistic culture. The period sees the slow emergence of orthodoxy (the idea of which seems to emerge out of the conflicts between catholic Christianity and Gnostic Christianity), the establishment of a Biblical canon, debates about the doctrine of the Trinity (most notably between the councils of Nicaea in 325 and Constantinople in 381), about Christology (most notably between the councils of Constantinople in 381 and Chalcedon in 451), about the purity of the Church (for instance in the debates surrounding the Donatists), and about grace, free will and predestination (for instance in the debate between Augustine of Hippo and Pelagius).
Texts from patristic authors before 325 AD are collected in the Ante-Nicene Fathers.
Texts from patristic authors after 325 AD are collected in the Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers. Important theological debates also surrounded the various Ecumenical Councils – Nicaea in 325, Constantinople in 381, Ephesus in 431 and Chalcedon in 451 See also main articles on Patristics and Church Fathers.
Our religion is evolving, even if it is at a snails pace. It isn't written in stone (pardon the pun). So I guess these discussions will continue, even if they aren't between us.
Originally posted by avengador1: Since you said you do not practice any religion I was wondering if you realize that most religions would condemn you for doing so.
Actually, I do. Damn hypocrites, and, why should I care ?
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35468 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
I again quote these verses So that you may see where it says it
Leviticus 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination”
Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
OK but that still didn't answer the question.
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Since you are a believer then you know that God's law, on Judgement Day, will be absolute. You as well as everyone will be judged, straght, gay, and bi. Obviously there is no convincing you that, according to the Bible that you believe in, you aren't doing any wrong in being gay. You have taken your own interpritation of it saying "it says man laying with man and nothing about women". When the Bible says " man laying with mankind" it means male and female wether you accept it or not. If you whole heartedly believe the Bible then you accept that Jesus died on the cross for all of our sins, right? Homosexuality is a sin.
Paul
I know fully well God's law, and what my interpretation of it is. My judgement day will be between God and I, and no one else.
By the way, my 'interpretation' of the Bible, or at least what you are assuming my interpretation is, was taken completely out of context. If you're going to quote someone, make sure you do it right and don't put words into my mouth.
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Formula88 Member
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It's all about minimizing the risk. And don't bring the church into this conversation. A jewish rabbi was 'accused' of molestation not that long ago in Calgary. Apparently this wasn't the first such case. I'm sure the ACCUSATIONS happen often but I don't want to go that way with this thread because most of them are never proven and many times about BIG BIG payouts and nothing more.
Point well taken. Keep in mind that equating homosexuality with "risk" of pedophilia is the result of fear and ignorance - nothing more.
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kyunderdawg Member
Posts: 4373 From: Bowling Green, KY. USA Registered: Aug 2008
......"put words in my mouth", Jaygee79. This is the second time you said that I did this. What part am I putting words in your mouth?
If you are refering to what you said in this thread......."If you want to be technical about what the Bible says about gays, it only refers to gay MEN. It doesn't refer to women". YOUR EXACT WORDS How, if this is what you were talking about, could this sentence be taken out of context?
If you are refering to when I said you don't care if God cares, you abviously don't or you wouldn't be gay or be married to another woman.
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"Keep the Sabbath....." ('On the 7th day God rested...")
Man has not. 1st day of the week is Sunday. 7th day of the week is Saturday. Man changed it. (Sabbath)
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The Ninth Commandment—"You shall not covet…your neighbor’s wife"
Man changed that too. Earliest scripts say only "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's possessions" This was done to allow both the Church and the various Crowns to take what they wished without appearing to break one of God's Commandments. Coveting is the sin that will send more seemingly Rightous people to hell than all others combined.
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Jaygee79 Member
Posts: 4259 From: Dartmouth, MA Registered: Mar 2000
......"put words in my mouth", Jaygee79. This is the second time you said that I did this. What part am I putting words in your mouth?
If you are refering to what you said in this thread......."If you want to be technical about what the Bible says about gays, it only refers to gay MEN. It doesn't refer to women". YOUR EXACT WORDS How, if this is what you were talking about, could this sentence be taken out of context?
If you are refering to when I said you don't care if God cares, you abviously don't or you wouldn't be gay or be married to another woman.
That's exactly what I said. I did not say that my interpretation is that it's OK for women but not for men. I said that the reference is to men. It was merely an observation that I was pointing out. And whether I care or not is my concern, not yours.
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aconesa Member
Posts: 374 From: Trenton, New Jersey, USA Registered: Jun 2005
. We are all mortals. So now, you are saying, unsupported by the Bible, that there are grave sins, mortal sins, don't stop there. Are there any more sins ?
, NO. Are you asking me if I have something against you because you are Roman Catholic ? NO ! Do I have something against Roman Catholics ? Yes ! Baptists also. All religions.
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. And He does. Through me, He reaches others. Whenever I look for a house of God, I do not look for a denomination. I do not practice a religion. I try to practice Christianity.
