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GT Trunk seals by infinitewill
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Thank you Will. I will admit that I skipped the main page and just took a link straight to here, so I apologize for missing your PM to me. As I said in the PM, thanks for all you do for the Fiero community, and I hope you get some rest after your travels. I'll let you know when the seal arrives!
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Can't wait tho see them!
On the list 1st page.

Will be looking at first impressions too.
infinitewill, do you think the bonded corners will last over time?
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Originally posted by Indiana_resto_guy:

Can't wait tho see them!
On the list 1st page.

Will be looking at first impressions too.
infinitewill, do you think the bonded corners will last over time?


The plant that extrudes my stock is an OEM fabricator for both GM and Ford so I am going to have to bow to their expertise. When the original seals were designed and built super adhesives didn't exist so they basically melted a bunch of rubber into the corners. From what I can tell the main failure point is inside the trunk area along the long edges (but certainly not always). My corners are bonded with an adhesive that costs $68 an ounce (so it better freakin' work! ) the corners are sealed on the back side as well. Given that the original lasted about 20 years each I am not sure how much longer you could expect it to last. Rubber after all doesn't last forever but the compounds used today are far superior to what was on the market 20-25 years ago.

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Originally posted by infinitewill:


The plant that extrudes my stock is an OEM fabricator for both GM and Ford so I am going to have to bow to their expertise. When the original seals were designed and built super adhesives didn't exist so they basically melted a bunch of rubber into the corners. From what I can tell the main failure point is inside the trunk area along the long edges (but certainly not always). My corners are bonded with an adhesive that costs $68 an ounce (so it better freakin' work! ) the corners are sealed on the back side as well. Given that the original lasted about 20 years each I am not sure how much longer you could expect it to last. Rubber after all doesn't last forever but the compounds used today are far superior to what was on the market 20-25 years ago.

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Thanks for the prompt answer.
You are 100% correct on the failure points as I just did a temporary fix to one on all four sides on the internal edge. I don't think it will last for long. I have yet to see a factory seal fail at the corner.
Expect to see my order soon. Knowing that you do a boat load of travel for you real job, how many are you able to glue up when your at home (seems like weekends only if your lucky) and how long does it take to cure?
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Originally posted by Indiana_resto_guy:

Thanks for the prompt answer.
You are 100% correct on the failure points as I just did a temporary fix to one on all four sides on the internal edge. I don't think it will last for long. I have yet to see a factory seal fail at the corner.
Expect to see my order soon. Knowing that you do a boat load of travel for you real job, how many are you able to glue up when your at home (seems like weekends only if your lucky) and how long does it take to cure?


The bonding itself is only in a matter of minutes with the new adhesive now that the weather has warmed up, but I let it cure over night. The problem was getting precision jigs made up and having the raw footage on hand, both of which are now addressed. By the end of April I will have several finished seals on hand to fill orders on demand. I will make them up ahead of time as I already have the raw extrusion material.
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Get ready to spend every spare minute working on these. And it never stops.
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Get ready to spend every spare minute working on these. And it never stops.


LOL! Nobody would know better but you STU, I'm a great fan. Your stuff is better than OEM!
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sounds like these seals are better than oem too!
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Originally posted by DIY_Stu:

sounds like these seals are better than oem too!


Can't wait to see them

Hey DIY_Stu, I just noticed your lack of feedback.
What's up with that??
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As promised here is a detail shot of the corner joints and full seal





And a video of the installed prototype seal



PLEASE NOTE:

The video is of a seal that did not have the stippled bonding agent applied yet. The close up photo above is of the final production corner.

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Originally posted by Indiana_resto_guy:


Can't wait to see them

Hey DIY_Stu, I just noticed your lack of feedback.
What's up with that??


Awe it's no biggie. Most people forget that feature's there and I usually don't have the time to remember it's there either. I think I have over 50 people I need to leave feedback for. but I'd have to make the long list first.

Will those corners look great! nice even and strong looking. Good job on them.

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Originally posted by DIY_Stu:

Will those corners look great! nice even and strong looking. Good job on them.



Stu,

The adhesive I ended up using (black death basically) is unbelievably strong. It didn't need the sealer over it at all but I thought it would look much closer to the original heat vulcanized corners. I was able to ship out several seals today but I am still waiting on my final shipping boxes. Now all I need to do is start building some inventory so people won't have to wait so long but this first run turned out far better than I could have hoped for.

Step right up folk's the store is OPEN

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Paypal for two sent.
Excellent looking seal!
Can't wait to try one out.
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Stu,

The adhesive I ended up using (black death basically) is unbelievably strong. It didn't need the sealer over it at all but I thought it would look much closer to the original heat vulcanized corners. I was able to ship out several seals today but I am still waiting on my final shipping boxes. Now all I need to do is start building some inventory so people won't have to wait so long but this first run turned out far better than I could have hoped for.

Step right up folk's the store is OPEN


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I'll be watching for my seal. This is like Christmas in April.
Larry

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Paypal for two sent.
Excellent looking seal!
Can't wait to try one out.


Keith, got it
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Hello Will
I would suggest to you .. Edit your first post and insert price, pic and video of the seal.. that way people wont have to read the whole 11 pages to find the price and shipping. I will be ordering one soon ... but right now I've got alot of work on the Widow beforehand
Thanks
your canadian friend
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http://www.blackwidowfiero.com

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Hi Will - looks good. Not sure you saw my previous post but can you confirm shipping to the UK please.

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Originally posted by Danyel:

Hello Will
I would suggest to you .. Edit your first post and insert price, pic and video of the seal.. that way people wont have to read the whole 11 pages to find the price and shipping. I will be ordering one soon ... but right now I've got alot of work on the Widow beforehand
Thanks
your canadian friend
Danyel



I agree! I posted on front page and when it gets this LONG, it is too much trouble to read through the whole thing. Also Steele Rubber Products are interested in marketing this product as well. I will get you contact info or you can look them up on the web.

Found it so thought I'd put it on most recent page. Looks like a good product!
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How Much are they and where do I Order one?




The seal is $95 + $15 flat rate shipping. PM me your name and email address and I will send you a PayPal invoice.

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Originally posted by an88_fierodiva:

Hi Will - looks good. Not sure you saw my previous post but can you confirm shipping to the UK please.

Thanks


I did miss your previous post! I will check shipping rates to the UK and PM you when I have more information!

Thanks,

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Is your Fastback GT's trunk seal shot? My replacement GT trunk seals are now in production and shipping. $95 + $15 flat rate shipping to the US (contact me for international shipping rates) or buy two and pay only a single shipping rate! More info can be found here GT Trunk Seal Project

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Hello Will
I would suggest to you .. Edit your first post and insert price, pic and video of the seal.. that way people wont have to read the whole 11 pages to find the price and shipping. I will be ordering one soon ... but right now I've got alot of work on the Widow beforehand
Thanks
your canadian friend
Danyel



Danyel,

Good idea

Done!

Will

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Is your Fastback GT's trunk seal shot? My replacement GT trunk seals are now in production and shipping. $95 + $15 flat rate shipping to the US (contact me for international shipping rates) or buy two and pay only a single shipping rate! More info can be found here GT Trunk Seal Project

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As promised here is a detail shot of the corner joints and full seal

<snip>

And a video of the installed prototype seal

<snip>



Oh my!

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not that it needs it but bump... just so its easier to find when I decide to order one... (need at least one)
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Will how many seals have you mailed out so far?

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Originally posted by infinitewill:

As promised here is a detail shot of the corner joints and full seal

And a video of the installed prototype seal

PLEASE NOTE:

The video is of a seal that did not have the stippled bonding agent applied yet. The close up photo above is of the final production corner.

\/\/



Damn impressive, well done!

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If these are done and only awaiting payment then send me a paypal address.
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The pictures and video make them look great, but I bet it will look even better on my 88 GT. Can't wait to get them and put one of them on it. Thanks for working through this for us, Will.

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If these are done and only awaiting payment then send me a paypal address.


Send him a PM and tell hin how many and he will send you an invoice with the info.
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Hi Will. I believe you added me to your list via pm's. I'd like to pay for one please PM me your paypal info.
Thanks, Marc

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Hey gang,

The first run has shipped and I will send the second run out starting tomorrow morning. Those of you who have already sent in payment, please check you PM's

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it wouldnt surprise me for the fierostore to order 100 of these, and sell them online for $149.95 each to make alittle profit.

people who dont know about PFF will find the fierostore and buy stuff like crazy once they find a place that sells hard to get fiero parts.

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Hey gang,

The first run has shipped and I will send the second run out starting tomorrow morning. Those of you who have already sent in payment, please check you PM's

Will


Will,

My payment was sent on 2/21. (Pg. 9 of this thread.)
Haven't heard anything yet.
Am I part of the first or second run?

Thanks.
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it wouldnt surprise me for the fierostore to order 100 of these, and sell them online for $149.95 each to make alittle profit.

people who dont know about PFF will find the fierostore and buy stuff like crazy once they find a place that sells hard to get fiero parts.

matthew


Nothing wrong with that... Sounds like a win-win for everyone...
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Now if only you would do the t-top seals?
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Now if only you would do the t-top seals?


The tooling costs to make the T-Top seals would be outrageous. Will would have to sell 1 set of T-Top seals for every T-Top Fiero made and he still would not re-coupe the costs. The selling price would be so high that no one would buy them.

Will already has over $12K into the trunk seals.
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Will,

My payment was sent on 2/21. (Pg. 9 of this thread.)
Haven't heard anything yet.
Am I part of the first or second run?

Thanks.
Steve


Steve,

You seal went out yesterday. You should have had a tracking number sent to your PayPal email address.

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***** UPDATE *****

Second run started shipping yesterday. Mark (woodrow50) you are up next.

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Steve,

You seal went out yesterday. You should have had a tracking number sent to your PayPal email address.

Will


Just got my tracking.

Thanks Will!

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Originally posted by RossT:

Now if only you would do the t-top seals?


RossT,

As JimmyS mentioned the tooling cost of doing T-Top seals is prohibitive (at least for me). The cheapest bid I received was just over $50K for the tooling alone and then a minimum of 250 sets would be another $35K for the raw materials alone. I am not about to front that kind of money on such a limited market and then sit on inventory while people "think about it".

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I got the Tracking number . Thanks

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