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Any REAL interest in a widebody kit? by Archie
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Originally posted by madcurl:

Wow! A very difficult 6-piece mod. How many hours you'd think was involved in making the wide-body rocker? How many piece (normally) needed for the regular IRM rocker? 2-piece?


From the time when the rockers were sanded good enough for final paint, that's when Kris put on the dark Gray dura-tec paint, I figure we have 120 to 130 hours in these molds plus materials.

The molds for the regular rockers are 5 pcs. these had to be 6pcs because the side scoop was so big & deep.

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Taking the middle ground, you have 125 hours from finished plug to production mold. That doesn't count the hours to develop the plug; and this is just for a pair of rockers!

Imagine the time needed to develop a full rebody, with all the necessary brackets and accessories! Then enough of them must be sold to recoup the development costs, before ever truly making a dime...

This is something that's really hard to get people to understand. I have been doing custom fiberglass for over a decade now and getting people to understand why the cost is so high is often challenging, so put it mildly.

I think letting people see what it takes for you to offer these parts for the price you are is very wise Archie. I think your price is more than reasonable, for a limited production specialty item.

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Originally posted by toddshotrods:

Taking the middle ground, you have 125 hours from finished plug to production mold. That doesn't count the hours to develop the plug; and this is just for a pair of rockers!

Imagine the time needed to develop a full rebody, with all the necessary brackets and accessories! Then enough of them must be sold to recoup the development costs, before ever truly making a dime...

This is something that's really hard to get people to understand. I have been doing custom fiberglass for over a decade now and getting people to understand why the cost is so high is often challenging, so put it mildly.

I think letting people see what it takes for you to offer these parts for the price you are is very wise Archie. I think your price is more than reasonable, for a limited production specialty item.



Hopefully, the next time someone is getting ready to say that some Fiberglass part is over priced "Because Fiberglass doesn't cost too much" he will think twice and remember this thread.

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Well the Fiberglass was laid up in the molds today.

The big day is tomorrow morning when the parts will be taken out of the molds.

I'll report to this thread as soon as I can tomorrow.

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The parts are out of the molds & they look great.

We took one of the rockers & just stuck it on Curleys car. These pics were taken with no fitting & no fasterners, we just stuck them on.

This is the set that I'll be bringing to the Daytona show.







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Originally posted by Archie:

The parts are out of the molds & they look great.

We took one of the rockers & just stuck it on Curleys car. These pics were taken with no fitting & no fasterners, we just stuck them on.

This is the set that I'll be bringing to the Daytona show.





Excellent job, "Archie and the Crew." It looks professionally and OEM to which GM should be proud of (like care, right?). I'm sure the guy in FL will be pleased to pop those puppies onto his Fiero.

Moving right along: Here's some pics of the C6 rear side marker lamps for the wide-body mad-arches:






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Damnnnnnnnnn Archie those look awesome !!!

David (FierouciousGT) is going to be one happy boy !

I can't wait to get my set ! WOW !
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would you have to buy it all (sorry if someone asked this already)? the car i'd want to try this on isn't a gt, has stock irm rockers on it already and i have some fenders to try the other part, but i'd need a rear facia.
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Originally posted by Philphine:

would you have to buy it all (sorry if someone asked this already)? the car i'd want to try this on isn't a gt, has stock irm rockers on it already and i have some fenders to try the other part, but i'd need a rear facia.


Sure, we'll be able to sell the individual parts if you need.

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Archie, are you going to set this kit up to be used with stock front fenders? Also will the body moulding be eliminated between the new rockers and the front fenders? I like the look of eliminateing the body moulding, it gives the fiero a more modern appearance. I like the wide body look but the ones I have seen on the forum either keep the body moulding intact or only eliminate certain sections like in the pic.

I think this breaks up the lines of the car too much and would like to see a kit that eliminates it completley from bumper to bumper.
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Originally posted by Bridgetown:

Archie, are you going to set this kit up to be used with stock front fenders? Also will the body moulding be eliminated between the new rockers and the front fenders? I like the look of eliminateing the body moulding, it gives the fiero a more modern appearance. I like the wide body look but the ones I have seen on the forum either keep the body moulding intact or only eliminate certain sections like in the pic.
Your thaughts?



I agree. The black marker is a throw-back to the 80's to which the Corvette shares the same issues. Granted it looks good and I have it on #011 but, if your going to build a custom wide body from scatch...I see no need to repeat history. Get rid of it!

Thoughts? Oh I have a few, Hehe.

Look here: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F.../HTML/046552-10.html

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The little black triangle thingie will be removed. The opening is for the C6 front side marker lamp.





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Originally posted by exoticse:
Damnnnnnnnnn Archie those look awesome !!!
David (FierouciousGT) is going to be one happy boy !
I can't wait to get my set ! WOW !


Hehehehe I'll be jumping with joy Saturday morning at Daytona!
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This something I photoshopped, opinions?
It is a little rough but I think it gives a good idea of the look I was trying to create.

it is a PISA Artero front end with a widebody like Archie is working on.
It reminds me of a Lotus Esprit/Lamborgini Diablo.
I am hopeing to create this look on my '86 GT, after I get a new engine though. I am getting way ahead of myself.
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Look what I got at Daytona 2007! Thanks Archie, I'll be ready for the rest of the widebody when your ready!





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Look what I got at Daytona 2007! Thanks Archie, I'll be ready for the rest of the widebody when your ready!


Wow! And you got away with them w/o nobody seeing you! I hope you're planning on using some wide rim/ tires cause 15 incher ain't gonna cut the mustard, hehe.

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Originally posted by exoticse:

A lot of good things and inspirations at the 2007 Daytona show.

Had my eyes focused on the widebody rocker peanels, congrautlaionss David


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Originally posted by madcurl:
I hope you're planning on using some wide rim/ tires cause 15 incher ain't gonna cut the mustard, hehe.


Most definitely...
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Most definitely...



A penny for your thoughts. Continued Tweaking or just a bolt on application for you? Size rims and tires? Enquiring minds would like to know.


 
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I would be interested, however I would need to see this installed on a regular GT first would there any plans for that? Thats such a custom fastback top that its hard to picture on a regular non chopped. Is the car still at the shop? Would love to check it out and sit in a choptop to make sure I can fit.



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A penny for your thoughts. Continued Tweaking or just a bolt on application for you? Size rims and tires? Enquiring minds would like to know.


The front fenders/bumper will have to go wide. Some minor tweaking for the rear bumper (I need to have everything bolt on and brainstorm ). For the rim size I have to get some data from Archie on how many inches wider the rear is. Be sure the rims won't be less then 18" or more then 20"...

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Originally posted by FierociousGT:

The rims won't be less then 18" or more then 20"...

Got Fiero ideas?!


I see you've been talking to Troyboy, hehe.

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Archie few questions:

1.- How much wider is each side?
2.- What wheel data did you provide to HRE?
3.- "Perfect Union's" (Fiero Warehouse widebody) front fenders/bumper... what wheel data did you provide to HRE?

Thanks


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Just curious, I'm NOT going HRE's....
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Just curious, I'm NOT going HRE's....


What...Mayas'?

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What...Mayas'?


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ROH


What...the Austrailian wheel company? Some of their wheels run very deep, like up to 13" wide. 2 or 3-piece?
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What...the Austrailian wheel company? Some of their wheels run very deep, like up to 13" wide. 2 or 3-piece?


Yes the company is down in Oz. Looking at the 3-piece Modena & Strada. Actually been looking at them for a while.
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Looking good!

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Did we give up and go home?? So far looking very Good!
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No we didn't give up.

We just have several projects going on at the same time & I haven't posted any progress on it in about 3 weeks or so.

However we have been getting the rear bumper ready to take molds off of it.

Here's some pics of it while it was still on the car.





Then we took it off of the car & to have it retain it's shape, Kris built a framework to hold the bumper in shape.







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Nice work at removing the last of the 80's black bumper marker. That is one of the items that pre-dates our Fieros. Good ridden!


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So Curley are you going to put a fiberglass copy of the bumper on your car or put the original back on? It would be a lot lighter and less prone to cracking if you went with the fiberglass copy.
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So Curley are you going to put a fiberglass copy of the bumper on your car or put the original back on? It would be a lot lighter and less prone to cracking if you went with the fiberglass copy.


Yeah, Archie said that, (The rear bumper after making a mold from it) would be pretty much trashed and I would need a fiberglass rear. Besides, he wasn't too comfortable with the fiberglas and rubber bumper combo and that it's a little too heavy and all. It's all good in my book.


The plus side is: continued tweaking once you've purchased it like rear defuser additions and such. No need for someone to make a direct clone of #020, right? Keep on rasing the bar!

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So Curley are you going to put a fiberglass copy of the bumper on your car or put the original back on? It would be a lot lighter and less prone to cracking if you went with the fiberglass copy.


He'll be getting the fiberglass bumper. By the time we're finished with this bumper, it'll be junk.

Right now we're building up the lip on the inside of the wheel well areas of the bumper to accept the stock Fiero wheel well liner.

As it turns out, this rear bumper was kinda "Boogered up", & we are having to build up the areas where the wheel well would mount to on the finished part.

In this picture you can see where plywood strips were screwed into place to start establishing the wheel well liner mounting area......as you can see here this is the right side area & we've started filling in on top of the plywood pcs.



Here's the left side already finished (a little final sanding yet to do.......



And here is is with a Fiero wheel well liner in place......



This kinda stuff takes a long time to do right but it makes a very nice part when it's done.

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Ya have love the attention Archie pays to detail. Keep up the good work Archie.
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As it turns out, this rear bumper was kinda "Boogered up", & we are having to build up the areas where the wheel well would mount to on the finished part.
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Hehe. That what happens when a person performs a 180 on black ice while heading to the choptop haven. That happened to me during IL worse storms of the year. It was on the same day, when a jet over-ran the runway and killed a child in a car.
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Glad you didn't booger up the whole car

Good deal on the fiberglass fascia... The wide body kit is going to be awesome!


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i would be very interested in a decent one. i looked at the PISA one, and i dont really like it. it kept the doors stock width. it looks kinda funny. im getting my brothers 86gt and i wanna do a gt widebody kit to it. my other one is an 86se, im gonna use that one for my ferrari 355 kit
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Report this Post04-21-2007 11:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Racer_JTClick Here to Email Racer_JTSend a Private Message to Racer_JTEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
How long before you think you will have the whole kits ready? Iam very interested in a set of them as soon as possible. Do you have a way to address the fronts as well?

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Jesse

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Report this Post04-22-2007 09:27 AM Click Here to See the Profile for ArchieClick Here to visit Archie's HomePageClick Here to Email ArchieSend a Private Message to ArchieEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
We are not addressing the front end as yet. Working as fast as we can but gotta pay the rent too.

Some people are considering using the IMSA front clip from Fiero Warehouse.

We figure to have all the molds done by early June or before.

Archie
 
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How long before you think you will have the whole kits ready? Iam very interested in a set of them as soon as possible. Do you have a way to address the fronts as well?

Thanks
Jesse



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