Jazzman we get your point, give it a rest now, take a chill pill and don't blow a gasket. There really is no need for you to complain about the same thing seven times in the same thread. You aren't going to change anything and annoying people to do so will only make them more resistant to change it.
If Cliff sees this thread and gets upset because this topic was not marked political, I'm sure he can change it if he wants to. It is very obvious to the people posting in this thread that it IS a political topic and thread. So far you seem to be the only one that is really upset that it wasn't marked as so. We understand your concern about this, but really need to CHILL dude! Why are you getting so bent out of shape over such a small nit? This really can't be a healthy thing for anyone to be doing.

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quote Originally posted by JazzMan: What part of respect Cliff are you not comprehending?

Like hitting the back button on your browser when you discover you don't like the content of a thread? I'd say that would "prove itself", and respect Cliff Pennock at the same time. Can you?

quote Originally posted by partfiero: I listened to the whole thing yesterday, BFD. No Gotcha moment here. The caller tried to get him to agree with some outrageous comments, but he didn't really take the bait. Time for the runaway cry babies to come home and do the duty that they were elected to do. How come when the left wins the election they tell the right that they lost, live with it, But when they lose to the right, they stomp their feet and runaway like little spoiled kids?

???

Did we listen to the same phone call? Here is a link to the guy who pranked Walker.
http://www.buffalobeast.com/?p=5045

(Some interesting tidbits from the conversation)

Koch: (actually, fake-Koch) Now you’re not talking to any of these Democrat bastards, are you?

Walker: Ah, I—there’s one guy that’s actually voted with me on a bunch of things I called on Saturday for about 45 minutes, mainly to tell him that while I appreciate his friendship and he’s worked with us on other things, to tell him I wasn’t going to budge.

Koch: Goddamn right!

Walker: …his name is Tim Cullen—

Koch: All right, I’ll have to give that man a call.

Walker: Well, actually, in his case I wouldn’t call him and I’ll tell you why: he’s pretty reasonable but he’s not one of us…

(So Democrats aren't "one of us"? who is us?)
(more)

Walker: …I’ve got layoff notices ready…

Koch: Beautiful; beautiful. Gotta crush that union.

Walker: [bragging about how he doesn't budge]…I would be willing to sit down and talk to him, the assembly Democrat leader, plus the other two Republican leaders—talk, not negotiate and listen to what they have to say if they will in turn—but I’ll only do it if all 14 of them will come back and sit down in the state assembly…legally, we believe, once they’ve gone into session, they don’t physically have to be there. If they’re actually in session for that day, and they take a recess, the 19 Senate Republicans could then go into action and they’d have quorum…so we’re double checking that. If you heard I was going to talk to them that’s the only reason why. We’d only do it if they came back to the capital with all 14 of them…

(so tricking Democrats to come back to Wisconsin to get the bill passed, that seems unethical. No, that IS unethical.)

Koch: Bring a baseball bat. That’s what I’d do.

Walker: I have one in my office; you’d be happy with that. I have a slugger with my name on it.

Koch: Beautiful.

(pummelling opponents with baseball bats is "beautiful". I think that says it all.)
(more)

Walker: [blah about his press conferences, attacking Obama, and all the great press he's getting.] Brian [Sadoval], the new Governor of Nevada, called me the last night he said—he was out in the Lincoln Day Circuit in the last two weekends and he was kidding me, he said, “Scott, don’t come to Nevada because I’d be afraid you beat me running for governor.” That’s all they want to talk about is what are you doing to help the governor of Wisconsin. I talk to Kasich every day—John’s gotta stand firm in Ohio. I think we could do the same thing with Vic Scott in Florida. I think, uh, Snyder—if he got a little more support—probably could do that in Michigan. You start going down the list there’s a lot of us new governors that got elected to do something big.

Koch: You’re the first domino.

Walker: Yep. This is our moment.

(IOW our union-busting moment)
(more)

Koch: We’ll back you any way we can. What we were thinking about the crowd was, uh, was planting some troublemakers.

Walker: You know, well, the only problem with that —because we thought about that. The problem—the, my only gut reaction to that is right now the lawmakers I’ve talked to have just completely had it with them, the public is not really fond of this…[explains that planting troublemakers may not work.] My only fear would be if there’s a ruckus caused is that maybe the governor has to settle to solve all these problems…[something about '60s liberals.]…Let ‘em protest all they want…Sooner or later the media stops finding it interesting.

(I smell a Hosni Mubarak moment here...)
(more)

Walker: This is an exciting time [blah, blah, blah, Super Bowl reference followed by an odd story of pulling out a picture of Ronald Reagan and explaining to his staff the plan to crush the union the same way Reagan fired the air traffic controllers]…that was the first crack in the Berlin Wall because the Communists then knew Reagan wasn’t a pushover. [Blah, blah, blah. He's exactly like Reagan. Won't shut up about how awesome he is.]

Koch: [Laughs] Well, I tell you what, Scott: once you crush these bastards I’ll fly you out to Cali and really show you a good time.

Walker: All right, that would be outstanding.

(getting a gift from a campaign contributer and lobbyist would be "outstanding"? ever heard the term "ethics violation"?)

Well, there you have it. Bust the unions, get a kickback and great vacay is Cali from David Koch. the Repub agenda in a nutshell.

To quote (fake)Koch, "Beautiful!"

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: Because of the fringe ideologies that infect this board, it's impossible to talk about anything union without it being political.

Does it surprise you that a topic about unions has political overtones? Unions and politics have gone hand in hand for decades.

No offense, your reaction is kind of like clicking on a restaurant thread and being upset that people are mentioning what's on the menu.

quote Originally posted by GT86: Does it surprise you that a topic about unions has political overtones? Unions and politics have gone hand in hand for decades. No offense, your reaction is kind of like clicking on a restaurant thread and being upset that people are mentioning what's on the menu.

hes got political turned off - he should never have even seen the thread.
I agree with his initial assessment - but - I also see the issue about endlessly returning.

I think Ron White said it best:
"I had the right to remain silent...I just didnt have the ability...."

it is natural to respond to people directly speaking (posting) to him.

So how long before the Republicans on this forum finnaly shut up and admit that they are only defending the Republican agenda because they are republicans?

I have not seen ONE person vocally say that they are voting for a man because of what he believes in in the last 10 years. I have seen only "im going to vote for this guy cuz he is a Democrat and i dont like republicans"

Its really getting sick to be 19 freaking years old and having to sit by and watch people that are supposedly wiser because of their age throw what i stand for under the rug and step all over it, ignoring what i have to say because im not "mature enough" to "fully understand" what it is that is going on.

Well to those people here is my middle finger - my immature moment that you are ALL waiting for and expect.

Next Gubernatorial election im running for Wisconsin. I ask for you to vote for me not based on what party you are affiliated with as im going with NO affiliation, i ask that you vote for me based upon what I believe in, not false promises my predecessors have made. Maybe even someday i would even run for President and start breaking necks in senate.

Oh wait, that is right, if i try any of this ill be labeled a terrorist and my integrity will be questioned by the right and left wings will dig and dig up my past looking for anything that they can use against me. Well guess what? I have a clean record. not so much as a minor cops called to my house cuz im out of control incident so i guess you could say i would be the medias worst nightmare. A guy with no dirt to dig up oh my!!!!!v (Note i do have some family issues that if they were dug up i would just laugh at as i do already enough )

NICE

Wisconsin Assembly Passes Bill Taking Away Union Rights
http://www.aolnews.com/2011...7Csec1_lnk3%7C203319

quote MADISON, Wis. - Republicans in the Wisconsin Assembly took the first significant action on their plan to strip collective bargaining rights from most public workers, abruptly passing the measure early Friday morning before sleep-deprived Democrats realized what was happening. The vote ended three straight days of punishing debate in the Assembly. But the political standoff over the bill - and the monumental protests at the state Capitol against it - appear far from over. Scott Olson, Getty Images Republicans in the Wisconsin Assembly early Friday passed Gov. Scott Walker's bill that strips most public workers of their collective bargaining rights.The Assembly's vote sent the bill on to the Senate, but minority Democrats in that house have fled to Illinois to prevent a vote. No one knows when they will return from hiding. Republicans who control the chamber sent state troopers out looking for them at their homes on Thursday, but they turned up nothing. "I applaud the Democrats in the Assembly for earnestly debating this bill and urge their counterparts in the state Senate to return to work and do the same," Assembly Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald, R-Horicon, said in a statement issued moments after the vote. The plan from Republican Gov. Scott Walker contains a number of provisions he says are designed to fill the state's $137 million deficit and lay the groundwork for fixing a projected $3.6 billion shortfall in the upcoming 2011-13 budget. The flashpoint is language that would require public workers to contribute more to their pensions and health insurance and strip them of their right to collectively bargain benefits and work conditions. Democrats and unions see the measure as an attack on workers' rights and an attempt to cripple union support for Democrats. Union leaders say they would make pension and health care concessions if they can keep their bargaining rights, but Walker has refused to compromise. Tens of thousands of people have jammed the Capitol since last week to protest, pounding on drums and chanting so loudly that police providing security have resorted to ear plugs. Hundreds have taken to sleeping in the building overnight, dragging in air mattresses and blankets. Related Stories Poland in 1980 and Wisconsin in 2011: History Rhymes Wisconsin Democrats' Battle Plan in Collective Bargaining Standoff Opinion: Why Wisconsin Matters Opinion: Wisconsin Exposes Deeper State Budget Crisis With the Senate immobilized, Assembly Republicans decided to act and convened the chamber Tuesday morning. Democrats launched a filibuster, throwing out dozens of amendments and delivering rambling speeches. Each time Republicans tried to speed up the proceedings, Democrats rose from their seats and wailed that the GOP was stifling them. Debate had gone on for 60 hours and 15 Democrats were still waiting to speak when the vote started around 1 a.m. Friday. Speaker Pro Tem Bill Kramer, R-Waukesha, opened the roll and closed it within seconds. Democrats looked around, bewildered. Only 13 of the 38 Democratic members managed to vote in time. Republicans immediately marched out of the chamber in single file. The Democrats rushed at them, pumping their fists and shouting "Shame!" and "Cowards!" The Republicans walked past them without responding. Democrats left the chamber stunned. The protesters greeted them with a thundering chant of "Thank you!" Some Democrats teared up. Others hugged. "What a terrible, terrible day for Wisconsin," said Rep. Jon Richards, D-Milwaukee. "I am incensed. I am shocked." GOP leaders in the Assembly refused to speak with reporters, but earlier Friday morning Majority Leader Scott Suder, R-Abbotsford, warned Democrats that they had been given 59 hours to be heard and Republicans were ready to vote. Sponsored LinksThe governor has said that if the bill does not pass by Friday, the state will miss a deadline to refinance $165 million of debt and will be forced to start issuing layoff notices next week. However, the deadline may not as strict as he says. The nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau said earlier this week that the debt refinancing could be pushed back as late as Tuesday to achieve the savings Walker wants. Based on a similar refinancing in 2004, about two weeks are needed after the bill becomes law to complete the deal. That means if the bill is adopted by the middle of next week, the state can still meet a March 16 deadline, the Fiscal Bureau said. Democratic Sen. Jon Erpenbach said he and his colleagues wouldn't return until Walker compromised. Frustrated by the delay, Senate Republican Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald, Jeff Fitzgerald's brother, ordered state troopers to find the missing Democrats, but they came up empty. Wisconsin law doesn't allow police to arrest the lawmakers, but Fitzgerald said he hoped the show of authority would have pressured them to return. Erpenbach, who was in the Chicago area, said all 14 senators remained outside of Wisconsin. "It's not so much the Democrats holding things up," Erpenbach said. "It's really a matter of Gov. Walker holding things up."

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: NICE

I have them all over the capitol building and even got a state trooper to slip one under the door to the govenors office XD

quote Originally posted by avengador1: Wisconsin Assembly Passes Bill Taking Away Union Rights

Good. Maybe those smelly liberal hippie protesters will finally go home and take a shower.

quote Originally posted by Ramsespride: Oh yeah here is my contribution to your argument Pyrithian. I have handed out about 30 of my Flyer already. Do you like?

For the record, the term "Blue Collar Worker" was created by a member of the American Socialist Party who later ran as a Democrat. It's the Democrats that use the term Blue Collar Worker, not the Republicans.

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2008 Jeep Patriot Limited 4x2
2002 Ford Explorer Sport 2dr 4x2
2002 Ford Crown Victoria LX
1987 Pontiac Fiero SE / V6
1973 Volkswagen Type-2 Transporter

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: For the record, the term "Blue Collar Worker" was created by a member of the American Socialist Party who later ran as a Democrat. It's the Democrats that use the term Blue Collar Worker, not the Republicans.

I am aware of that, all the quotes on there are ones taken Directly from what he said in his little phone call.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Good. Maybe those smelly liberal hippie protesters will finally go home and take a shower.

Just curious what your feelings are about the protesters in Libya, Egypt, and Bahrain are...

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: Just curious what your feelings are about the protesters in Libya, Egypt, and Bahrain are...

I doubt that.

quote Originally posted by avengador1: Jazzman we get your point, give it a rest now, take a chill pill and don't blow a gasket. There really is no need for you to complain about the same thing seven times in the same thread. You aren't going to change anything and annoying people to do so will only make them more resistant to change it. If Cliff sees this thread and gets upset because this topic was not marked political, I'm sure he can change it if he wants to. It is very obvious to the people posting in this thread that it IS a political topic and thread. So far you seem to be the only one that is really upset that it wasn't marked as so. We understand your concern about this, but really need to CHILL dude! Why are you getting so bent out of shape over such a small nit? This really can't be a healthy thing for anyone to be doing.

If you don't want to see me pointing out bad behavior, miscategorized political topics and comments then keep them in politics where they belong. Cliff doesn't care. If he did he'd enforce his rules. My goal, such that it is, is to have a nice pleasant experience on this forum without the stinky spank of politics gluing the topic pages together. Once that goal is met then we all win, you and me. Remember, I can't participate in topics I can't see, and that would be topics that are marked political and religion.

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: If you don't want to see me pointing out bad behavior, miscategorized political topics and comments then keep them in politics where they belong. Cliff doesn't care. If he did he'd enforce his rules. My goal, such that it is, is to have a nice pleasant experience on this forum without the stinky spank of politics gluing the topic pages together. Once that goal is met then we all win, you and me. Remember, I can't participate in topics I can't see, and that would be topics that are marked political and religion.

The button in your browser *could* serve that function, as well, if you were able to use it. But, alas, it appears that it is not to be.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: you dont see the puppet? you dont see a single man manipulating an entire state? actually, he is manipuating ALOT more than an entire state - he is pouring Kool-Aid by the truckload - and many many people are greedily sucking it down.

Politicians are all puppets, even the ones who take money from these unions.
I see a man who was elected to clean up this mess and that is what he is doing.
So it is more like the majority of the WI voters are in control, what a terrible concept.
What you are looking at is democracy in action.
When you see all of those protesters who are voicing their opinion, don't wet on yourself until you do the math to find out id that is what the majority wants.

OH BTW,
What do you think about the teachers union buying health insurance from a company they own and a much higher price?
Nice little taxpayer rip off.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: The button in your browser *could* serve that function, as well, if you were able to use it. But, alas, it appears that it is not to be.

When someone walks into the living room covered with feces, it's hard to pretend there's no stink.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: I doubt that.

Oh, but I am. Really...

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quote Originally posted by fierobear: The button in your browser *could* serve that function, as well, if you were able to use it. But, alas, it appears that it is not to be.

Speaking of buttons.
This whole Socialist plan they had for us seems to have hit a giant brick wall.
They were told, don't worry the Euphoria Button is mounted on the wall. But failed to mention which side it was mounted on..
When will they ever learn?

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: When someone walks into the living room covered with feces, it's hard to pretend there's no stink.

Yep, and in this thread most of that smell is coming from your feces you dumped all over here. If you haven't done so already, pm Cliff your frikken hang up. Let him decided if it's something he has an issue with and MOVE ON!

You probably have done this already and Cliff probably responded by telling you to hit the back button.

PULL THE STICK OUT OF YOUR BACKSIDE, MR BITTER, AND MOVE ON!!!!

This thread has been a very civil thread and discussion. The only thing wrong with this thread is your bullshit whining about the categorizing of a thread.

HIT THE BACK BUTTON AND MOVE ON!

HIT THE BACK BUTTON AND MOVE ON!

HIT THE BACK BUTTON AND MOVE ON!

HIT THE BACK BUTTON AND MOVE ON!

HIT THE BACK BUTTON AND MOVE ON!

HIT THE BACK BUTTON AND MOVE ON!

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: Just curious what your feelings are about the protesters in Libya, Egypt, and Bahrain are...

Looks like they need a shower also, .

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: If you don't want to see me pointing out bad behavior, miscategorized political topics and comments then keep them in politics where they belong. My goal, such that it is, is to have a nice pleasant experience on this forum without the stinky spank of politics gluing the topic pages together. Once that goal is met then we all win, you and me. Remember, I can't participate in topics I can't see, and that would be topics that are marked political and religion.

I don't care if you participate, you seem to be the one that cares. You can point out bad behavior till your blue bluer in the face. I don't care. You can wear your buttons on your sleeve. Again, I don't care. Your goal, such that you wish it was, can be met by you.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: The button in your browser *could* serve that function, as well, if you were able to use it. But, alas, it appears that it is not to be.

Ah, the typical liberal mindset, . Needing someone else to protect them from themselves, .

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: When someone walks into the living room covered with feces, it's hard to pretend there's no stink.

Then, one need not stay. This thread is not the living room, especially not yours.

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quote Originally posted by Jazzman My goal, such that it is, is to have a nice pleasant experience on this forum without the stinky spank of politics gluing the topic pages together.

So why do you continue to torture yourself by reading and posting in this thread? You definitely know it is political now and yet you continue to post in it. Are you a masochist? If you really detest politcal threads why do you continue to post in them, even if they weren't marked as political? All you need to do is to realize a thread is political or has turned political and then ignore it from then on.
Your continued postings in these threads just makes you sound like a whinny person, doesn't add to the discussion going on, annoys the others trying to have a discussion, and just tends to upset you. If you don't like being upset, then stay out of these threads like you say you want to. I'm sure your life will be much happier if you do so. Religious and political discussions aren't for everyone and can be very upsetting to those who aren't prepared to handle them. For your own good, I suggest you follow your own advice and stay out of these discussions to avoid upsetting yourself. Coming into one of these discussions and pointing out the obvious does not accomplish anything for anyone. It only seems to upset you more.

quote Originally posted by aceman: Yep, and in this thread most of that smell is coming from your feces you dumped all over here. If you haven't done so already, pm Cliff your frikken hang up. Let him decided if it's something he has an issue with and MOVE ON! You probably have done this already and Cliff probably responded by telling you to hit the back button. PULL THE STICK OUT OF YOUR BACKSIDE, MR BITTER, AND MOVE ON!!!! This thread has been a very civil thread and discussion. The only thing wrong with this thread is your bullshit whining about the categorizing of a thread. HIT THE BACK BUTTON AND MOVE ON! HIT THE BACK BUTTON AND MOVE ON! HIT THE BACK BUTTON AND MOVE ON! HIT THE BACK BUTTON AND MOVE ON! HIT THE BACK BUTTON AND MOVE ON! HIT THE BACK BUTTON AND MOVE ON!

This is priceless! Folks, you just can't make this stuff up!

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: This is priceless! Folks, you just can't make this stuff up!

Nope, you just can't make the truth up.

quote Originally posted by avengador1: ...and just tends to upset you.

Actually, I'm not upset, not at all. That's the fun part. Annoyed, perhaps, but upset, no. I'll keep going like the Energizer Bunny(tm).

I figured out the key to not being upset just a few months ago. Brilliant in it's simplicity but difficult to master, it was quite a revelation.

Hahaha. These Dems are now saying that what the Repubs did was a showed blatant disregard for the democratic process. Sweet jesus. Do they not realize how incredibly moronic they look after making a farce of the system by getting on a bus and running from any sort of debate?

Losers!

quote Originally posted by loafer87gt: Hahaha. These Dems are now saying that what the Repubs did was a showed blatant disregard for the democratic process. Sweet jesus. Do they not realize how incredibly moronic they look after making a farce of the system by getting on a bus and running from any sort of debate? Losers!

Coming from someone who isnt even a United states citizen i would think you wouldnt have the right to an opinion on the matter, however because of the pussy footed Politically correct people of this forsaken country have deemed it you do, enjoy making fun of your neighboring country.

quote Originally posted by loafer87gt: Hahaha. These Dems are now saying that what the Repubs did was a showed blatant disregard for the democratic process. Sweet jesus. Do they not realize how incredibly moronic they look after making a farce of the system by getting on a bus and running from any sort of debate? Losers!

Kind of reminds me when one of my sons was six and sat down beside me and said he wanted to be the boss of the house.
After some discussion he realized it was a lost cause, so he said he was going to "Walk away from home".
Went in and packed his little suit case . But soon realized that it was better to stay, as leaving was the worst of the two options. So he unpacked his suite case, came out of the bedroom and asked his mother, "What's for dinner"?
Too bad these Dems don't have the sense of a six year old!

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quote Originally posted by JazzMan: When someone walks into the living room covered with feces, it's hard to pretend there's no stink.

Damn... it must be very strange living in your household.


Hah, sorry... I couldn't help myself. You can't type something like that and not expect people to play on it.

quote Originally posted by partfiero: Kind of reminds me when one of my sons was six and sat down beside me and said he wanted to be the boss of the house. After some discussion he realized it was a lost cause, so he said he was going to "Walk away from home". Went in and packed his little suit case . But soon realized that it was better to stay, as leaving was the worst of the two options. So he unpacked his suite case, came out of the bedroom and asked his mother, "What's for dinner"? Too bad these Dems don't have the sense of a six year old!

Haha... aw man... I don't know how you do it. I don't know if I could sit there and watch my little girl pack up a suitcase to leave home.

I told my mom I was running away from home once when I was 6. I stayed in the tree house all of about an hour, and then came in for dinner.

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quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Haha... aw man... I don't know how you do it. I don't know if I could sit there and watch my little girl pack up a suitcase to leave home. I told my mom I was running away from home once when I was 6. I stayed in the tree house all of about an hour, and then came in for dinner.

I was waiting for him to come out of the bedroom so I could convince him running away was not the best option, but he probably knew that all along.
He just had to cool his head.

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quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Damn... it must be very strange living in your household.

You (deliberately) missed the metaphor. The house is Cliff's forum. The kitchen (where the heat is) or the bathroom (where the stink is) is politics and religion. The living room is where those who dislike the heat or the stink go to hang out and participate. Those of us in the living room don't appreciate it when those who revel in the stink bring it with them into the living room. Of course, those who spend all their time in the stink don't realize just how badly they smell, since they've grown used to it after all this time.

Maybe that's why they seem to think it's ok to stink up the rest of the house...

Walker did say he would cut spending to attempt to balance the budget.

I voted for Walker because I felt his agenda aligned with what I thought best for the state and myself. I can't remember last time that every candidate I voted for was from a single party.

2008 I voted for candidates in both parties. Every candidate in a contested race lost.

2010 I voted for candidates in both parties. Every candidate won (yeah even those in non-contested races)

I tend to vote conservative. I tend to vote for Republicans more than Democrats. There was a time that I voted more Democratic than Republican. As you can guess I lost faith in the Democratic party. I do not believe the Democratic party candidates will best bring our nation and state forward. We have real problems to solve. Throwing money at them will not fix them.

From being in business for 30 years I have found the government has the ability to screw just about everything up. When they screw it up they do it at the highest cost.

Our economy has suffered a serious setback. We need to work at getting it going forward. Increased taxes will not move the country forward. The 2009 spending orgy of Obama and the Democrats we exactly what we did not need. That has set us even further back. What will make people believe in the economy of the US? What will make business leaders believe in the economy of the US?

quote Obama told his newly created competitiveness council Thursday that its top priority must be creating jobs during a period of fiscal restraint

Obama is starting to talk in a way that makes sense to me. The economy will grow when people start believing in it again. It's damn hard to believe in this debt ridden economy.

We need to make cuts. Those cuts are going to have impact. When you are short on money would you borrow more just so you can keep on spending more? You make cuts. Those cuts 'hurt'. But it is what we have to do.


btw - You should run for a school district administrator instead. It pays better. 65 Wisconsin school administrators or staff make more than the $137,092 base wages that Walker makes. That figure does not include benefits. Plus working for the school you have summers off.

quote Originally posted by Ramsespride: So how long before the Republicans on this forum finnaly shut up and admit that they are only defending the Republican agenda because they are republicans? I have not seen ONE person vocally say that they are voting for a man because of what he believes in in the last 10 years. I have seen only "im going to vote for this guy cuz he is a Democrat and i dont like republicans" Its really getting sick to be 19 freaking years old and having to sit by and watch people that are supposedly wiser because of their age throw what i stand for under the rug and step all over it, ignoring what i have to say because im not "mature enough" to "fully understand" what it is that is going on. Well to those people here is my middle finger - my immature moment that you are ALL waiting for and expect. Next Gubernatorial election im running for Wisconsin. I ask for you to vote for me not based on what party you are affiliated with as im going with NO affiliation, i ask that you vote for me based upon what I believe in, not false promises my predecessors have made. Maybe even someday i would even run for President and start breaking necks in senate. Oh wait, that is right, if i try any of this ill be labeled a terrorist and my integrity will be questioned by the right and left wings will dig and dig up my past looking for anything that they can use against me. Well guess what? I have a clean record. not so much as a minor cops called to my house cuz im out of control incident so i guess you could say i would be the medias worst nightmare. A guy with no dirt to dig up oh my!!!!!v (Note i do have some family issues that if they were dug up i would just laugh at as i do already enough )

quote Actually, I'm not upset, not at all. That's the fun part. Annoyed, perhaps, but upset, no.

OK, as long as you are not upset then it's alright to continue posting. If it starts to get to you make sure you back off.

quote Originally posted by Ramsespride: Coming from someone who isnt even a United states citizen i would think you wouldnt have the right to an opinion on the matter, however because of the pussy footed Politically correct people of this forsaken country have deemed it you do, enjoy making fun of your neighboring country.

Oh ? We have the market cornered on the truth ?
Hahaha. These Dems are now saying that what the Repubs did was a showed blatant disregard for the democratic process. Sweet jesus. Do they not realize how incredibly moronic they look after making a farce of the system by getting on a bus and running from any sort of debate?
Losers!
Does it ring truth better now that I said it ?

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: You (deliberately) missed the metaphor. The house is Cliff's forum. The kitchen (where the heat is) or the bathroom (where the stink is) is politics and religion. The living room is where those who dislike the heat or the stink go to hang out and participate. Those of us in the living room don't appreciate it when those who revel in the stink bring it with them into the living room. Of course, those who spend all their time in the stink don't realize just how badly they smell, since they've grown used to it after all this time. Maybe that's why they seem to think it's ok to stink up the rest of the house...

I always like poop metaphores... they're always hilarious to everyone regardless of social class or status.
Everyone, at least once in their life has **** their pants, or had a poke through on the toilet paper while wiping their butt.

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Todd,
2008 Jeep Patriot Limited 4x2
2002 Ford Explorer Sport 2dr 4x2
2002 Ford Crown Victoria LX
1987 Pontiac Fiero SE / V6
1973 Volkswagen Type-2 Transporter

quote Originally posted by phonedawgz: Walker did say he would cut spending to attempt to balance the budget.

Hey, you're back! Thought you'd abandoned this thread a while back. Say, you saw where I told you how you can correct your mistake on choosing this thread category, right? Do you know how to edit your first post? Why don't you go ahead and do that now?

Thanks!