quote Originally posted by Tigger: Has anyone who says it's an American thing for us to deal with, think, just maybe a canadian was a victim of 9/11?

correct me if I am wrong, but I thought this topic was about a Canadian telling us how to vote on an AMERICAN president based on a movie that was made by a liberal a$$hole......not 9/11 victims...

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quote Originally posted by pHoOl: We choose to not live our lives afraid

Did you see the movie also? I really loved the part about the scare BUSH puts into the American people. I am not saying that the attack on 911 didn't put a scare...im just saying Bush seems to enjoy throwing gas on the fire.... a good saying from the movie was similar to "Scare is one of the most manipulating things you can do to people" and it seems to have worked. OH I agree with you a lot of presidents all over the world are corrupt including Canada I hate the guy whos our prime minister....BUT SOME ARE WORSE THAN OTHERS....from what you told me about Clinton.....Did that put YOUR LIFE in danger in any way?

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quote Originally posted by MontrealMike: I really loved the part about the scare BUSH puts into the American people.

Any of you other American people feel scared? I've never been more optimistic about our country except perhaps when Uncle Ronny
was running the show.

And I'm still waiting for an answer Mike...You willing to watch a REAL documentary and see "A Day in the Life of the President"?

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quote Originally posted by 86fierose: correct me if I am wrong, but I thought this topic was about a Canadian telling us how to vote on an AMERICAN president based on a movie that was made by a liberal a$$hole......not 9/11 victims...

He's not telling anyone how to vote.

Title of the thread:
"Voting Bush after watching F911????!!!"

My interpretation on that, "who's going to vote for Bush after watching 9/11?"

And "...What did the rest of you think of it?"

I don't know if I should feel scared or not Todd. The president tells me we are safer but yet there is some kind of terror threat or raise in the terror alert and Bin Laden and Al-queda are planning attacks.

Should we sit or lay down?

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Any of you other American people feel scared? I've never been more optimistic about our country except perhaps when Uncle Ronny was running the show.

COMMON obviously its not a scare thats right in front of your its something in the back of your head.....lets say your you are taking a trip by plane somewhere....just for maybe a SECOND wouldn't the word terrorist slip into your head....or if you attended the World Series (Where they're would thousands and thousands of people in one spot) and bush would rate the Terrorist Attack Possibilty to Elevated or High...wouldn't think for maybe half a second sh*t...if a terrorist would strike here we would be dead....Im not talking about a scare that would actually stop you from doing something because most people are tough and also most people including myself don't think something like that can happen to them....but given the right circumstances....maybe it will pop into your head

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Tigger, it was easy to feel no fear when Al Queda was bombing war ships in the Gulf, or Embassies in Africa, or outposts in Riyahd. But the fear level jumped when we got hit in our own back yard. THAT is the only reason some people feel more frightened. Their illusion of invicibility had been breached. But the reality is that we have never been safe and never will be. There is always some nut out there who will want to harm us. Remember the dozens of deaths at the Who concert? Or the deaths at the English soccer game? Columbine? It's an uncertain world.

The illusion of security and the reality of security are worlds apart. We will never be free from fear but we can be free from the threat of Al Queda by keeing up the fight. I no longer fear that Al Queda will blow up a battleship, or an embassy, or hi-jack a flight and fly it into a building. It ain't gonna happen again. Will we get hurt again? Probably. But I refuse to live in fear over what MIGHT happen. We are doing what we can to end the decade long war against us and we are winning.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Tigger, it was easy to feel no fear when Al Queda was bombing war ships in the Gulf, or Embassies in Africa, or outposts in Riyahd. But the fear level jumped when we got hit in our own back yard. THAT is the only reason some people feel more frightened. Their illusion of invicibility had been breached. But the reality is that we have never been safe and never will be. There is always some nut out there who will want to harm us. Remember the dozens of deaths at the Who concert? Or the deaths at the English soccer game? Columbine? It's an uncertain world. The illusion of security and the reality of security are worlds apart. We will never be free from fear but we can be free from the threat of Al Queda by keeing up the fight. I no longer fear that Al Queda will blow up a battleship, or an embassy, or hi-jack a flight and fly it into a building. It ain't gonna happen again. Will we get hurt again? Probably. But I refuse to live in fear over what MIGHT happen. We are doing what we can to end the decade long war against us and we are winning.

VERY GOOD POINT.....eliminating Al Queda was a great idea......the problem is the they're was gas put on the fire.....groups like Al Queda (in my opinion) are increased in number by horrible things the America has done in other countries HOW MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE (from other countries) have died in IRAQ and Afganistan......how many of them they're Children....wifes have died....Do you not think the HUSBANDS, Children or whoever might want to get Revenge....We are talking about thousands and thousands of innocent people have died calculate at least X3 of the family members of those people who swear to get revenge.....NOW start calling them "Insurgents"

quote Originally posted by Tigger: He's not telling anyone how to vote. Title of the thread: "Voting Bush after watching F911????!!!" My interpretation on that, "who's going to vote for Bush after watching 9/11?" And "...What did the rest of you think of it?"

you post that contained "selective quotes" is a great example of someone can paint any picture that they want by omitting certain pieces of information....such as the quote below from the original post.....sure looks like a 19 year old Canadian telling us how to vote on the American presidency based on a movie that he watched to me....

quote Get the guy out from being president he cheated way in and he brainwashed most of you into thinking this war was worth starting...(not that he gave you much choice either ) Anyways I really hope you vote this guy out.

quote Originally posted by 86fierose: sure looks like a 19 year old Canadian telling us how to vote on the American presidency based on a movie that he watched to me....

From what I remember unless the law of freedom to vote was 18??? So why don't we change the legal voting age??? How old are you? Maybe that should be the legal voting age and No I have always had the same opinion before and after the movie....the movie just put some fuel on my fire into trying to get the IGNORANT ones to at least watch the movie....even though EVERYTHING IS AGAINST BUSH USING FACTS....opinioned again him

quote Originally posted by 86fierose:

Ok I won't quote anything.

he said "I really hope you vote this guy out."

Yeah. He hopes we vote the guy out, so what. He's not telling me who to vote for.

So he's 19, he could vote in this country.
He's canadian

So his opinion means nothing.

Like Fox News telling me there's probably little intelligence or insight that paralized terrorist seen with Bin Laden who turned himself in will give us.

He doesn't have use of his legs so that really limits his ability to be a terrorist.

Oh yeah top it off we won't be able to get intelligence directly from him, it must first goes through the Saudi government. Hmmmm......

Hey Tigger was the City your from the one they were talking about in the movie?

quote Originally posted by MontrealMike: Hey Tigger was the City your from the one they were talking about in the movie?

Yes it is.

quote Originally posted by 86fierose: correct me if I am wrong, but I thought this topic was about a Canadian telling us how to vote on an AMERICAN president based on a movie that was made by a liberal a$$hole......not 9/11 victims...

You gotta forgive him, he's from the east (aka Liberal county). No much to add being as I have pretty much made my thoughts on Moore and his mockumentaries known, but I thought I would leave you with this pleasant thought. The fat douche is up for charges for trying to influence the Canadian elections. Apparently, the Fiberals set a law that prohibits non-Canadian citizens from trying to influence the outlook of the election. Nader campaigned for the Liberals as well, but he did it from the comfort of the US, Moore, being the arrogant douche he is, came up to Canada and spread his Liberal hate towards all things remotely conservative, equating cons with Hitler, Bush, Satan, anything scary his small little mind could come up with in a desperate attempt to sway our voters to vote Lie-beral.

http://www.chargemoore.com/

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quote Originally posted by Toddster: Any of you other American people feel scared? I've never been more optimistic about our country except perhaps when Uncle Ronny was running the show. And I'm still waiting for an answer Mike...You willing to watch a REAL documentary and see "A Day in the Life of the President"?

Remember the run on plastic and duct tape? (like it would do any good) People were fighting over that stuff!! And yes it was our GOV'T that recommended it. What was that color system about? Homeland insecurity?

FOUR MORE WARS!!! YEAH!!

GL

Its really sad to watch all these grown american men just pass off on the responsibility to their country and their fellow human beings based solely on a political party, but unfortunately Mike thats what these guys are all about. They don't have an open mind about our political leaders. All they have is their propoganda and rhetoric... Things like "Liberal media, flip flopper, hate the french, america is safer, etc.. They will not give up slamming you for your opinion, because its doesn't fit into their little cube of ideas. So they reject it and hate you for it.

I was just in Montreal for the jazz festival, and it was nice to be away from people like that for a little while in a truly international city. It really scares to think of all these americans who truly believe sending poor American kids to fight against poor Iraqi kids was a good idea. Who was it good for Todd? Ask yourself who benefits from these wars? Was it the general US public, because from what I can tell our children, fathers, brothers, sisters, and mothers are dying and being mutilated for what? Is it for national security? Was it to disarm Iraq? Was it to prove a point to the world? Maybe it was for an economic recovery? All of these things seem like decent answers, but they all fall short of being reason enough to slaughter tens of thousands of Iraqi's and 1000's of Americans. Lets face it gentlemen Iraq was the wrong thing to do, whether it was based on no evidence, false evidence, or exagerrated evidence. Either way it has only caused death, suffering, more people to hate America, and money for war companies.

Maybe some of these guys are happy because they hold stock in the compenies making profits in rebuilding Iraq and thier oil industry.

quote Originally posted by Tigger: Yes it is.

thats neat ....you didn't see those recruiters around did you? haha those guys were honestly a joke once again no offence...I don't know if they were racist or whatever(or if was actually a real scene) but they asked a black guy for his name address and just signed him up against his will (even though im sure he can withdraw)

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quote Originally posted by Tigger: Threatening to attack people because you don't agree with what they say? From what I take he doesn't even live in this country, SO. I have a lot of canadian friends and family, I won't take their word for anything but I do like to listen to their points of view. Why the need to tell Mike to stuff it, if his opinion or thoughts don't matter why care about it or tell him to shut up?

When a foreigner tells me that my president is Hitler, whether it be President Clinton or office, or President Bush, I could care less about what he has to say, he instantly loses credibility with remarks like that.
BTW, I don't have the authority to bomb anyone...it was a joke, because he was calling my president a warmonger.
I don't care for the French, had a bad experience staying at the hotel Sofitel in D.C., kinda ruined me on the French...

quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: Its really sad to watch all these grown american men just pass off on the responsibility to their country and their fellow human beings based solely on a political party, but unfortunately Mike thats what these guys are all about. They don't have an open mind about our political leaders. All they have is their propoganda and rhetoric... Things like "Liberal media, flip flopper, hate the french, america is safer, etc.. They will not give up slamming you for your opinion, because its doesn't fit into their little cube of ideas. So they reject it and hate you for it. .

I see people slamming him because he appears both ignorant and lacking of an open mind for believing that everything in that movie is fact or based on fact. That is what he implied. He watched this "movie" and all of a sudden most of it's contents are truth in his mind.

quote: "DOES THE TRUTH HURT?!?!?!. BTW I don't believe 100% of this movie is true but I believe most of it is"

I ask what truth? We all know about the guy who made that movie....like it was going to do anything other than make Bush look like total trash.

Anyone who would watch that movie and say "wow, Bush is a total piece of garbage" obviously doesn't know how to think for themselves. I don't care for Bush either, but I wouldn't let a stupid piece of propaganda like that movie feed my fire.

quote Originally posted by MontrealMike: VERY GOOD POINT.....eliminating Al Queda was a great idea......the problem is the they're was gas put on the fire.....groups like Al Queda (in my opinion) are increased in number by horrible things the America has done in other countries HOW MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE (from other countries) have died in IRAQ and Afganistan......how many of them they're Children....wifes have died....Do you not think the HUSBANDS, Children or whoever might want to get Revenge....We are talking about thousands and thousands of innocent people have died calculate at least X3 of the family members of those people who swear to get revenge.....NOW start calling them "Insurgents"

What "horrible"" things? This is the crap I am talking about. How many people has America liberated from bondage? Remember the Spanish American War? Philipino Indiependence. Remember WW1 and WW2? Europe liberated. Korea? Bosnia? Etc. etc.

Now how many people have the French liberated? ZERO! These guys have a LONG history of sacrificing human life for business interests by collaborating with dictatorships. Vichi ring any bells? Look at the entire food for oil scandal...well, I'd tell you to look at it if the left wing media would bother to report it.

Your media is your source of info, not real research. So why do you come here and tell Americans how to vote when your ONLY source of data is the home movie of a self proclaimed Socialist like Micheal Moore and CNN????

Give me a break. Pick-up a history book. In case you haven't noticed, Germany is run by Germnas again. Japan is run by Japanese again. Iraq is run by Iraqis...for the first time in history. We are spreading democracy and getting lambasted for it. Tell me Mike, does that make sense to you? Go do some homework.

quote Originally posted by trailboss: When a foreigner tells me that my president is Hitler, whether it be President Clinton or office, or President Bush, I could care less about what he has to say, he instantly loses credibility with remarks like that.

I was exagerating obviously to gate my point across considering he hasn't put any iraqi's in oven's and has not YET started WW3 but if this guy remains as President I can easily see him as the instigator!

When the movie came out, M. Moore said straight up, "This is not a documentary..." Yet so many people keep talking as if it is. It's a frigin movie... If you don't like it, don't see it. If you want to do a movie to the contrary, go ahead (how much money would you make?).

His bias is evident, and he has never kept his agenda a secret.

I personally loved his show "TV Nation", especially the one where he rode into a small town in mid-America with banners saying "Stop wasteful government spending" (and was greeted with cheer's from everybody) and then systematically pointed out all the things the government was paying for in their town... (A Coast Guard training camp 1000 miles away from any coast?). At the end he rode out with those same banners, but people were just ignoring and/or booing him.

I can appreciate how he likes to point out our social inequities.

There is a fine line between being entertaining and being downright defiant.

The timing of this movie is questionable, and his demeanor in the awards show was abysmal...

Everybody has an agenda (Clinton wanted sex with anybody other than Hillary - Bush wanted Iraq way before 9/11 [Do you suppose that's why we found Saddamhidden in a hole in a field, and have yet to locate a Bin Laden, a man who requires dialisys?] and me, I just want to get the new motor in my SE).

Exercise you right to vote this year and let's get on to more palatable subjects like...

IS WRESTLING FOR REAL?

quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: Who was it good for Todd?

This is a joke right?

Are you telling me that my grandfrather fought in WW2 for nothing? That it didn't benefit anyone? Here is what I see. 80% of the people polled in Iraq say that the country is better off now than before. 81% feel that relations with America are improved over what they were before. That's good for America...right? 62% of Afghanis polled think the country is headed in the right direction. Good or bad for America? Pakistan is an ally in the war on terror now and so is Saudi Arabia. Both see the writing on the wall and have "knocked-off" the religious rhetoric. Good or bad? Libya has shipped out it's nuclear weapons program materials to the US for destruction. Good or Bad for America? We have not suffered a single attack on US targets outside of the war zone in 3 years (longer than at ANY time during Clinton's watch where we suffered one attack per year) Good or Bad? In return for the lives of a 1000 brave American Heros (less than 1 tenth of 1 percent of the American losses after ww2) we have ensured American security, freed tens of Millions of slaves from bondage, established freedom in teh Middle-East. Established a strategic outpost in that part of the world for the proliferation of democracy and peace, and have brought the major terror networks to their knees!
Good or bad?

Who was it good for? Gimme a brake!

quote Originally posted by ditch: Anyone who would watch that movie and say "wow, Bush is a total piece of garbage" obviously doesn't know how to think for themselves. I don't care for Bush either, but I wouldn't let a stupid piece of propaganda like that movie feed my fire.

What I dont think you understand is I ALWAYS thought Bush was a "total piece of garbage" the only day I thought highly of him is when during the war he went to Iraq to talk to the Soldiers....that was the only time that I thought of him highly...the movie only put fuel on MY fire as I stated before

quote Originally posted by MontrealMike: I was exagerating obviously to gate my point across

Kind of like your buddy Jabba the butt does huh?

I'm beginning to see a pattern here.

"the movie only put fuel on MY fire as I stated before"
as it was designed to do.puppets shouldn't vote.

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It really scares to think of all these americans who truly believe sending poor American kids to fight against poor Iraqi kids was a good idea. Who was it good for ?
I don't see kids going to war, I see young men {and women} that are proud to serve our country, and they are fighting men, not kids.

Ask yourself who benefits from these wars?
Iraq and Afghanistan were just polled, and they like it much better than Saddam and the Taliban. Instead of living under opressive dictators, they can self govern for the first time ever.
After uday rapes your wife on the altar and feeds you to the plastic shredder, you have no benefits to enjoy.
Was it the general US public, because from what I can tell our children, fathers, brothers, sisters, and mothers are dying and being mutilated for what?
Leading the world in fighting terrorism and nipping it in the bud on the terrorist's front porch instead of our own.
Is it for national security?
yes, read the Senate intel. report that was just published, saddam was cooperating with terrorists that wanted to attack us. this was from a bipartisan finding.
Was it to disarm Iraq?
Bingo!
Was it to prove a point to the world?
No, it was to honor the U.N. resolutions that the rest of the world signed on to and for national security
Maybe it was for an economic recovery?
only in a moveon mindset
All of these things seem like decent answers, but they all fall short of being reason enough to slaughter tens of thousands of Iraqi's and 1000's of Americans. Lets face it gentlemen Iraq was the wrong thing to do, whether it was based on no evidence, false evidence, or exagerrated evidence. Either way it has only caused death, suffering, more people to hate America, and money for war companies.
1000's of Americans? bad math..
We have killed far less Iraqi's than their own dictator did.

Maybe some of these guys are happy because they hold stock in the compenies making profits in rebuilding Iraq and thier oil industry.
Ask Ta-ray-suh Kerry, she had stock until very recently, in Haliburton and quite a bit of oil stocks also

quote Originally posted by fourfoot23: When the movie came out, M. Moore said straight up, "This is not a documentary..." Yet so many people keep talking as if it is. It's a frigin movie... If you don't like it, don't see it. If you want to do a movie to the contrary, go ahead (how much money would you make?).

This guy is cool (and not even necessarily a republican or bush supporter... just someone with a real perspective!) - I heard about him & his film on the radio last week: http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/

Few more bits to add (even though I generally don't participate in political discussions online - as they go nowhere).

What was bush doing for those 7 minutes? Why didn't he react? shock just like the rest of us... even though he's the president, he's still human.

Facts? Whatever - I've heard direct statements from people in F911 who pointed out that their statements were used out of context, manipulating their intent.

Documentary? Even Moore knows well enough that it's a work of fiction...

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quote Originally posted by MontrealMike: I really enjoyed this movie and I have been reading some other PFF members posts on the movie and I found a lot of them very ignorant(Many mentioned they turned off the movie after 10-15mins)....WHY DOES THE TRUTH HURT?!?!?! Get the guy out from being president he cheated way in and he brainwashed most of you into thinking this war was worth starting...(not that he gave you much choice either ) Anyways I really hope you vote this guy out. BTW I don't believe 100% of this movie is true but I believe most of it is.

"I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT HE WAS CONTINUING TO READ THE KIDS AS HE WAS TOLD HIS COUNTRY IS UNDER ATTACK (If that part of the movie is true that really SAD) anyways just had to say something after watching that. What did the rest of you think of it?"

It's almost as if he knew it was occuring, right? That is obviously one conspiracy theory. I haven't seen the movie yet, but am this weekend. How can a leader of a country not drop everything when he hears of this news? One question, was the book at least upright?!!!!

quote Originally posted by Toddster: This is a joke right? Are you telling me that my grandfrather fought in WW2 for nothing? That it didn't benefit anyone? Here is what I see. 80% of the people polled in Iraq say that the country is better off now than before. 81% feel that relations with America are improved over what they were before. That's good for America...right? 62% of Afghanis polled think the country is headed in the right direction. Good or bad for America? Pakistan is an ally in the war on terror now and so is Saudi Arabia. Both see the writing on the wall and have "knocked-off" the religious rhetoric. Good or bad? Libya has shipped out it's nuclear weapons program materials to the US for destruction. Good or Bad for America? We have not suffered a single attack on US targets outside of the war zone in 3 years (longer than at ANY time during Clinton's watch where we suffered one attack per year) Good or Bad? In return for the lives of a 1000 brave American Heros (less than 1 tenth of 1 percent of the American losses after ww2) we have ensured American security, freed tens of Millions of slaves from bondage, established freedom in teh Middle-East. Established a strategic outpost in that part of the world for the proliferation of democracy and peace, and have brought the major terror networks to their knees! Good or bad? Who was it good for? :wtf: Gimme a brake! :rolleyes:

No Todd. You give ME a break.

Korea, WW1, and WW2 have nothing to do with this discussion. Afghanistan maybe, but the rest of your argument is just American bravado. No merit to the discussion. F 9/11 is certainly biased, but it is only biased when Moore opens his mouth, and its biased because it only shows half of the story. But that half of the story IS TRUE. Yup thats right, interviews with soldiers, interviews with soldiers families, pictures of dead Iraqi children, pictures of dead American soldiers, video of President Bush saying outrageously careless things like " The Have's and the have mores, some people call you the elite, I just call you my base". Thats all FACT. I don't care how its presented, I can make up my own mind on how I feel about these things. You just don't get it, maybe your son should go to Iraq and die for this precious "safety" we are creating.

quote Originally posted by MontrealMike: thats neat ....you didn't see those recruiters around did you?

Yeah. It's very true. They've called me asking me what I was doing and about joining.

I would love for Bush to come and talk to the people of Flint (not just a republican rally) but hell will likely freeze over first.

quote Originally posted by ditch: Anyone who would watch that movie and say "wow, Bush is a total piece of garbage" obviously doesn't know how to think for themselves. I don't care for Bush either, but I wouldn't let a stupid piece of propaganda like that movie feed my fire.

Pardon me. Before I went to see it I knowingly told myself that not everything in the movie would be true.

I don't have a problem thinking for myself.

The movie is not what you think it is, it wasn't what I thought it would be, have you seen it?

quote Originally posted by MinnGreenGT: Facts? Whatever - I've heard direct statements from people in F911 who pointed out that their statements were used out of context, manipulating their intent.

Yeah just like Bush is quoted as saying, "A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question about it." Bush was also saying "Dealing with Congress is a matter of give and take," Bush said before his trip down Pennsylvania Avenue. "The president doesn't get everything he wants, the Congress doesn't get everything they want. But we're finding good common ground."

So why did he say a dictatorship would be heck of a lot easier? Wouldn't "Gee, getting my policies passed sure takes an act of congress!"

Sure it was out of context, but it speaks volumes as to what he's thinking.

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Let me point out something here. Your name is MontrealMike right? I take it this means you are from Canada. Why are you so worried about our politics, which have nothing to do with you or yoru country? Michael Moore makes a very entertaining movie, with a hint of truth added to confuse those who see it. He also calls his movies documentaries, but they are more fiction than fact. His movies are just that, entertainment. As one critic commented, he distorts the truth so much in the first 15 minutes of the movie that it would take 3 hours to explain how he did it. Mike Mooer is the ultimate manipulator and anyone that takes what he says at face value is an ignorant fool. I guess Mr. Moore's scare tactics worked on you, as you believe you are going to be nuked in a couple of years. Fat chance.

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quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: But that half of the story IS TRUE. Yup thats right, interviews with soldiers, interviews with soldiers families, pictures of dead Iraqi children, pictures of dead American soldiers, video of President Bush saying outrageously careless things like " The Have's and the have mores, some people call you the elite, I just call you my base". Thats all FACT. I don't care how its presented, I can make up my own mind on how I feel about these things. You just don't get it, maybe your son should go to Iraq and die for this precious "safety" we are creating.

No it isn't. Know why? Because teh term "half" means 50%. This film represents the wacko opinion of 1% of the population but it is being thrown out there like common man on the street dogma. Horseshit!

When Moore shows Bush sitting for 7 minutes before leaving the class room, that is fact. No arguement. He sat there for 7 minutes. BUT when Moore suggests that he is waiting to be told what to do and others are standing around whispering to each other "isn't the President going to do something". THAT IS A LIE! As I already stated earlier, what happened according to a REAL documentary called a Day in teh Life of the President hosted by Tom Brokaw the President was ordered to stay put by the Secret Service and was obviously uncomfortable as HELL waiting to get out of there but couldn't because the Secret Service had not secured the facility yet. They also set-up a secure command center in an anti-room and the President was filmed rushing in and grabbing a phone and GIVING the orders, not asking to be told what to do. Did Moore show ANY OF THAT in F911? ANY OF IT!??? NO.

Misleading, a lie, not open to interpretation, propoganda, pure and simple.

quote Originally posted by avengador1: Let me point out something here. Your name is MontrealMike right? I take it this means you are from Canada. Why are you so worried about our politics, which have nothing to do with you or yoru country?

Because what you guys do has a direct effect on us. We aren't just stuck in a bubble, only concerned with our own country, asking "Do you guys live in igloos".. well, you get what I mean..

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: as it was designed to do.puppets shouldn't vote.

Agree, and we shouldn't elect puppets into office.

quote Originally posted by MontrealMike: What I dont think you understand is I ALWAYS thought Bush was a "total piece of garbage"

Believe me Mike, No one here doubts that. Clearly your hatred for him has slanted your objectivity.

Answer a question for me:

Halliburton gets a NO-BID award for war reparation services; 77 Billion is spent on a war in a Muslim Country in a Pre-emptive attack; The reasons for war later prove to be questionable.

Do you impeach the President? Yes or no?

quote Originally posted by avengador1: Let me point out something here. Your name is MontrealMike right? I take it this means you are from Canada. Why are you so worried about our politics, which have nothing to do with you or yoru country? Michael Moore makes a very entertaining movie, with a hint of truth added to confuse those who see it. He also calls his movies documentaries, but they are more fiction than fact. His movies are just that, entertainment. As one critic commented, he distorts the truth so much in the first 15 minutes of the movie that it would take 3 hours to explain how he did it. Mike Mooer is the ultimate manipulator and anyone that takes what he says at face value is an ignorant fool.

Canadians are very interested in American politics because America runs/affects the world through policies and business. And if we start a war AGAIN canadians will be affected.

Michael Moore openly says his movie isn't a documentary.

It isn't fiction, its an opinion based on fact, but if you look past his opnion and just look at all the facts sitting there its actually very interesting and eye opening.

I bet that critic was a Bush supporter, I watched those 15 minutes and partially agree with Moore's assertion of the 2000 election. I mean lets face it, the vote counter official was a G W Bush campaign worker, the Governor is W's brother, and tens of thousands of black people were written off as felons and not allowed to vote. Who has the authority do that? Well how about a major campaign contributing company contracted from the state of Florida by Jeb Bush. Who was it that first announced that Bush was the projected winner of the Fla election? Oh Wait its George Bushes first cousin at Fox news that made that decision. Whether you like it or not, those are all FACTS. Thats doesn't mean they conspired to steal the elction, but where there's smoke theres usually fire.

I was not manipulated by M. Moore, as a matter of fact I was outraged at his Academy Awards outburst and hated him for that. Then I saw him speak, then I saw his movies, now I believe he is doing the right thing.

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quote Originally posted by JohnnyK: Because what you guys do has a direct effect on us. We aren't just stuck in a bubble, only concerned with our own country, asking "Do you guys live in igloos".. well, you get what I mean..

Shutup JohnnyK! The American right to free speech is only for us Americans.

I'm just kidding you know.

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