If you add the left lane's time of 11.294 with the "Right 1st .7851" together, you get a right lane time of 12.0791. A 12.0 quarter mile time isnt bad when it's your first time to the track with a car that has 500HP with a stickshift with who knows what type of tires! Why lie about something like that Tyler? My best time with my car is a 13.9. Had a bad clutch and everything. I'm not going to come onto the forum and lie about it. You can always get better at driving and make the car faster. No point in making yourself look stupid over something like that.
Ok Smooth....since you think anyone can make claims on the performance of their cars without really proving it then lets jus say i run 9 sec quarter miles at 150 miles an hour. On street tires...in 100 degre weather...spinning through 1st and second. Oh and while i am at it I lift the front wheels through the 1/8th mile. What don't believe me? TOO BAD!!
We have a duty to point out members when they are obviously not telling the truth. otherwise noone would belive anything written on this forum. You shouldn't be upset with those challanging the claims be upset at GT-X for stated the false claims to begine with.
GT-X could still save face by posting his other slips.
I understand what you are saying... what EVERYONE is saying and why.... I am saying what I am saying because I have been talking to Tyler in a PM and HE DID RUN a 10.62!! I have seen the REAL SLIP! He does'nt want me to show it, but I did the math and IT'S RIGHT! Here's a partial quote from his PM! quoted by GT-X: Yes I did take my car to the track and I did run a 10.62et at 124 mph. but no that isnt my timslip on the thread as a matter of fact its not even a timeslip. I typed it up and added effects to make it look like it came out of recept thing.and yes there are math errors in it i also added them on purpose. I do also have my real timeslip.
Why would anyone in their right mind do what he claims to have done???? Worse yet is that he has not posted the reason he had done so, and the fact that he has gotten pretty upset and deleted his early posts. Something smells very rotten in his methods of communicating!!!
Some other things don't add up either, normally if someone gets some neat toys for their car, they come here to tell people what they purchased. A couple things are very necessary to reach 10's with a Fiero, one heck of a great clutch, drag radials, line lock, and more than one run to dial it all in. I didn't see anything in his posts to support those items. Any Michigan track that I've been to, if you ran below 12 sec., they'd send you packing immediately until your car was equipped with all safety equipment required (hence one of the reasons I never tried to get below 12).
Something just doesn't add up here, and I'm not talking about the numbers on the time slip. He just got this car running, just before the 20th Show this year, It takes time to tune the car in unless you know some kind of great Magic, let alone one big bank account.
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I understand what you are saying... what EVERYONE is saying and why.... I am saying what I am saying because I have been talking to Tyler in a PM and HE DID RUN a 10.62!! I have seen the REAL SLIP! He does'nt want me to show it, but I did the math and IT'S RIGHT! Here's a partial quote from his PM! quoted by GT-X: Yes I did take my car to the track and I did run a 10.62et at 124 mph. but no that isnt my timslip on the thread as a matter of fact its not even a timeslip. I typed it up and added effects to make it look like it came out of recept thing.and yes there are math errors in it i also added them on purpose. I do also have my real timeslip.
i dont wanna come in here and start nothing but im just curiois smooth, how come if he has a real time slip and you have seen it he doesnt want to post it? and why would he purposly make up fake info and post it to be real? why not just post the real info in the firstplace and save from being cought and ragged on to death? you saw his real time slip? or did he go on yahoo and look up ten second cars find a picture of someone elses real time slip and send it to you saying it was his? just wondering whats going on.
Fierotrevor, I will tell you why people do stuff like this: it is because they have an ego problem. What this guy did reminds me of someone's car I saw in a magazine who said it did this or that right in the article. Then when this person was confronted with his claims, plus with the facts that other people had similar cars and mods but the numbers didn't jive; this person backed away and said something like this: "i haven't done this, i never told the magazine that, maybe you should call the editor of the magazine and ask them where they got that information because I didn't tell them anything about that". What, does this person think I am stupid? We live in a world of man eating lawyers that look for any reason or niche to make money any way they can. There is NO WAY any competent magazine editor would simply print false or untrue information ON THEIR OWN for fear of a lawsuit. I think some people just have so little self esteem that they feel they need to PROVE something to the rest of the world. I think those people are just sad when they present lies and deceit as FACTUAL PROOF. This kind of behavior represents everything that is wrong with our world in this day and age.
I understand what you are saying... what EVERYONE is saying and why.... I am saying what I am saying because I have been talking to Tyler in a PM and HE DID RUN a 10.62!! I have seen the REAL SLIP! He does'nt want me to show it, but I did the math and IT'S RIGHT! Here's a partial quote from his PM! quoted by GT-X: Yes I did take my car to the track and I did run a 10.62et at 124 mph. but no that isnt my timslip on the thread as a matter of fact its not even a timeslip. I typed it up and added effects to make it look like it came out of recept thing.and yes there are math errors in it i also added them on purpose. I do also have my real timeslip.
Smoooooth: Come into the light, man... he's obviously lying to you, too, and he's talking to you most likely because you're the only one who still believes he's tellin' the truth.
Let's look at the facts here...
The numbers are edited. If that 'mock-up' on the first page is, in fact, mocked-up, then he went through a helluva lot of trouble to edit a lot of dot matrix-style font work to make it look like printing impression bleeds. Not only that, but he did a very poor job about making it look real, because it looks more like a scan that was messed with anyway!
Add to the above the fact that only a FEW numbers from that slip match up pixel-for-pixel, and both those numbers that are in question are on the side where HIS numbers are.
Numbers provided by others are NOT questionable in this case. GT-X's numbers, however, ARE questionable. The facts have been said, and said many times over: they do NOT add up!!
Also, why the heck did he pull ALL his pictures from ALL the posts listed here as links? Who would be so lame as to pull out EVERYTHING ON A FORUM just because someone proved him wrong and is trying to get the truth? All of them dated the SAME DAY (8-30-2003).
And the suspicious ebay_1.jpg?
Wait a second... ((goes to read GT-X's quote again))
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Originally posted by Smoooooth GT:
quoted by GT-X: and yes there are math errors in it i also added them on purpose.
I'm sorry, I'd never say this otherwise, but "HAHAHAHAHAHA!!"
Why on earth would ANYONE do this??? And then lie about it AGAIN with this post:
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Originally posted by GT-X:
I really have no reason to fake a timeslip cause I really dont car if my car is the fastest i built it for the sole purpose of it putting a smile on my face everytime i hit the gas, and thats exactly why I shouldnt have posted but for one stupid instant i thought there might be some people who would like to know. And, No. you will see no other proof. as i've no need to post more proof than that slip. if you dont belive that, fine. but stay out of my thread so it doesnt end up goin down in flames.
Tyler
So lemme get something straight here... He decided to fabricate a fake timeslip, one that would obviously take anyone a considerable amount of time to make, when he had the real one all along? One which he coulda simply scanned and shown us, one which would have placed no questions in our minds if the numbers were real? Then goes and lies about it, trying to cover his behind by saying something like "I really have no reason to fake a timeslip," while at the same time telling you that he faked it???
He's lying through his *** here, Smoooooth, and you're sucking in every one of those lies. Otherwise he shoulda come clean and all this would have just blown over a lot quicker.
This forum is sloping down hill, why cant we all just get along, when I joined back in February it seemed alot of people on here had Fieros, now half the people on here dont even own a Fiero. Everyone Argues, someone posts a question, and gets some smartass replies. I dont see this being a big factor so what he photochopped it, chuckle and laugh at him point it out and have it be the end, there is no point in arguing over piddly , Everyone on here knows who they can trust and who they cant, we all know Kameo, California Kid, and Skitime have the 3 baddest Fieros! WHO CARES? Forums need to be informational not full of BS.. The Forum needs to be more Fiero Based, not who is better than who... Everyone does what they want to their car and everyone should appreciate their likings If you dont like it then dont post, Im thankful for the help from the People on the forum they know who they are, but I dont jump in a Post and bash something that says "New Bumper Mods What do you think" I read it and if I dont like it I dont say anything, while others are like thats gross ugly what the hell are you thinking! Noone likes or wants to be bashed!
Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics, win or lose you are still a retard.
Now end the Childish Bullshit.
Edit: My opinion on Kameo, Cali Kid, and Skitime on having the 3 nicest cars, their are alot of others out there but for the modded ones those are my 3 favorites!
"Forums need to be informational not full of BS.."
That's why GT-X was challenged! If he did it, we want the information as to how. What kind of clutch, transmission mods.... BS is exactly what we're walking in, it shouldn't be on the forum, nor should it be believed verbatum.
I was amazed and believed his first post because I'm not a drag racer, no experience at all. A big thanks to all who brought the truth out.
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BTW, I have six Fieros parked around the house, three with titles, all stock. Man, I love driving my '88 Formula. Love the handling, the little V-6 noises, just driving around a few feet above the ground, its like my little yellow, street legal go kart.
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...hey it is informative...look at all the ways shown of how this is a fake time slip...so that in the future, anyone attempting this can know what not to do and how to make the number 'add' up
Arizona,I was one of the first to tell him great job on his times.All I did was look at the bottom line.Thanks to the observant people on this forum it has been shown to be a bunch of crap.I am putting together a high horsepower V8 Fiero and thanks to him I may not be believed if my car should be good enough to turn those kinds of times.As far as the number of Fiero owners on this forum;who cares.As long as they have an interest in these cars what does it matter if they own none,one or twenty?As far as this forum going downhill;It has a lot of intelligent people on here that can smell bull**** right away and say something about it.I applaud them!I also thank them for being more observant than me!
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I have never drag raced so I couldn't tell a fake one for a real one, but I think it is getting a little harsh. IMO if he did fake it he should say " I let my ego get ahead of my thinking sorry" and if it is real do it again and make everyone else eat crow. After all we forgave worse around here, and we all make dumb *** moves now and then. He did do allot of nice work to the car with a neat install from the pictures... You can't take that away.
Unfortunately the car on the left exceeded lightspeed and has disappeared from the known universe. The proof of that is the fact that the last 320' were covered instantaneously.
I understand what you are saying... what EVERYONE is saying and why.... I am saying what I am saying because I have been talking to Tyler in a PM and HE DID RUN a 10.62!! I have seen the REAL SLIP! He does'nt want me to show it, but I did the math and IT'S RIGHT! Here's a partial quote from his PM! quoted by GT-X: Yes I did take my car to the track and I did run a 10.62et at 124 mph. but no that isnt my timslip on the thread as a matter of fact its not even a timeslip. I typed it up and added effects to make it look like it came out of recept thing.and yes there are math errors in it i also added them on purpose. I do also have my real timeslip.
I need to say [/John Cleese voice] to my previous post where I stated "I hereby your " [off/John Cleese voice]
I'm stricken with optimisim and nievety. Sure wish GT-X had been completely honest.
I am putting together a high horsepower V8 Fiero and thanks to him I may not be believed if my car should be good enough to turn those kinds of times.
What you can do is get a video, if you dont have a video camera or a way of uploading it to your computer, simply use a regualr camera with zoom and take a picture of the time board with the car going by it and post the matching time slip.
im dissapointed here as well. I thought they were real at first until i read everything to find they are not. With his power specs i have no doubt he could run mid-high tens. I believe that he ran, got the mid 11 times and that wasnt as well as he hoped probably because of final tuning needed and traction problems. Being dissapointed he photoshopped the slip to what he thought it should have ran.
as a side note, X's vid doesnt prove anything really. All you here is a fuzzy "left side 11.63 at 115, right side" Audio is extreamly easy to edit. Show me a video of him making the pass and his time shown up on the board then I'll believe it completely. I just still have my doubts but we'll see what happens when he posts his 10 second run
PBJ, he had to cut his decklid in half because he wouldnt have been able to open it normally because of his rear spoiler
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fierox: fastest v6 on the forum maybe.. Remember that 9 out of 10 FIero owners I meet on the road have never heard of PFF..
Yeah that's true but we still are a good portion of it. I still dont see the logic in forging a timeslip. When my 3800sc is done I hope I can pull a 13 and if I do I will have a slip and a video just for fun. It doesn't matter if you dont believe me or not, but Im not going to get on here and forge some slip to get someone's respect, its my car and my business how it runs. I dont see why people even build up engines if all they can do to make themselves feel good is to fake a slip. You spent all that time and money for a fake deal? Doesn't seem right to me.
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Yes smoooth that is poosible. A guy in town has a honda that ran 10 somthing at 132 mph. Thats alot of spinning though... so Until theres a timeslip thats real, accompanied by a video... I will call BS.
On a seperate note... Yes FieroX's times are 100 percent real. I was there for the 12.004 run; and have seen, ridden in, and helped work on that car. It IS real. -Ryan
Enough is enough. Either way, this is pointless. But I will say this, I am very hesitant to post any times. Do I really have to have video, a digital (I'm sorry an original) photo, 15 eye witnesses, a signed slip from the track, and the testimony of a trusted preacher to post a time?
Please, by now with all of these posts, everyone can use their own judgement about this issue. Kiss and make up. Life is too short.
P.S. Smoooooth.... I don't think any one is listening. Sorry.
------------------ Paul Hosler - Silver '87 GT Daily diver. - Modified IMSA Tube chassis racecar (in progress)
Smoooth, yes a 10.6 at 124 is completely possible. But 124 mph is about the average mph of a car that goes 11.2 or so. To run a 10.62 without diving on the brakes at the finish line you would have to have a 60' time of 1.40 or there abouts. Your average car that runs 10.60's is in the 130 mph range, with 1.50 60's, Im still calling bs. Just ask yourself this one question. If he had the real slip all along, why would he spend the time in photoshop, and waste the time posting a fake one?
You know, He just decided that this forum has gone to hell... Example: There was a thread on Page 2 about a guy who painted his Fiero wuth NO replies, and then this thread is on the second page just because Why?? Everyone just about like's these thread's better then a regular thread..
You are comparing the Holy Grail to a coffee cup. Of course people are going to be pissed and rant on for ever when someone claims he has reached what every other single Fiero out there is trying to reach. And he decided this forum has gone to hell? If anything, it's because of bs like this. Not because a thread about a guy painting his car gets no replies.
I'm sorry, but I get seriously p'd off when someone uses "this forum is going to hell" as a sorry excuse to post bs.
If he was so concerned about a thread about a guy painting his car not getting any replies, then why didn't he reply himself?
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That was not why it got posted... and YES he did reach what we all would like to claim...
So why did he post it then? To prove a point? To prove that this forum is going to hell? Or did he post it to completely destroy his credibility? If he did it to prove this forum is going to hell, then you bet your *** people are going to be all over him. And I will be too. Either way you slice, cut or dice it, it doesn't add up. He was caught on a lie, and he did not do it to prove a point. If so, he would have informed a few people beforehand that he would do so, as to be sure he could either a) gloat about it, b) actually prove a point to anyone other then himself, c) make sure he wouldn't make an *** out of himself.
He wants to prove his point? Let's see the real timeslip then. Make us eat our words. Oh, I get it. He's done with the forum. So you've seen the timeslip? In a PM? And you are 100% sure it's not faked either? If he send it to you in PM, it's still in your inbox. Send it to me or one of the other PhotoShop experts here and we can say for 99% sure if it was faked or not.
Again, I get seriously p'd off when someone attacks the forum just because he's been caught with his pants down. I kinda take that personal.
he told me about it BEFORE it was posted, why he did it, I WON'T say!
How convenient. So you actually both thought it would be fun to "prove" this forum is going to hell? I'm not attacking you Smooooth, I have too much respect for you (and your car - if it's ever going to be finished ) here on the forum to do so. I'm just trying to figure out why you choose to defend him, while he's obviously pulling your leg too.
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Yes, I have seen it, in my email... not a PM!
Even better, then it's still on your computer and it can't be pulled by Tyler.
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I talked to Tyler this morning and he does'nt want me to post it as of yet...
And he has a very good reason for that of course. Is he preparing for his big finale? A finale that will prove beyond a reasonable doubt that this forum is a waste of people's time?
I'm not asking you to post it, I'm asking you to send it to me.
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Cliff, This is the internet, don't take any of ANYTHING personal!
No, this is something I put my blood, sweat and tears in. How can I not take this personal? If someone calls your car (where you've obviously put a lot of time in) a piece of junk on wheels, you don't take it personal? If you don't, then you are a better person than I am.
, Everyone on here knows who they can trust and who they cant, we all know Kameo, California Kid, and Skitime have the 3 baddest Fieros! WHO CARES? Forums need to be informational not full of BS.. The Forum needs to be more Fiero Based, not who is better than who... Everyone does what they want to their car and everyone should appreciate their likings If you dont like it then dont post, Im thankful for the help from the People on the forum they know who they are, but I dont jump in a Post and bash something that says "New Bumper Mods What do you think" I read it and if I dont like it I dont say anything, while others are like thats gross ugly what the hell are you thinking! Noone likes or wants to be bashed!
What is it a picture of..?? 
