Oh, I don't like higher gas prices anymore than anyone else, and if I had a 60 mile round trip commute to work every day, I'd like it even less. The truth is, we've been paying way less than most of the rest of the world for a long time. I believe our Canadian and Australian members have been paying the equivilent of $2/gal or more for a long time. So far, gas here hasn't breached the $2/gal mark yet, but it only has to increase .001 cents to do so-$1.999 yesterday is what I paid for convience store gas.
$2 a Gallon was a long time ago. Here it varies from $4.60 AU a gallon to $6.20 AU a gallon up the coast. Try running a thirsty 4x4, a 5.7 litre SS and soon a 3800sc Fiero on those prices. Not that I complain mind you. I want the power and versatility, I have to pay.
Speaking of fuel I still have that indicator light thingy you wanted.
Correct me if im wrong, but weren't they speculating that there could be among the biggest oil reserves of all times somewhere around the north east corner of Canada?
I'm having the weirdest problem with the Forum (but no other links in fiero.nl) with the web pages not looking right. I'm using firefox browser. Anyone else noticed this?
Anyway, got gas today $1.86/gal. The other cool thing is I lost my job in january that had me driving 70 miles round trip each day so I'm kinda savin money all around! Too bad I ain't makin any...
I put the best in may mustang and it has been running $26 a tank every two weeks. Better then driving a crappy car that gets good milage. I do not live pay day to pay day like most Americans though..
Funny how oil prices have been at the top of every business news report. Gas fell to 1.99 for a couple days here, then shot right up to 2.13 for the last week. Could have been OPEC, could be hurricanes...
Ouch. Hit $2.31/gal today. I forsee $3/gallon. Despite the economy being 'strong' I think the economy is at something of a tipping point with the Fed bent on continuing to raise rates and Bush changing credit card laws. With all the debt in this country folks are going to have a tough time. Relative to what we've known in the past. It's not like we live in Afganistan...
Thought I'd bump this for fun. Prices peaked at 3.45 here a while back, but have fallen back to about 2.19 at discount gas stations this week. I am almost grateful.
Thought I'd bump this for fun. Prices peaked at 3.45 here a while back, but have fallen back to about 2.19 at discount gas stations this week. I am almost grateful.
Sorry, Liberals. It looks like your beloved end of the world will have to wait.
I started my V8 for the first time this week and the smile it put on my face will be worth it. This will be my last post in any thread bitching about the cost of fuel.
$2.15 at the local discount gas station. I have checked, and I get marginally better gas mileage with premium, doubt it's worth the .20 increase per gallon to gain 10% better milage. The only upshot is 20 more miles to tankfull.
Why is the government (Own3d by the oil companies) pushing hydrogen instead of BIODEISEL as an alternative fuel? The USA has the most productive, efficient farms in the world. We COULD be growing our own fuel instead of fighting wars to control foreign oil! Just my $.02.9 worth.
According to one study it's just a little cheaper to make bio-diesel from corn (here in Iowa) than to use gasoline. Another researcher pointed out that they had purposely left out the cost of the farm machinery. I'm not a farmer, but I know that some harvesters can cost in the range of hundreds of thousands of dollars.
When all of this is factored in, it's currently definitely more expensive to produce bio-diesel and/or ethanol from crops than the products are worth. You also have to put more energy into making the fuel than you get out of it.
I posted a study on making bio fuels, both diesel and ethanol, a while back. The actual costs varied widely depending on the bias and who did it. Some studies included all of the cost for all of the machinery, even though it was only partially used for making grain for fuel. Another ignored machinery costs all together. Neither approach is fair or accurate. They averaged about a dozen of them and came to the conclusion that there was a net gain in energy in most cases. I think it's getting more favorable as more ethanol plants are being built and the economies of scale are getting better, but that's just an opinion.
John Stricker
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Originally posted by FieroGT42:
According to one study it's just a little cheaper to make bio-diesel from corn (here in Iowa) than to use gasoline. Another researcher pointed out that they had purposely left out the cost of the farm machinery. I'm not a farmer, but I know that some harvesters can cost in the range of hundreds of thousands of dollars.
When all of this is factored in, it's currently definitely more expensive to produce bio-diesel and/or ethanol from crops than the products are worth. You also have to put more energy into making the fuel than you get out of it.
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Here in Newton IA, some folkes got together and sold shares to start a Bio-Diesel plant. The Plant will use soy beans and animal fat as the feed stock. This plant will be on line this time next year. They are already planning for a huge expansion, before the plant comes online. All projected production is all ready spoken for. It seams that several west coast sea ports have pretty much mandated that 'all ships shall run Bio-Diesel while in port'. I guess it makes sence, to someone, to ship this stuff by rail tanker half way across the US to keep west coasters happy.
wow, a co-opped, not-for-profit bio diesel plant? That could be awesome...
When I lived in Minnesota my only choice for electricity was from a co-oped, not-for-profit Rural Electric Cooperative. Somehow that didn't comfort me much when it cost 2 cents per KHW more than from the for profit company.
The market is telling you to do something. Low prices don't encourage conservation which this country badly needs.
In the last year I have moved closer to work with the price of fuel being oone of the main reasons, not only will I save on fuel, when it gets nicer out I can ride my Bicycle to work. Brad
YOU GUYS ARE CHATCHING UP TO OUR GASS PRICES HERE IN AUSTRALIA. oops sorry about the caps We are paying $5 a gallon here and thats on the cheaper days of the prices wars the service stations have on wednesdays
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My electricity and natural gas are both provided by a co-op. (BTW, Co-ops are NOT non-profit, they make quite a bit of profit and return it to their patron/owners years later). My electric rates have gone down from 7.14 cents per kwh to 6.26 cents per kwh from 2 years ago to current rates. That's a reduction of 12%. My natural gas, OTOH, has gone UP from 78.4 cents per therm to 120.4 cents per therm over the same time period. That's an increase of 53%.
In total dollars, I use a lot more electricity than natural gas most of the year, and we've had a mild winter, so the increase hasn't hurt as badly as it could have, but our electric rates are still more than competitive. In fact, most people don't believe we pay the rates we do.
John Stricker
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Originally posted by sanderson:
When I lived in Minnesota my only choice for electricity was from a co-oped, not-for-profit Rural Electric Cooperative. Somehow that didn't comfort me much when it cost 2 cents per KHW more than from the for profit company.
Originally posted by maryjane: And Sanderson--now I get it. You "27mmpg". That's 27 Million Miles Per Gallon? Not bad at all.
or 27 millimeters? The real irony is that if you read the first price per gallon in this thread (of a year ago)..... the price is the same per gallon. What can we surmise from that?
