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The ClayTonto Fiero Build by Archie
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nice job! the waiting for things to dry is the worst.
I think that is why I like metal LOL
can't wait to see it together
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:Sigh: i want a wide body so bad
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Originally posted by Archie:

The last couple of days have been all about making the mold off of the “Buck”.

Then some material to stiffen up the mold & a couple of more layers of fiberglass

After it sits for a couple of days, we take the mold off of the buck.....

This is the "Buck". The "Buck" is pretty much dumpster material now.

In a few days, after we get a part out of the mold, it'll be in the dumpster.



Asking as someone fairly ignorant on the fabrication process, is this the normal method for fiberglassing, or is this method used because you're planning on making more than one part from the mold (which I know is true in the case of the above piece)? In other words, if this was a one-off, would you do all the work to the 'buck' and just use that, or would you still make a mold? I could see if the original 'buck' was a bit of a hodgepodge of materials wanting to have an all-fiberglass piece, but at the same time if you were going to add extra bits to the piece that came out of the mold it seems like extra work for the same result (again, for a one-off).
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Asking as someone fairly ignorant on the fabrication process, is this the normal method for fiberglassing, or is this method used because you're planning on making more than one part from the mold (which I know is true in the case of the above piece)? In other words, if this was a one-off, would you do all the work to the 'buck' and just use that, or would you still make a mold? I could see if the original 'buck' was a bit of a hodgepodge of materials wanting to have an all-fiberglass piece, but at the same time if you were going to add extra bits to the piece that came out of the mold it seems like extra work for the same result (again, for a one-off).


This hatch build is for the purpose of making molds. The "bucks" you see in this thread are in no way able to me used on a car once they have served the purpose of making good quality molds.

If you're doing a "one off" build, I have posted a thread about building a Miura. I just made a post to that thread http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...3/HTML/000003-8.html In that post we are talking about making one off custom dash parts directly from fiberglass with no intent on making molds.

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We just pulled the 1st part out of the mold for the inside skin of the hatch.

As you can see this is a complicated part & it turned out just as good as the outside skin did.



In these pics we have the outside skin laying back in it's mold & the new inside skin laying on top of it like it will lay when we bond the 2 parts together.







Next week we've got to design hinges to make this all work.

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The part is coming along nicely.
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This hatch build is for the purpose of making molds. The "bucks" you see in this thread are in no way able to me used on a car once they have served the purpose of making good quality molds.

If you're doing a "one off" build, I have posted a thread about building a Miura. I just made a post to that thread http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...3/HTML/000003-8.html In that post we are talking about making one off custom dash parts directly from fiberglass with no intent on making molds.

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Thanks Archie, I'll check it out.
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looking great Archie.
your crew makes it look easy. I can't wait to see the finished product.
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We should have the 1st set of hinges fabricated up tomorrow.





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The door on the radio clears as long as the shifter is in 2nd, 4th or 6th gear.



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Cool. Great work.


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Sweet!
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Getting closer Clay.
so when does Archie think it will be done?
I could go for another road trip

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It's hinged & latched.

Note: rear window is taped in right now & temp. 2x4 prop rod.



















Clay, call me tomorrow about your vents.

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Archie that is a fantastic piece that you have made there.

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Sweeeeeeeeet !

Clay you are a lucky guy !
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What kinda rating on that 6 speed torque? Also Are you guys going to use a set of rubber bellows to connect CAI to the filter?
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Clay, call me tomorrow about your vents.

Just got your e-mail, I'll call you Thursday (Today)
 
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Sweeeeeeeeet !
Clay you are a lucky guy !

Thanks, same to you.
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looking good
so when is the road trip? have truck will travel!

I can't wait to finaly see Archies shop, I need more money to spend while I am there though LOL
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Lastly, and this to me was a major issue, If you are planning on using Held's Wilwood brakes/ or if you already have them, consider this. The rear brake kit comes with a 3/8" adapter plate that bolts between the spindle and hub assembly.
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It also comes with a 3/8" aluminum spacer ring that goes on the end of the outboard CV to keep the CV from pulling up into the back of the spindle and locking down while using the 3/8" adapter plate for the calipers. However, this reduces the CV axle spline engagement in relation to the inside splines of the hub assemblies by 3/8". And with a little torque and traction you wind up with this:

Those were brand new hubs! This happened to me in my driveway on my first hard launch. The pass. side one broke on the car, but what is scary is the driver side only cracked and upon removal for inspection, I accidently dropped it and it split also. Just imagine if you were going down the road and this happened. There goes your wheel. Now how many people are riding around with Held's brake kit?
If you are using, or going to use this kit, first thing you need to do is throw away that 3/8" spacer ring for the CV axle and find a good machine shop. You can have 3/8" of material removed from the face of your spindle which takes care of this dangerous problem. It only cost me $80 to have this done. I have sinced launched the car pretty hard a few times and have no fear of splitting the hub assemblies, because the CV splines are fully engaging the hubs now.

Just thought I would share.


How old was the brake kit?
Mine don't mount that way... They must have changed their design. I installed them about 7+ years ago.
Have had zero problems with the hubs... wonder why they changed it?
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We've been working on putting together the rest of the MadArch widebody.

It was determined what types of vents Clay wanted & we have them cut out (don't tell me that they need screens put in them, I already know that).







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Love the look of the vents, good choice clay and archie
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It is like watching Michelangelo paint!
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Originally posted by Archie:

We've been working on putting together the rest of the MadArch widebody.

It was determined what types of vents Clay wanted & we have them cut out (don't tell me that they need screens put in them, I already know that).


Archie


Hmm. I could be wrong, but IMO I wouldn've made a half moon cut on the outer corners of the lower vent (that way it flows with the conture of the window). As for the vent separators... sweet!

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I'll agree with curly on that one, wish the outer edge followed the curve of the top better. But either way it looks hot
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Thanks for all the opinions, guys. The vents are one of the hardest decisions to make (I would have actually prefered to leave them out all together). I played with many ideas in photoshop. This one was my favorite, so I sent the p-shopped pic to Archie. I think he nailed it. I'm sure the vent area is one that will be different for everyone.
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Bringing this up to date a little bit.

We've been working in a few different areas of the car.

We had to modify a bit in the area where the sideburns on the flipper nose meet up with the top of the sideburn area on the Mad-Arch WideBody Rocker panels.

The "T" bracket that was welded in to hold the bottom sideburn area of the cutoff section of the original Fiero front fender had to be redone to accept the wide rocker panels.

Here we've removed the fitting that was on there & are prepping the new parts.









Here we had to add a bit of material to the sideburn area of the flipper front end to give a wide flat area to side down on the "T" brace shown above.







We also added a little material on the trailing edge of the flipper to correct a bit of a miss match in the gap between the front clip & the front edge of the door panel.



Working on filling & sanding now



I'll show you the finished views of this tomorrow.........

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We also are working on installing the spoiler on the trailing edge of the fenders & on the new hatch decklid.







After glassing,filling & sanding, it's looking pretty good.













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Nice re-working of the bracket;





The car is coming along fine. A few more tweaks here 'n there and she's all done.


Question(s); are there any plans to update the side markers (front and rear)?
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We installed the new Aluminium radiator today. Below are some pictures from that installation. Please see the assembly notes that go with the paictures that I posted in this thread.... http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/098899.html



















We also fixed a few mechanical things that Clay wanted us to fix for him.

We also have the body just about done.....





Next week we'll get some pictures of the car sitting on the floor.

Archie


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Archie and crew, just, Awesome!

 
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Question(s); are there any plans to update the side markers (front and rear)?


No plans for custom markers, my styling budget is starting to run tight, and any extra cash flow will go towards performance upgrades (better heads, exhaust, fuel injection) after the body and interior are finished. I prefer Function over Form (but, just barely)
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Looking great!
I love the way the whole thing is going together.

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I love that rear spoiler. Have seen similar ones on other cars. Glad that you went that way with this one. I think that the factory should have made them this way.
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I love that rear spoiler....... I think that the factory should have made them this way.


I agree completely, best looking spoiler I have seen.

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Archie and crew, just, Awesome!


No plans for custom markers, my styling budget is starting to run tight, and any extra cash flow will go towards performance upgrades (better heads, exhaust, fuel injection) after the body and interior are finished. I prefer Function over Form (but, just barely)


Understood. When do you plan on picking up the car and are you driving it back home with massive rollors or as-is?
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I'm glad you guys like the spoiler. It was actually my wife's idea (she's a musclecar fanatic and that was one of her contributions)

 
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When do you plan on picking up the car and are you driving it back home with massive rollors or as-is?


Since I'm still waiting on my wheels, it looks like it's going to be as-is for a while (really wish I would have went with Bonspeeds now) . I should be going to get it as soon as I can accumulate enough time-off from work.
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Since I'm still waiting on my wheels, it looks like it's going to be as-is for a while (really wish I would have went with Bonspeeds now).


What's the hold-up? Was the price comparable to the BonSpeed rims?
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What's the hold-up? Was the price comparable to the BonSpeed rims?


Bonspeeds are a few hundred dollars more, but mine were custom CNC'd, as the old saying goes: Speed, Quality, Price. now pick two.
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I like it. Non choptop wideboy.

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Next week we'll get some pictures of the car sitting on the floor.

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