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The Revitalization of Chop Top #13 FKA "Blackdeath" by Fierotaz
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This is not really a build thread as the car was built by GTX, who did a very nice job. I bought the car from Archie after it sat at his garage for a couple of years. The car had an LT1/LT4 and a 5speed tranny. The body mods include custom extractor hood and matching side vents(GTX), a nice chin spoiler and a 3" Archie chop top. Since the car left GTX it has recieved a 6speed tranny, Suicide doors( //www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/080749.html ), big brakes, lowering spindles in front and coil overs in the back. You can see more pictures here http://azgodfather.smugmug....y/2593405#164416738. I started this thread to chronicle the additional changes I have in store...
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Originally posted by Fierotaz:




You know, I have a suggestion for an improvement.

How about a WideBody with some big wheels on it?





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i like it. looks like something mothers wouldn't want their children to get too close to.


"move away from that timmy, i think it might bite."

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you know... paint scheme in black and white similar to whats already on there would look really sharp

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it looks great, leave it alone,

that being said, maybe paint it ford snow white.

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Originally posted by Archie:


You know, I have a suggestion for an improvement.

How about a WideBody with some big wheels on it?





Archie


It was already a sweet looking car, but a widebody and bigger wheels, puts it right over the top!!

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Thanks for the kind words, I can hardly wait for Fierorama!

Archie,
Thanks for the pic's, it looks freakin' sweet.
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wouldn't the wide body interfere with the suicide doors
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Originally posted by jstntlvr:
wouldn't the wide body interfere with the suicide doors


We thought it would so Archie came up with a modification to address the problem, but when they fit it to the car the doors cleared. I believe there may have been a change to the hinge. Archie?
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Originally posted by Fierotaz:

We thought it would so Archie came up with a modification to address the problem, but when they fit it to the car the doors cleared. I believe there may have been a change to the hinge. Archie?


NOPE, no hinge modifications were needed.

Check this out.........

Going into this I was positive that the door was going to hit the body work of the WideBody.

Here are a sequence of pics I took before we made a decision to go ahead......











Now here's a pic looking straight down on our donor car. In this pic only the wodebody rockerpanel is on the car (white area). We asked "how can that door panel NOT hit the widebody bodywork?"



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NOPE, no hinge modifications were needed.

Now here's a pic looking straight down on our donor car. In this pic only the wodebody rockerpanel is on the car (white area). We asked "how can that door panel NOT hit the widebody bodywork?"



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Okay, inquiring minds want to know... How in the world did the widebody not get in the way?
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These are pics I tok this AM of the door swinging on the right side of the car with the WideBody parts on the car.











How the heck did that happen witout modding the hinges? I gotta give Rob all the credit for the idea that made it happen.



Rob's the one on the Left.

Archie

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I think I have found out why I don't like most chops.

Typically speaking, looking at a chop Fiero it gives a sleeker look from the roof, to the bottom of the windsheld, and side windows.

It makes the car look crushed, because everything else below that, is still stock proportionate.

With that widebody though, it makes the car really squat, widen out and finally look proportionate to the rest of the body.
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I was messing around in paint with this car. I am in now way a photo chop expert, but seeing this car gave me an idea. What would it look like with the wide body fast back elements, but take away the Fastback roof line.

This images is larger than 102400 bytes. Click to view.

It gives the car a very long deck. I kind of like it, but it also kind of reminds me of a pick up truck.

If anyone wants to do a better job in photoshop, have at it. As my picture was trying to give me what I saw in my minds eye.
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Originally posted by WingNut - MD:

I was messing around in paint with this car. I am in now way a photo chop expert, but seeing this car gave me an idea. What would it look like with the wide body fast back elements, but take away the Fastback roof line.

This images is larger than 102400 bytes. Click to view.

It gives the car a very long deck. I kind of like it, but it also kind of reminds me of a pick up truck.

If anyone wants to do a better job in photoshop, have at it. As my picture was trying to give me what I saw in my minds eye.


I would just add a custom notchie clip possibly smoothed out along the lines of the widebody, I like where it's going.
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Taz,

Awesome decision ! The days of the non-widebody chop may be over !

Don't know how anybody could look at this and not just drool all over themselves,..WOW !



Do you plan to have archie add a widebody to the front ??

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Originally posted by exoticse:
Do you plan to have archie add a widebody to the front ??


Yes, Yes I do. That should start as soon as the kit is installed.
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theres a rough idea of a paint scheme in black and white that I think would be sharp

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ooo I like that!
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That two tone is so mean.
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I noticed that on Madcurl's car (#20) he had Archie move the rear fastback pillars inward to create more of a hip effect, and it looked really good.

I thought this might be necessary on the kit to make it look good also but Looking at your car it really looks sharp to me as it is.

Absolutely love it.
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How the heck did that happen witout modding the hinges? I gotta give Rob all the credit for the idea that made it happen.


Im thinking you made the panel concave on on that inside edge
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Originally posted by doublec4:



theres a rough idea of a paint scheme in black and white that I think would be sharp



Yes that is sharp alright! Would you (or somebody) care to try other colors besides white? I am particularly curious how black-n-tan rottweiler colors would look.
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I could try a tan colour...

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This ones for cheevers



its alright I guess....

but if I were to do something like that, I might as well just make it designer

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I love it, I cant wait to see it dad, and drive it.

Man that thing is bad.
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We've mocked up a little wide body thing for the front.

It widens the width of th car at the centerline of the wheel by about 3/4" per side.

What do you think?







We added a little black tape to see what it would look like opened up into a vent.





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Originally posted by Archie:

We've mocked up a little wide body thing for the front.

It widens the width of th car at the centerline of the wheel by about 3/4" per side.

What do you think?







We added a little black tape to see what it would look like opened up into a vent.





Archie


Wow this car is fanTAZtic !!!!!
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woah, that front new fender flows with the body kit a lot better than the stock. thumbs up!
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Oh.. You are soooo mean...

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Oh.. You are soooo mean...

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I'll assume that you plan on sanding & painting fast.

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Well...from day 1...I just couldn't get used to the look of the chop top.
Madcurls car made it start to grow on me a little.
This one...in the 2 tone...definitely does it for me.If this car ends up a solid color...I don't think I'll like it nearly as much...although I'm sure it will still be sweet.

A small suggestion...how about moving the wing back about 3"?
I think that would really improve the overall flow of the back end.

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Bring the wing back a little bit and make it white. I don't have PS anymore or i'd do it.
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Originally posted by Mr.PBody:

Bring the wing back a little bit and make it white. I don't have PS anymore or i'd do it.


I am not sure if I want to bring the wing back or remove it in favor of the bow tie wing.
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"Make something from your imagination; something unique & something nobody has. Anything is possible; ideas can be a reality, and Archie and the Crew can make your Dreams into a reality."

Hey Leroy; aren't you glad you didn't settle. Those phone calls did pay-off in the long run, hee, hee. Congradualation on being the first to have the kit installed on a choptop, front fender flares, and the first using suicide doors.


Edit: Thanks for raising the "bar" of excellence.


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I am not sure if I want to bring the wing back or remove it in favor of the bow tie wing.


I vote for a raised and moved back wing. You won't regret it. The rear visibility is bad enough, a bow tie wing is going to make it worse.
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I vote for a raised and moved back wing. You won't regret it. The rear visibility is bad enough, a bow tie wing is going to make it worse.


Not if I install a camara with an lcd screen to keep tabs on traffic behind me.
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Not if I install a camara with an lcd screen to keep tabs on traffic behind me.


That would certainly help, but I have yet to see a video screen with the clarity of a window. Not to mention that the screen is 2D and you can't easily judge distance. I'm paranoid about not being seen in the Fiero, I don't want to compound that with not being able to see.
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Does This GTX You refer to have a web site? I have to get my hands on that body kit!!
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Originally posted by 42693036901:

Does This GTX You refer to have a web site? I have to get my hands on that body kit!!


GTX is just the original owner.

He paid v-8 Archie to chop the car. Archie also built and sells the body kit that you see.
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