quote Originally posted by Spektrum-87GT: He was referring to roads and bridges.

Not according to his own clarification the next day. But more to the point it demonstrates what we already knew about Obama. He doesnt get it. He thinks the pie is static and those with more of it than others stole it. Both assumptions are wrong

quote Originally posted by Spektrum-87GT: I'd be amazed to see your pool of "rational people" and the data you collected from them in reference to this speech.

Yes you would be amazed, as you are not part of the pool.

quote Originally posted by Spektrum-87GT: Like him, or hate him, watch the video, he's referring to roads and bridges and possibly infrastructure with the statement he made, not the business itself. I personally don't like the guy but can't believe the ignorance in that people actually think he's referring to the business itself.

That's just it I guess.... many, as evidenced here, can't see past their hate. It seems you are now even being attacked because you have an opinion on what was said in the speech, though maybe it's also because you mentioned you are a hard working business owner and aren't regurgitating the talking points people think you should. Go figure.

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quote Originally posted by newf: That's just it I guess.... many, as evidenced here, can't see past their hate. It seems you are now even being attacked because you have an opinion on what was said in the speech, though maybe it's also because you mentioned you are a hard working business owner and aren't regurgitating the talking points people think you should. Go figure.

Or, some have drank too much Obama KoolAid and cant see past the rose color in their glasses to actually see things for what they are.

quote Originally posted by newf: That's just it I guess.... many, as evidenced here, can't see past their hate. It seems you are now even being attacked because you have an opinion on what was said in the speech, though maybe it's also because you mentioned you are a hard working business owner and aren't regurgitating the talking points people think you should. Go figure.

Correcting someone's misinterpretation of words is not "hate"...if that were the case the US Supreme Court would be classifed as a Hate Group.

Obama said, and meant, that the success of a business is not the result of the efforst of the person who started it. He was claiming that other people, including those who build the roads, etc to get there, had a part in it. This is incorrect. Pure and simple.

Try to understand, that EVERY IDEA begins in the mind of just one brain. Without that idea, NOTHING happens. Sure, there are people along the way who swing hammers, and slap paint, and stock shelves...but they didn't create the idea, they didn't create the job, they didn't contribute to the business investment funds or take any risks. Obama was CLEARLY saying that the shelf stocking boy is just as important as the person who started the business and that is NOT TRUE!

We MUST, as a nation, encourage those in our society who are smarter than some of us to continue to create these ideas...which they will only do if they feel there is a reasonable reward for their efforts to be had. Because in the end, if the idea people could care less about trying to risk everything to see their vision come true then you end up looking like the USSR...and die!

This is Obama's "ideal society" and I'm sick of it. I want to live again in a country where genius, risk, and innovation is REWARDED and actually celebrated, not vilified.

Obama CLEARLY vilified achievers, no question about it.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: This is Obama's "ideal society" and I'm sick of it. I want to live again in a country where genius, risk, and innovation is REWARDED and actually celebrated, not vilified.

Not yet. But we are on the path. The fact you and I still have jobs and are able to protest is a sign we are not where he wants this country to be.

quote Originally posted by User00013170: Not yet. But we are on the path. The fact you and I still have jobs and are able to protest is a sign we are not where he wants this country to be.

True, but with Obama's "plumbers" watching who we donate money to, auditing tax returns of conservatives, and blantantly ignoring crimes of left wing groups like the Black Panthers, ACORN, etc we are closer to totalitarian rule than most American's think.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Correcting someone's misinterpretation of words is not "hate"...if that were the case the US Supreme Court would be classifed as a Hate Group. Obama said, and meant, that the success of a business is not the result of the efforst of the person who started it. He was claiming that other people, including those who build the roads, etc to get there, had a part in it. This is incorrect. Pure and simple. Try to understand, that EVERY IDEA begins in the mind of just one brain. Without that idea, NOTHING happens. Sure, there are people along the way who swing hammers, and slap paint, and stock shelves...but they didn't create the idea, they didn't create the job, they didn't contribute to the business investment funds or take any risks. Obama was CLEARLY saying that the shelf stocking boy is just as important as the person who started the business and that is NOT TRUE! We MUST, as a nation, encourage those in our society who are smarter than some of us to continue to create these ideas...which they will only do if they feel there is a reasonable reward for their efforts to be had. Because in the end, if the idea people could care less about trying to risk everything to see their vision come true then you end up looking like the USSR...and die! This is Obama's "ideal society" and I'm sick of it. I want to live again in a country where genius, risk, and innovation is REWARDED and actually celebrated, not vilified. Obama CLEARLY vilified achievers, no question about it.

Thanks for your response it's further evidence (to me anyways) of my point which was that in many cases people seem unable to suspend their hate and fear long enough to think CLEARLY (as you put it).

quote Originally posted by newf: Thanks for your response it's further evidence (to me anyways) of my point which was that in many cases people seem unable to suspend their hate and fear long enough to think CLEARLY (as you put it).

And I thank YOU.

Your deflectory comment in the face of a CLEARLY (as you put it) logical and rational explanation of Obama's comments and their specific meaning is exactly the kind of response I have come to expect from liberals.

Since Liz Warren gave the "You didn't build that on your own" speech before Obama, I wonder if;
1. his folks wrote if for her, letting her be the Ginny Pig?
2. if not is he a plagiarizer or just a parrot?

Love her comment about the rest of us built the roads and bridges and educated your workers, like the business owner never paid a dime toward any of it.
Nice rebuttal at the end.

You didn't land that! You couldn't have done this without the roads that you took the rover over to the launch site.

quote Originally posted by newf: That's just it I guess.... many, as evidenced here, can't see past their hate. Go figure.

So says the guy who assigns motive to our thoughts but can not assign motive to why Nobama would even say such a thing. So says the guy who can not see the context of his whole term.

Go figure.
What if we do hate him ? It doesn't change facts.

Where does the money come from to build bridges, roads, the research that developed the internet, and pay for school teachers?
Somebody else paid for that.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: So says the guy who can not see the context of his whole term.

Newf, check out Nobama's latest tweet. He asks small business owners to tweet back to him and share their story about how his (Nobama's) policies are helping them succeed.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Where does the money come from to build bridges, roads, the research that developed the internet, and pay for school teachers? Somebody else paid for that.

The people who built their businesses or all of us? I think that this is my first post on this thread. I knew that there were going to be some people here who had access to Obamas brain and knew what he really meant. Thank you so much for the translations. I almost took him literally. I'm more used to an opposing view from you. Are you suggesting that they didn't do it on their own?

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I think it is HILARIOUS to me that people actually believe for a MINUTE that Obama was actually talking about roads and bridges.

I mean, seriously... just HOW stupid or gullible are you people that you would actually believe that when he goes into detail about how being smart and working hard had nothing to do with your business flourishing. Roads??? Really??? Do you guys really think that a road superceedes genious, ingenuity, and hard work? Anyone here who actually believes that Obama was talking about roads and bridges is dumb as rocks, or so insanely gullible. If that's the case... I've got a bridge to sell you, Obama gave it to me.


Todd

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: If that's the case... I've got a bridge to sell you, Obama gave it to me.

Excellent post. Excellent punctuation line.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Newf, check out Nobama's latest tweet. He asks small business owners to tweet back to him and share their story about how his (Nobama's) policies are helping them succeed.

Well let me see now,

Obama helped reduce my customer base
Obama has added about 20 hours worth of new legislative paperwork (duplicate in most cases) to my work load per transaction
Obama has reduced my revenues
Obama has increased my costs
Obama has increased my liability exposure
Obama has made my health care more expensive and lowered the quality of it at the same time
And for the coup de gras...he is increasing my taxes on January 1

Thanks Barry

quote Originally posted by dratts: The people who built their businesses or all of us? I think that this is my first post on this thread. I knew that there were going to be some people here who had access to Obamas brain and knew what he really meant. Thank you so much for the translations. I almost took him literally. I'm more used to an opposing view from you. Are you suggesting that they didn't do it on their own?

Translations? I asked a question. What are you reading?

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Newf, check out Nobama's latest tweet. He asks small business owners to tweet back to him and share their story about how his (Nobama's) policies are helping them succeed.

LOL

I'll bet this is going to be HILARIOUS!

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Where does the money come from to build bridges, roads, the research that developed the internet, and pay for school teachers? Somebody else paid for that.

I think that was part of his point.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Newf, check out Nobama's latest tweet. He asks small business owners to tweet back to him and share their story about how his (Nobama's) policies are helping them succeed.

I don't follow anyone's Twitter account, sorry.

quote Originally posted by newf: I don't follow anyone's Twitter account, sorry.

You don't have to follow his Twitter account. Check out the post. Put it in context for us.

quote Originally posted by newf: I linked the text of the speech, apparently it's very open to interpretation though.

Not unusual, the Democrats have a history of misinterpreting the clear spoken word...AND condemning it:

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Rumor has it that they just can't walk this back.
So the first of next month he is going to give the wealthy their due.
The speech will be titled, "That Government Check You Got, You Didn't Earn That, Someone Else Earned It For You"!

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quote Originally posted by cliffw: You don't have to follow his Twitter account. Check out the post. Put it in context for us.

What post? Also I just have an opinion like anyone else, as I have stated many times, and my opinion is that the "You didn't build that" comment was taken out of context and I believe if you listen to or read the entire speech it's pretty clear but again that's just my opinion. It's also my opinion that the less informed love to throw around these catch phrases because they are simple and stick in peoples minds, it's good "advertising".

Continue on with the hate and fear though if it makes any of you feel better somehow. I really don't mind, in fact it's quite interesting.

quote Originally posted by newf: I just have an opinion like anyone else, as I have stated many times, and my opinion is that the "You didn't build that" comment was taken out of context and I believe if you listen to or read the entire speech it's pretty clear ... Continue on with the hate and fear though if it makes any of you feel better somehow.

Interesting indeed. How his actions during his term (the context of the man), vilifying the successful, how his current mission, taxing the rich more with his Bush tax cut strategy, could his comments be construed any other way. He is clearly trying to build sentiment that the rich should pay more. I know you refuse to admit that. Why did he not inform those on welfare that they did not get it on their own ?
Continue on with the charges of hate and fear, call us racist, we are used to it. It is a tired liberal tactic used to dismiss a discussion and excuse his comments. You would have us believe he meant roads, bridges, teachers, and such but there is no logical reason to bring that up in a speech.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Interesting indeed. How his actions during his term (the context of the man), vilifying the successful, how his current mission, taxing the rich more with his Bush tax cut strategy, could his comments be construed any other way. He is clearly trying to build sentiment that the rich should pay more. I know you refuse to admit that. Why did he not inform those on welfare that they did not get it on their own ? Continue on with the charges of hate and fear, call us racist, we are used to it. It is a tired liberal tactic used to dismiss a discussion and excuse his comments. You would have us believe he meant roads, bridges, teachers, and such but there is no logical reason to bring that up in a speech.

You'll show me where I have ever called you a racist!

Hundreds of millions of taxpayer money lost to failed green energy
http://www.gopusa.com/comme...energy/?subscriber=1

quote President Obama's disgracefully corrupt policies on green energy alone should be enough to ensure his defeat in November -- even apart from his war on reliable energy sources, which is unspeakably outrageous. Recently revealed emails show the extent of the abject corruption and reckless waste surrounding Obama's Solyndra project. The Heritage Foundation has compiled a list of the 10 most revealing emails referred to in the House Energy and Commerce Committee's investigative report, many of which I wrote about in my book "The Great Destroyer." A number of these will make your blood boil. We know that taxpayers lost more than $600 million in the debacle, but how many knew that the administration never even intended the business to be wholly self-supporting? Obama's "you didn't build that" slander could certainly be applied to this government-created and -dependent monstrosity. Indeed, Mitt Romney should grill Obama on these emails and his energy policies in the presidential debates. Maybe he should start with Obama's protest that his "you didn't build that" statement was taken out of context. Who needs to quibble over context when Obama has made so many other similar statements and when his administration has lived that philosophy? A statement in one of the released emails -- from Aditya Kumar, a senior adviser to the vice president, to White House communications staffer Dan Pfeiffer -- underscored the point: "When government plays a part, it can bring the private sector along." Similarly, in October 2009, Solyndra CEO Chris Gronet wrote in an email, "The Bank of Washington continues to help us!" On Aug. 10, 2010, Tom Baruch of CMEA Capital, an investor in Solyndra, wrote, "Getting business from Uncle Sam is a principal element of Solyndra's channel strategy." The White House pressured the Department of Energy to move forward on the Solyndra loan guarantee. As disclosed in an Aug. 28, 2009, email, DOE official Steve Spinner, in charge of the agency's Solyndra activities, said, "The (office of the vice president) and (White House)" were "breathing down my neck" on the loan guarantee. As detailed in my book, this urgency was all a result of the White House's prescheduled presidential photo op with Solyndra. The White House Office of Management and Budget later admitted that it had hurried its analysis because of the White House pressure. The sheer corruption in these developments by itself would be enough to trigger an impeachment inquiry if it had occurred under a Republican administration. In addition, the Office of Management and Budget warned that the Energy Department's restructuring of the Solyndra loan to subordinate taxpayer loans to those of private investors would result in enormously greater taxpayer losses, calling it a "bad idea." But it proceeded anyway, resulting in $168 million worth of additional losses to taxpayers. What's more is that the White House's hands were all over this one; there are no six degrees of separation here, not even one degree. White House chief of staff Bill Daley was explicitly made aware of Solyndra's grave financial problems before the restructuring decision. At least a dozen more Solyndra-like Obama brainchildren have gone bankrupt, swallowing taxpayer dollars in their gluttonous paths to failure. In his encounters with Obama, Romney should slowly pronounce these names: Abound Solar, Beacon Power, Ener1, Energy Conversion Devices, Evergreen Solar Inc., Mountain Plaza Inc., Olsen's Crop Service and Olsen's Mills Acquisition Co., Range Fuels, Raser Technologies, SpectraWatt and Thompson River Power LLC. Romney should demand that Obama explain how cavalierly shuffling money from the private sector to these fantasy projects could have produced any net jobs in the first place. He should further demand that he be made to answer for the millions upon millions of taxpayer losses caused by their inevitable failures. But do you think Obama is the least bit repentant about his waste of taxpayer money? Is he deterred from his maniacal insistence on pursuing other such projects? In a word, "no." Just last month, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar -- the arrogant administration official who defied a federal court order lifting the administration's scandalous ban on deep-water drilling in the Gulf, by rewriting a new ban that would devastate the Gulf economy and cost thousands of jobs -- weighed in on Solyndra-gate, dismissing it as casually as he did the federal judge's order. He referred to these government-created financial disasters as "just minor (and expected) blips for the industry." Without a hint of administration contrition, he said, "Anytime you're dealing with an emerging future on energy, you're always going to have successes and you're going to have setbacks." And get this: He added, "And President Obama and I remain very confident that we're moving in the right direction." Please, Mr. Romney, press Obama to elaborate on how incurring hundreds of millions of dollars in forced taxpayer losses in pursuit of green energy windmills is "moving in the right direction." Please, make our day.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Translations? I asked a question. What are you reading?

I rambled, didn't I? Sorry about that. I agree with you.

WOW...The Washington Post reems Obama...Where is the article on Hell Freezing Over?

http://www.washingtonpost.c...1243f34c85_blog.html

I haven't looked into the welfare thing, but I've always been in favor of encouraging or requiring those with their hand out to at least try to improve their situation rather than just decide to subsist on welfare. I don't like the idea of welfare as a lifestyle, unless the recipient is truly unable to provide for themselves.

quote Originally posted by dratts: I haven't looked into the welfare thing,.

You may want to take you blood pressure medicine first!

Google "Obama guts welfare", and Obama redefines work ".

Getting a massage, weight loss, writing in your journal, quitting smoking and a ton more are now considered work when it come to qualifying oneself for welfare.

quote Originally posted by dratts: I haven't looked into the welfare thing, but I've always been in favor of encouraging or requiring those with their hand out to at least try to improve their situation rather than just decide to subsist on welfare. I don't like the idea of welfare as a lifestyle, unless the recipient is truly unable to provide for themselves.

This was one of the better achievements of the Clinton Administration in conjunction with Congress. The one major change that needs to happen in addition to restoring the Welfare Reform Act is the shorten the period you can be on Welfare from 5 years to 1. Obama is quickly turning us into a banana republic. He really does hate this country.

quote Originally posted by newf: You'll show me where I have ever called you a racist!

No I won't, cause you didn't. Nice dodge. You called me a hater and fearer. Might as well have called me a racist. Or, at war against women.
I can't help but notice. You have no problem with assigning motive to what we say. You call us haters and in fear. I notice, even though I ask, and even though you proclaim that you have an opinion like every one else, you have not offered an opinion about what President Context was saying. A peech has a message. Given the context of what you understood, what was he saying ?. Your opinion please.
There were no roads and bridges when Henry Ford made an affordable automobile.

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quote Originally posted by cliffw: No I won't, cause you didn't. Nice dodge. You called me a hater and fearer. Might as well have called me a racist. Or, at war against women.

And a murderer...don't forget you're a murderer. It is Obama's latest order to his minions.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: No I won't, cause you didn't. Nice dodge. You called me a hater and fearer. Might as well have called me a racist. Or, at war against women. I can't help but notice. You have no problem with assigning motive to what we say. You call us haters and in fear. I notice, even though I ask, and even though you proclaim that you have an opinion like every one else, you have not offered an opinion about what President Context was saying. A peech has a message. Given the context of what you understood, what was he saying ?. Your opinion please. There were no roads and bridges when Henry Ford made an affordable automobile.

You are correct I think much bias comes from hate and fear and that people know how to use it to get the sheep to follow. Not saying I am immune either I've been sucked up by it.

And no saying that you are susceptible to hate and fear is NOTHING like calling you a racist or woman hater.

My opinion on what that part of the speech was about has already been given, or at least I thought it was.

quote Originally posted by newf: You are correct I think much bias comes from hate and fear and that people know how to use it to get the sheep to follow.

Now you are calling me a follower, ? My opinion did not come from what other people heard. It came from what I heard Nobama say. Guess what. I didn't but my brand new truck by myself. Roads and bridges helped me, .

quote Originally posted by newf: My opinion on what that part of the speech was about has already been given, or at least I thought it was.

That part of the speech ? You can tell what that part of the speech is about with not knowing what the complete speech is about ? How would you know if his words were taken out of context, ?
C'mon newf, you can do it. If you want to. What was his speech about ? What point was it to drive home ?

I just installed a new dishwasher yesterday and then thanks to the inspiring words of our immortal leader I realized that I didn't install it, the guy who made the roads that brought it to the house were responsible. The teacher that taught me the difference between the water supply line and the drain was responsible. Heck, I have no idea what I was even doing there. I was probably just in the way.