It seems that many people think that there would be no roads if it wasn't for the government. It's so naïve.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: You trying that bullshit again? You REALLY don't get it.

I'm just giving you the chance to be the grown up. As long as you continue to feel the need to snipe at me, I'll continue to make the offer.

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: I'm just giving you the chance to be the grown up. As long as you continue to feel the need to snipe at me, I'll continue to make the offer.

Unreal. You just don't see your own propensity for tearing others down. You HONESTLY don't get that. Wow. Amazing.

quote Originally posted by NoMoreRicers: It seems that many people think that there would be no roads if it wasn't for the government. It's so naïve.

Or dams or bridges or telephone lines.... America's infrastructure was build by PRIVATE business. The government just made it possible since they controlled the land the projects were on. Can't exactly build a Hoover Dam (built by a consortium of private companies btw) on Federal Land without the Fed's OK. Uncle Sam was merely the client, as it should be!

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Unreal. You just don't see your own propensity for tearing others down. You HONESTLY don't get that. Wow. Amazing.

Well, you have a proclivity towards cowardice. I no big werds to.

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: I came upon this kind of late, but this stood out for me. How about illicit activities like mutilating one's foot for profit? Insurance fraud? You have felt pretty comfortable on multiple occasions to make these accusations towards me without any shred of evidence to support you. You have never retracted these statements or "corrected" them. You are morally bankrupt and have no right to preach to others.

I am so sorry you are having a bad day, and hope it improves soon.

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quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: Well, you have a proclivity towards cowardice. I no big werds to.

Why? Because I won't have lunch with you? Should I post your PM to me, inviting me to lunch and then launching into an insulting diatribe? Some invite that was. I will NEVER have lunch with you. I'd rather light my hair on fire and put it out with a hammer. But if you just can't live without me saying "f*** you, Jeff" to your face, that can be arranged.

Back to your complaint about sniping...so that's totally different that you posting a totally random thing about Toddster? Like that, Stimpy?

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: I am so sorry you are having a bad day, and hope it improves soon.

I'm having a beautiful day so far. It's only 9:30 am, but I'm planning on getting some chores done. We will know more in about 12 hours. If it improves, that is only better. That being said, what I posted I'd true. And if what you posted was true, that you would "correct" any errors, this dialogue would go much differently. As far as the morally bankrupt hyperbole, I'm sure anyone who loves their dogs like you do can't be 100% bad. But still, your comment struck me as absurd considering the source.

quote Originally posted by newf: "The context makes clear that the president was saying entrepreneurs need government infrastructure like roads and bridges, investments in education and what Obama called "this unbelievable American system that allowed you to thrive." But of course when has context ever mattered?

Even taking that at face value, it missed a very important point.
"Government" doesn't build anything. Not roads, infrastructure, nor does it do research for the most part.
All that infrastructure work that "government" does is done by private companies the government contracts and paid for with taxes collected from private individuals and businesses. At best the only credit government gets is acting as the contractor. Government didn't do the work, nor provide the funds to pay for it. It had to take the money from someone else to spend it on that infrastructure.

So yes, business owners DID build that insomuch as they PAID for it to be built by other businesses.

Government cannot provide anything itself. Even our military is paid for by taxes and all the equipment is paid for with taxes and built by private industry with few exceptions on secret programs done in house.

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quote Originally posted by newf: "The context makes clear that the president was saying entrepreneurs need government infrastructure like roads and bridges, investments in education and what Obama called "this unbelievable American system that allowed you to thrive."

The same unbelievable system that others fail to thrive with ? Which as mentioned (posted), was also built and aid for by the successes of those that thrive. Those individuals likely paid more for the creation of the infastructure than those that do not thrive. Why did Nobama not scold those individuals ? They have that same Nobama fair shot.

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: I'm having a beautiful day so far. It's only 9:30 am, but I'm planning on getting some chores done. We will know more in about 12 hours. If it improves, that is only better. That being said, what I posted I'd true. And if what you posted was true, that you would "correct" any errors, this dialogue would go much differently. As far as the morally bankrupt hyperbole, I'm sure anyone who loves their dogs like you do can't be 100% bad. But still, your comment struck me as absurd considering the source.

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Probably because I genuinely regret causing you strife? In fact, you are one of the few people on PFF I would like to meet...seriously. I know it won't happen, but...you are welcome to come stay with Barbara any time you like, when it is all finished. You could jet off to Belgium to refresh old memories, and use our home as your base. Guess I'd have to find a bigger bed though!! I doubt 6ft 7 inches and a wife too, would fit very easily in our guest bed .
Don't worry..I'm not getting too cosy with chatting to you...but I do enjoy it. Hey...we are both Aquarians
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Not sure why you value a comment from me when you value my existence so little, but you're welcome just the same.


Just a recent PM to your good self from me...I didn't find the original post I made apologising to you. Most people here know I DID, and also are aware of your reply in that post. Hey, you had the right to hold a grudge for me doing that, and I shouldn't have posted it. I had no proof, and without that it was simply conjecture.
I am sorry for that.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Even taking that at face value, it missed a very important point. "Government" doesn't build anything. Not roads, infrastructure, nor does it do research for the most part. All that infrastructure work that "government" does is done by private companies the government contracts and paid for with taxes collected from private individuals and businesses. At best the only credit government gets is acting as the contractor. Government didn't do the work, nor provide the funds to pay for it. It had to take the money from someone else to spend it on that infrastructure. So yes, business owners DID build that insomuch as they PAID for it to be built by other businesses. Government cannot provide anything itself. Even our military is paid for by taxes and all the equipment is paid for with taxes and built by private industry with few exceptions on secret programs done in house.

???


" If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges."

Nick.
I'm not suggesting that I want an apology. It would be unfair to ask for that as it has no value to me. I merely pointed out that you have never retracted or corrected your direct allegations, and have allowed other individuals to perpetuate those allegations as facts without correction.

back on topic. Grr. That Obama guy. Soooo mad! Ermagerd!

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Ok so according to Obama it was access to this countries PUBLIC infrastructure that made rich and successful people, rich and successful, it doesn't matter how smart or how hard they worked.

Well since everyone has access to this PUBLIC infrastructure then wouldn't everybody be rich and successful. Why is this not the case?

I know Obama and his defenders are claiming his comments where taking out of context but when you really look at what he said, no matter what context you use, what he said is still horribly wrong.

The man shows his true self when off the teleprompter.

In full context I think what he said is even wose then what most are accusing him of saying.

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OK Jeff. I will do as you say, and it IS genuine.
I retract wholly the accusations, conjecture, and often cruel comments I made regarding your injury to your ankle, and I sincerely regret the pain and suffering it caused you then, and since. I would not wish that on my worst enemy, IF I had one.
To anybody else who harbours the same opinion as I did about Jeff and his injury, nor either do YOU have anything other than conjecture to sustain those opinions. As such, it would be considered a decent gesture to never refer to it again.
Nick Cann (fierofetish).
I hope you will heal to perfection once again, some day.

quote Originally posted by Bullet: Ok so according to Obama it was access to this countries PUBLIC infrastructure that made rich and successful people, rich and successful, it doesn't matter how smart or how hard they worked. Well since everyone has access to this PUBLIC infrastructure then wouldn't everybody be rich and successful. Why is this not the case? I know Obama and his defenders are claiming his comments where taking out of context but when you really look at what he said, no matter what context you use, what he said is still horribly wrong. The man shows his true self when off the teleprompter.

I think it's more that everyone benefits from certain forms of infastructure that are developed with the help of good governance.

Though some still seem to think that anything of the kind is Government "stealing" their money to "redistribute" to others. And a lot of those people are the ones that are the first ones to run to the Government when they are in any type of trouble. I've even seen examples of these "Socialism" haters advise others to run to Gov't programs such as unemployment. Kinda funny and sad all at the same time.

quote Originally posted by newf: ??? " If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges."

What's the question? Obama's backpedalling was to address his "you didn't build that" remark as referring to "Somebody invested in roads and bridges."
The people who "invested" in roads and bridges are the taxpayers - both individuals and business owners.

You don't like it when people (i.e. me) read your posts and infer what you meant, so instead of just posting "???" you'll need to actually form a complete sentence and express a thought.

quote Originally posted by newf: I think it's more that everyone benefits from certain forms of infastructure that are developed with the help of good governance. Though some still seem to think that anything of the kind is Government "stealing" their money to "redistribute" to others. And a lot of those people are the ones that are the first ones to run to the Government when they are in any type of trouble. I've even seen examples of these "Socialism" haters advise others to run to Gov't programs such as unemployment. Kinda funny and sad all at the same time.

Should those who make more from the same benefits of infrastructure be demonized for their success?

quote Originally posted by Formula88: What's the question? Obama's backpedalling was to address his "you didn't build that" remark as referring to "Somebody invested in roads and bridges." The people who "invested" in roads and bridges are the taxpayers - both individuals and business owners. You don't like it when people (i.e. me) read your posts and infer what you meant, so instead of just posting "???" you'll need to actually form a complete sentence and express a thought.

Backpedaling?? It was in the same speech in the same paragraph.

"You didn't build that" sure is a good snippet for the fear and hate though.

quote Originally posted by newf: I think it's more that everyone benefits from certain forms of infastructure that are developed with the help of good governance.

What ? He thinks we are too stupid to realize that, , ? Governance was not developed by government. Someone helped government with that. The voters who pay taxes.

quote Originally posted by newf: Though some still seem to think that anything of the kind is Government "stealing" their money to "redistribute" to others.

What ? The present regime of governance has stated that is exactly the right thing to do. Not only have they stated that, the regimes policies reflect it.

quote Originally posted by newf: "You didn't build that" sure is a good snippet for the fear and hate though.

How so ?

quote Originally posted by newf: Backpedaling?? It was in the same speech in the same paragraph. "You didn't build that" sure is a good snippet for the fear and hate though.

Backpedaling.


But nice attempt at saying the only reason people don't kiss Obama's ass is because of hate and fear. You're staying right on The Narrative™.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Backpedaling. But nice attempt at saying the only reason people don't kiss Obama's ass is because of hate and fear. You're staying right on The Narrative™.

Not what I said at all but nice attempt. I just said the "You didn't build that" was taken out of context and added to the hate and fear mantra on here.

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: I don't care if you eat or not. Im just offering to pick up the check if you do.

What would be the purpose of this meal?

quote I only meet gun nuts in public places though.

I'm not a gun nut. I don't currently own a gun. Besides, you wouldn't be worth going to jail over.

quote So what random thing about Todd are you referring to? Could you provide a link so others can see?

You seem to be having memory problems. The trash can thread, where you thought you'd gotten something on Toddster?

It isn't the first time your memory has lapsed. You also forgot our agreement, which YOU suggested, that I upheld, then you conveniently forgot when it became inconvenient for you.

quote Originally posted by newf: ??? " If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges."

One of my problems with it is;
Most folks whenever they accomplish something, whether it be a book report by a student, building your first fence as a home owner, or starting a company like Ford, When asked they will usually give credit to the one(s) who helped them.
But it is another story when another student, next door neighbor or the president points out that you didn't do that on your own, insulting to say the least.
The usual response to that may range from KISS OFF to F'OFF.

And when Obama said those remarks, it cut very deeply into anyone who has ever accomplished anything in their lives, most of the nation probably uttered the latter.
This will follow him right up to the election, this is one bell he can't UN-RING, and they have spent ton of money on ads trying.

Love to see him utter that crap to one of his daughters when they ask him to look at their beautiful book report.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: You seem to be having memory problems. The trash can thread, where you thought you'd gotten something on Toddster? It isn't the first time your memory has lapsed. You also forgot our agreement, which YOU suggested, that I upheld, then you conveniently forgot when it became inconvenient for you.

Why not post a link, just in case some people didn't see it? I'm sure Todd would appreciate the bump.

As far as what purpose a meal serves, it usually serves to make one less hungry. Beyond that, you can use it for therapy, to prove that you can overcome your social inabilities in a safe environment.

quote Originally posted by partfiero: One of my problems with it is; Most folks whenever they accomplish something, whether it be a book report by a student, building your first fence as a home owner, or starting a company like Ford, When asked they will usually give credit to the one(s) who helped them..

One of my problems is, ... the crux of my problem is, ...how to put in words, ...
Hmm. "those of you on food stamps, those of you on gooberment housing, you didn't do that on your own, ".
Why was not that tidbit addressed ?

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You didn't build that. Chinese companies did.


Or Finland.


But you did get to pay for it. O-BAH-MAH!! O-BAH-MAH!!

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quote Originally posted by fierofetish: I'll hazard a guess that you didn't read the link Cliff.

I missed this post Nick.
No. I did not read the link. I looked at it though, skimmed it. Yeah, it's got logic in it. Whaa whaa. We do not live in a consumer based economy. That link supports your vision of the portion of our economy which is consumer driven. maryjane and I have argued pretty much the same ...falacies in the overall economy. Due to my support of buying a Toyota and he believing in supporting American Auto manufacturers.
If as you say, an economy is consumer driven, how can he claim that we can not survive on a service economy. He argues pretty much the same thing as you. However, one size does not fit all.
Looking back, you said ...

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: ...affects the Consumer-driven Society drastically,...

I don't get it. Society does not equal economy. The business society needs consumers. The service society needs consumers. The farming society needs consumers. The ranchers, the prostitutes, they need consumers. Most importantly, the small business owner, who can not afford to deliver cheap crap, needs consumers.
I don't have a boss. I need a consumer to buy my labor, my knowledge, my experience, my attitude. No matter what I do. I don't buy that someone can hoard the money. It is mine for the taking.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: I noticed that you have not even attempted to address my concerns with your faulty logic.

They looked rhetorical to be honest.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: I don't get it. No matter what I do.

fun, isnt it?

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: Why not post a link, just in case some people didn't see it? I'm sure Todd would appreciate the bump.

No thanks. No need to give YOUR thread a bump, especially in the trash can.

quote As far as what purpose a meal serves, it usually serves to make one less hungry. Beyond that, you can use it for therapy, to prove that you can overcome your social inabilities in a safe environment.

Yeah, that's it. Don't own your f*** ups, project them onto others. Typical for you.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Yeah, that's it. Don't own your f*** ups, project them onto others. Typical for you.

Jesus, are you still on? So much to say from behind a computer, so little courage to stand face to face. Just give it a rest. You have received more then your share of attention.

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: Jesus, are you still on? So much to say from behind a computer, so little courage to stand face to face. Just give it a rest. You have received more then your share of attention.

I've had enough of your crap. STFU, Jeff. Go find someone else to dick with.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: One of my problems is, ... the crux of my problem is, ...how to put in words, ... Hmm. "those of you on food stamps, those of you on gooberment housing, you didn't do that on your own, ". Why was not that tidbit addressed ?

Never demonize the "Takers", but feel free to demonize the "Givers"
That seems to be his philosophy.

A couple of weeks ago he said his biggest failure was not telling the people a story and uniting the country, then he pulls this demeaning statement out a couple of days later while off the teleprompter.
Will the real Obama please stand up?

quote Originally posted by newf: They looked rhetorical to be honest.

Yeah, right, . I have not adopted any talking points.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: fun, isnt it?

You wouldn't know.