Hello, this is all you need to know about the true thoughts of obama and his ideaolgy. He truely believes its all a result of the govenment investments in your future, well where did those investments come from, You the taxpayor. Not some magical jeanie in the air giving money away. The only way a government can exist is by Taking your money and using it for something else as a whole that as a individual you can not do by yourself. Such as defence against a neighboring country, protection against your neighbor, keeping standards and measures the same, protection against diesease, protection of waterways for commerce and pollution.
government should not be in the business of picking commerce over another (Solindra, Fisker, etc).
The highways and infastructure were build for defence of this country to move eguipment and goods rapidly, such as the Roman Appian Way, now we use these to trade commerce and build our own future through economic progress. These were paid and continue to be maintained for and by the Taxpayor, not by some entity or deity.

http://www.foxnews.com/poli...ieves-success-alone/

He mentions private business didnt invent the internet, he must believe Al Core invented then. It was a means for college proffs to talk with each other and at that time they had no idea it would become the WWW. Yes DARPA had a hand in developing it, but the military didnt invent the internet they just used it. Heck the WWW (world wide web) didnt really have a place in our society at the time, what really drove the internet to be truely succesful was **** The ability to look at dirty pictures without anyone watching you go into a bookstore. My opinion.

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yup. you didn't build that, it was handed to you..

I'm not a Obama supporter but please, we understand, or at least I understand what he is saying. Sure individuals, including myself, put forth a huge amount of effort to be successful, but we all rely or are building on something that was here before. That is all he is saying. Whether you realize it or not you had help.

Romney supporters sign their checks on the front!

Obama supporters sign 'em on the back!


This has been your political lesson for today.

This is how obama thinks, we should all get a check from the government.

If business owners owe it all to government, then Obama needs to answer for the alleged outsourcing done by Bain Capital.

quote Originally posted by RotrexFiero: Whether you realize it or not you had help.

Hello, my parents helped me, my family helped me. The government didnt help me all they did was protect me from someone else and took my and your money to do it. Its not their job to help me. Its their job to provide the tools and enviroment in a safe civil society to help ourselves so that we can help others who may not be able to. Private charity is far more effective than what the government can do. You dont think so look at Hatiti its a rat hole because it has a government that wont provide a safe civil society and has become corrupt. private charity is the only thing keeping that place alive, and the government steals most of that.

quote Originally posted by normsf: Romney supporters sign their checks on the front! Obama supporters sign 'em on the back! .

Repeat for truth.

I have a scar on my leg where I cut myself with a saw, 3 numb fingers from using tools, lower back pains, and 60% of the businesses in this country are small business like dry cleaners, gas stations, hardware stores. And Obumbles has the nerve to say I didn't build my business?

He's a bigger idiot that I thought ...beleive it OR not!

quote Originally posted by Toddster: He's a bigger idiot that I thought ...beleive it OR not!

Just when you think Obama can't possibly be more clueless or arrogant, he proves you wrong. It's one thing, besides spending OPM, that he excels at.

quote Originally posted by RotrexFiero: I'm not a Obama supporter but please, we understand, or at least I understand what he is saying. Sure individuals, including myself, put forth a huge amount of effort to be successful, but we all rely or are building on something that was here before. That is all he is saying. Whether you realize it or not you had help.

That isn't what he is saying, you are trying to read logic into his speech. its not there.. He also insinuated that the government *allows* people to succeed.

The man is dangerous and the sooner he is run out of town the better. And with the things he has said lately, i am beginning to question his sanity.

**** you Obama.

This is no surprise. I've been saying all along that this is what Obama is about. He is simply taking the mask off and showing his true ideology.

Remember in November.

You guys are gonna' be crushed when despite ALL this "damning evidence" he is still soundly relected!
There will be much wailing & handwringing.

You better find SOMETHING to like, cause you gonna' have him for another 4!
If I know people like I think I do....

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quote Originally posted by normsf: Romney supporters sign their checks on the front! Obama supporters sign 'em on the back! This has been your political lesson for today. This is how obama thinks, we should all get a check from the government.

Forgive me, but I plagarized that and sent it to a couple of friends.

Obama is pissing on the wrong spark plug

'And what do you know?': Business leaders hit back at Obama after he says the wealthy AREN'T responsible for their own success

Cliff didn't build PFF! Obama did it!

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: You guys are gonna' be crushed when despite ALL this "damning evidence" he is still soundly relected! There will be much wailing & handwringing. You better find SOMETHING to like, cause you gonna' have him for another 4! If I know people like I think I do....

I sure will be crushed when/if that happens, but you're gonna be crushed when you finally open your eyes and realize you were wrong about him, and you did nothing to stop it. At least I'll feel a little better about myself.

Jim

quote Originally posted by RotrexFiero: ... we all rely or are building on something that was here before. That is all he is saying. Whether you realize it or not you had help.

Well which is it ? Nobama wants everybody to have a fair shot. Everybody can build on that something which was here before.

quote Originally posted by normsf: http://www.foxnews.com/poli...ieves-success-alone/ He mentions private business didnt invent the internet, he must believe Al Core invented then. It was a means for college proffs to talk with each other and at that time they had no idea it would become the WWW. Yes DARPA had a hand in developing it, but the military didnt invent the internet they just used it. Heck the WWW (world wide web) didnt really have a place in our society at the time, what really drove the internet to be truely succesful was **** The ability to look at dirty pictures without anyone watching you go into a bookstore. My opinion.

From the best that I can tell, the two professors were connected to "government funded" universities and the money to develop the internet came from the government. So, yes, the taxpayers put up the front money.

quote Originally posted by jimbolaya: I sure will be crushed when/if that happens, but you're gonna be crushed when you finally open your eyes and realize you were wrong about him, and you did nothing to stop it. At least I'll feel a little better about myself. Jim

yup at least I can soundly say I tried to stop the madness..
if that many vote him back in.. And I mean the electoral college.. then washington as a whole needs to go.. his own party has to know he is dangerous and the death to that party.. even if stepping back and see'n that giving up 4 years is better than total death.. the popular vote is really a bunch of b/s as the electoral college never has to vote the way of their people.. sadly thats true..
the electoral college should've died about 80 years ago.. as information flowed fast enough by then .to not need that "college" vote..

quote Originally posted by jimbolaya: I sure will be crushed when/if that happens, but you're gonna be crushed when you finally open your eyes and realize you were wrong about him, and you did nothing to stop it. At least I'll feel a little better about myself. Jim

Could you please explain/expand on what you are accussing me of being "wrong" about that I did "nothing to stop it" (as long as it don't take away from you feeling better about yourself then I do about myself)?

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quote Originally posted by carnut122: From the best that I can tell, the two professors were connected to "government funded" universities and the money to develop the internet came from the government. So, yes, the taxpayers put up the front money.

1. But WHY did they do it?

2. Did it have an explosion of usefulness and connectivitiy under government or private sector development?

We're all screwed no matter what. If the republicans we're serious about defeating Obama they would have put up an electable candidate.

quote Originally posted by normsf: Romney supporters sign their checks on the front! Obama supporters sign 'em on the back! This has been your political lesson for today. This is how obama thinks, we should all get a check from the government.

hmpf, funny, I get mine direct deposited. and, do my billing online. havenet seen a actual check in awhile.

are all Romney supports so ill-informed?

In all honesty, the video was creatively edited. (A tactic they no doubt picked up from MSNBC, but that's a different story.) But even though he went on to elaborate, when watching the video I get the sense that he was speaking to a bunch of minimum wage laborers or union people and was heading in the direction of them being the ones who make a business successful. (Maybe partly true but it takes more than labor) but it appears that the instant he made the comment it was as if he realized he had stepped on his dick and made some quick and rather shaky comments to try and reduce the stupid factor of the original statement.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: hmpf, funny, I get mine direct deposited. and, do my billing online. havenet seen a actual check in awhile. are all Romney supports so ill-informed?

No, probably most of their workers go to a check cashing place to get hard cash so they need a signed check.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: Could you please explain/expand on what you are accussing me of being "wrong" about that I did "nothing to stop it" (as long as it don't take away from you feeling better about yourself then I do about myself)?

You can play Sweden if you want to, but it holds no weight with me. My opinion is you're on his team. Hey I get it if you don't want to admit that. I hold no hard feelings to you Boonie. You're a great guy, but at some point ya gotta take a stand. You gotta choose a side.

Jim

Edit in red: Added for extra unnecessary clarity.

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quote Originally posted by cliffw: Well which is it ? Nobama wants everybody to have a fair shot. Everybody can build on that something which was here before.

Actually, that's what I was thinking, and why I think he backtracked a little. If there are successful people, and unsuccessful people, then what sets them apart? They ALL have that same infrastructure to build on, so what does he think made the successful person successful?

quote Originally posted by RotrexFiero: I'm not a Obama supporter but please, we understand, or at least I understand what he is saying. Sure individuals, including myself, put forth a huge amount of effort to be successful, but we all rely or are building on something that was here before. That is all he is saying. Whether you realize it or not you had help.

I appreciate your attitude. But that is NOT all he is saying.

Yes, there is an existing infrastructure which some people use more than others to make money. Obama wants to attribute that to GOVERNMENT.

Lest he pat himself on the back too hard, he FORGOT TO MENTION WHERE THE GOVERNMENT GOT THE MONEY TO PAY FOR THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.


And that is no small thing. What he is REALLY saying is that all wealth in this country REALLY belongs to the government. And we just are gracious to let you keep some of OUR money.


PRIVATE money got taxed, and the government (inefficiently) turned SOME of that into infrastructure. Where did MOST of the taxes come from? "The rich". I won't repeat the percentages here.


Here is something interesting. A business often makes 2-3% net profit on their volume. The government often takes 15% of that same volume. And yet in the eyes of Obama, you should feel PRIVILEGED? "Well, you people are getting rich." Yeah? Well, way less than the government. Making 2-3% return is "corporate greed", but taxing 15% is???? The answer for Obama is, well, it is the government's money in the first place.
Whether you realize it or not, I've paid for my portion of the infrastructure MANY TIMES OVER. And so have you.

And don't for one minute think that if government hadn't "built the infrastructure", that private business wouldn't have had plenty of money to build it with the money they had taxed away.
This SHOULD have been obvious prior to the last election, but he had the national media ACTIVELY running interference for him, downplaying and obscuring his real core beliefs. But even THEY can't keep hiding who he really is. He just keeps opening his mouth, thinking every word is intellectual gold. (in his mind). He is letting all Americans know is an out-and-out socialist. If that is the kind of president you want, and you don't believe in a constitutional republic, then vote for Obama.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: You guys are gonna' be crushed when despite ALL this "damning evidence" he is still soundly relected! There will be much wailing & handwringing. You better find SOMETHING to like, cause you gonna' have him for another 4! If I know people like I think I do....

I can appreciate that point of view. It is true that a lot of Americans have become dependent on Big Brother and will vote to keep the gravy train coming. Free food, Free rent, Free TV and video games. But it can't last because the producers will at some point revolt and those with skills will survive, those without them will not.

I think most people inherently understand that sitting around and having your life maintained for you is undignified and only leads to misery. The source of happiness is the effort you give to life. As Robert Louis Stevenson once said, "I know what happiness is, for I have done good work".

If for no other reason than to help our fellow man we must end the entitlements and welfare state. I beleive most Americans see this and that is why I am convinced the Obama is history. The experiment is over. It failed.

quote Originally posted by jimbolaya: 1. You're on his team. 2. You gotta choose a side. Jim

1. NO i'm not.
2. NO I don't.

And I find it HIGHLY insulting that there are those here that STILL continue to project that on me, DISPITE what I have said time & time again.

I did not vote for him, I do not support him, and I will not vote for him this time. (not that any of that should be your's or anyone else's damn business).

My only defense of him has been that he does NOTHING alone.
He cannot be the complete bumbling idiot some claim in one breath and then some kind of evil genus bent on destroying the United States single-handedly in the other.

When I tell you I don't support him and you say I do, you are calling me a lier.
And you don't even know me.

I'm telling you I don't support him FROM MY OWN MOUTH.
It is NOT FOR YOU TO SAY what I support or believe in.
Only I can say that.

If anyone STILL don't get that after all this, they are doing so only to be dishonestly confrontational.
To what end, I have no idea.
Because I don't work like that.

I would NEVER do to you what you just did to me.

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quote Originally posted by frontal lobe: <snip> vote for Obama.

That was a succinct, well stated argument. Too bad that many people will only see "blah blah blah" ending in the above words.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: You guys are gonna' be crushed when despite ALL this "damning evidence" he is still soundly relected!

I wont hold my breath on that.

quote Originally posted by Taijiguy: That was a succinct, well stated argument. Too bad that many people will only see "blah blah blah" ending in the above words.

I read it, too.
But it was still only conjecture.
I mean, how can you actually know something like this?:

quote but he had the national media ACTIVELY running interference for him, downplaying and obscuring his real core beliefs. But even THEY can't keep hiding who he really is. He just keeps opening his mouth, thinking every word is intellectual gold. (in his mind). He is letting all Americans know is an out-and-out socialist.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: <snip>

I appreciate that you like to be objective, but seriously. If you didn't see how Obama was the media's pet project, and the way they manipulate and cover for him you're blind. If I see two cars smash into each other I don't have to be IN one of the cars to know they were in an accident. Witnessing events is a pretty reliable form of evidence.

quote Originally posted by Taijiguy: I appreciate that you like to be objective, but seriously. If you didn't see how Obama was the media's pet project, and the way they manipulate and cover for him you're blind. If I see two cars smash into each other I don't have to be IN one of the cars to know they were in an accident. Witnessing events is a pretty reliable form of evidence.

That analogy only works if you are trying to determine who's fault it was based on the sound.

If people believe the media in general is "covering" for Obama any more or less then any other President in history, you must first contimplate the motive.
Espeically considering newspapers are in the business to sell newspapers, and exposing the dirty lil' secrets of a President or administration has always sold more papers.

quote Originally posted by User00013170: If he were to get a 2nd term, the "American Experiment" will be over and it will be time to lower the flag.

That is true, 12/21/12 may very well be the end of the world as we know it afterall.