....and how many BILLIONS, possibly TRILLIONS of dollars in taxes,the powerfully influential and 'untouchable' keep from public view, AND the tax coffers . That WE haven't heard of...yet .
The Game.
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....and how many BILLIONS, possibly TRILLIONS of dollars in taxes,the powerfully influential and 'untouchable' keep from public view, AND the tax coffers . That WE haven't heard of...yet .
Feel free to post up some examples. First step, how about you find a Trillionaire first. It sure does sound exciting to throw out those words in all caps, but it helps to know what the numbers actually mean.
Here's some of the failed green energy companies you may or may not have heard of: List Of Failed Green Energy Jobs – By Obama
Feel free to post up some examples. First step, how about you find a Trillionaire first. It sure does sound exciting to throw out those words in all caps, but it helps to know what the numbers actually mean.
Here's some of the failed green energy companies you may or may not have heard of: List Of Failed Green Energy Jobs – By Obama
I changed your words to a more realistic question... and then I can answer 'Simple F88. ALL OF THEM. ' Prove ME wrong
It's your theory. I tell you what - find a trillionaire. You don't have to prove squat. Just find one. It's easy to sit back and make accusations without any evidence or proof. I thought you were bigger than that. Are you? If you have a point to make, make it.
I could make all kinds of accusations about your alleged illicit activities and then dare you to prove ME wrong. That would be dishonest, cowardly and most likely illegal. Is that the type of discourse you're advocating?
It's your theory. I tell you what - find a trillionaire. You don't have to prove squat. Just find one. It's easy to sit back and make accusations without any evidence or proof. I thought you were bigger than that. Are you? If you have a point to make, make it.
I could make all kinds of accusations about your alleged illicit activities and then dare you to prove ME wrong. That would be dishonest, cowardly and most likely illegal. Is that the type of discourse you're advocating?
WHAT alleged illicit activities? F88, you are useless at backing up your rhetoric, and answering DIRECTLY....but very good at the soundbites you mimic so avidly.Sort of like a Politician. You would qualify...but I would never believe you, nor elect you. You may well be a millionaire already...I don't know. If you are that explains your deprecating attitude. If you AREN'T...then you are as bad as the brain-dead people who emulate those 'Celebrities' they would SOOOO LIKE to be...basically adulating nincompoops who wouldn't have a clue, or the good fortune, to become one. Which are you? A millionaire, or a nincompoop? I KNOW I won't get a factual,direct and honest answer...so let's call that a rhetorical question, and leave it at that...eh? You know virtually all there is to know about me. I amtotally honest about everything I post...and if I am NOT...I will go back and correct it when I am proved to be wrong. Apart from those on this Forum that know you closely, and personally, we know NOTHING about you. How about opening up, and telling us a bit about yourself?
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None that I'm aware of. Just like you aren't aware of any trillionaires. But you don't have a problem making baseless accusations against some nameless rich person, so why would you have a problem with someone making baseless accusations about you? I didn't make any accusations. Pay close attention here. I'm typing this slowly. I AM NOT ACCUSING YOU OF ANYTHING. I said if I were to do so, it would be dishonest and cowardly of me. That's why I'm asking if that's the type of discourse you're now advocating since you want to make baseless accusations of others without proof.
But at least you got to throw out some insults with your thoughtful reply.
"Obama to business owners: 'You didn't build that' ". Apart from the first people to set up ANY populous Society/Country, who initially built everything on their OWN by themSELVES from scratch, and from nothing..Obama would have been correct, if he had said 'You didn't build that ON YOUR OWN'. every SUCCESSFUL business in existence depends ( or depended) either wholly, or LARGELY, on the infrastructure upon which successful businesses HAVE successfully been built. The infrastructure which was there LONG before those business were concieved. Sadly, he didn't. ( and no, I don't admire, or even LIKE Obama...but I like the truth, and the facts . He doesn't seem to see, or say either).
....and how many BILLIONS, possibly TRILLIONS of dollars in taxes,the powerfully influential ....
F88...in your blind haste to repudiate anything I SAY, you are adept at leaving out, or just plain ignoring, my words in your feverish desire to shoot me down in flames(you inevitably fail by the way )..so I'll point out the most TELLING word in my post that you quoted, so you don't miss it again, and therefore won't build your rhetorical and unfounded nonsensical answers upon them..I resized the important word so you don't miss it this time Secondly, the amounts I talked about were CUMULATIVE amongst the super-rich, not individually...but nice try at implying I sad something I DIDN'T. You will HAVE to try a LOT harder...see me after class ...see how easy it is to be deprecating? I must have learned that from you
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F88...in your blind haste to repudiate anything I SAY, you are adept at leaving out, or just plain ignoring, my words in your feverish desire to shoot me down in flames(you inevitably fail by the way )..so I'll point out the most TELLING word in my post that you quoted, so you don't miss it again, and therefore won't build your rhetorical and unfounded nonsensical answers upon them..I resized the important word so you don't miss it this time Secondly, the amounts I talked about were CUMULATIVE amongst the super-rich, not individually...but nice try at implying I sad something I DIDN'T. You will HAVE to try a LOT harder...see me after class ...see how easy it is to be deprecating? I must have learned that from you
I see. Well, in that case your unfounded accusations devoid of evidence are fine. Please, carry on. Thank you for clearing that up.
I'm sorry, but you failed miserably AGAIN. You can't be straightforward and give a straight answer, can you? Not ONE. Now, I have been awake and working for almost 15 hours today, making myself wealthier (on paper at least), without syphoning a SINGLE CENT from anybody else. NOT ONE CENT. Can you say that? Almost all I own has been created by myself, and my wife, and earned by ourselves. And the nice thing about it is this: we are not rich. We are not poor either by many standards. But NOBODY has been compelled to contribute one cent to our small wealth. WE create our wealth, off our own backs as far as is humanly possible. And we are mostly immune to Governments of EITHER side, as far as we can manage. Now, I am going to bed, because I want to finish the work I am doing for US, without anybody else's cents being contributed. Goodnight all...and have a great night's sleep, and a good day tomorrow
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Goodnight all...and have a great night's sleep, and a good day tomorrow
I will do what i do everynight........hope i sleep longer then the few lil' scraps i manage to scrownge here & there. I really want to sleep someday. Really sleep, like others do.
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Posts: 4368 From: Flint, MI USA Registered: Sep 2000
Cliff, I have to disagree with this rhetorical soundbite that slips so glibly from peoples' lips . 99% OF MIDDLE-CLASS AND POOR PEOPLE end up contributing 100% of their 'salary' to taxes. May not be 'income tax'...but once all the taxes are poured into the melting pot...you want to tell me WHICH of the dollars in the melting pot are INCOME TAX, and which of the others are sales taxes etc. etc.etc.? You can't, and nobody else can either. The only people who do not end up paying ALL their income into the taxes cauldron one way or another, are those who have enough to save, after they have spent all they need. Their savings/investments are no longer subject to taxes until they withdraw them...and then they are only liable for tax on the PROFITS. And they pay a very much lower tax on that than people pay on the money they earn every day working. I am open to correction, as always, and no doubt some will try their best
I don't understand this. Taxes take out a lot when everything is said and done, but they still have a house, bed, etc. to show for it. Obviously they didn't give 100% to the government.. Food is bought, and eaten, which is part of their salary and obviously more than 0%. Clothes are worn, which were bought with more than 0% of their income.
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Originally posted by fierofetish:
....and how many BILLIONS, possibly TRILLIONS of dollars in taxes,the powerfully influential and 'untouchable' keep from public view, AND the tax coffers . That WE haven't heard of...yet . Edited to add: ON BOTH SIDES OF THE SPECTRUM . After all...how many Socialist/Democrat Politicians are as poor as church mice? . I have yet to see a Politician who has NOT been exceedingly financially secure...on either side, and before stepping into the blighted system of Government which is laughingly called Government OF the People, BY the People. Impossible I know nowadays...but just show me ONE influential Politician who had as much or as little AFTER his 'term', as before...and I will show you an HONEST POLITICIAN, who IS a Politician BECAUSE he is honest, and wants the best for his Country. The only Politician who remotely could fill that post out of the current crop, and the PAST crop, is Ron Paul. Yes, I know much less about him than most of you do because I don't live there. But after 65 years on this Planet, I think I am pretty good at summing up Character and personality. I raerly have been wrong about PFF Members...why not Politicians...after all, I only read what they say, and what others might say about them .
I assume you aren't just talking about politicians but... there is no such thing as a trillionaire, which is why F88 was saying NOBODY is keeping trillions of dollars away in taxes...
Our country is "only" 14-15 of those trillions that you speak of in debt, and it's massive. Even if the government took every dime from the top 1%, it wouldn't cover our debt. That's why your statement doesn't make much sense, and what F88 is getting at. That number is enormous.. almost inconceivable. 1,000,000,000,000 is just one trillion.
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I'm sorry, but you failed miserably AGAIN. You can't be straightforward and give a straight answer, can you? Not ONE. Now, I have been awake and working for almost 15 hours today, making myself wealthier (on paper at least), without syphoning a SINGLE CENT from anybody else. NOT ONE CENT. Can you say that? Almost all I own has been created by myself, and my wife, and earned by ourselves. And the nice thing about it is this: we are not rich. We are not poor either by many standards. But NOBODY has been compelled to contribute one cent to our small wealth. WE create our wealth, off our own backs as far as is humanly possible. And we are mostly immune to Governments of EITHER side, as far as we can manage. Now, I am going to bed, because I want to finish the work I am doing for US, without anybody else's cents being contributed. Goodnight all...and have a great night's sleep, and a good day tomorrow
Don't you make gates and other things for other people, and charge them? So you do make your wealth from others, right? People provide services, and receive money, just like you. Nobody except government is simply syphoning money from others. That includes the big CEOs.
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Don't you make gates and other things for other people, and charge them? So you do make your wealth from others, right? People provide services, and receive money, just like you. Nobody except government is simply syphoning money from others. That includes the big CEOs.
I was envious of his work until yesterday, but know I can safety say to him, "You didn't build that".
That is true, 12/21/12 may very well be the end of the world as we know it afterall.
toad that is why you nut-con's are so scary you hold your belief/faith in your DOGMA of IDEALS AND IDEAS above evidence
gut feelings above hard proven facts and far worse even when your NUT-CONNED ideas and ideals cause a world wide crash 1929 AND 2008 instead of looking at why they FAILED YOU JUST INSIST THEY NEED TO BE RETRYED HARDER BUT LIKE RELIGIOUS DOGMA NEVER QUESTIONED OR EXAMINED
IF THE 1929 DEPRESSION
OR THE 2008 CRASH
did not prove the FAILURE OF GOP DOGMA
THE RESENT TOTAL OBSTRUCTION AND RESULTS of GOP GRIDLOCK THAT IS THE DIRECT RESULT OF THE GOP HOUSE will prove to the American people just what the GOP DOGMA RESULTS IN DEPRESSIONS !!!!!!!!!!
------------------ Question wonder and be wierd are you kind?
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Posts: 6923 From: Tucson, Arizona Registered: Jan 2002
I think I understand Obama's statement...when he loses and has Obamacare repealed he can say "I didn't do that, somebody else did"
I saw a video this morning of him trying to explain this away, wish I could find it on the net. After about three words he goes off into never-never land.
1600'S the nut-cons of that day said do not go to america the savages will eat you
all our founders early colonists were NOT CON'S
1700'S the nut cons supported the king against the rights of man predicting anarchy if common people could vote or even that no country could exist long with out a king
1800'S civil war and racist nut-con's support trying to divide and destroy our nation while supporting robber barons and crooks used army troops to break strikes WITH WILLING nut con's support with long lists of disaster predictions about blacks, unions, indians and chinese AND NONE CAME TRUE EVER
1900'S NUT CON'S AGAINST WOMEN and their vote, rights, and even control of their bodys with lots of failed predictions from the rightwing about blacks again [still] women gays and rights, vote, military service ECT NONE OF THE NUT-CON'S PREDICTIONS CAME CLOSE TO TRUE
WHY IN THE 2000'S DO YOU EXPECT YOUR RECORD OF FAILURE AND FEAR TO CHANGE OR IMPROVE ?
REALLY ???
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No, I have everything. It is just so boring correcting your glaring errors, like the fact that the Republican party was formed in 1854 which means there were no "Nut Cons" in the 16th, 17th or 18th Centuries.
Or the fact that the Republican Party was founded originally as the "Anti-Slavery Party" and freed the slaves, authored the 14th and 15th ammendments, the Emancipation Proclamation, etc. It was the Democrats who founded the KKK...yeah, I kow rayb, facts can be messy.
The first woman in Congress...a Republican, the first black Congressman...a Republican. Every major civil rights activist in our nations history from Harriet Tubman and Frederick Douglas to Martin Luther King Jr were all Republicans.
Or the fact that the amendment to give women the right to vote was proposed by a Republican Congressman from Wyoming, passed by a GOP held House, and fillibustered by the Democrats in the Senate and only won because they could not get other democrats who had left to return and kill the bill.
Robert Byrd, grand dragon in the KKK...life long Democrat, George "Segregation NOW" Wallace, Democrat...The Dixiecrats? Yup, all racist Democrats who thought the DNC wasn't racist ENOUGH. Chief Justice White and Woodrow Wilson? Yep, members of the KKK who ran a private screening of the racist movie "Birth of a Nation" in the White House. FDR? imprisoned Japanese, Italian, and German Americans for being Japanese, Italian, and German Americans without due process...he suspended the Constitution and advocated a segregated military.
In fact, rayb, you're pathetic. It is bad enough that you are willfully ignorant but to lie on top of that is the reason no one....and I mean NO ONE ever sides with you here. You are just that much of an embarrassement to other liberals.
Sooooo, yes, I just yawn. Because all you do is re-enforce my convicitions and certainty of being right.
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No, I have everything. It is just so boring correcting your glaring errors, like the fact that the Republican party was formed in 1854 which means there were no "Nut Cons" in the 16th, 17th or 18th Centuries.
Or the fact that the Republican Party was founded originally as the "Anti-Slavery Party" and freed the slaves, authored the 14th and 15th ammendments, the Emancipation Proclamation, etc. It was the Democrats who founded the KKK...yeah, I kow rayb, facts can be messy.
The first woman in Congress...a Republican, the first black Congressman...a Republican. Every major civil rights activist in our nations history from Harriet Tubman and Frederick Douglas to Martin Luther King Jr were all Republicans.
Or the fact that the amendment to give women the right to vote was proposed by a Republican Congressman from Wyoming, passed by a GOP held House, and fillibustered by the Democrats in the Senate and only won because they could not get other democrats who had left to return and kill the bill.
Robert Byrd, grand dragon in the KKK...life long Democrat, George "Segregation NOW" Wallace, Democrat...The Dixiecrats? Yup, all racist Democrats who thought the DNC wasn't racist ENOUGH. Chief Justice White and Woodrow Wilson? Yep, members of the KKK who ran a private screening of the racist movie "Birth of a Nation" in the White House. FDR? imprisoned Japanese, Italian, and German Americans for being Japanese, Italian, and German Americans without due process...he suspended the Constitution and advocated a segregated military.
In fact, rayb, you're pathetic. It is bad enough that you are willfully ignorant but to lie on top of that is the reason no one....and I mean NO ONE ever sides with you here. You are just that much of an embarrassement to other liberals.
Sooooo, yes, I just yawn. Because all you do is re-enforce my convicitions and certainty of being right.
to shay away.. nice job..
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Posts: 11708 From: LAND OF CONFUSION Registered: Mar 2012
Divided about this, of course Obama is off his rocker. A interesting experiment, theoretical of course, would to be to make two clones of a successful business man. Put one in NYC, raised by a connected upper middle class family, and the other in the swamps of LA, raised by dirt poor Cajuns.
I expect the one put in NYC will do better, that doesn't mean he didn't build his business, but it does mean that it takes more than hard word and determination, there are other factors in play. If that was what Obummer was rambling about, I could agree. What he actually said, was all fail.
No, I have everything. It is just so boring correcting your glaring errors, like the fact that the Republican party was formed in 1854 which means there were no "Nut Cons" in the 16th, 17th or 18th Centuries.
Or the fact that the Republican Party was founded originally as the "Anti-Slavery Party" and freed the slaves, authored the 14th and 15th ammendments, the Emancipation Proclamation, etc. It was the Democrats who founded the KKK...yeah, I kow rayb, facts can be messy.
SURE THERE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN NUT-CON'S GOP WAS FOUNDED BY LIBERALS NOT CON'S BUT THERE WERE NUT-CON'S LONG BEFORE THE GOP
IN 1776 THEY WERE CALLED TORYS IN 1860 THE SOUTH WAS FULL ON NUT-CON'S WHO WANTED TO REBEL POST CIVIL WAR THE NUT-CON'S FORMED THE KKK YES THEY WERE DEMO'S BUT NUT-CON DEMO'S NOT LIBERALS AS WERE THE STATES RIGHTS DIXIECRATS CON'S ONLY AND NO LIBERALS 60'S ANTI-CIVIL RIGHTS LEADERSHIP WERE NUT-CON'S
TODAY IT IS THE WILLFULLY INGORANT NUT -CON'S LIKE YOU WHO IGNORE THEIR OWN HISTORY AND TRY TO CLAIM THE GOP WAS ALWAYS RIGHTWING
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Because you asked in an enquiring, rather than a dismissive fashion, I will answer as best I can Brennan
quote Originally posted by fierofetish:
Cliff, I have to disagree with this rhetorical soundbite that slips so glibly from peoples' lips . 99% OF MIDDLE-CLASS AND POOR PEOPLE end up contributing 100% of their 'salary' to taxes. May not be 'income tax'...but once all the taxes are poured into the melting pot...you want to tell me WHICH of the dollars in the melting pot are INCOME TAX, and which of the others are sales taxes etc. etc.etc.? You can't, and nobody else can either. The only people who do not end up paying ALL their income into the taxes cauldron one way or another, are those who have enough to save, after they have spent all they need. Their savings/investments are no longer subject to taxes until they withdraw them...and then they are only liable for tax on the PROFITS. And they pay a very much lower tax on that than people pay on the money they earn every day working. I am open to correction, as always, and no doubt some will try their best
I don't understand this. Taxes take out a lot when everything is said and done, but they still have a house, bed, etc. to show for it. Obviously they didn't give 100% to the government.. Food is bought, and eaten, which is part of their salary and obviously more than 0%. Clothes are worn, which were bought with more than 0% of their income.
When people have to spend the majority of their salary on neccessities of life,and getting by, then they are paying income tax in one form or another. Yes they can have a place to live, a bed etc etc...but have very little left, even if they ARE fiscally sensible. So they spend their income paycheck to paycheck, and pay a further tax in the form of sales tax. Then the people who sell them their requisites pay the sales tax out of the money they take...and take some as profit..upon which THEY pay income tax, and sales tax...etc etc. So you see, the poorer peoples' income finally almost ALL ends up in Government coffers. Then you take the wealthier section of Society (and most are entitled to that wealth, I am not denying that ). And they buy things just like the poorer section, and pay taxes in the same way. BUT...they have an amount of money left over, which has been taxed as income tax, and then they will probably invest it. Once invested, the invested sum doesn't get taxed, AFAIK, and they earn interest ON the investment, which is taxed at a far lower rate than a SALARY. Now, compare that to somebody who doean't earn enough to get by on his salary, and takes a second job. THAT amount is automatically taxed here and in the UK at a HIGHER rate than his principal job. So a guy who is industrious, and WORKS MORE for MORE money, is productive and does his jobs well, will pay MORE percentage tax on his total income, than the guy who has ONE job, and earns good money which enables him to invest that money and make more income from it...and pays less tax percent than somebody who actually WORKS his 'second job' on an investment. I fail to see how that is encouraging people to work, and be productive, when they can make more money and pay less tax, and not work for the 'extra' income. I simply believe that income earned from investment should be taxed at the same rate as the other guy's second job. quote Originally posted by fierofetish:
....and how many BILLIONS, possibly TRILLIONS of dollars in taxes,the powerfully influential and 'untouchable' keep from public view, AND the tax coffers . That WE haven't heard of...yet . Edited to add: ON BOTH SIDES OF THE SPECTRUM . After all...how many Socialist/Democrat Politicians are as poor as church mice? . I have yet to see a Politician who has NOT been exceedingly financially secure...on either side, and before stepping into the blighted system of Government which is laughingly called Government OF the People, BY the People. Impossible I know nowadays...but just show me ONE influential Politician who had as much or as little AFTER his 'term', as before...and I will show you an HONEST POLITICIAN, who IS a Politician BECAUSE he is honest, and wants the best for his Country. The only Politician who remotely could fill that post out of the current crop, and the PAST crop, is Ron Paul. Yes, I know much less about him than most of you do because I don't live there. But after 65 years on this Planet, I think I am pretty good at summing up Character and personality. I raerly have been wrong about PFF Members...why not Politicians...after all, I only read what they say, and what others might say about them .
I assume you aren't just talking about politicians but... there is no such thing as a trillionaire, which is why F88 was saying NOBODY is keeping trillions of dollars away in taxes...
Our country is "only" 14-15 of those trillions that you speak of in debt, and it's massive. Even if the government took every dime from the top 1%, it wouldn't cover our debt. That's why your statement doesn't make much sense, and what F88 is getting at. That number is enormous.. almost inconceivable. 1,000,000,000,000 is just one trillion.
Just as F88 jumped in and deliberately CHANGED the meaning of my words, so too have you, but I tend to believe you missed it because F88 deviated your thoughts away from what I actually WROTE, because you read his words and took them to be correct They weren't, Brennan, and consequently neither were yours I even went to the trouble of reposting that which had initially written, and axplained where my words were conveniently twisted to make my 'stance' more vulnerable: by making my words appear ludicrous. I will say it AGAIN...I NEVER said personal millionaires, billionaires, or trillionaires. I SAID that cumulatively, the very wealthy were directing their money AWAY from being taxed in the same way as 'Joe Public' on PAYE HAS to pay his taxes.SO the sum total of money not being taxed runs into Billions, if not Trillions Obviously I should have further stated that Corporations contribute vast amounts of those billions and trillions to the 'untaxed' poo,. but for the benefit of the wealthy, and less wealthy who, none the less, have money to invest in the Corporations etc., and thereby get an enhanced return FROM that pool.
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I'm sorry, but you failed miserably AGAIN. You can't be straightforward and give a straight answer, can you? Not ONE. Now, I have been awake and working for almost 15 hours today, making myself wealthier (on paper at least), without syphoning a SINGLE CENT from anybody else. NOT ONE CENT. Can you say that? Almost all I own has been created by myself, and my wife, and earned by ourselves. And the nice thing about it is this: we are not rich. We are not poor either by many standards. But NOBODY has been compelled to contribute one cent to our small wealth. WE create our wealth, off our own backs as far as is humanly possible. And we are mostly immune to Governments of EITHER side, as far as we can manage. Now, I am going to bed, because I want to finish the work I am doing for US, without anybody else's cents being contributed. Goodnight all...and have a great night's sleep, and a good day tomorrow
Don't you make gates and other things for other people, and charge them? So you do make your wealth from others, right? People provide services, and receive money, just like you. Nobody except government is simply syphoning money from others. That includes the big CEOs.
Taxes etc are NOT FREE MARKET TRADING. I don]'t force ANYBODY to buy from me ,AND they have the option of bargaining down the price. See the freedom there, but not in the other situation?
Returns on investments are a very simple tax on the people who WORK and RUN the businesses invested in. And I hasten to add that SOME money is invested to augment the advancement and expansion of particular businesses...but an awful lot of investments never even REACH the Company it is being 'invested' in because it is used as 'chips' in a form of gambling, and NOT for the betterment of any particular Company. Investment no longer consists of INVESTING in a Company, but as a good bet for a substantial return BECAUSE THE COMPANY IS ALREADY FUNCTIONING AND EXPANDING WELL without the need for the vast amount of 'investment they enjoy. '. So the stock exchange appears to ME to have mostly one giant Casino, where the wealthy can put their surplus money and generate MORE from 'gambling'. It appears to me to be a system set up for people with a LOT of wealth already, to make even more for doing nothing but using a pretty safe 'gambling' system.
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I was envious of his work until yesterday, but know I can safety say to him, "You didn't build that".
???? That is utter gibberish to me, and just a little spiteful for effect, IMHO. . Edit to add: No, I could not possibly claim with all honesty to having done it all by myself. Because I rely upon electricity generated, factories that make the welder,and the weldwire. The people who bottle the gas. The transport system that delivers all my requisites locally. etc etc. So you are right...'I didn't build that....ON MY OWN '. Which backs up my other comment that Obama should have expanded his comment to encompass these facts, which, I am sure, everybody agrees are true..if they are honest But Politics hardly engenders and encourages truth, does it?
Since the departure of JStricker, there has been nobody who puts an argument forward with sufficient integrity, lack of soundbites and party hack rhetoric, to stand a chance of changing ANYBODY'S views and opinions on PFF, with the exception of frontal lobe. I could read and listen to his words all day, and be swayed by his LOGIC, his respectful posts, his intelligence and his patience. HE singlehandedly represents, to ME, everything which is required of a person to create and stimulate thought and understanding. Brennan, for all his youth, is another who commands my respect. Somebody who posts ridiculous photos and even MORE ridiculous words attached to them stands a snowball in Hell's chance of converting ANYBODY. AGAIN, IMHO.
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. That WE haven't heard of...yet 
Food is bought, and eaten, which is part of their salary and obviously more than 0%. Clothes are worn, which were bought with more than 0% of their income.
