quote Originally posted by partfiero: I am beginning to think that only a "well timed war" will save his presidency. It will have to begin around the 1st of September to have the biggest impact.

rumor is they have already met with israle on attacking iran
so you're not all that far off base..

quote Originally posted by newf: My opinion is that the blurb "You didn't build that" was taken out of context and that if one looks at the whole speech it is apparent.

The blurb serves no purpose if your opinion were true. Also, it can not be true. People did build on their own. We are all masters of our own universe.

quote Originally posted by newf: I don't believe Obama a Socialist, Communist, Fascist, etc. and further more I think he wants to improve the U.S., take it out of the near depression it was in, and keep it one of the greatest countries on earth.

Obama is, and has proclaimed to be, a Progressive. Hillary and many others proclaim the same thing. You should educate yourself on the ideology of the movement. Witness for yourself if he is attempting the further those values. His idea of improving the USA, well, Hitler also thought he was improving his country. As far as taking the USA out of a near depression, he does not have a clue. As much as he blames Bush, it was a dumbocrat caused recession and he, just as the Progressives of the 1920's, have enacted policies which prohibit recovery. As far as the USA being the greatest nation on Earth, it is because of the people, not the government.

quote Originally posted by newf: I think people that regurgitating the hate and fear seem blinded by it and ... I think that the U.S. and other political systems are too easily influenced by money and that waters down their effectiveness to Govern "For the people" first, this includes the Obama administration IMO.

I think you are the one speaking with emotional rationality. You are blinded of our motives. I don't hate the man, I don't fear the man. The only thing that you have right, is about the money. That has been true for ages.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: One of Obama's books is called "Dreams from My Father". Notice it isn't dreams OF, but FROM. That seems to imply that he shares those dreams and/or had such an influence on him that he titled a book about it. So, who was his father? What kind of dreams are we talking about? Obama Hid His Father’s Socialism From Readers

Wow dude, your trying very hard in making a connection in subsituting the word "of" and "from," but you somehow can't read the before and after paragraphs? Amazing. If you want to hear the man speaks for himself your welcomed to view this video. He candidly talks about his father and how his father struggled into the modern age. There is no mention of any "socialism" during the entire 8-minutes or so video (the good part is near the end).



Once again fireobear you have failed.

Fail boat II:

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Elsewhere in the speech, he tried to imply that business people aren't successful because they are smarter or worked harder. That comes from his attitude about socioeconomics and government-centric viewpoint. His comments weren't made in a vacuum.

I notice you like using the word "imply" when attempting convey your so-called facts. Imply here is nothing more than saying you're "hinting" or "inferring" some type of conclusion to your reasoning. In order for this to reach any solid conclusion you'll need more than "implying." You can pick and choose one sentence or one word to make up a conclusion here.

Let’s review this again.

1. I used fact check to refute your allegations.

2. Basic English 101 when reading a sentence or paragraph. No colleges that I know of hands a student one paragraph, one or two words and ask, "What the books is about?"

3. I used a video of Obama during an interview regarding his book and he's speaking candidly about his father and there's on "hint" "implying" that he's a socialist or Marxist.

My conclusion of you fierobear is your intend is to spead lies and to defend the lie even though you've been proven wrong. You will attach these lies to each and every thread here on O/T, but when you are called out. You'll respond by saying, "I have more" but in the end these too are more lies. That makes you a very dangerous man for all that is needed is a nut case to believe the lies and take it to the next level.

quote Originally posted by madcurl:

I won't waste my time presenting the entire case, given the fact that you can't take your eyes off the ONE thing I mentioned to look at the big picture.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: I won't waste my time presenting the entire case, given the fact that you can't take your eyes off the ONE thing I mentioned to look at the big picture.

and both lies where proven to be false.

http://www.factcheck.org/20...dreams-of-my-father/




There is no evidence of President Omaba being a socialist or Marxist based upon your so-called entire case of evidence. Apparently you like speading lies and you've been called on it-twice. A false tongue that is speading lies isn't something a person should be proud of.

quote Originally posted by madcurl: and both lies where proven to be false. http://www.factcheck.org/20...dreams-of-my-father/

By the way, although the quote we are talking about is contained in the article at your link, the discussion is NOT about whaether Obama is a Marxist. The article is about Islam and racism. Here is the subject of the article:

Did Obama write that he would "stand with the Muslims" and that he nurses a "pervasive sense of grievance and animosity" toward whites?

It isn't about whether or not he's a Marxist. Wow. Did you even READ the f***ing article? You have some gall to call me a liar and declare that I fail, and you can't even keep straight what the article YOU posted as proof is actually about.

quote There is no evidence of President Omaba being a socialist or Marxist based upon your so-called entire case of evidence.

ENTIRE case of evidence? I SPECIFICALLY said that it was ONE example, not anywhere close to my entire case. It's like we aren't even having the same argument.

quote Apparently you like speading lies and you've been called on it-twice. A false tongue that is speading lies isn't something a person should be proud of.

How the hell can you call me a liar when you can't even understand the subject of the evidence you present to prove me wrong? Holy s***, that's really pathetic.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: How the hell can you call me a liar when you can't even understand the subject of the evidence you present to prove me wrong? Holy s***, that's really pathetic.

You started out here with using link regarding: Marxist, then the book, and then "imply" all of which is based solely upon false information.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: I've read excerpts of the book and heard clips from the audio book, which was read by the president himself. One example:. The Marxist professors and structured feminists and punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets. At night in the dorms, we discussed neocolonialism, Franz Fanon, Eurocentrism and patriarchy. When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpets or set our stereos so loud the walls began to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society's stifling conventions. We weren't indifferent, or careless, or insecure. We were alienated. Here is the definition of "Bourgeois Society", from a site called "marxists.org" http://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/b/o.htm

I in turn shifted threw your so-called truths and Factcheck.org proved you and the two links are a lie. The third is just simple English 101. No teacher or professior hands a student a paragraph and then ask, "Tell me what the book is all about?" That's just plain stupid, but that is what you are doing here and yet that is what you want us to belive.

quote Originally posted by madcurl: I in turn shifted threw your so-called truths and Factcheck.org proved you and the two links are a lie. The third is just simple English 101. No teacher or professior hands a student a paragraph and then ask, "Tell me what the book is all about?" That's just plain stupid, but that is what you are doing here and yet that is what you want us to belive.

You can repeat that crap all you want, it won't make it any more true the 10th time you say it.

I'll get to the other evidence. But you are so blinded by your loyalty to Obama, you won't believe any evidence against him.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: You can repeat that crap all you want, it won't make it any more true the 10th time you say it. I'll get to the other evidence. But you are so blinded by your loyalty to Obama, you won't believe any evidence against him.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Or you could take it at face value that seeking out Marxist professors was simply a continuation of the ideology he was raised on.

Fireobear you have some type of fascination with this "ideology" for you’ve have mentioned this before in other threads throughout the O/T section. I will demonstrate a few quotes made by you regarding this notion about some type of underlying plot.

quote Originally posted by madcurl: Fireobear you have some type of fascination with this "ideology" for you’ve have mentioned this before in other threads throughout the O/T section. I will demonstrate a few quotes made by you regarding this notion about some type of underlying plot.

Curl, you have an unshakable faith in Obama. The guy is an empty suit, but you will support him no matter what.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Or you could take it at face value that seeking out Marxist professors was simply a continuation of the ideology he was raised on.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Interesting how *I* am accused of painting broad strokes, and so on. I'm posting articles by someone who WAS a leftist, and who knows them and their philosophy.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: I'd ask you to reconsider. I started the thread about liberals, not Democrats. Although the current Democratic party is nearly 100% co-opted by liberals, and I talk a lot about what the Democrats are currently doing, it's about the ideology that is driving current policy. Just like this thread isn't only about the Republicans. With our two-party system, the Republicans are our only current hope for putting conservative principles in place. I agree that the parties are bullshit, but the ideology is important because it's driving public policies.

These various quotes were made by you fierobear from different threads on O/T. Notice you like the word, "ideology." Hmm? I will need to dig deeper for more quotes made by you. Let's see how the shoe fits when you are under the mircroscope.

quote Originally posted by madcurl: These various quotes were made by you fierobear from different threads on O/T. Notice you like the word, "ideology." Hmm? I will need to dig deeper for more quotes made by you. Let's see how the shoe fits when you are under the mircroscope.

You are a master at changing the subject and taking the discussion off on weird tangents.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Curl, you have an unshakable faith in Obama. The guy is an empty suit, but you will support him no matter what.

Once again. The pattern you've created here on Pennocks.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Interesting how *I* am accused of painting broad strokes, and so on. I'm posting articles by someone who WAS a leftist, and who knows them and their philosophy.

Anybody that is the "left" is against you even though you don't even know them. hmm?

quote Originally posted by madcurl: Actually, it demomstrates a "pattern" where you like to attack or as this thread shows "attach" a lie in order to make your point and when lie you've presented has been exposed you continue the lie with another lie. I think your next move will be to attach another lie to prove your point. Shall we play? There are many more threads you've created that make references to "ideology."

What is your point? Are you saying that Obama's ideology isn't relevant or important?

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quote Originally posted by fierobear: Curl, you have an unshakable faith in Obama. The guy is an empty suit, but you will support him no matter what.

Says the pot

quote Originally posted by madcurl: I notice you like using the word "imply" when attempting convey your so-called facts. Imply here is nothing more than saying you're "hinting" or "inferring" some type of conclusion to your reasoning. In order for this to reach any solid conclusion you'll need more than "implying." You can pick and choose one sentence or one word to make up a conclusion here. Let’s review this again. 1. I used fact check to refute your allegations. 2. Basic English 101 when reading a sentence or paragraph. No colleges that I know of hands a student one paragraph, one or two words and ask, "What the books is about?" 3. I used a video of Obama during an interview regarding his book and he's speaking candidly about his father and there's on "hint" "implying" that he's a socialist or Marxist. My conclusion of you fierobear is your intend is to spead lies and to defend the lie even though you've been proven wrong. You will attach these lies to each and every thread here on O/T, but when you are called out. You'll respond by saying, "I have more" but in the end these too are more lies. That makes you a very dangerous man for all that is needed is a nut case to believe the lies and take it to the next level.

Can't help but notice the irony. Obama is an undisputed failure as President in every metric there is and his only tactic in this election is to slam Romney (which BTW is not working according to most polls).

And it looks as if his supporters have gotten the memo.

Another interesting point...madcurl links to a site that says Obama isn't really a socialist or Marxist because he was trying to impress his peers as not being a "sell out" based on the oddballs he CHOSE to hang out with. So...he wasn't really a Marxist, he just wanted people to THINK he was. In other words, he was LYING to his peers about his ideology.

When he ran for president, he denied connections with socialists and Marxists like Reverend Wright and Bill Ayers. So is he LYING again, because he knows he couldn't get elected/reelected as a socialist and/or Marxist?

So, which is it?

I'm no socialist, Obama tells CEOs

So, now you're backing down since you been proven to be a liar by factcheck.org, but now your running with:

quote Originally posted by fierobear: So...he wasn't really a Marxist, he just wanted people to THINK he was. In other words, he was LYING to his peers about his ideology.

Less than one page back you were all on top of the marxist, socialist nonsense.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: You can repeat that crap all you want, it won't make it any more true the 10th time you say it. I'll get to the other evidence. But you are so blinded by your loyalty to Obama, you won't believe any evidence against him.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: I've read excerpts of the book and heard clips from the audio book, which was read by the president himself. One example: Link "To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structured feminists and punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets. At night in the dorms, we discussed neocolonialism, Franz Fanon, Eurocentrism and patriarchy. When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpets or set our stereos so loud the walls began to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society's stifling conventions. We weren't indifferent, or careless, or insecure. We were alienated. But this strategy alone couldn't provide the distance I wanted, from Joyce or my past. After all, there were thousands of so called campus radicals, most of them white and tenured and happily tolerant. No, it remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names." Barrack Obama - Dreams of My Father, page 101 Audio version Here is the definition of "Bourgeois Society", from a site called "marxists.org" http://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/b/o.htm

But in another thread created by you-you're back on the Socialist horse again.

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/094133.html

So lets review. fierobear calls President Obama a Maxist and a socialist. He is called on it and found to be a complete liar by doing some back ground checks. Factcheck.org has proved him to be a liar.

Secondly, you come back saying, "So...he wasn't really a Marxist, he just wanted people to THINK he was. In other words, he was LYING to his peers about his ideology.

Thirdly, this is another lie for he created another thread here

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/094133.html


I did a Pennock's O/T check on fierobear. I found at least 67 threads in O/T all pointing to one conclusion. He hates everything that is on the left and will lie in order to meet his agenda. I find this sad because you're doing more harm than good by presenting false statements.

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quote Originally posted by madcurl: So, now you're backing down since you been proven to be a liar by factcheck.org, but now your running with:

quote Originally posted by fierobear: So...he wasn't really a Marxist, he just wanted people to THINK he was. In other words, he was LYING to his peers about his ideology.

Uh...no. Not even close, curl.

Holy crap, that's gotta be the WORST case of reading comprehension I've ever seen.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Uh...no. Not even close, curl. Holy crap, that's gotta be the WORST case of reading comprehension I've ever seen.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: I won't waste my time presenting the entire case, given the fact that you can't take your eyes off the ONE thing I mentioned to look at the big picture.

and both lies where proven to be false.

http://www.factcheck.org/20...dreams-of-my-father/




There is no evidence of President Omaba being a socialist or Marxist based upon your so-called entire case of evidence. Apparently you like speading lies and you've been called on it-twice. A false tongue that is speading lies isn't something a person should be proud of.


fierobear spreads lies.

quote Originally posted by madcurl: fierobear spreads lies.

Ok, let me dumb this down in the hopes you can understand it.

1. YOU said that Obama's statement about seeking Marxist professors didn't mean he was a Marxist, it meant he just wanted to look cool. Which would mean he was LYING to whoever he wanted to think he was a radical. That would make him a LIAR.

2. If he WASN'T lying to others in college, then he is LYING NOW that he's not a socialist.

One more time - he either LIED then or he's LYING now.

As for the full case of whether he's a socialist, I haven't attempted to present it here in this thread because doing so would be a waste of time presenting it to you, espcially given your very poor comprehension. Not to mention your thinking you can call me a liar when the guy you defend is a PROVEN liar.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: As for the full case of whether he's a socialist, I haven't attempted to present it here in this thread because doing so would be a waste of time presenting it to you, espcially given your very poor comprehension. Not to mention your thinking you can call me a liar when the guy you defend is a PROVEN liar.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: You can repeat that crap all you want, it won't make it any more true the 10th time you say it. I'll get to the other evidence. But you are so blinded by your loyalty to Obama, you won't believe any evidence against him.

Look at you. You've been caught lying and Factcheck.org proved it and with a little bit of investigation I even found the actual youtube video. You came to a thread and tried to attach your lies to it and was caught and I suspect I can do the same with other threads you've started. I'm already digging info on your other thread I recently bumped. You've been sprung fierbear and like a frightened mama bear you won't give in when presented with the truth and you like to have the last word and then try and twist it using your wicked tongue.

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Madcurl, this question is sincere:

Don't you think you are doing more harm to the cause of equality than good by supporting an underperforming man? The fact that Obama is black, as a rational for supporting him, is like the logic of those who supported OJ Simpson despite the fact that he killed two people.

Wouldn't you gain more support for the cause and improve the lives of all black Americans by demanding the very best from your candidates instead of tossing up an empty suit who has never achieved one thing in his life?

quote Originally posted by madcurl: Look at you. You've been caught lying and Factcheck.org proved it and with a little bit of investigation I even found the actual youtube video. You came to a thread and tried to attach your lies to it and was caught and I suspect I can dWo the same with other threads you've started. I'm already digging info on your other thread I recently bumped. You've been sprung fierbear and like a frightened mama bear you won't give in when presented with the truth and you like to have the last word and then try and twist it using your wicked tongue.

What you just posted is pure nonsense, and is nothing more than a repeat of the same nonsense in the last post. You've gone off the rails, madcurl.

I'm probably going to get crazy flamed for this, but it's to be expected.

First, what he said was plucked out of context.

Second, as a successful business owner, I can honestly say that I did not get here alone and I did not build it by myself.

Without college, I would have never started this business. I paid for most of school myself but the government did foot $15,000 of the bill. Without the professors who taught, I would have never known what I needed to know to get things moving.

Without standing on the shoulders of giants, I would have never been able to turn to the internet to help launch a successful business campaign.

Without the aid from hired help, this would still just be a dream of mine.

So no, I did not build my business by myself. Unless your business has no ties to the outside world, anyone who thinks they built a business by themselves without the help from their community, the government, or others, is sadly mistaken.

quote Originally posted by E.Furgal: why does the guy from canada care so much.. .

Because they are our neighbors and our politics directly effect them as well. ( as does Mexico )

quote Originally posted by Spektrum-87GT: I'm probably going to get crazy flamed for this, but it's to be expected. First, what he said was plucked out of context. Second, as a successful business owner, I can honestly say that I did not get here alone and I did not build it by myself. Without college, I would have never started this business. I paid for most of school myself but the government did foot $15,000 of the bill. Without the professors who taught, I would have never known what I needed to know to get things moving. Without standing on the shoulders of giants, I would have never been able to turn to the internet to help launch a successful business campaign. Without the aid from hired help, this would still just be a dream of mine. So no, I did not build my business by myself. Unless your business has no ties to the outside world, anyone who thinks they built a business by themselves without the help from their community, the government, or others, is sadly mistaken.

What part of "you didn't build that" is taken out of context?

quote Originally posted by madcurl: There is no evidence of President Omaba being a socialist or Marxist based upon your so-called entire case of evidence. Apparently you like speading lies and you've been called on it-twice. A false tongue that is speading lies isn't something a person should be proud of.

Every action of this man, and every statement he makes, clearly demonstrates that he is a socialist and wants to reform our country into his ideal socialist society. ( which isn't a crime for him to want, just that it is contrary to what our founding fathers wanted for the future of this country and most Americans don't like that sort of society either. we value freedom and liberty )

Perhaps its just that you had a different definition of socialism taught to you in your public school than the rest of the world was, and that might explain your rather bizarre left leaning anti-liberty attitude?

quote Originally posted by Toddster: What part of "you didn't build that" is taken out of context?

He was referring to roads and bridges.

quote Originally posted by Spektrum-87GT: He was referring to roads and bridges.

You go on believing that and keep the faith, good little comrade.

quote Originally posted by User00013170: Most rational people do not agree with that statement.

I'm glad you're the spokesperson for "most rational people". Did they chose you to be their representative? I'd be amazed to see your pool of "rational people" and the data you collected from them in reference to this speech.

Like him, or hate him, watch the video, he's referring to roads and bridges and possibly infrastructure with the statement he made, not the business itself. I personally don't like the guy but can't believe the ignorance in that people actually think he's referring to the business itself.

I'm a successful business owner and I agree, I didn't get to where I'm at today alone and would never claim to have. Sure, I worked hard, incredibly hard, to become successful but did I do it alone? No. That was the point of his speech.

quote Originally posted by Spektrum-87GT: Sure, I worked hard, incredibly hard, to become successful

"Let me tell you something, there are a whole bunch of hard working people out there".
Glad me and the pres could point that out for you!