quote Originally posted by starlightcoupe: Cliff, can you close this thread? I think we have gotten the point that this is a political forum.

So i take it you don't approve of people having a political discussion?

Like others have said in the past, if you don't like a subject, don't read it.. No one is forcing anyone to read this thread. Sure there are some strong opinions here but personally i feel that so far its been civil enough not to warrant being moved to the trashcan. That might change tomorrow, but so far its not and to be honest asking for it to be canned beacuse *you* dislike the topic is rather offensive and just as political as the content you are asking to squelch.

( yep, there goes my ratings bar )

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I didn't mark this thread as Political because at the time of posting I did not see it as a political event or subject. It was a story of a senseless shooting by a deranged individual. The thread title was simply a headline pasted i the subject line.
The direction definetly took a quick turn towards political idealogy, it is what it is.

I have bowed out of the discussion, to those who would like to end the thread or do not approve of the content............ State your opinion or click the back button, no one is forcing you to participate.

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quote Originally posted by DRA: I didn't mark this thread as Political because at the time of posting I did not see it as a political event or subject. It was a story of a senseless shooting by a deranged individual. The thread title was simply a headline pasted i the subject line. The direction definetly took a quick turn towards political idealogy, it is what it is.

DRA,
No fault of yours, you can not control the direction a thread takes. Folks that don't like what's in the thread can back out of it. Thanks for the original posting.

Ron

When people wonder why others who say they abhor violence don't condemn acts of violence, I have to wonder if they really mean it.

http://www.glennbeck.com/co...nnels/451373/1134954

Every aspect of our lives is touched/dictated by politics. If you don't wish to participate in political discussion, PLEASE DON'T VOTE! Your vote can negatively affect me. It can affect the entire country.

It is indeed sad that we can't view this situation as a tragedy, which it certainly is, and minister to the needs of the victims, punish the guilty, and work to prevent another heinous act such as this.

So much for the dream. The fact is that this probably was caused, in some fashion, by politics. Whether the actor was of a clear mind or not, it was probably an act against a political act of some kind.

Here is why we can't ignore the political aspect of this situation, or any other.
It is very interesting to me that it is the left who is calling for a reduction in rhetoric.

quote Arizona Massacre Prompts Political 'Cheap Shots' When Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords collapsed outside the Safeway in Tucson Saturday morning, felled by a hail of bullets that killed six and wounded another 13 innocent people that had come to see her, some were quick to claim that the carnage was the product not merely of the tortured mind and trigger-happy fingers of the alleged shooter, 22-year-old Jared Lee Loughner. Rather, many on the American Left said the horror could be traced to the malign influence of American conservatives; members of the Tea Party; right-wing pundits Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck; former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin; and Fox News. That was the narrative of culpability spun in the immediate aftermath of the shootings by some leading liberal commentators and Democratic politicians -- despite warnings from religious leaders, lawyers, academics, ethicists, reporters and historians that such a rush to judgment only further deepens the partisan divide in America, and further poisons its discourse. Within minutes after the attempted assassination of Giffords -- indeed, at a point when it was still erroneously believed in many quarters that she was dead, and the identity of her shooter was not publicly known -- some commentators, absent any credible evidence, were already busily laying blame for the atrocity in political terms. Nobel Prize-winning economist and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman blogged at 3:22 p.m. ET Saturday: "We don't have proof yet that this was political, but the odds are that it was." Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, a Democrat, also found a political element in Saturday's bloodshed. Dupnik argued that the "vitriol" of the country's harshly polarized political climate was partly to blame, arguing that unbalanced individuals are uniquely "susceptible" to vitriol. Dupnik added, in an interview with Fox News' Megyn Kelly: "We see one party trying to block the attempts of another party to make this a better country." Asked by Kelly if he had any evidence Loughner was in any way influenced by political "vitriol," Dupnik offered none. "That's my opinion, period," he said. Krugman, in his blog post on the Times website, went on to mention Giffords' presence last year on Palin's "infamous crosshairs list." This was a map, disseminated by Palin's political action committee, SarahPAC, denoting the districts of 20 vulnerable House Democrats with images of crosshairs overlaid on each. The map was accompanied by a caption saying: IT'S TIME TO TAKE A STAND. Giffords herself, during her narrow campaign victory over a Tea Party-backed opponent last year, had complained about this choice of imagery, telling MSNBC: "The way that (Palin) has it depicted, the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district ...When people do that, they've gotta realize there are consequences to that action." Unnoted by Giffords then, or Krugman now, is the routine use of similar language and imagery by both parties in a culture obsessed with "battleground" states. Indeed, a nearly identical map, included in a Democratic Leadership Committee publication in 2004, featured nine bullseyes over regions where Republican candidates were considered vulnerable that year, and was accompanied by a caption reading: TARGETING STRATEGY. A smaller caption, beneath the bullseyes, read: BEHIND ENEMY LINES. The map illustrated an article on campaign strategy by Will Marshall of the Progressive Policy Institute. Krugman's blog post on Saturday linked "the rhetoric of Beck, Limbaugh, etc." to "the violence I fear we're going to see in the months and years ahead," and added: "Violent acts are what happen when you create a climate of hate." Yet in all of the grammatically hobbled writings and statements that Loughner posted on the Internet -- in which, ironically, one of his chief obsessions was others' poor grammar -- the failed student and awkward loner made not a single reference to talk-radio or the TV hosts Krugman cited, to the health care debate or the Tea Party, to Sarah Palin or Fox News. Still, Rep. Bill Pascrell, D-N.J., found conservative lawmakers and Fox News at fault. The eight-term lawmaker told the Bergen Record Saturday: "There's an aura of hate, and elected politicians feed it; certain people on Fox News feed it." Pascrell, for his part, has appeared as a guest on Fox News at least 159 times, dating from a January 2002 appearance on "The O’Reilly Factor" ("Honor to talk to you," Pascrell told host Bill O’Reilly, at the end of their segment) to an appearance last month on "Your World with Neil Cavuto" -- 38 days before the Tucson massacre. "The nation needs to be united right now," Pascrell told the hosts of "Fox & Friends" last Jan. 28, nearly a year before he blamed the network and GOP politicians for the attempted assassination of Giffords. "We don't do the nation any good by simply dividing amongst ourselves." Without mentioning Palin by name, Sen. Richard Durbin of Illinois, the number-two Democrat in the Senate, alluded on Sunday to the 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee in his discussion of the causes of the violence the day before. Durbin invoked "don't retreat, reload," a phrase from a well publicized Twitter message once sent by Palin, as the kind of "violent" sentiment that can provoke incidents like Saturday's. "These sorts of things, I think, invite the kind of toxic rhetoric that can lead unstable people to believe this is an acceptable response," Durbin said on CNN’s "State on the Union" program. Some prominent commentators objected to these comments. "To try to place blame before an investigation has occurred is in itself inciting hatred," countered Christian missionary Franklin Graham. Reached by Fox News minutes after returning to the United States from Haiti, where he had hosted Palin on a humanitarian mission last month, Graham offered prayers for the wounded and dead, and cautioned against ascribing a political motivation or origin to the violence. "Because we may disagree with a person from another political party, and something bad happens to that person, does that mean that we are responsible for what happens to that person? By no means. But If somebody calls for someone to go out and shoot someone in the head, then that person is just as responsible as the person who pulled the trigger." Historian Douglas Brinkley agreed. "We've got to be careful here that we don't use this as a censoring moment, or use this as a Democrats-beating-up-on-Republicans (moment), or using it as an opportunity to humiliate anybody who's affiliated with the Tea Party movement," Brinkley said. The author of numerous acclaimed biographies, Brinkley has edited the collected papers of the late Gonzo journalist Hunter S. Thompson, and won the 2007 Robert F. Kennedy Book Award for "The Great Deluge: Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans, and the Mississippi Gulf Coast." "There are definitely times when you have fallout from politics," Brinkley told Fox News in an interview from Austin, Texas, "but we don't want to lose the central point here: that this is a deranged person, that there's nobody serious in the Republican Party that would want to see such a heinous event happen at a Safeway. So we've got to be careful not to be braggadocio, not to use this, if you're a Democrat, as a weapon." Reporter Pete Williams, who covers legal affairs and the Supreme Court for NBC News, steered his viewers away from a political explanation for the violent attack on a political figure. "The initial picture we're getting is that this is not what you would call, in the traditional sense, a politically motivated act," Williams said. "This seems to be the actions of a very disturbed individual." That call was widely heard on Fox News. "I don't know whether he's insane or not, but I do know that we need a reasonable discussion of what was going on with this man," said Peter Johnson, Jr., a Fox News legal analyst. "(Loughner's Internet) statements, taken together with the police conduct with regard to his known activities -- especially taken with the fact that he was rejected by the Army -- paints a disturbing picture of a mind that appears not to be intact. ... And we need to understand that the spinning wheel of recrimination at this point should be based on the facts, and not based on some rhetorical determination." Juan Williams, the liberal Fox News analyst and historian of the civil rights movement, said Sheriff Dupnik "speaks for a lot of people" who would like to see the tenor of the American political debate dialed down a notch. "People realize that in the era of Obama, a lot of highly charged vilification of the president has been going on, particularly during the health-care debate," Williams said. "So people are alert for anything that could possibly be tied to the highly polarized political environment." At the same time, Williams recalled the "bump" in public opinion polls President Clinton received when, in the wake of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, he attacked right-wing radio hosts. Williams urged Democrats to refrain from adopting a similar tactic today. "Some on the left are taking cheap shots," Williams said, "to try to keep Republicans on the defensive. In all honesty, I don't see any direct connection between any Republican group and this shooter ... who is a psycho nut-job." Peter Wehner, a senior fellow at the Ethic and Public Policy Center in Washington, called the comments by Krugman, Durbin, and other liberals "sickening." "People were taking a terrible human tragedy and using it as a political club, and there wasn’t even a moratorium of 24 hours, or even 24 minutes," said Wehner. A veteran of several Republican White Houses and the co-author of "City of Man: Religion and Politics in a New Era," Wehner said it would have been "legitimate" if the Tucson massacre had provoked a dialogue about gun control, because conservatives often seize on terrorist incidents to frame national security debates. But he also saw a double standard at work. "When (former Rep. Alan) Grayson called his opponent 'Taliban Dan' (during Grayson's losing re-election campaign last year against GOP challenger Daniel Webster)," Wehner said, "I didn’t notice the left being concerned about an atmosphere of violence." Palin has issued a statement expressing her "sincere condolences" to those affected by Saturday’s shootings, but has not responded to suggestions that her statements, often studded with references to hunting and firearms, played some role in the Tucson massacre. Fox News’ Jake Gibson contributed to this report.

Obama: ‘If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun’

I came home to find that this thread is now about this thread.
When tragedy befalls this nation, it is inevitable, and appropriate that we discuss how it affects our lives and how it may alter our future. Miss-placed blame and ill-considered attempts at humor are not appropriate.

Speaking of miss-placed blame, read this from 2008 it was posted on a Liberal website.
http://www.examiner.com/pos...-dead-to-me-giffords

If anyone wants to follow the news stories on this and how they are being used to slime conservatives.
http://newsbusters.org/cate...e/gabrielle-giffords

quote Originally posted by Formula88: When people wonder why others who say they abhor violence don't condemn acts of violence, I have to wonder if they really mean it.

quote Originally posted by avengador1: Speaking of miss-placed blame, read this from 2008 it was posted on a Liberal website. http://www.examiner.com/pos...-dead-to-me-giffords If anyone wants to follow the news stories on this and how they are being used to slime conservatives. http://newsbusters.org/cate...e/gabrielle-giffords

I can't believe you quoted Newsbusters as a source for how liberals are "sliming" conservatives.

I mean, I laugh at Jodie's videos, they're really quite funny. Thing is, they're non-stop liberal bashing (at least it's done in a lighthearted way)...but this is a case of pot, meet kettle.

..This is the fault of one man ,a mentally deranged man.
..Free speech is fantastic ,unless some one says something you hate !!
..Unfortunately a lefty democrat did this ,,so the right will be accused & punished
,it is ..the way of left wing Liars,,hammer away ,half truth propaganda works very well for them.
Never forget how the MAJOR media HID/CONCEALED Barracks past..
Every one is entitled to my opinion,thank you !!

quote Originally posted by uhlanstan: ..Free speech is fantastic ,unless some one says something you hate !!

Only if you are a hypocrite. Not all of us are.

News this morning on the way in to work reported she is 'aware', and making 'hand signs'. Not sure about the other survivors status.

quote Originally posted by User00013170: News this morning on the way in to work reported she is 'aware', and making 'hand signs'. Not sure about the other survivors status.

It sounds like she is out of the woods, I wish her the best.
I wish there were more coverage of the other victims, details on the other victims still seems a little sketchy. The media seems to be busy running stories on the shooter, gun laws, and the left VS right crap.

quote Originally posted by DRA: It sounds like she is out of the woods, I wish her the best. I wish there were more coverage of the other victims, details on the other victims still seems a little sketchy. The media seems to be busy running stories on the shooter, gun laws, and the left VS right crap.

Unfortunately its pretty typical not to hear about the 'little people' outside of your own local area. But, ya i hope the best for them and their families too.

quote Originally posted by User00013170: Unfortunately its pretty typical not to hear about the 'little people' outside of your own local area. But, ya i hope the best for them and their families too.

Here's one story at AZ Central: Arizona shooting: Mother shielded daughter from shots

An amazing story, mom took three shots to protect her daughter.

Here's another from the same site: Arizona shooting: Retired colonel helped subdue gunman

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..The little people are dying every week in the war against the terrorist muslims and most do not care ,,we only care about this because a member of congress was gunned down by some human being that had a dark gray side he could not keep hidden he was tortured ,a cruel democrat darkness lurking .
..Now im a hypocrite ,I must have championed some dem/commie cause I am unaware of??,,Half truth.propaganda,and character assasination are the way of the democrat/commie left,, then they accuse those with oppossing views of doing what they did.
I use to enjoy,live for smoking cigarrettes ,drinking booze, and ploting revenge,However I discovered the libs/democrats who were devoid of real humour,just hating ,,I join them in the hate ,but on the other side,because most republicans and conservatives are to polite..
when the democrat urinated and spit and burned the many American flags,I became thier enemy ,apache!!
..If you care !!say a prayer for them as I did ..Atheist just continue on into the comforting darkness !!

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quote Originally posted by ryan.hess: If there were a list of names next to it, I'd agree with you. You can't shoot a state...

I don't think they meant to kill those states by shooting them; they meant to kill those states by taking them over and making them more like the dead states marked in blue there !

quote Originally posted by D B Cooper: I don't think they meant to kill those states by shooting them; they meant to kill those states by taking them over and making them more like the dead states marked in blue there !

Both sides of the latest election process used similar maps with target crosshairs or some other icon to show where they wanted to focus their efforts. Unfortunately, the press only wants to present Sarah Palin's. Like she represents all Conservatives. Like her map marked the spot for weapons of mass destruction. Just goes to show the bias of our media.

Ron

quote Originally posted by blackrams: Both sides of the latest election process used similar maps with target crosshairs or some other icon to show where they wanted to focus their efforts. Unfortunately, the press only wants to present Sarah Palin's. Like she represents all Conservatives. Like her map marked the spot for weapons of mass destruction. Just goes to show the bias of our media. Ron

It is the liberal press who diverted attention from the victims of this tragedy in the beginning. Just more of the fair and unbalanced attitude of the left.
From Micahael Berry's blog:

Looks like there might be some good news. A quick law was passed in AZ and Wichita's neighbors from Topeka won't be able to protest the funerals of the people who were killed.

quote Originally posted by Tigger: Looks like there might be some good news. A quick law was passed in AZ and Wichita's neighbors from Topeka won't be able to protest the funerals of the people who were killed.

Good.

quote Originally posted by Tigger: Looks like there might be some good news. A quick law was passed in AZ and Wichita's neighbors from Topeka won't be able to protest the funerals of the people who were killed.

I heard the bill only makes them stay a certain distance from any of the going ons related to the funeral.
When one of those idiots dies for what ever reason, thousands should show up to protest their funeral.

quote Originally posted by partfiero: I heard the bill only makes them stay a certain distance from any of the going ons related to the funeral. When one of those idiots dies for what ever reason, thousands should show up to protest their funeral.

Honest question, not trying to flame or anything, but do you really think decent people should stoop to that disgusting level? What would that accomplish?

quote Originally posted by Doug85GT: After the Ft. Hood murders, the press was quick to say not to jump to any conclusions even though the attacker was clearly Muslim and yelling, "Allāhu Akbar" while he was killing soldiers. At the Times Square bombing, the leftist press and a number of politicians and leftist commentaters were quick to say that it was probably done by a Tea Party member or other angry right winger. It wasn't. Then there was the IRS plane attack which the media and leftists quickly blamed on the right which also turned out to be wrong. There was also the Pentagon Shooter who was mentally ill and in no way related to any "right wing" movement. Yet the leftists were quick to say he was an anti-government right winger. So the leftists are 0-4 in just that small slice of recent history.

Doug,

I am always appreciative of your posts. You educate all of us who WANT to learn! Unfortunately, after this whole dreadful incident happened, only the liberals tried to make manufacture a tea party member, anti-gun, Republican violence(?) spin. I knew this whole frightful discussion was inevitable, AFTER the liberals started it with THEIR diatribe. The Republicans only answered an accusation by the leftists.

Cordially,
Kevin

p.s. I am astonished the liberals did not blame President Bush on this shooting

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quote Originally posted by 1988holleyformula: Honest question, not trying to flame or anything, but do you really think decent people should stoop to that disgusting level? What would that accomplish?

Yes because sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. As sh1tty as it seems and sounds there are truths you cannot get away from. the only way to stop the phelps clan is to put them in a grave. they life for this the are preying on the emotions of people. the emotions that cause men to snap and get violent.

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Well, according to Bill Maher, the shooter was inspired by not only Sarah Palin, but also Glen Beck. According to Maher, the right is violent group and will do anything, including assassinations, to achieve their political goals, while the left are much more civilized and prefer peaceful debate. What an utter load of horseshit to those with any common sense. Truth to anyone inflicted with leftism.

In the meantime, our state sponsred leftist bullshit spin machine also known as CBC is calling on Sarah Palin to formally apologize to the jewish community for insulting them when using the term "blood libel" to catogorize the libel the left has slung against her. Funny how these left-tards can turn a blind eye to the continual stream of anti-semetic / anti- Israel rheoteric coming from our left leaning parties, but when someone defames a right leaning politician and they use a such a politcally loaded term they wrap themselves in the "Zionist" flag. What a bunch of hypocratic wankers. The works.

quote Originally posted by loafer87gt: In the meantime, our state sponsred leftist bullshit spin machine also known as CBC is calling on Sarah Palin to formally apologize to the jewish community for insulting them when using the term "blood libel" to catogorize the libel the left has slung against her. Funny how these left-tards can turn a blind eye to the continual stream of anti-semetic / anti- Israel rheoteric coming from our left leaning parties, but when someone defames a right leaning politician and they use a such a politcally loaded term they wrap themselves in the "Zionist" flag. What a bunch of hypocratic wankers. The works.

That's because they have no moral compass. The ends justify the means, so anything goes. There is no lie too big, no statement too false, no insult to low...everything goes. They're sick and twisted. These goddamn bastards have been lying NONSTOP since before any details about even WHO did the shooting in Arizona. They just went right to their narrative and repeated it over and over. Disgusting.

Any and all politicals aside... did anyone else notice he's got his finger on the trigger and its pointed right at his foot? As humourous as that is its pretty damning for whichever side he's trying to support, pro gun should know to keep your finger index'd and anti gun would just show that he doesnt even know how to safely hold a gun.

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.The democrats rants are aimed at independents & the democratic base,the base?? ,these people are stupid beyond beleave,, there news comes from T.V. and F.M. Radio,s liberal music stations.,THESE shootings are a godsent to the left wingers and they will make the most of it,they prayed to there devil for this incident ..
..I use to do political surveys,for NOVO1, the average libs in California were fairly intelligent to really smart,but in many rural areas of the country ,especially in the east ,,50% of the democrats are extremely hard core & stupid,many probably can not write .They beleave the hate spewed forth ,There is a percentage of independent moderates who are effected because they are influenced by what they see on T.V.
..With out the stupid,& handout lovers ,the dems would never win another election,(they are very aware of this),its why they want the illegal vote so bad,the less you know ,, the more likely you will be a democrat..
..There is a big difference when you survey registered republicans ,they are informed & articulate & seldom rant,,THEY NEED TO GET THIER RANT ON !! Get it up !!

..The presidents poll ratings will go up now,,.he catered to public opinion.. the damage to Palin,,the visionary Glen Beck and others was done, and done well by the media..He just stepped over the bodies, OBAMA,s best work last night,very Presidential,completely phoney but a 5 ***** performance ..

quote Originally posted by 86GT3.4DOHC: Any and all politicals aside... did anyone else notice he's got his finger on the trigger and its pointed right at his foot? As humourous as that is its pretty damning for whichever side he's trying to support, pro gun should know to keep your finger index'd and anti gun would just show that he doesnt even know how to safely hold a gun.

That was supposed to be a "secret agent" pose. He has all sorts of goofy pictures of himself on his site, including the one where he's dressed up like an American colonial with a goofy expression.

If the only case they can make against Glenn is that there is a picture of him on his site holding a gun, then they have no case. I've watched his TV show for two years, and catch his radio show frequently. He has NEVER advocated shooting people or violence in any way. If you can prove otherwise, present your evidence.

..Becks finger is not on the trigger, the angle of the barrel would place the bullet far forward of his toe,, the pistol up position is favored now.you are less likely to shoot your companions with this pose .The position Beck has,I used this position often ,as did many other spec op ,military & police ,,Beck is a great Blatherer,Im sure Beck is not a fire arms expert ,,
I was a tactics and weapons instructor in the Marines, at the infantry training regiment

..GLEN BECK IS THE FAVORED TARGET OF THE LEFT.THE LEFT MEDIA HAS INFLAMED THE MENTALLY DERANGED TO GET HIM

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lol - this in no way compares to some other nutjob who used the 9/11 as an excuse to invade Iraq.
yes, I find those who twist tragedy into gold to be distasteful. but, none will EVER compare to the 9/11 profiteers.
especially with the idea that there was potentially warning, and maybe even some fingers in the pie for 9/11
these weak accusations pale in comparison
if that is the road you wanna travel......

enjoy your hate.....

quote Originally posted by uhlanstan: ..GLEN BECK IS THE FAVORED TARGET OF THE LEFT.THE LEFT MEDIA HAS INFLAMED THE MENTALLY DERANGED TO GET HIM

The left is also butthurt over the severe ass kicking they got in November. They're desperate, they're trying every dirty trick in the book, and...it's not working. hahahaha.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: The left is also butthurt over the severe ass kicking they got in November. They're desperate, they're trying every dirty trick in the book, and...it's not working. hahahaha.

Never underestimate how dangerous a wounded animal can be.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Never underestimate how dangerous a wounded animal can be.

Well, I could say something like "don't leave 'em wounded, do a kill shot", but we'd never hear the end of it.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Well, I could say something like "don't leave 'em wounded, do a kill shot", but we'd never hear the end of it.

You DID say....and if O/T history is any indication, will likely be applauded for it.

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If everyone ever pictured with a weapon was assailed as a dangerous threat, few of us would be exempt.

quote Report: It Going To Take Way More Than An Inconceivable Act Of Violence For Country To Rise Above PoliticsJanuary 13, 2011 ISSUE 47•02 09.13.00 WASHINGTON—Sources struggling to make sense of the shooting rampage in Tucson confirmed Wednesday that it would take much more than brutally gunning down a congresswoman, a federal judge, a 9-year-old girl, and 17 others for the nation to rise above its current corrosive state of politics. "This was obviously a horrific tragedy, but nowhere near the unspeakable manifestation of evil it would take for politicians and pundits to act like decent human beings," said analyst Grant Ames, adding that this event would have been ripe for disgusting political opportunism even if 30 or 40 people had been killed. "Perhaps if some senators were kidnapped and buried alive as they screamed for mercy we might be able to rise above politics. But they'd probably have to be decapitated, on live television, for it to make any lasting difference. Then again, it still might not." Ames told reporters he couldn't rule out the possibility that no matter what happens, they will all just continue to act like complete assholes.

And I thought The Onion only published fake stories.

quote Originally posted by 1988holleyformula: And I thought The Onion only published fake stories.

Gotta admit....there's a grain of truth in the very last sentence.

After a congressional resolution condemning this shooting, Pelosi calls the shootings a tragic accident.
Say what?

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quote Originally posted by partfiero: After a congressional resolution condemning this shooting, Pelosi call the shootings a tragic accident. Say what?

Pelosi is an idiot.
Nothing she says should ever come as a surprise.