Originally posted by AJ7: If anyone wants to see some better pics then I'll send them, but I'm not posting anymore to avoid all of this crap in my thread again.
...you know what, send me good proper pictures that shows something (not a bunch of wood rotating that can easily be simulated) - if what I see looks decent, I will recant everything I have said, but until then I stand behind my comments. Should not be hard to do since you have a 'working prototype' or sorts.
There, see I am NOT afraid to put this in a post - just waiting on you...some how I won't be surprise if I don't get any good pictures for whatever reason (as my previous request was)...
BTW: you can either PM them to me, or use my email as shown in the profile.
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Saxman Member
Posts: 5151 From: Melbourne, FL Registered: May 2005
Originally posted by LeviM: Well just keep working, but if I were you I wouldn't make any more promises (dates and whatnot). If you are really working hard on a product that I may be interested in than I'm happy; if you, for whatever reason don't make anything, than oh well. I'll just be glad I didn't get my hopes up too high. I still don't see why people are giving you so much crap. If you don't like the way he is working, than ignore it. Don't bring him down.
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Originally posted by fieropimp: I agree. If your just gonna talk bad about it go make a thread in the "the trash can" and let him have this thread to post any progress. I think that it's cool that he is at least attempting to make something for the fiero and is willing to sell it to everyone (which is more than I can say for alot of people myself including). good luck and I hope to see these baby's working soon.
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I'm watching this one (obviously) and if I doesn't work, nothing has been lost. The real boring part of this thread is the slammers bringing it down, then AJ defending himself.
I'm all for constructive criticism, but the truly negative comments will keep anyone else from posting their ideas on Pennocks - on any subject. For instance, "middle school." Comments like that are only meant to insult someone.
Take your time, AJ. You have many here that are waiting for the goods. Most have not even commented. They are the wise ones.
i for one love to see what people can do and come up with. im not 100% sure why i come down so hard on AJ. the bigest problem i have is he is trying to sell this. someone might be coned and buy it and get screwed. why is he looking to test this on some ones car? why not his own car. he is looking for a pawn and thats where i take issue. if he had a idea of mounting wings on his car and trying to fly i would say GO FOR IT. but try to sell it to some one else and its a different stories
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jscott1 Member
Posts: 21676 From: Houston, TX , USA Registered: Dec 2001
You cant be that stupid. how are you, from what i can tell at best has a high school education going to take in account the forces at play in this? untill a few days ago you didnt even know what the fiero door weight was!!! there are so many factor's to take in account. have you ever thought about cross force of a 20mpg wind while the door is extended? whats the power consumption of this unit? what happens if your in the car and the batteries dies is there a manual way out? there are skilled mechanical engineers that would still test this design even after it was ran in a computer simulator that calculates stress and other factors. from what i can tell you little to know fabrication skills ,zero mechanical engineering knowledge. I asked you one and im going to ask you again what makes YOU think you are up to this task?
Not to sound harsh, but if you are going to question someone’s intelligence and education you may want to proof read your post before submitting it.
"Better to let people think you a fool then to open your mouth and prove them right"
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Mickey_Moose Member
Posts: 7568 From: Edmonton, AB, Canada Registered: May 2001
Well, just as I thought - he said he would send good pictures to those that requested, well I asked for the pictures (2 methods of contact) and still no pictures - seemed to ignore my above post. Can't be the lack of time, since he does have the time to post.
To the nay sayer's - all my build threads have shown some sort of tangable pictures. If he was just building them, fine - but he is trying to sell them and I want to see what I will get for my money - is that too much to ask?
Anyways, this is the last I have to say on the topic till he fills my request about the pictures - till then, he tool around all he wants. Until then I can't yet recant any of my posts and call myself an ass - all I am asking for is some simple good pictures of the progress (which has been stated he would do) and not the lame ones that where posted. Those can be made any number of ways as they show nothing - I could make a rig that does exactly what the pictures show in less than 1/2 hour and not be anything close to an actual door hinge.
Well, just as I thought - he said he would send good pictures to those that requested, well I asked for the pictures (2 methods of contact) and still no pictures - seemed to ignore my above post. Can't be the lack of time, since he does have the time to post.
To the nay sayer's - all my build threads have shown some sort of tangable pictures. If he was just building them, fine - but he is trying to sell them and I want to see what I will get for my money - is that too much to ask?
Anyways, this is the last I have to say on the topic till he fills my request about the pictures - till then, he tool around all he wants. Until then I can't yet recant any of my posts and call myself an ass - all I am asking for is some simple good pictures of the progress (which has been stated he would do) and not the lame ones that where posted. Those can be made any number of ways as they show nothing - I could make a rig that does exactly what the pictures show in less than 1/2 hour and not be anything close to an actual door hinge.
I started ignoring your posts.
anyway, If I did send you the better pics, they will not be of the hinge itself, so you will still say it's not real. I'll be able to post pics of the kit by the end of the month.
Not to sound harsh, but if you are going to question someone’s intelligence and education you may want to proof read your post before submitting it.
"Better to let people think you a fool then to open your mouth and prove them right"
Follow me around for a few post and you will see way worse. That said im not offering my services as a proof reader. so by your logic if you take your car to get worked on you have a spelling bee before you decide who get to work on your car. Look at the post made by creator if you went by that know one would have ever guest that he had the talent that he does. But when he posted pics of his work it didn't look like scrap wood clamped to more scrap wood. my guess is Aj is no more then 20yrs old he has high hopes and dreams, and thats great. But he does not have the needed background for this project. he is looking looking for some one to pay for the R&D for something he wants to make money off of. why will he not answer how old he is? I asked him to give some reasons he feels qualified to do this type of work. he does not respond . He stats that he has 3 engineers working on this I call BS but i cant prove it. Ok fierotz put your money where your mouth is and send him a check. if he can make this work at the price he is stating, then Hell i will buy one. I will state that again if he makes this work for the price he posted i will buy. AJ does not sound like a bad person but i feel he is in over his head.
I'm 18 almost 19. most likely there will be more said about that...
btw, I got done with highschool at 16. My IQ is 138+, I'm not an ordinary 18 year old. lol
I've been working at this stuff for over a year, I'm not in over my head, Ask me any question that has to do with what I'm doing and I can answer it. I already have someone lined up to buy the first kit and help me out at half price. I have to get it made over the next few days. hopefully within 2 weeks you will see pics of it on a fiero. I'm not sure when he plans to put them on, but from past experiences he usually gets things done pretty fast. I'll try to get pics and video from him when it is installed.
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I totally redid what I wrote as the first version came across as mean, and a lot of this thread I do fing amusing, But you (to put it nicely) tend to make things up. Kinda like a kid trying to fool grownups by pretending to have knowledge of things that only come with experience, everyone knows it is a joke except the child.
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SAFASTRO Member
Posts: 604 From: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Registered: Nov 2006
Hey AJ7....I've got a question about your design. Will your hinge work like the Koenigsegg hinge and open in one motion (out and up), or will it be more like the vertical hinge Chris is working on , where it opens out then up? I think if it goes out, then up....the door will have to move straight out first......does that make sense?? If I had my scanner home this weekend, I would draw what I mean. Maybe on tuesday when I'm back in my office.
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jscott1 Member
Posts: 21676 From: Houston, TX , USA Registered: Dec 2001
I really want to see you succesfull, but unless we see some convincing pictures, it appears that you are either in above your head or you are just being way too optimistic.
By the way, did they teach english at that high school of yours? I believe a proper sentence would have read, "I completed highschool at 16"
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Fierotaz Member
Posts: 1289 From: Glendale, AZ Registered: Mar 2004
Ok fierotz put your money where your mouth is and send him a check.
I would rather put my money where my car is, and I have. Archie is finishing up the Suicide doors on my car now. My curiosity about this thread is for another project I am contemplating.
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Originally posted by chrisgtp: Follow me around for a few post and you will see way worse. That said im not offering my services as a proof reader. so by your logic if you take your car to get worked on you have a spelling bee before you decide who get to work on your car.
I don't know him and I don't know you, I was just commenting on the fact you were questioning his intelligence but you were missing words, using wrong words and misspelling many words. I prefer people with talent when choosing someone to work on my car.
I really want to see you succesfull, but unless we see some convincing pictures, it appears that you are either in above your head or you are just being way too optimistic.
By the way, did they teach english at that high school of yours? I believe a proper sentence would have read, "I completed highschool at 16"
I know what the proper way is. But, notice.. I am from Kansas... lol! All my friends talk like that. So, I tend to talk like that too alot of the time.
SAFASTRO, they move straight out, and up just a little, then they move vertical at a pre-set point (it is adjustable) This is why in the picture it just looks like it is being moved vertical... I didnt get any pics from the side. I had it set so it would move out about 4" then open vertical.
There is a forum member with cash-in-hand that lives about 2 hrs away, He'll come get the first kit and test it for me, If anything needs changed, I'll take them back and make the change/s (or he will). When it is on and working correctly, He will get pics and hopefully some video of it. If everything works like it is intended to, I will start making more.
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jstricker Member
Posts: 12956 From: Russell, KS USA Registered: Apr 2002
I know what the proper way is. But, notice.. I am from Kansas... lol! All my friends talk like that. So, I tend to talk like that too alot of the time.
I'm from KS, I don't talk like that. The only people I know that talk like that are the ones that barely graduated high school. Just an observation, you make a lot of excuses. I hope you actually do build something, but when things don't get done it's always someone else's fault (they didn't show up or moved) or because of where you are (you live in the sticks) or you know how to write a proper sentence but don't because "you're from KS and that's how people talk".
Time to take some responsibility for yourself and quit blaming others.
I'm from KS, I don't talk like that. The only people I know that talk like that are the ones that barely graduated high school. Just an observation, you make a lot of excuses. I hope you actually do build something, but when things don't get done it's always someone else's fault (they didn't show up or moved) or because of where you are (you live in the sticks) or you know how to write a proper sentence but don't because "you're from KS and that's how people talk".
Time to take some responsibility for yourself and quit blaming others.
John Stricker
Maybe It's just the area? And remember my age.. my friends are around the same age. Some older friends I have talk a little better, but most dont.. people that talk correctly all the time start to annoy me, I find it easier to talk to people who dont. That is my reasoning for it..
I'm 18 almost 19. most likely there will be more said about that...
there are some 18-19 year olds out there that could handle this ones that grew up in a shop learning from the father's (uncles mother's brothers or whom ever) that being said i asked you a few times now what makes you think YOU can pull this off.
also just for reference when you posted about the lambo doors in 2005 you where 16 right
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toddshotrods Member
Posts: 1177 From: Columbus, OH, USA Registered: Aug 2004
I tuned out for while, because I didn't want to just come here to bash you. Even though clamped, swinging, boards is not a very good way to substantiate your claims, you did actually finally post something. You also posted some rudimentary drawings in the other thread that at least show that you have a clue about what you are talking about. You have to forgive us for being skeptical, if you are sincere, but this is the internet where people play stupid games and waste other people's time religiously. I was trying to help you realize that you are using horrible methods to establish yourself. If you are 100% legit, you come of as a prankster at the least - con man at the worse. That is not meant to be derogatory, it is meant to bring public perception of your venture to your awareness. Developing a great production is an important part of a business (maybe the most important), but it goes nowhere without great marketing. Get a couple books on marketing and sales.
I still think you're wasting your time with secrecy. I guarantee you that even with a registered patent, the person who would go through the trouble of trying to steal your design would be equally adept at making enough minor changes to walk right around your very expensive government stamp. If he is better at marketing than you are, and has a good product with good customer service, he can pass right by you as if you never existed. Big companies do it all the time. Then they buy out the poor sap they ruined, for pennies on the dollar. Your time, money, and brain power, is better spent convincing people that your product is the best and they need to get it from you!
Take a lesson from an established, very successful, Fiero vendor who sells V8 kits, body parts and kits, etc. To my knowledge, he doesn' t have patents on some of his most valuable products. He even actually shows people EXACTLY how he does some things here on this forum! Actually a lot of unscrupulous types have tried to actually copy his products and failed, even having solid designs to copy. Why? Because he supports his product with the other aspects. Challengers come and go, but he remains. People believe in him and his product, and they go to him and recommend him. That's what you should be trying to build. Even if someone steals your idea (and if it's a good one someone will - patent or not) people should still want to buy from Aaron because he has the best supporting services.
About the hinges... How far can the hinge extend? I understand you chose four inches for testing. Try taking some new pics that show a shadow or something to verify to people that the hinge actually extends laterally. Remember that lateral extension is the most important part of this design. Without it there is no "Koenigsegg for your car"; so make people understand that you have it covered. I am asking about it because you said this would be universal. Some cars would need a lot of lateral extension, to clear thick doors and curved bodies. Also, does the mounting "footprint" of the hinge change with the amount of lateral extension needed?
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About the hinges... How far can the hinge extend? I understand you chose four inches for testing. Try taking some new pics that show a shadow or something to verify to people that the hinge actually extends laterally. Remember that lateral extension is the most important part of this design. Without it there is no "Koenigsegg for your car"; so make people understand that you have it covered. I am asking about it because you said this would be universal. Some cars would need a lot of lateral extension, to clear thick doors and curved bodies. Also, does the mounting "footprint" of the hinge change with the amount of lateral extension needed?
It depends on how much room there is from the top of the door to the bottom. It should be able to work with about any car if it will clear the fender. (alot arent curved like on the fiero..) The current one will be able to extend about 10", but will also be about 6" higher when extended fully (it will still be in the right place to get the koenigsegg look). This is enough even for the Fino bodied cars. any more and it will need some peices replaced for more extension.. I will have to make different variations for different vehicles.
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Apr 23rd, 2007
jstricker Member
Posts: 12956 From: Russell, KS USA Registered: Apr 2002
Just a bump, I'd hate to lose this thread before the end of the month when it was promised to be on a car.
John Stricker
Well, I'm pretty sure It wont be this weekend, most likely next weekend, but it depends on if the guy that is getting the kit will be able to get it on the car that soon. Still have one thing left to do on the kit and it will be done though.
Whew...that was an exhausting read...all 7 pages of it.
I too am seriously interested in seeing a working prototype.
I looked over the actual Koenigsegg hinge pics,and can see that countless CAD hours went into that design. I also have some similar ideas that I'm working on(only in my brain at the moment).I'm thinking something motorized with a gear system could be possible...but I'd have to do extensive measuring first.Clearance would be the main issue. There's no way I would consider designing/building something without a car(or even a partial chassis section) to test on.
I've done this style of hinge on a 1:18 diecast car,but the design I used would never work on a 1:1.
My advice to AJ7 would be to refrain from posting anything else at all...until you can post a pic of a working prototype ON AN ACTUAL CAR. They say a picture is worth a thousand words.Think of how much less typing would be needed with just one or 2 GOOD pics.
Don't take this as a slam of any sort.I wish you the best of luck in your quest. I just see that judging by the previous 7 pages of posts...your credibility has taken quite a hit. A simple..."I'm trying to design this hinge...is there any interest in this sort of thing"?...followed by..."I'll post some pics when I have something to show."...would have been much more professional. All of the "Snake Oil" and "Miracle Mystery Hinge" posts...along with the broken promises of progress pics...have done more damage than good. Sometimes...less is more.
Originally posted by dcfox: My advice to AJ7 would be to refrain from posting anything else at all...until you can post a pic of a working prototype ON AN ACTUAL CAR. They say a picture is worth a thousand words.Think of how much less typing would be needed with just one or 2 GOOD pics.
eh, yeah.. if I could delete this thread I would, all I really wanted from it was to see if there was enough intrest here. then it just got bad from there...
wish everyone would just let it die. I'll start a new one when I have something.
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I'm asking for money? please tell me where I said that.. people asked for a price so I gave it, that is all... already have one person to buy the first kit, if that one doesnt work out there is someone else. first one will be sold and put on a fiero this month. If I make anymore deadlines, I'm keeping them. oh, and why do you say they need to be tested for 6 months? If they wear too much being used the way they are supposed to, I'll replace those parts.. the only reason they would need to be tested is if I didnt know how it was going to wear.. there are ways to figure out what you need to do before testing it. and like I said.. if anything goes wrong with any of the parts, I'll send those parts for free..(within a time frame) ofcourse they will wear, but these arent really for a daily driver, they are for a toy/show car. They should last a long time. There will be a warrenty on them as soon as they are available to you.
I've been following this thread here and there and was wondering if this was ever put on a car yet as you posted above. It is well into April now. I'm assuming that the answer is no as we haven't seen any pictures of it yet. I really feel that if you don't want people to give you grief then don't post anything else until you have something more than some 2X4's held together by C clamps. Sorry but the pictures you posted were totally useless and only hurt your cause rather than help it.
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PLEAS LET THIS POST DIE ITS A WASTE OF TIE FOR WHOM EVER STARTS AT PAGE 1. THERE IS ANOTHER THREAD STARTED AND THE PARTIES THAT PLAN TO MAKE THIS PROMISED NOT TO POST UNTIL THEY GET SOME GOOD PICS TO POST.
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Dec 17th, 2007
CTFieroGT87 Member
Posts: 2520 From: Royal Oak, MI Registered: Oct 2002
... I thought it was odd that I stumble across this thread EXACTLY one year after the last post... and it's not archived? so, um, free bump I guess... Any progress?
haha fieroboom don't hold your breath, I'm sure you would have heard about it by now if there was any. I just skimmed over most of this and man this guy is a piece of work. I can invision him working in the sales deparmtent of a machine shop in his future. "Yes sir, your part is being cut right now and we should have it done by early tomorrow." A month later it still sits rusting on a pallet...
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