Thats what people dont seem to get still, these are NOT for the fiero. it will be a universal kit that I will eventually turn into a bolt-on kit for as many cars as I can.

I do still need to call one person that is close that has a fiero, but I dont know if he wants these or not..

I'm not asking for any money without having a product. why does that keep coming up?

I'll post again if someone is interested or when I have pics. Not posting to posts like these past couple anymore. I dont want my thread to get any worse with that crap.

quote Originally posted by AJ7: I'm looking for someone to buy the first kit and make sure it works like it should, rather than just my testing. Then if anything is wrong with the kit or needs changed, I'll fix that kit and then make more for other people. That way I dont chance having people mad at me because something doesnt fit right or didnt work how they expected, you will know from whoever gets the kit first. And I will make sure everything is right before making a quantity of them. With me doing this, wouldnt you feel better about buying a kit from me if someone else says its a good kit that has it on their car? If your interested contact me and we'll work something out.

...ok, so you want me to 'buy' the kit from you, take the time to put it on my car to test them, let you know of any problems with the product so you can improve them.

Ok, so what is in it for me, seems to me that I would be helping you with R&D - do I get a discount, or even how about a replacement set of hinges that have the modifcations done for free? What about my time spent installing these and finding flaws? Guess I would have to work for free, while you make a profit selling a working product that I would have helped test (if they even exist).

Rodney always releases prototypes products that he want people to test for him are either sold at cost to produce or given out for free - all he asks for is feedback.

quote Originally posted by AJ7: I'm not asking for any money without having a product. why does that keep coming up?

It keeps coming up because you have yet to offer any 'real' proof such as pictures. Just because you say it is, does not mean that it is. Oh, but I keep forgetting that these are very 'top secret' waiting for a patent - the term 'Patent Pending' seems to be fine for every other company except for you, lots of products are out there for people to buy right now stating 'Patent Pending' on the product.

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I've been watching this thread just because I was interested in how it might turn out. I can't imagine that someone is going to want to offer up their car, pay for the product and then have something that may not even work. Not to mention, how can you afford to build a product like whats in the pictures in this thread and not find a fiero somewhere for $500 to test them on? And why would someone want to be the test bed for a product where they have to weld on/modify their car in who knows what way for something not proven?

quote Originally posted by AJ7: Not yet, still cant afford one. Otherwise I'd put the first set on there.

You have got to be kidding me.

quote Originally posted by Mickey_Moose: It keeps coming up because you have yet to offer any 'real' proof such as pictures. Just because you say it is, does not mean that it is. Oh, but I keep forgetting that these are very 'top secret' waiting for a patent - the term 'Patent Pending' seems to be fine for every other company except for you, lots of products are out there for people to buy right now stating 'Patent Pending' on the product.

I had already said I would fix anything with the hinges IF they need changed or anything. I'm not saying they wont work or anything, Just want to make sure before I sell to everyone. and I also said (if you would read everything I've said before posting) that there would be a discount and I would make a deal with them, So... if your not intersted in them, please do not post. If you are interested say so, if you want the first kit let me know and we can make a deal.

I did find one person that would take the first kit, but has to wait until the end of april before he can afford it. I still would like to find someone who could get it before then to keep everyone from waiting so long.

Again, pics this weekend. I have everything I need right now, just have to put it all together and test it out. I guess I could take pics of a few parts to show I'm doing something but I'm sure someone would come up and say its just peices and I didnt do anything. How bout you just wait and see? its only a couple days..

my advise to you if your relay tried to sell something is go over to your buddies house and hook him up give him the first set take a crap load of pictures and post on here. if you can relay make what you say for the amount your talking about they will sell. if your going to make it in business your going to have to take a risk and spend some of your own money. look at Archie he is making a wide body kit that he is only going to sell a few kits for and he is putting his own $$$ up to do it. this is what you do take all your tech drawings, and pictures of you hinges put them in an envelope and send them certified male to your self then don't open it. that way if there is a Paton dispute you have the judge open the envelope.

You have been posting about hinges for lambo doors ext. since 10 27 2005 I don't think it's ever going to happen. my two cents worth.

quote Originally posted by Plastic Man: You have been posting about hinges for lambo doors ext. since 10 27 2005 I don't think it's ever going to happen. my two cents worth.

you still going to say that in a couple weeks after I have a product?

looking at your post counts you have 1379 post in a fourm about fieros and you dont own one.thats alot of hot air. are you lonely?

quote Originally posted by AJ7: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Plastic Man: You have been posting about hinges for lambo doors ext. since 10 27 2005 I don't think it's ever going to happen. my two cents worth.

you still going to say that in a couple weeks after I have a product?
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This is ridiculous. Noone has seen anything in a year and a half. Stop wasting our time. I'll never send you a penny, and I believe anyone who does, is a fool. I know, I know, in a couple of weeks, i'll be sad cause I won't be able to purchase these golden cows from you and Ill have to stay at home and cry. you're an idiot, go away.

I had to edit this, say what you will, I refuse to ever look at this thread, or any other you post, again.

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I offered you one of my parts chassis for free if you'd just come and get it. I'm about 4 hours from you. Then you wanted me to deliver it and I was still supposed to buy a set of hinges (at a discount). That's not going to happen. The chassis is still here for you to come and get, if you want it, but I'm not going to deliver it and if I give you a chassis to prototype on I exect a working set of hinges in return. It really is that simple.

John Stricker

quote Originally posted by AJ7: Not yet, still cant afford one. Otherwise I'd put the first set on there.

quote Originally posted by chrisgtp: looking at your post counts you have 1379 post in a fourm about fieros and you dont own one.thats alot of hot air. are you lonely?

Now that's funny right there...

I think AJ may need to just lay low for a bit to keep the nay-sayers at bay. It seems the more he posts, the worse the doubters gets.

Me (and possibly others)? I'm just glad someone is doing something like this. If it takes 2 years to create, then that's fine. If a better one comes along in the meantime, wahoo! If not, it's a dayum good thing he started on this when he did so we have something that may work by the end of 2007.

If it never works out, not much was lost. And if you think your time posting in this thread is worth something, then you are in the wrong place. Go type for Microsoft or someone who pays a little better than Pennocks.

The more you badmouth the guy, the less likely he is to stick with it/us. I vote that we all sit back and watch. Why not - it could turn out pretty darn good for us.

-Saxman out-

i dont feel like its a waste of my time to post here or i would stop.

Look aj7 sounds like an ok guy i dont think he is trying to scam any one.i wish him luck.

ok aj let me help you out.

who are you whats your real name?

what do you do for a living?

why do you think you have the skills to pull this project off?

you say it a unaversal kit what do you drive and why dose it not have these doors?

quote Originally posted by jstricker: I offered you one of my parts chassis for free if you'd just come and get it. I'm about 4 hours from you. Then you wanted me to deliver it and I was still supposed to buy a set of hinges (at a discount). That's not going to happen. The chassis is still here for you to come and get, if you want it, but I'm not going to deliver it and if I give you a chassis to prototype on I exect a working set of hinges in return. It really is that simple. John Stricker

I have no way to get it here and no where to put it. also, these are worth alot more than a chassis.

as for the posts, I post in O/T alot... I like the people here, well.. most of them.

oh and wingless, I would hope people like you to stay away from any of my threads, that would be so nice.. then maybe they wouldnt get drawn out into so many pages.

oh, and I have tried to lay low a bit, but am I not supposed to reply to people who ask questions? some of you people I really do not get why you even bother to post in my threads.

I'll have the prototype done and testing this weekend, I will take pics of what I can and post them.

anyone that can buy the first set sooner than the end of april, let me know.. (and remember, I said I will give you a good deal)

I will not reply to any more posts that arent more positive posts asking about the hinges.

I have tried to keep my mouth shut but...

How can you produce a working prototype with out a test mule?

How are you determining dimensions, mounting points, clearances, pivot locations, etc, etc? Pictures don't cut it because of the the distorted perspective and size relationships.

I agree with the others in saying that you are downloading the problem solving to the first purchaser and I don't think that you know the first thing about design and manufacturing. What happens if your "prototype" does not bolt up and work correctly? Where are you going to get the funds to fix the first one from? The second purchaser? I highly doubt that these hinges will spring forth from your imagination and be even close to working.

Pictures of parts and assembled hinges prove nothing and amount to snake oil. A "working" prototype MUST be mounted and fully operational on a car not on a bench or in a cardboard box.

I don't mean to pick on you, but really give it a rest. Show everyone a working and mounted unit before you ask for money or make these outrageous, bordering on fantastical, claims. Until then you are just wasting everyone's time. As I said previously, no one in their right mind will pay you the money up front. If they do, you might even get them to fund your perpetual motion machine too!

O.K. End of rant. I feel much better now

Nolan

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quote Originally posted by AJ7: I have no way to get it here and no where to put it. also, these are worth alot more than a chassis.

Whatever, Aaron.

First you said you had a trailer and you and your dad could come get it. You offered me a set of hinges in exchange. You even asked if I wanted them in steel or titanium. Then you couldn't get a trailer. Then you couldn't afford the gas so I should bring it. Then I wasn't getting a set of hinges in exchange. I know whereabouts you live and there are several very competent machine shops in Colby and Goodland, just to name two towns. Colby is 30 minutes from you. There's a shop in Salina that you can send autocad files and they will laser cut or water jet whatever you send them and mail them back to you in a couple of days, you don't have to drive anywhere. You're about 4 1/2 hours from Denver, for crying out loud. The excuse of you "living in the sticks" doesn't fly. I live in the sticks and I can get made whatever I need.

The first PM where you asked about the chassis was 11/01/2005. That was over 500 days ago. If you had set aside $2/day you could have $1,000 to spend on machine work and such. I applaud your dreams and desires but dreams and desires without action are wasted.

I simply got tired of things changing with every email/pm. I wish you the best with the project, I really do. I was interested. Still may be if I ever see you actually build anything, but I'm certainly not going to hold my breath.

John Stricker

Here is the prototype

Well jeez I had my hopes up when I saw the title of the thread, but it's pretty clear this is never happening and if it does it's never functioning.

Good idea by someone who obviously is living in a pipe dream and in way over their head.

Good luck, I hope I'm wrong and would consider a set if and when they become a reality and not someones vision.

quote Originally posted by InTheLead: Well jeez I had my hopes up when I saw the title of the thread, but it's pretty clear this is never happening and if it does it's never functioning. Good idea by someone who obviously is living in a pipe dream and in way over their head. Good luck, I hope I'm wrong and would consider a set if and when they become a reality and not someones vision.

yep, pretty clear its never happening, now that I'm finally getting them out people start saying this, how stupid is that?


pics this weekend. I'll post tonight after I make sure what day.

and no, it wont be on a car YET, but I will test it on a car before the first one is sold, then they can tell everyone else that it works, that way its not me saying it, its a customer.

quote Originally posted by AJ7: ... , but I will test it on a car before the first one is sold, then they can tell everyone else that it works, that way its not me saying it, its a customer.

That is the way to do it. I have doubts on it being right the first time, but actually putting it on a car for testing and pictures is the only way to sell it.

BTW, jstricker offered up a pretty good deal in my opinion. A test mule would be better to test the hinges for fit and function. The chances of causing damage to a daily driver or show car is pretty good.

Best of luck to you

well, that fiero frame/chassis would be fine, but I have no place to put it, and before I had access to a trailor, but now my friend with the trailor moved.. I'm going to see if I can put them on a friends 3rd gen firebired (parts car) for testing. or find another car that is just sitting..

this is the same as the lambo hinges thread. empty promises. i think you're finding out that you cannot produce what you say, and that patents cost far more than you think. i just finished a patent not three months ago. i know. this thread and the lambo hinge thread are BS. you know it, and everyone here knows it.

....read that above post. always an excuse for not testing or showing anything. too funny. i'll bet if someone offered to bring a fiero to you, you'd have some BS excuse why they couldn't. maybe fieros are banned in your town? what is this "business" name of yours anyway? i'd really like to know.

hurry up with the 3rd gen firebird test fit. you know. before your "friend" moves and takes all availabe means with him too....

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quote Originally posted by shawnkfl: this is the same as the lambo hinges thread. empty promises. i think you're finding out that you cannot produce what you say, and that patents cost far more than you think. i just finished a patent not three months ago. i know. this thread and the lambo hinge thread are BS. you know it, and everyone here knows it. ....read that above post. always an excuse for not testing or showing anything. too funny. i'll bet if someone offered to bring a fiero to you, you'd have some BS excuse why they couldn't. maybe fieros are banned in your town? what is this "business" name of yours anyway? i'd really like to know.

If someone has one close that wants to bring it here for testing thats fine, I'm actually calling a forum member tonight about it. he lives about 2 hrs from here.. The fiero he has, I told him about because it was here, And I didnt have the money, but he got a good deal, it had like 34k on it..

Oh, and have you even read my posts? because from the looks of it, you read everyone elses posts that were just like yours.

quote Originally posted by AJ7: If someone has one close that wants to bring it here for testing thats fine, I'm actually calling a forum member tonight about it. he lives about 2 hrs from here.. The fiero he has, I told him about because it was here, And I didnt have the money, but he got a good deal, it had like 34k on it.. Oh, and have you even read my posts? because from the looks of it, you read everyone elses posts that were just like yours.

I wonder if your calling "jstricker" since he's close by (4hr), he offered to help and all his info is on the Internet....

quote Originally posted by FierociousGT: I wonder if your calling "jstricker" since he's close by (4hr), he offered to help and all his info is on the Internet....

nope, just got off the phone with the guy and he said he'll take them, and he trusts me, we've done a few deals already with other things. I'll let him pop in and post if he wants..

quote Originally posted by AJ7: ...if you want the first kit let me know and we can make a deal. Again, pics this weekend. I have everything I need right now, just have to put it all together and test it out. I guess I could take pics of a few parts to show I'm doing something but I'm sure someone would come up and say its just peices and I didnt do anything. How bout you just wait and see? its only a couple days..

...hey I can wait a couple of days to see - this has just be dragging on.

Tell you what, if you need a test bed - how about you send me a set, I will bolt them on my spare car, take pictures/video, tell you what is wrong (if anything), tell everyone else my opinion of them, and I will even take them back off and send them back to you for any modifications. But without having a proven working copy, you are going to have a tough time getting people to fork over the cash (especially for a product that is yet unseen). If you have someone, then that is good - and I will wait till Monday to see pictures posted (as long as no excuse comes up).

soooooo.....what is the business name again?

quote Originally posted by shawnkfl: soooooo.....what is the business name again?

didnt say I had a business did I? I'm starting one, and I've got a few names to choose from.. still havent decided.

I can't wait for the big show this weekend! I am really curious to see what he uses to prove to people that he has a design that will work on a Fiero. I don't currently own one either but I have been watching since this thread started because I was interested in them for my Camaro. I can actually make my own from scratch but figured why not pay the piper for a headstart.

In case that makes me sound like a Fiero novice - I have owned five over the past ten years... Other priorities made selling them a necessity - for the time-being. I am still on this forum because I like the people here. I am in this thread for the reason stated in the first paragraph.

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Well, It looks like pics will come Mon. Whenever my friend that is doing some welding for me gets off work. (He is getting a new welder Sun. night that he'll be using), shouldnt take more than 15 min. to do the welding, then I'll get some pics asap. Might be able to get them Sun. if I'm lucky..

and yes, I will post pics of it moving something like wood, metal..etc it will have 100lbs+ on it at the end (so it will have the most stress on it). I'll try to later get it on a car and working. (with pics ofcourse)

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Is it monday yet?

quote Originally posted by AJ7: Anyone else interested?

I Will Gladly Pay You Tuesday for a Hamburger.. ( Synchrodihedral(Koenigsegg) doors) Today. J/K

Make them, test them, show them, guarantee them (and have the cash to do so), then maybe..... I'll buy the 10th set.

quote Originally posted by troyboy: I Will Gladly Pay You Tuesday for a Hamburger.. ( Synchrodihedral(Koenigsegg) doors) Today. J/K Make them, test them, show them, guarantee them (and have the cash to do so), then maybe..... I'll buy the 10th set.

Sounds good, I'll post again tonight after I talk to the guy working on them. To let you know when I'll have pics for sure.

quote Originally posted by AJ7: nope, just got off the phone with the guy and he said he'll take them, and he trusts me, we've done a few deals already with other things. I'll let him pop in and post if he wants..

lol, that totally reminded me of Napoleon Dynamite "Ive got this really hot girlfriend in oklahoma, and she was totally gonna fly down here for the dance, but she was too busy modeling."

that wasnt meant to be a bandwagon thing i just thought it was funny.

Here is my non professional advice, this would be a terrific point to say

"Listen, I got super excited, put up a bunch of stuff I couldnt squeeze out in a week (or month or however long its been), BUT im making some progress. This is the last post I, AJ7, will make in this thread, but I shall start a new one as soon as Ive got some stuff to show yall! Sorry about getting everyone else excited, but its on the way! Go Fieros!

-AJ7"


just my reccomendation, all the time youre spending defneding yourself against potshots could better be spent working on said potential product?


-sam

lol best post in any of my threads ever!

But ofcourse, like usual, bad news. (yet another delay) The guy that is doing the work on the prototype still has to do the welding, and just moved in a new place, wont have 220 wired up until mon.-tues. so... going to be a couple more days than I thaught. I'll post pics within the week, even if I have to use someone else to do the work..

Didn't take a meterologist to see that one coming...

As I stated previously, I am only in this thread because I thought I might possibly be able to purchase these hinges from you for my Camaro and save myself the trouble of making them from scratch. Unfortunately, even if you produced a working hinge I don't think I would purchase from you because I would expect to get the same run-around if I needed any technical support; or God-forbid, I had a defective part and needed an exchange.

One last piece of business advice before I tune out. It was OK to start a thread asking for opinions and advice, in an effort to tailor a product to the consumers' needs. However, when you start making promises you can't keep you ruin your own credibility. Even if your intentions are legitimate, there is a limit to how long prospective customers will continue to believe and support.

Good luck...

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