quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: Is it monday yet?

someone will be posting them soon, they arent the greatest pics, but its all ya get for now, I will however take some better pics tomorrow... It is just proof that I'm workin on it.

Just through the boards on there in about 10 min. Maybe I'll cut somethin and put it on tomorrow.. This weekend I'll make a final product, this one needs tweaked a little..

pics posted for AJ7

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And there ya go.
I'll pre order 12. How can I become a dealor.

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Nice C-clamps.

Close this thread, this guys a tool.

Yes, I know... looks like crap, cant see much, but it is showing I'm doing something. I cannot post pics of the actual hinge yet because of legal reasons (dont want it stollen, and please dont start an argument on this).

but... it is there... beyond the black fog... lol


this one was just for testing the mechanism, the final product will be done this weekend. It will be the one actually holding weight... this one has tack welds holding it together... maybe I can actually get a video of it sometime... If I can find someone with a camera...


but hey, atleast I met one of my deadlines, right?

edit: almost forgot, let the flaming begin... lol only reason I posted these is because I said I would. I'll post better pics tomorrow.

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quote Originally posted by AJ7: Yes, I know... looks like crap, ... let the flaming begin... lol only reason I posted these is because I said I would. I'll post better pics tomorrow.

It would have been better had you not posted those pics... what you posted does look like crap, you are going to get flamed, and I'm betting the rent that tomorrow's pics, (if there are any) won't look any better.

quote Originally posted by jscott1: It would have been better had you not posted those pics... what you posted does look like crap, you are going to get flamed, and I'm betting the rent that tomorrow's pics, (if there are any) won't look any better.

you guys will all say they dont look better unless you see it on a car, you asked for progress, I show progress... after I make the next one I'll show more progress, then after that, It will be on someones car...

If you wnat it after It is done, you'll buy it.. if you dont... well.. you get the idea. no reason to flame me. But I knew it would happen with the boards, Its all in fun though..

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I dunno guys I think it shows a start. I wouldn't mind seeing it mounted and seeing more details but I'm willing to wait. I'll be watching.

Also, forgot to add those boards are mounted as if it were the top of the door, rather than the bottom/middle. where it will be tomorrow.

Well I've watched this thread a little (not expecting much) and if you actually do have a working prototype, show some pics of that. All I see from those pics are a few boards, bolts and c-clamps. I don't care if you show how it works with some boards, show the prototype itself. You keep telling us about all these new doors and you want us to take you seriously, but then you post "prototype pictures" of a few boards and c-clamps? Do you really believe that anyone is going to take you seriously after that?

quote Originally posted by Silicoan86: Well I've watched this thread a little (not expecting much) and if you actually do have a working prototype, show some pics of that. All I see from those pics are a few boards, bolts and c-clamps. I don't care if you show how it works with some boards, show the prototype itself. You keep telling us about all these new doors and you want us to take you seriously, but then you post "prototype pictures" of a few boards and c-clamps? Do you really believe that anyone is going to take you seriously after that?

posting what I can.

I just spent my $1300 on a multipurpose machine.
I'll be able to make anything...including my own hinges, sorry.

quote Originally posted by Joe Torma: I just spent my $1300 on a multipurpose machine. I'll be able to make anything...including my own hinges, sorry.

cool, if you make one of these, I want to see it. should be interesting..

I, for one, know how long it takes to make something, and I'm not the perfect Fiero vendor, but you should stop posting and get to work!!! Your posts come anywhere 30minutes to 3 hours between...I don't know how you have time for hinges! Dedicate some real time, and get some real progress done on these hinges. I can understand mocking things up with wood, but at least cut out a wooden door shape and show us it works! Save some money, buy some equipment, make some stuff. Don't ask for money before having something to show. Just my 2 bits....not trying to be an arse.

So far, I just don't see how this will do anything:

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WE'VE WAITED THIS LONG FOR THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!
GIVE ME A BREAK. CLIFF????? ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS THREAD????

The shop I work at had a Buick Grand National in for graphics last fall, it had these doors on it. They worked well, and the Buick does not have light doors. So it appears to me that the kits are out there. Reinventing the wheel may be fun, but wouldn't it be a bit more practical to use existing hinge kits and adapt one to a Fiero door. The piece would be already proven functional and hooking it up with a Fiero door would be less expensive and possibly more reliable than one based on plywood.

Ow, ow owie, I just bit my tongue, so I cannot comment further.

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quote Originally posted by 88White3.4GT:

And I raise you one

wow that would work great


if your car looked like this

Edit again:
My apologies AJ...I should know better than to enter someones thread and post junk...I let my frustration show through...Sorry, Bud...

To everyone else frustrated by this thread...Let AJ do his thing. Maybe it'll work, maybe not, but the doubters don't have to ruin it for the rest.

<off box again>

bob

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If you dont want it thats fine, no reason to post a bunch of crap in my thread.

i don't see why cliff would delete your post you have done nothing wrong. honestly the pics you posted do nothing the pictures you posted are of a few boards and c clamps in three different angles. the do not prove or disprove anything. maby a video of it opening and closing would help. now that you have a prototype do like i said earyler take a bunch of pics send them to your self certified mail and dont open them. thats almost as good as a Paton.

quote Originally posted by AJ7: , no reason to post a bunch of crap in my thread.

Why not? that's what you do. That's all your thread is........a bunch of crap

Well just keep working, but if I were you I wouldn't make any more promises (dates and whatnot). If you are really working hard on a product that I may be interested in than I'm happy; if you, for whatever reason don't make anything, than oh well. I'll just be glad I didn't get my hopes up too high.

I still don't see why people are giving you so much crap.

If you don't like the way he is working, than ignore it. Don't bring him down.

i have no problem with him posting but he is asking for money like this is ready to go and its far far far from ready to ship. i would say he is atleast a year from selling to the public these hinges if they work need to be mounted to a car and tested for 6months at least

quote Originally posted by LeviM: Well just keep working, but if I were you I wouldn't make any more promises (dates and whatnot). If you are really working hard on a product that I may be interested in than I'm happy; if you, for whatever reason don't make anything, than oh well. I'll just be glad I didn't get my hopes up too high. I still don't see why people are giving you so much crap. If you don't like the way he is working, than ignore it. Don't bring him down.

I agree. If your just gonna talk bad about it go make a thread in the "the trash can" and let him have this thread to post any progress. I think that it's cool that he is at least attempting to make something for the fiero and is willing to sell it to everyone (which is more than I can say for alot of people myself including). good luck and I hope to see these baby's working soon.

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having an import that can run 11's...is kinda like comming out of the closet....your going to suprise a lot of people....but in the end your still gay

What a passanger would say in nascar "Say man, can I turn on the radio? You should go faster. Why do we gotta keep going in circles? Can I put my feet out the window? Man, you really like Tide...”

Living with a conscience is like driving a car with the brakes on.

quote Originally posted by chrisgtp: i have no problem with him posting but he is asking for money like this is ready to go and its far far far from ready to ship. i would say he is atleast a year from selling to the public these hinges if they work need to be mounted to a car and tested for 6months at least

I'm asking for money? please tell me where I said that.. people asked for a price so I gave it, that is all... already have one person to buy the first kit, if that one doesnt work out there is someone else. first one will be sold and put on a fiero this month. If I make anymore deadlines, I'm keeping them. oh, and why do you say they need to be tested for 6 months? If they wear too much being used the way they are supposed to, I'll replace those parts.. the only reason they would need to be tested is if I didnt know how it was going to wear.. there are ways to figure out what you need to do before testing it. and like I said.. if anything goes wrong with any of the parts, I'll send those parts for free..(within a time frame) ofcourse they will wear, but these arent really for a daily driver, they are for a toy/show car. They should last a long time. There will be a warrenty on them as soon as they are available to you.

quote Originally posted by AJ7: Still looking for someone to buy the first kit, Anyone interested that has the money now? or in 2 weeks.. You dont have to be close, anywhere Is fine, Just would be easier if you were closer.

how about right there. asking if they have money now looks to me as if your asking for money

quote Originally posted by AJ7: I know dammit.. I hate having to rely on people, but thats business also.. but either way, I'm getting it done soon. I do have a welder in my garage.. but its just a little 110 arc welder, and I suck at welding (only did it once) ... should be interesting if I end up having to do it myself for the proto. lol Dont worry, I'll have it done professionally for the product! I'll get pics by wed. at the latest. thats even if I have to find someone else and pay more.. I really am tired of having this happen too. Its like one thing after another... but who ever said it was easy? (and if they do they obviously havent tried it lol)

You needed someone with a welder for that?? Come on get serious. If you are serious, there are ways you can take pictures and video to show a working door without having to expose these 'trade secrets' of yours.

As I have said it before - put your money where your mouth is

It's all vapor ware - it's is obvious that your only goal is to 'talk' about this awesome product that you are building yet show no real proof (a couple of 2x4's is hardly proof). You MAKE a dozen posts about pictures are coming (you know what, just shut up about the 'pictures' coming soon part and just post them, and then finally post some lame ass ones?

All talk and no action - I suggest you just give up now while you are ahead - but if you rather still troll around, then that is your perogitive - I am done waiting for you to get your **** together. Some 'business' this is that you are trying to run.

quote Originally posted by AJ7: looks like alot of people didnt even read my posts.. not unusual. I just threw those boards on there and took pics to meet the deadline. If anyone wants to see some better pics then I'll send them, but I'm not posting anymore to avoid all of this crap in my thread again. btw, thanks for makin that, if you want I can get more angles to make a better one. (with a peice of wood cout out like a door and how it would be mounted) but I really dont have any reason to post proof of this anymore. I will just wait until I have it on a car and can show pics of the hinge..

1) maybe you should read your posts - check out page 5, many places you stated you were waiting to get a welder, then you got someone and you would post pictures of them. Hmmm, sounds like you were finally going to post picture of the real setup not some lame ass 2x4's.

2) you are worried about other posting crap - you are not much better: pictures are coming, pictures are coming, have to waiting on someone else, pictures are coming, here are the pictures (of course this is the abbreviated version).

3) here we are again waiting for the so called hindge to be installed on a car so pictures can be taking (thought that was the whole point of you getting a welder as meantioned on page 5 and that someone was going to 'take them' and install them (see page 4 of your posts).

4) get a life, go away, come back a make a post once you finally have something real to show - some how I am willing to bet that you will continue making useless post of how great these are and how cheap without actually showing the actual real product.

Then there is this post (page 2):

quote Originally posted by AJ7: They have to be exact for it to work right. I dont see a point in making something I cant use. I cant make it out of metal without a machine shop.

...and you come up with lame attempt at making it out of wood??? Get your story straight...

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alot of hostility from u mickey but he is not runing a business. also y bother posting flames just dont view this thread any more its not hard to just skip past it.

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having an import that can run 11's...is kinda like comming out of the closet....your going to suprise a lot of people....but in the end your still gay

What a passanger would say in nascar "Say man, can I turn on the radio? You should go faster. Why do we gotta keep going in circles? Can I put my feet out the window? Man, you really like Tide...”

Living with a conscience is like driving a car with the brakes on.

quote Originally posted by fieropimp: alot of hostility from u mickey but he is not runing a business.

...not sure where you got your infomation, as posted by AJ7 (see page 4) I am not the only one either (read the whole thread) - plus his Lambo doors one.

quote Originally posted by AJ7: I havent been able to find work in this small town I live in so I decided to start a business,...

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awesome. the pics look EXACTLY like the product. wait.....where are the pics again?? don't tell me it's the boards and c-clamps again....

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quote Originally posted by Mickey_Moose: ...not sure where you got your infomation, as posted by AJ7 (see page 4) I am not the only one either (read the whole thread) - plus his Lambo doors one.

uh.. Dude, I'm STARTING a business, Dont have one yet.

oh yeah, It has wood bolted/clamped to it, it is steel.. and it was to test the mechanism, very cheaply, rather than spending money I dont need to spend on an actual product before I know it works for sure, you have to make a prototype to find things that need changed.. if any, there are 2 things that need changed on this one, very simple but there are still things that need changed.. I'd rather have a more realistic Idea of how it works rather than how it could work. Well, guess what.. it works. you guys wanted progress pics like usual, so I got ya somethin..

Mickey_Moose, you said .. " get a life, go away" your the one that keeps flaming me, and your not even going to buy a kit when I make it.. Who needs to get a life? Me or You?

Like stated above, It is easier just to not look at my thread rather than posting your trash in it.

lets see someone else try doing what I'm doing... most likely, you will fail... or just give up.

quote Originally posted by AJ7: lets see someone else try doing what I'm doing... most likely, you will fail... or just give up.

Well put thats kinda wut I was thinkin.

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having an import that can run 11's...is kinda like comming out of the closet....your going to suprise a lot of people....but in the end your still gay

What a passanger would say in nascar "Say man, can I turn on the radio? You should go faster. Why do we gotta keep going in circles? Can I put my feet out the window? Man, you really like Tide...”

Living with a conscience is like driving a car with the brakes on.

quote Originally posted by AJ7: and your not even going to buy a kit when I make it..

...actually I was really considering buying a set - but at the way things are going I would retire well before you bring these to the market. If I didn't care about buying them, I would not even be in this post trying to get you to move your ass.

I will NOT put up money for a product that does not yet exist (sorry all I have is your posts saying that they do), nor do I feel I should have to pay for a product that still needs R&D (I made a eariler post about you sending a set to me, which you seemed to ignore - but I guess you fear I will steal your design and market them myself). I have no real recourse to get any money back should this whole thing fall through (that whole being in another country thing - don't tell me otherwise I know people that have had problems with others in trying to get money back - ended up being a write off).

...so far all I have seen is lots of talk and no product...


BTW, your original post said 'start a business' how can you start a business if you don't have one 9or a plan) sounds like a good ideal to me.

quote Originally posted by AJ7: uh.. Dude, I'm STARTING a business, Dont have one yet.

quote Originally posted by AJ7: lets see someone else try doing what I'm doing... most likely, you will fail... or just give up.

So far, from what I have seen, you have yet to succeed as well. What is shown in these 'pictures' can be easily simulated by anyone here that has a saw, some 2x4's, a hammer and some nails. Show some real functional pictures if you want me (or one else) to buy into what you are trying to sell. That is all that I am asking (maybe too much to ask for?)

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quote Originally posted by AJ7: oh, and why do you say they need to be tested for 6 months? If they wear too much being used the way they are supposed to, I'll replace those parts.. the only reason they would need to be tested is if I didnt know how it was going to wear.. there are ways to figure out what you need to do before testing it.

You cant be that stupid. how are you, from what i can tell at best has a high school education going to take in account the forces at play in this? untill a few days ago you didnt even know what the fiero door weight was!!! there are so many factor's to take in account. have you ever thought about cross force of a 20mpg wind while the door is extended? whats the power consumption of this unit? what happens if your in the car and the batteries dies is there a manual way out? there are skilled mechanical engineers that would still test this design even after it was ran in a computer simulator that calculates stress and other factors. from what i can tell you little to know fabrication skills ,zero mechanical engineering knowledge. I asked you one and im going to ask you again what makes YOU think you are up to this task?

quote Originally posted by chrisgtp: You cant be that stupid. how are you, from what i can tell at best has a high school education going to take in account the forces at play in this? untill a few days ago you didnt even know what the fiero door weight was!!! there are so many factor's to take in account. have you ever thought about cross force of a 20mpg wind while the door is extended? whats the power consumption of this unit? what happens if your in the car and the batteries dies is there a manual way out? there are skilled mechanical engineers that would still test this design even after it was ran in a computer simulator that calculates stress and other factors. from what i can tell you little to know fabrication skills ,zero mechanical engineering knowledge. I asked you one and im going to ask you again what makes YOU think you are up to this task?

I'm not doing anything with those parts of it... I designed it(just how it works), I have 3 engineers helping me with it. It will work just fine. Oh, and the kit I'm making, was designed to hold a door that weighs OVER 100lbs.

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