This is why I decided to make the Lambo kit instead, I can put more work into it myself and make it. You made me think of different ways I could make it. thanks.
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probably not going to like this but, they arent that popular anymore.. they would cost me so much to make and so little profit its almost not worth doing.. I've got the other kit i'm working on right now and it will be done soon..
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Update...
Making the prototype next week, after I get it on my car and test it I'll post pics, but not of the hinge, just what it does!
It might be 2 weeks before its actually on a car, I'm leaving some time for anything that goes wrong (and probably will lol )
Dude just hope you see this to the end.
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Heh heh heh, I betcha you will all be driving around in my Fiero online game before we see these hinges... (talk about rusted code)
(Not that I doubt your ability to make the hinges, I just suggest you stick to making one type of hinge at a time.)
edit: as silly as this may sound, make sure you have a partner to help you with those doors, they are frakkin' HEAVY...and doin' the hinges alone is NO fun...
We don't wanna hear that you sliced yer toes off or something...
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Making the prototype next week, after I get it on my car and test it I'll post pics, but not of the hinge, just what it does!
It might be 2 weeks before its actually on a car, I'm leaving some time for anything that goes wrong (and probably will lol )
ANY UPDATE WITH PHOTOS . has been 3 weeks i watched the last thread and hoped and now i just check back every few months and to see if anything has happened . i'm not holding my breath that is for sure
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ANY UPDATE WITH PHOTOS . has been 3 weeks i watched the last thread and hoped and now i just check back every few months and to see if anything has happened . i'm not holding my breath that is for sure
Actaully, A company may be making them instead of me (maybe these will actually get made/sold this time since they can make them!). But I do have a prototype halfway done... remember I cant give you pics unless I have a patent. That is why no one has seen progress. Hopefully It wont be long before you can buy them.
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PURPLE REIGN Member
Posts: 4080 From: Minnesnowta ------------------ Land of White Gold Registered: Sep 2002
the price was a guess when I started out, I didnt say it would be that, I said it would be around that.
i'm not trying to just make a product and market it, I'm starting a business. Not just lambo hinges, thats already been done... I'm just making them better, butterfly hinges, its been done but i'm sure I can make them better, they will probably be last on the list to make, but this conversion kit and the lambo conversion kit will be first, and atleast 1 if not both will be available by the end of Jan. or 1st part of Feb. depends on the people making them for me. and I didnt promise anything. I've been working at this for a year and anyone that has ever made a product will tell you it takes a long time, and on top of that i have had little money to work with. I am not asking for a down payment for any of them, they will only be forsale when I have them already made and ready to ship out. ( I make these threads so I get feedback/ideas from the people who would buy them, which in turn helps me make a better product.
READ THE LAST LINE !!! I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU make these threads to get feedback and idea on something noone can see touch or even see a drawing of how it will work . where is the feedback going to come from ? why not make this thread AFTER YOU CAN SHOW US ANYTHING AT ALL ?
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Posts: 85 From: London, Canada Registered: Feb 2007
It is possible for him to get feedback, as most of these door systems are already existing on exotic cars, and other systems are available, just not for the Fiero. Thus he can gain feedback on those that would be interested in receiving a kit that can operate in the same manner as the real deals and be available for the Fiero.
Well, after reading through this thread again, man it went to crap.. sorry for the long wait guys.
For an update, I will be testing this week (yes I have a prototype). If everything goes good, I'll have the first set about 1-2 weeks after testing (depending on wether or not the shop can get them made right away =1-2 week). I'll update as soon as I know.
The reason I am positng, Is because I will need one person lined up to buy the first set (see "I'll buy with the first happy customer" in past posts ), I cant just give it away or I would.. but I can lower the price for the first set. If you are interested PM me please. Or you can contact me on AIM(AJz7Camaro) or MSN (z28camaro_777@hotmail.com(also e-mail) And we will work something out.. If anyone in KS would be interested that would make things alot easier.
If anyone is still wondering about the lambo kit, I will still make a kit, but I have to get started on these to fund it. So, soon after.. Also, I might be working out something with fierox for a bolt-on... so they will be bolt-on fiero at a decent price.
I also have 2 other kits besides these. But, I will wait to post about them when I have them ready to sell. I havent really liked not getting any progress either. But, finally!
Thanks,
AJ
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Mar 27th, 2007
PURPLE REIGN Member
Posts: 4080 From: Minnesnowta ------------------ Land of White Gold Registered: Sep 2002
How about a preview pic? Got your patent yet? I want the doors, but being the pseudoengineer that I am, I can't see how it can be bolt-on.
My solution is not easy or bolt on.
How much?
This one is not bolt-on.. I will later try to make it a bolt on, but yes, it is complicated and may need some modification rather than just welding/bolting on.
"How much?" $800-850
I'll get a some pics of it working in a few days, probably by weekend. busy week.. but it wont show the hinge. And the patent will be started (pat. pending) next month.
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Need to see pics of what I would be buying. Feel free to email me, I'll keep em secret.
That is fine. as long as you have cash-in-hand ready to buy. As soon as I get the patent finished I will post pics for everyone else, or whoever buys the first kit can post pics of putting them on the car.
You need to show some evidence that these exist. No one in their right mind is going to fork over some cash for something that may or may not exist. Just my $0.02
Nolan
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Posts: 1177 From: Columbus, OH, USA Registered: Aug 2004
You only need the patent pending status to protect the mechanism. If you take pictures of the door opening from the side, or front three-quarter views no one will be able to see your hinge design.
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You only be the patent pending status to protect the mechanism. If you take pictures of the door opening from the side, or front three-quarter views no one will be able to see your hinge design.
You need to show some evidence that these exist. No one in their right mind is going to fork over some cash for something that may or may not exist. Just my $0.02
Nolan
If they are interested enough they will get proof.
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Songman Member
Posts: 12496 From: Nashville, TN Registered: Aug 2000
Here's a picture of Koenigsegg hinges that a guy took while on a factory tour. They are crazy looking and huge!
Here is what he said about them... "Final picture shows the complex door hinge. The gears create an outward and rotational motion and that’s exactly what the door does when it’s bolted on and opened. It’s all spring loaded and damped and assisted, so it looks and feels effortless."
Another interesting view of a Koenigsegg hinge. Does this look anything like the ones you are building, AJ7? These things are huge! I'll be interested to see how this can be done on a car with as little space as we have in the Fiero.
thanks for the pics, never saw them that close before. and no it is not similar.. but it does fit. it will take about about as much space as a lambo hinge..
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Posts: 1177 From: Columbus, OH, USA Registered: Aug 2004
Originally posted by AJ7: thats what I plan on doing...
If they are interested enough they will get proof.
Don't take this as criticism but, you're kind of cutting your own throat in the American marketplace. I can't speak for other cultures but in this country people are motivated primarily by what they see. There are probably people who have the money and would not hesitate to purchase such a product - but they still respond best to what they see. The main reason your thread is three pages, even given the skepticism some have, is they have SEEN pictures and videos of the actual Koenigsegg doors in action, and that image excites them. Your best sales pitch would be a picture of a Fiero with the hinges on and door up captioned, "who is ready to buy them NOW!"
The corresponding questions would be:
* How much do they cost? * How soon can I have them? * Who do I make the check out to?
That's obviously exaggerated for effect, but the point is there...
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Here's a picture of Koenigsegg hinges that a guy took while on a factory tour. They are crazy looking and huge!
Man those are some beefy hinges!!! Thanks for the pics!
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That is fine. as long as you have cash-in-hand ready to buy. As soon as I get the patent finished I will post pics for everyone else, or whoever buys the first kit can post pics of putting them on the car.
I don't understand...are you just looking for an "investor" to put up the money for the first set?
I just want to see some pics...and I don't want to see legs under an upright door Will be looking forward to them this weekend.
I don't understand...are you just looking for an "investor" to put up the money for the first set?
I just want to see some pics...and I don't want to see legs under an upright door Will be looking forward to them this weekend.
I'm looking for someone to buy the first kit and make sure it works like it should, rather than just my testing. Then if anything is wrong with the kit or needs changed, I'll fix that kit and then make more for other people. That way I dont chance having people mad at me because something doesnt fit right or didnt work how they expected, you will know from whoever gets the kit first.
And I will make sure everything is right before making a quantity of them. With me doing this, wouldnt you feel better about buying a kit from me if someone else says its a good kit that has it on their car? If your interested contact me and we'll work something out.
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Mar 29th, 2007
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Posts: 16228 From: Free America! Registered: Dec 2003
OMG your trying to sell a kit and you dont own a fiero? you got to be shiting me i was watching this post because i thought that maby you would come threw but WOW. you have no idea what your talking about do you? have you ever made anything ever? i would love to see a pic of anything you have made by hand and i dont care if its the bread box you made in high school shop class. from what i can tell your a waste of bandwith.
on a side note im going to start selling kits to put the viper v10 in a fiero so if any one is ready to buy i have thought about it realy hard and i think i can do it. all you need to bring is your car a v10, all hoses and brackets needed for the swap a pre wired harness.(also if you can bring some one who knows what there doing it would be a big help). send pay pal asap. i would show pics but then you would know that im full of **** .
I was trying to stay positive about this, and hoped that your dreams were just a bit bigger than your resources. Now I am also starting to doubt.
* How can you design a hinge for a Fiero if you don't have one? * Where did you get the specs from to design a product for a car that you have no access to? * If you have access to one, why doesn't the owner of that car want the hinges? * How can you post pics of the doors up on one if you don't have one; or have someone involved that owns one? * Why did you present this as if you have already assembled and tested the first prototype and will be taking pictures of that CAR and posting them here soon? * Why didn't you ask for a business partner to help you develop the product?
That's really what you're asking somoene to do. Only your request has an evil twist. Invest in YOUR product. Help you develop YOUR product. They share the burden but reap none of the rewards (profit). For financing YOUR venture, they get a set of hinges that may or may not work on a Fiero, depending on THEIR fabrication skills. Then you will take THEIR hard work and make money with the knowledge gained from it.
Sadly, I can't say that your method won't work because con artists use the same tactics to lure people into scams all the time. I can't say that you're a con artist but I don't understand why you would use their techniques to market a legitimate product.
I am NOT calling you a con artist (yet). I AM saying that you are using their techniques. You may just have a great idea for a design that you are sure will work, and be going about realizing it the wrong way. If so, you need to make some adjustments. Realize yor weaknesses and find help. If you are one, you're not very good cause you create more doubt than hope.
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